Topic: Grammar 101.. (Read 1794 times)

here it's quite obvious and reading the rest of the sentence just beyond the word rather proves what I mean there lol

I wouldn't expect you to know the date either Phineaus Gage.  I admit I was exaggerating the reason for why I'm misunderstanding the proper context of each word.  I'm sure there is multiple reasons for why I'm having trouble.  I was mostly trying to be funny.

Well it is good to see a good discussion about grammar.  Hopefully I'll be able to get the hang of the issues I'm having with my grammar.  Lots of advice given so I don't think I have much excuse now for not learning much of what confused me.

Well it was London area
A guy who learned me to speak like that was from  Egware.

My english can be horrible at times.  When I am really tired I dont care if I make grammatical errors in the forums or chat rooms.  People tend to think if you have bad grammar your bad at communicating.

I can't really know if it is a typo or not. How do I know that you really know English?

lol I just made a type on the " it is "easier than" rather .... isn't obvious ..... heck you've even wrote correctly a few words later.

Most people I know say 'don't like' instead of dislike. Where were you staying?

English grammar is easier than rather French? This doesn't even make real sense to me. 'English grammar is easier than French.' This could work. This isn't a mistake, nor has anyone ever corrected me on that. There is always a better way of expressing yourself.

Well indeed English grammar is much easier than grammar of many other languages.

This is the reason why so many people speaks English!

If you want to learn really hard gramma - try Polish or Chinese

English is very good language - easy to learn - worldwide - sounds nice
But there are many tricky things that we should be careful

Like for example, when I was in England, I was using words "Don't like" then some UK mate told me, that it would be much better to say "Dislike" as they do not use words "Don't like" so if I want to sounds more British I should use "Dislike"

But this was in Britain so perhaps some other countries where English is in use will tell me something different

It's OK but 'very' instead of 'so' would probably be better, in my opinion.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it better to use "easier than rather" than is so easy compared, it's not false per say, it's poor. I my self don't speak perfect English but I was corrected many times for such a thing by my English teachers especially when it comes to engineering reports or research papers ( I used to get them to proof read if I'm going to post something on an international data base )

I'm also pretty sure that your sentence is correct.

What is the mistake?
I put "English grammar is so easy compared to French" into msWord and there is no indication of a grammar issue.

in the UK, are you taught a second language in high school? or do you wankers just roll with your english? i'm guessing french is probably the second most spoken language, but you guys seem to hate them so who knows.

Not sure what "day" you missed in school, but it's suffice to say that a lot of shit was covered that particular day according to your OP.

Is that the reason why you've already made a grammar mistake?

English is a difficult language to learn. I have props for anyone who has bothered to learn another language (or has just mastered their own language  ).

English grammar is so easy compared to French.

Yes, this makes me always laugh. 
Although I have never mixed your with you're, since I've started learning English. It is so easy. Much easier than ( ) 'then' and 'than'.

My favourite is when somebody says to someone else 'your retarded' haha. It's kicking yourself in the face.

Better than spelling it ur lol.

People tend to mix up 'your' and 'you're' quite often as well. For OP, it's spelled as well not 'aswell'; took me some time to learn this too.

i remembered the other thread about loose or lose  sometimes it confuse me also what to use is it loose or lose
i dont have any problem using to or too usually there is no problem about grammar when it comes to wrting a sentence but the way you spoke with it with another person

Oh yeah I get mixed up with then and than too.

To and too; it's and its; then and than.. and so on. There are many more. These small writing rules are a bit to learn, but once you get the hang of them you're good to go.
You can always use Google when you're stuck.

I can clearly explain how does this and that works )

We have two items :      
♠     -   this one is here
♣     -   and that one is there

isn't?
                            

I think it's just you that gets this and that  mixed up lol.

The only thing I always had problems with is the amount of tenses. In my language there are only 3, we don't use anything similar to perfect.
Like the sentences I saw him. I've seen him. I had seen him.
I know the theory, but even though I've been using English for years It still feels awkward.

No but there are similar to our problems
And some of them are pretty interesting with good explanations.

Is this and that on there? 

Have a look at this article
http://www.glosonblog.com/most-common-grammar-mistakes/

Yeah, those are completely different, but their and there  can be tricky.

This and that aren't confusing.

This and that. These and those. Their and there....

So many things confusing but I still can understand a differences of all of that.

LOL


Yes they're the same.

Two to too, are these words pronounces just exactly the same?

how about these? Their, there they do sound little different?

That's what she said  .

Yes those are both hard.

Oh yes This one is confusing sometimes too

Where were you when we were calling you?
We were outside, we're doing something there (...)

What about we're too? 

What is confusing me sometimes it is : were and where

Where have you been? We were here

Have you been online too long?
The future starts with you, are you up to it?
It takes two miners with two ASICS way too long to make one whole BTC.

There are at least two ways to get where you want to go, unless you go way too far then you might end up lost.
^^^
I think those are correct, but some of my skills are a bit too rusty.

