Topic: Gov Most Certainly Seized Gox’s Coins (Read 6679 times)

2m a year? Where are you living? That's an old number from the bitcoin wiki.

 They make around 30m - costs. And the costs are usually low, except for the law shit.

Every time I've heard AA interviewed he is spitting blood about how bad Gox was and how it's good Gox is dead.

I don't think MK is on friendly terms with anyone any more.

Everyone trying to help Gox with TM (and I don't remember BC being part of that but...) got exasperated by MK's response and left him to it in the end.

 Gox isn't worth 140,000BTC. It produces $2m profit a year. At 5% ROI that makes them worth $40m, but if it was my money, at that risk level I'd want at least 10% ROI making them worth half that.

Also, our leaders are beholden to Rome or Israel, and these nations contain/control/exploit the drug trade and black market human trade/pr0nography trade so SR irritated them as surely as some new kid on their corner hawking his wares.

Don't compete with Drug Inc.  Well, unless you are a nation yourself.  Any nation could frustrate the righteous ones by opening a SR, let's hope it happens.

"The government certainly didn't steal the coins. With all the things it deals with, why would it bother its ass stealing from us via Mt Gox? "

Same reason it seized the 5 million dollars. To investigate silk road and the 4,000 vendors selling through silk road.

"ongoing investigation"

That's not correct. 

In particular, the FBI has located in a certain
foreign country the server used to host Silk Road's website (the
"Silk Road Web Server"). Pursuant to a Mutual Legal Assistance
Treaty request, an image of the Silk Road Web Server was made on
or about July 23, 2013, and produced thereafter to the FBI.

There was backup server in the US though at JTAN which was revealed mid february.

Silk road server was in  a foreign country and yet it showed:



ICE Homeland security also seized the gox fiat.
IRS probably is interested in the gox tax info.

It could be same gang wanting that stuff of course through japanese authorities - but they most certainly would not refuse that like the Megaupload shit in New Zealand or the Silk Road shit in a yet unknown country.

Correction: RTBC is not an exchange, they are a subscription trading platform of high quality.

imo his 'leaked code' is the real false flag.

but the way law enforcement drags its feet is telling.

I might use some stem cells to make a better goose.

You would eat future eggs from this particular goose?

Not so sure. Google offered $6 Billion for Groupon. If Bitcoin does what the users on this forum think it can do, $.5 billion is a drop in the bucket. This is not just about "making money", but also about knowing where the money is flowing. Why go for the egg when you can have the Goose?

lol, that pastebin
>All who have lost coins must wait, until at least the 1st of April

Yes on April Fools day you can submit your claim to the DEA to recover all the lost coins

I guess you never heard of the Liberty Dollar, or e-gold

I only read the comic strip B.C.  .  Hahaha, they're riding around on stone wheels using the axle as their footpegs.  That's brilliant.

Have you ever heard of the "art" of "fallacy"? Check it!

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/03/12/company-takeovers-using-bitcoin-trending/


IMO, since there were takeovers using more than 140,000BTC we will see 150-250K btc takeover by Blockchain in the next few weeks, and since the biggest company that seems to be in troubles and needs a takeover is MTGox, I think there's high probabilty its MTGox they are buying. Furthermore, blockchain helped MTGox with the fixing of TXID and they know the business well, and they have/had good/friendly relationships.

Yeah, it makes no sense.



If blockchain is to purchase Gox, it will be a temporary transaction, and later Gox will be re-sold to a bigger fish / an already arranged for final buyer.

Let's assume the collapse of Gox was orchestrated a long time before February - March 2014 by the final buyer of Gox. Then it would make sense for Gox to have Baker&McKenzie http://www.bakermckenzie.com/ as their law firm out of the blue. Baker&McKenzie specialize worldwide in mergers&acquisitions and in bankruptcy law.

Baker&McKenzie already represented Gox in a civil dispute with Coinlab back in September 2013 (before the supposed hack and later bankruptcy). Did somebody knew Gox would collapse and married Gox with Baker&McKenzie ahead of time?

It makes no sense to you, but what do you know of black markets?

Black markets are what the world runs on.  It is why the US Army is being puppeted to run the UK's poppy fields in Afghanistan.

Anyway, I have said from the very beginning that the FBI is the first obvious thief here, since they stole from the whole world at Silk Road.  To capture one or two bad guys (sure SR had some shitheads in it making money off fake silver and stuff) and punish 200 innocnets is how they think.  I am not making this up, it's all history and established pattern of conduct.

Like an airplane goes missing.  It's so weird what a piece of shit TV is, ya know?  Like, TV is just the god damned stupidest person in the room, isn't it?

What makes you think law enforcement and IRS would tell you any god damned thing, ever?

The government certainly didn't steal the coins. With all the things it deals with, why would it bother its ass stealing from us via Mt Gox?

It makes no sense whatsoever.

(the first person to mention "fear of bitcoin" will die a horrible death)

why blockchain?

- Does Karpeles want to make us believe to this feds involvement version?
- Sure. As well as Montroll with weexchange scam.
- Have the feds the reasons to hide seizure?
- No.
- Conclusion?
- Obvious.

Which one of you newbee's is the FED spreading FUD??

