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Topic: Greenpeace, Ripple Lobby To Move Bitcoin Away From Proof-Of-Work (Read 44 times)

legendary
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Environmental organizations like greenpeace who are calling for bitcoin to switch to proof of stake, are on international terrorist watch lists.

It is sad to see how low Greenpeace is now. They literally against what individuals want, and they want to defend banks, corporations and governments. They are fighting against the people.

This is what proof of stake is about




Let's not forget that Proof of Work is literally staking energy, something out of the blockchain and something that is valuable.
When miners commit their hashrate to a valid block, they are putting all their hardware and energy spent in the process at stake.

And energy is something valuable in our world as we know it. They will literally lose it all if they are adding invalid transactions.

On the other hand, on PoS, the "miner" is staking something from inside the blockchain. Something that its not as useful as energy.

Lol that’s pretty funny. I agree, POS certainly stands for Piece of Shit. I’ve been a supporter of green peace for some time but lately they seem to be a different organization than the one that I came to appreciate. I’m also not sure they truly understand POW and bitcoin nor how much energy is actually used.
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
Well, they managed to fuck up nearly all of the western industry, get us to pay sky-high electricity and heating and gas prices, so why to stop there, the race is on to destroy the food supply with their eco policies that will probably need one ha to grow 10 peas,  and now let's focus on bitcoin, let's destroy this too because ...reasons.

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Bitcoin mining in china utilized a high percentage of state subsidized coal energy. A negative trend which was reversed by china banning BTC mining. The china ban may have done more to further the expansion of environmentally friendly bitcoin mining than any other event in bitcoin's history.

And of course, we have also a bit of stupid propaganda from the other side too, to make things even worse.
Before the Chinese ban, whenever I was telling people that cheap electricity comes from coal, everyone was telling me how all electricity in China comes from hydro, now suddenly it was all coal all along. How the hell is that even possible?

Coinshare study in 2018:
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A cursory look at the combined data leads to an observation which is cannot simply be explained by coincidence: the bulk of Chinese Bitcoin
mining is located in provinces where either wind/ solar curtailment is high, or where total installed hydropower capacity is large.

But suddenly burning coal in Montana or gas in Texas is way greener.
Be it the Bitcoin mining Council or Greenpeace, when you have an agenda the first thing is to lie as much as you can.
legendary
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bitcoindata.science
Environmental organizations like greenpeace who are calling for bitcoin to switch to proof of stake, are on international terrorist watch lists.

It is sad to see how low Greenpeace is now. They literally against what individuals want, and they want to defend banks, corporations and governments. They are fighting against the people.

This is what proof of stake is about




Let's not forget that Proof of Work is literally staking energy, something out of the blockchain and something that is valuable.
When miners commit their hashrate to a valid block, they are putting all their hardware and energy spent in the process at stake.

And energy is something valuable in our world as we know it. They will literally lose it all if they are adding invalid transactions.

On the other hand, on PoS, the "miner" is staking something from inside the blockchain. Something that its not as useful as energy.
member
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my response it.


Okay Dooooo eet.  lets have another fork of bitcoin and call it the Greenpeace moron coin. 

I find it hugely amusing how ignorant Greenpeace is.

and bitcoin continues on ..
legendary
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Climate activists and crypto billionaire Chris Larsen want to convince Bitcoin companies, miners and developers into changing Bitcoin’s consensus mechanism.

Several climate activist groups including Greenpeace and billionaire Ripple co-founder Chris Larsen are launching a campaign to advocate for Bitcoin moving away from Proof-of-Work, a consensus mechanism they argue consumes an unsustainable amount of energy, Bloomberg reported Tuesday.

The “Change the Code, Not the Climate” campaign will attempt to lobby institutions in the Bitcoin industry that pledge an environmental, social, and governance (ESG) agenda, buy ads in leading publications and appeal to communities allegedly suffering from bitcoin miners’ noisy activities to try and convince investors that Bitcoin could use a different consensus protocol that is supposedly both better for the environment and enables a similar degree of security.

The argument, albeit flawed, is not new.

In January, a cohort of U.S. Representatives put the same suggestion forward in a Congressional hearing on bitcoin mining whereby they received two different but complementary responses as to why such a move away from PoW would defeat Bitcoin’s purpose.

John Belizaire, CEO of Soluna Computing and a witness at the January hearing, told Bitcoin Magazine at the time that Bitcoin “can’t take the risk to shift” to Proof-of-Stake (PoS), a consensus mechanism that “may actually undermine what has given [Bitcoin] its strength and growth.” Belizaire added that consensus mechanisms other than PoW “reintroduce the centralized concept of trust.”

Bitcoin miner Bitfury CEO, the former acting comptroller of the currency and a witness at that hearing, Brian Brooks, explained in his statements then that not only it isn’t fitting for policymakers to decide whether Bitcoin represents a “good” use of energy but also that the peer-to-peer monetary system can help the development of the renewable energy economy of the United States.