The correct usage of to and too shouldn't be too difficult to master with a little reading. If you can use they're there and their then you should be ok. http://www.grammar-monster.com/easily_confused/too_to.htm

Instead of getting told the rule or looking up the rules for grammar usage the best way to remember and use the word properly you need to do an analysis and figure it out on your own and then use it properly based on your understanding of the rule. That way you will internalize it and use properly. If you can see the pattern and understand the reasoning of the pattern you will then use it properly rather than just remembering the "rule".

When you are ever in doubt about grammar in English it is best to do a collocation of the word or words you are trying to understand in relation to the other words in sentences. Basically you can do a search for sentences with the words and then copy and paste them in excel so that the word you are looking at is in the center cell. Then analyze the position and the words that are around them. From that you can clearly and quickly get the meaning and usage of the word. This is actually how modern dictionaries are created and a lot English language teaching materials and texts are based on this method as well. For example the Collins Cobuild series of dictionaries and http://www.amazon.co.uk/Collins-Cobuild-English-Grammar/dp/0007393644 grammar texts.

So in future you can use Concordances, Collocations and Lexical-based Language Analysis to figure out anything in English you are questioning grammatically.


http://corpus2.byu.edu/glowbe/ <--- World's Largest - Download 1.8 billion words of full-text data for GloWbE, or 440 million words of full-text data for COCA. With this data, you will have the corpora on your computer, rather than having to use the web interface. The data comes in three formats: tables for relational databases, word/lemma/PoS (vertical format), or text (linear format).


http://esl.about.com/od/engilshvocabulary/a/collocations.htm


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Be careful though. Errors are present... and that is how grammar actually changes. As more and more people use the word in the "wrong" way it becomes the standard.

There is absolutely nothing more annoying than seeing people use "your" instead of "you're" or vice-versa. I don't really get annoyed by "to" and "too" unless it completely throws me off what I am reading. Anyway, the first step to correct anything is to identify the problem, so good job on that!

Too: "In addition," "too " (Ex: too good, too many, too late. If there's an adjective after it, it's going to be "too")
To: Direction, purpose (Ex: going to, trying to sleep)

i hate run-ons more than bad spelling. it starts to break my brain when someone rambles on and i don't know where to stop and where to start.

Oh boy I now have to focus when I use the word they're haha which is something I never do.  I've been trying to work on you're and now I'm aware that I've over lookd they're. 

I shutter to think of the mistakes I make day in and day out with my posts.  I'll be sure to add my understandings of the words to, too two so hopefully some of you understand it somewhat better.  At least as much as I understand it haha.

to too two
I'm going to the beach
I live bitcoin too much
but is this correct ? I love bitcoin two ? I use instead as well when in doubt in this case, sometimes grammar is not easy for non English speakers like me as some basic grammar rules contradicts the other language I speak

I never had a problem with to and too, but I can't seem to ever spell their correctly. I never confuse they're, there, and their, but I have to stop and remind myself every time I write the possessive their because my instinct is to always spell it "thier"

worrying about it just seems to continue the confusion and "i before e except after c" does not apply in this case. I guess I could be dyslexic, but that's KO with me!

with the amount of unedited text I read every day, from strangers on forums who may or may not be native English speakers, from auto-correct mangled text-messages, to outright intentionally misspelled phrases like "teh funneh" I stopped worrying about correct usage a long time ago. Any grown man who bitches about spelling and grammar obviously has no penis or testicles.

also-I find many non-native English speakers to actually posses greater and more elegant grammar, spelling, and overall English usage skills than most mono-lingual North Americans. We simply lazy.

I never got this message too. 

Grammar is a beautiful thing. Especially, when using their or there. Like their hand phone is over there on the couch. Simply describes another persons phone is at a certain location.

I use a lot of 'to' and 'too'.

It helps me to translate my Polish thought into English understandable for you and for others too.

Maybe it isn't too good to use those two too much but I like to do it anyway.

Good luck to you and you too

I never got to and too as well. i just use "to". Sometime too will click in my head and I will use it but mainly I use "to" It's to hard for me to understand between the two.

I know how to use their, there, then & than.

I don't know how is best to use the words too vs to and would like some help better understanding how "to" do so.  I feel like I missed a day of English class when all of this was covered in my younger years and it's now time to catch up.   

To my limited understanding I think too should take the place of the word also, or atleast that is how I've come look at it.  I'd like to be more grammatically correct with my words and would like anyone knowledgeable and willing to help me and others that may have the same issues better understand what is right way to use these words. 

This can also be about common mistakes you notice but for now let's try and keep it simple please so that people actually learn something instead of feeling intimated by the intellect or another and don't bother learning anything.  I'm also confused about words that spell check underlines as a word that has been spelled incorrectly.  For example atleast is underlined when I type it out but I think that is how it's spelled, am I incorrect?  Things of this nature is what I'd liked to be discussed, please and thanks for your help in advance..