Topic: Group Manufacturing of Lancelot Heavy Duty 400Mhs Mining Board [CLOSED] (Read 5808 times)

Hope blackarrow doesn't mind posting here.

I am auctioning 20 lancelots + PSU + power splitter.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/auction-20-lancelots-from-black-arrow-234957

Good news: It looks that we might ship all group manufacturing 1 or 2 weeks sooner.

Yeah that sucks.. was going to place another order for 20x on the 7th.

Just missed out I guess

I'm sorry to hear you closed the group buy as well. 
I'm am/was patiently waiting for the two that ordered to decide how many more I was going to oder in the group buy.
I wanted some hardware in hand before I decided to commit to spending more money on FPGAs.

Would it hurt to leave the group buy up on the website until the last of us receive our current orders, and we see on the ongoing BFL saga plays out.
Many potential orders might not have been placed because of recent BFL activity leading us to believe our miners were just around the corner. 
Frankly, with the last 'chip' news I will be canceling my BFL order and asking for a refund while they still have money.

Sorry to hear there wasn't enough demand, but kudos for still doing this first batch anyway.

So now we just wait for an email to pay the remaining amount?

Hello everybody!

We have closed the group manufacturing and removed the product from our website. The demand is simply too low for Xilinx to make another group manufacturing for this product.

We will manufacture this batch as promised. Everybody who have placed orders and paid under group manufacturing will receive their orders as scheduled.

Regards!

I think those are just "regular" orders.  The ones from this group manufacturing purchase aren't expected to ship until July (unless something happens and it can happen sooner).

I think many have already shipped

Did we get enough orders to still make this a go at the group manufacturing rates?

They take wire transfers

Is payment only accepted in BTC or is USD accepted as well?

Yes mine reports 5ghs after a hw error but then stabilizes. Is yours showing that all the time?

Im waiting for Kanos clarification.
Can you post a link, im looking for it.

edit: i though this was the original thread. oops
got Kanos verification as a bug,
its 500Mhps max

Awesome.  Looking forward to getting my email to pay the remaining amount. 

Kano explained in the other thread that the variable frequency of the v42 firmware gives incorrect hashing speeds

Do you intent to correct the firmware reporting error, i read its near 500Mhps.
(A sellers is trying to rip off customers using the cgminer stats ie,1Ghps.)
or Do you have a 1Ghps version?

We cannot track your order from here. We have a dedicated sales team who is more than happy to help you. Please reply to the email message received when you placed your order.

Group Manufacturing will close on 31st of May. We have sent few packages to Germany. We are not aware of any issues.

Blackarrow: please confirm I have one on reserve still. The customer service replies were a bit confusing as the 'due date' for the deposit.

How long is group manufacture still open? And how did everything work out with DHL to Germany?




I am honestly biting myself for not ordering before.

Ordered 2 in the group buy.

Keep up the good work Blackarrow  

Don't keep them in your cart, complete the order (Checkout), select bitcoin as your payment method, and the team will email you with an address to pay to.

Yep. 

And now we wait

Sent payment for my order tonight.

I'm in if you do another order was thinking of getting up to two GPUs on May 30th may consider 1-2 of these.  Don't have the cash until the end of the month.

No worries, I understand.  Just wishful thinking. 

The price is not likely to go lower. We had to purchase a lot of FPGAs from our own money to reach the quantity required for the minimum order.

We have a dedicated sales team which are happy to answer all your questions. To ask us something, please reply to any email you've received from our company or to the order confirmation email.

You'll receive an email with the payment details.  I received my email not very long after placing my order.

I have just put lancelot to my cart and wait for the email? I just put 3 of them. How to can I pay the half? Sorry for me english

Just placed my group manufacturing order.  Hopefully we will get enough orders to drive the price down even lower.

You might want to visit https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=187549.500 if you are talking about regular order batches.

But from what I can gather if you just placed an order, it will be in batch #4.

How can I determine if my order is in batch #3?
The order was placed on Friday, May 17

Damn, thought you had another batch of regular orders coming through.

Not that it matters though, I've ordered mine through this round of group orders already.

We have been unable to find more Spartan 6 on the market this week so the situation looks quite grim.

We have already sold all batch 3 of regular orders (shipping next week).

Unless we are able to find more Spartan 6, batch 4 of regular orders will be shipped at the same time with group manufacturing orders: 17th of July.

So, if you want to buy Lancelot you will get a better deal and will secure your order if you join the group manufacturing now.

Ah, thanks.  I was wondering if they really were "in stock" for immediate shipping or not.

I wish the "in stock" was accurate - it said this last week when i placed an order (non-groupbuy) and was subsequently told I'd be notified when the boards were available.
Perhaps ordering reserves a place in the queue.

They really should fix that...

Reading from other threads their next batch for non group buys are coming through 27th May, so not "in-stock".

are there any lancelots left for next day shipping? on cardreaderfactory shows both groupbuy and non-groupbuy "in stock". in non-groupbuy is no further information about delays in shipping.