U.S. Representatives and climate activists still display plenty of misconceptions about Bitcoin and its energy use in their arguments. The House had scheduled the hearing after a cohort of national and international climate-related organizations sent Representatives a letter claiming proof of work (PoW) mining could be hazardous to the world’s climate in the long run.

However, the letter based its arguments on controversial and faulty research, as highlighted by the Bitcoin Policy Institute (BPI) in a fact-checking note it published on January 13. BPI later published another fact sheet to curb possible misinformation being leveraged by the committee in its assessment of Bitcoin’s power usage.

If the “Change the Code, Not the Climate” campaign bases itself on truthful research and factual arguments, it is unlikely to succeed. Castle Island Ventures Partner Nic Carter wrote last year that the opinions of those who don’t understand Bitcoin should not be taken into consideration in the currency’s energy consumption discussion.

Chris Bendiksen, a Bitcoin researcher at CoinShares and according to the Bloomberg report one of the world’s leading experts on bitcoin mining, echoed Belizaire’s comments and said that moving away from PoW would “destroy the security of the protocol.”

Moreover, Greenpeace’s move might stand in stark contrast to the group’s own interests. Alex Gladstein, chief strategy officer at the Human Rights Foundation, tweeted Tuesday about the irony of the climate activist’s move.

“Environmental activists face a high threat of frozen bank accounts and deplatforming,” the tweet reads. “Greenpeace has literally been targeted this way before and will need censorship-resistant fundraising tech again.”

On a different note, to “Change the Code, Not the Climate” requires making a formal code proposal to Bitcoin, not advocating with publication ads, noted the CTO and co-founder of Bitcoin security company Casa, Jameson Lopp, on Twitter.

“Dear @bruneski @chrislarsensf @Greenpeace, I am unable to find your Bitcoin Improvement Proposal submission, nor can I find any discussions initiated by you on the development mailing list,” the tweet says. “Please follow the process if you wish to be taken seriously.”

U.S. Congressman Warren Davidson equaled the campaign to an attempt to ban Bitcoin.

“If you don’t see an attack on Proof-of-Work as an attack on #BTC, you understand neither,” he tweeted. “It’s an attack on the fundamental architecture.”

Pro-Bitcoin U.S. Senator Cynthia Lummis also shared her thoughts on the campaign.

“This is a disingenuous play for federal regulatory capture,” she tweeted. “Don’t fall for it. Let ‘em compete.”

The European Union has recently flirted with similar measures at the government level. The region’s Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs (ECON) touted banning PoW cryptocurrencies altogether earlier this month over claims that the technology could allegedly hurt EU efforts to promote sustainable innovation. The provision, which was part of the Markets in Crypto Assets (MiCA) legislation and sought to force changes on PoW cryptocurrency’s mining mechanisms, was dropped and substituted by another section that added bitcoin mining to the EU sustainable finance taxonomy.

In the U.S., New York Assembly’s Environmental Conservation Committee voted last week to advance legislation that would impose a ban on bitcoin mining, Bloomberg reported. However, it would still need to pass by the entire Assembly and State Senate and be signed by the Governor to become law, per the report.

According to the Bloomberg report, the campaign believes that about 50 key miners, bitcoin exchanges and core developers have the power to change Bitcoin’s code. Similar coordination among key industry players – including miners – happened in 2017 to increase Bitcoin’s block size, another foundational characteristic of Bitcoin, as transaction fees turned expensive as mainstream interest in Bitcoin skyrocketed. The failed attempt that took place nearly five years ago proved that miners and corporations albeit how powerful cannot force changes on the Bitcoin protocol without the support of nodes and end-users.

“I’d put the chance of Bitcoin ever moving to PoS at exactly 0%,” Bendiksen said, per the report.

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/markets/greenpeace-seeks-to-change-bitcoin-code


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Previous research claimed as much as 76% of bitcoin mining uses renewable, environmentally friendly, sources of electricity:

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Report: 76% crypto miners use renewables as part of their energy mix

The use of renewable energy for cryptocurrency mining has seen considerable growth, according to a new report.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/report-76-crypto-miners-use-renewables-as-part-of-their-energy-mix

Bitcoin mining in china utilized a high percentage of state subsidized coal energy. A negative trend which was reversed by china banning BTC mining. The china ban may have done more to further the expansion of environmentally friendly bitcoin mining than any other event in bitcoin's history.

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Environmental organizations like greenpeace who are calling for bitcoin to switch to proof of stake, are on international terrorist watch lists.

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Greenpeace included with neo-Nazis on UK counter-terror list

A counter-terrorism police document distributed to medical staff and teachers as part of anti-extremism briefings included Greenpeace, Peta and other non-violent groups as well as neo-Nazis, the Guardian has learned.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/17/greenpeace-included-with-neo-nazis-on-uk-counter-terror-list

Billionaire ripple, co founder, Chris Larsen also does not have a good reputation in the crypto community, as far as I know.

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