Many people misapply Occam's Razor in those terms, sadly.  Because, if you think the simplest answers are always the true ones, you are a simpleton.  But I know you are smart, don't get me wrong, you just don't understand.  Occam said "WHEN ALL OTHER THINGS ARE EQUAL then the simplest answer is true"

So, all other things are not equal, so you can't apply his logic tool to this OR AT ALL ANY SITUATIONS IN MODERN LIFE, because rarely are things equal.  Also, Holmes' detective skills are mostly bullshit authoring tricks of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, another propagator of false logic memes.

In this case, if the two sides are "MK stole them himself" versus "MK surrended to the FBI/IRS" then they are obviously NOT equal, since the capture of SR wallets is a huge factor on the one side of the equasion.

So, not all factors are equal, and Occam isn't present at this greedorgy, and the simplest answers remain the bane of the world, because life is not simple.

Thanks,

Looks legit to me...
IMO, blockchain will buy Gox

I call BS on this!

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20jtzm/magicaltux_we_are_working_on_resuming_service/

can you link to the reddit please?

So I can just walk 2 miles to the American embassy in my country with a billboard that says "Uncle sam stole my bitcoins" instead of going to France or Japan?

You are probably correct, given the way Karpeles has been communicating with his customers.



No sane investor would purchase Gox in its current state! It needs to be cleared of debt first.

It might be the case though that MtGox's conditional purchase agreement was already signed (or will soon be signed) and one of the conditions is that Karpeles, before the transfer of shares to the new owner, is obliged to run Gox through civil rehabilitation and get all creditors haircut. If this condition (successful getting rid of debts through civil rehabilitation) is met then the new owner will assume control over drained and ''legally cured'' (protected from your future claims) Gox. We were led to believe Gox has only BTC 2,000 left (recovery plan) in its vaults and we'll get a 99% haircut. We are very sad.

It might be the case that MtGox's conditional purchase agreement provides for the buyer to capitalize Gox with some money, i.e. BTC 50,000 or BTC 100,000 so that we get ''only'' 95% or 80% haircut. We will happilly cheer the new investor / white knight / our saviour / whatnot. We will be very happy.

If this is the case Karpeles will avoid the hook. For all conspiracy fruitcakes: I do not claim that Gox will be purchased and later capitalized with your ''stolen'' / ''disappeared'' / ''unaccounted for'' coins.

where did he say this?

I still believe the bungling dishonest management explanation.

From what I understand, the Silk Road server, even though operating in a foreign jurisdiction, was infiltrated then seized by US Federal law enforcement.

The operator of Megaupload might also beg to differ with you.

The problem biggest problem I have with the theory that the US governement took the coins is motive. There are numerous other issues with this theory, but motive is the one that sticks in the throat most.

Why would they do that? If they allowed the exchange to carry on as a fractional reserve they've achieved nothing. So why do it. Makes no sense to me. But I'm open to explanations.

there is the failing.
the pastebin creator is obviously american and does not understand that karpeles is in japan.. where american authorities cannot seize peoples computer data!

please keep in mind gox is not in the same ball park as the bitinstant ceo who got arrested for having done a personal transaction with an 'alleged' drug dealer.
and as such:
having a trading platform in japan is not where drugs are sold. and trades are done person to person. trading platforms do not have knowledge of peoples purchasing habits(so no DEA involvement)
having a trading platform in japan is not taxable in the united states (so no IRS involvement)
having a trading platform in japan is not a USA national security concern (so no homeland security involvement)

secondly for an authority to seize data they must get the private keys from the offline source. so why would karpeles say it was hacked (a lie anyways) or lost to malleability (another lie) if authorities entered his premises to seize his computer data.

the real truth is karpeles has the coins and is pretending other people have them. he now intends to move ownership of mtgox.com to someone at a hefty price of 740,000+ coin at $650 each (over $480,000,000.)
no sane investor would pay half a billion for a domain name a couple servers and code that is slow. especially wrote in PHP.

but if someone does. then karpeles can take the 740k coins he is hiding, and the commission of selling his domain. and run off to where ever he likes.
just like he done in france a few years back.(the running off after a fraud allegation part i mean)

and if you did not know already, karpeles has a history of fraud, atleast 2 cases have been documented, which prominent people in the foundation know about.

so take your tin foil hats off, trying to blame governments or hackers. karpeles has the funds.

oh and lastly, that database leak. was karpeles again, dumping data and pretending to be a hacker. that way later in court he can blame hackers for the theft and use the leak as evidence that a hack happened.

its the same story as a cop, planting a gun on an unarmed man to shift the blame off himself.

Be good to know more about this comment. I've seen the post on Reddit, but any other light you can shed on this?

Thanks

http://i.imgur.com/rTD2hMg.jpg

context, date, time, complete log please.

This makes the most sense to me. The stories we've been told simply don't add up. However, this fits perfectly with the MO of the banksters that run our prison planet - Problem, reaction, solution.

Let's face it - who's a better at stealing than the US government and masonic hierarchy that its composed of?

http://pastebin.com/JaXBjSg9


Oh, and, today, about an hour ago: " we are working on resuming service, can't say how soon it'll be"