Order here: www.cardreaderfactory.com/shop/lancelot-group-manufacturing.html
We will close the orders early this week.

I need 10 to 20, can you please pm me the details and delivery date? next week delivered, is that possible?

We'll email you Monday.

So if we order these today, when will we be notified that enough group orders have been placed? Any estimated time?

I placed an order. Waiting on the bitcoin address.

Get em people before I grab 20 more

Yes.

Is ordering still open for batch 1?

Hi!

Group manufacturing is on. We have placed the order with Xilinx and will ship the boards on or before 17 July.

I should be getting 20 soon.

Blackarrow,

How many did you get in the current round for group manufacture?

Curious to see how many others have taken up on it.

this mean that fpga are bad, and should not be used for mining

I'm already in with 20

subscribing

I'm sure these fpgas can be ebayed too

I think people are blinded of asics, these chips and cards are cards that can be reused for other things, the fpga is an rather powerful one for that price.

If it's to expensive, one can consider if waiting forever for asics are expensive or not, atleast, with either fpga (that uses less power, etc) or gpu (that uses lot of power) should be used while playing the waiting game on asics.

Asics are there, but not readily available, for still some time..

Please have a look here: http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?x=0&y=0&lang=en&site=us&KeyWords=XC6SLX150-2FGG484C

We need 2 of these IC to manufacture one Lancelot.

Good idea. I'm sure people will be in once people like me receive the older batch.

Half of that is the actual price of the chips.

$269 is tooo expensive, even half of that is still expensive

We are unable to do that. Current FPGAs on the market are _very_ expensive. The suppliers that stock them decided to up the price with 25-40%. These market conditions are hostile, therefore the only way to bring the prices down is to buy from Xilinx. For this reason we set up this group manufacturing. Depending on how many orders there are we might lower the price but I cannot promise anything until we sign something with Xilinx.

Regards!

blackarrow,

I have ordered 10 units from you and I'm happy with the 5 I've received so far. However, it seems to me that if you are trying to break a price threshold you should offer an incentive for people to buy more units in bulk.

Why not offer a discount if they purchase a minimum of 5? And an even bigger discount for 10, etc...

Ie, I'd be interested in ordering 20 or more if the price would come down to $220 per unit, etc.

Note: This product requires a power supply. Please order it separately.

Yes, we'll do something like that.

The description says that you include a power cable but there is no picture. Is it compatible with the ATX power Supply (that can be purchased with some optional cables), or it is something for molex?

Btw 9 weeks is a long time, if you offer some sort of buy-back for some Asics I'm in

There are multiple thresholds:
1. the minimum order (not known yet) - aka "deal is on" so we can make them at $269.
2. further discount (if we exceed a certain price break tresholds) - this is the threshold I was referring to

If the "deal is not on" the customer can choose to get the money back wait more until we get enough orders.
If the deal is on but we did not get further discounts from Xilinx, we'll have to make them at 269.

If a customer makes a 50% down payment and you don't break the "price threshold" within a certain time frame by the May 19th deadline, does the customer get a full refund?

The group buy page says $269 each:
http://www.cardreaderfactory.com/shop/lancelot-group-manufacturing.html

In that case, what price point are we looking at?

Hello Everybody!

Update: The Group Manufacturing is now closed

Our company had to refuse few people and group purchases placing big orders. However, as we are trying hard to make everybody happy we would like to try address this segment of the market.

What is Group Manufacturing?

The main problem with manufacturing Lancelot is that the Spartan 6 FPGA that we use is not immediately available. Xilinx (the manufacturer of these chips) is making them on order - 8 weeks delay. You'll notice that normal purchase of this Lancelot board is slow and there's a queue. The reason is that no company that has this IC in stock is selling at a price that makes it affordable for mining.
 
The FPGAs are very expensive and they make up for around 70% of the price device. We cannot afford to buy so many ICs without ensuring that we have customers to deliver them to. For this reason we came up with the concept of group manufacturing.

The concept of group manufacturing is similar with how groupon works: We gather all the people interested in purchasing large quantities of this device. Then we place the order with Xilinx and pay an advance for the FPGAs and, 8 weeks later when we receive the chips we pay the rest.

In order for this to work we will need the customers to:
- Pay 50% of the order upfront and 50% of the payment 1 week before your order is ready to be shipped. We plan to manufacture these in batches every 2 weeks (place an order with Xilinx every 2 weeks). If we have enough orders we might make them weekly.
- Understand and agree that there will be no refund of the advance payment if the deal is on (we've paid the money to Xilinx); however we will give the customer 1 Xilinx FPGA for each device canceled if he agrees to pay the shipping fee to get them.
- Understand and agree that no returns will be accepted.

If the amount of orders breaks Xilinx's price break threshold and we get a better price, we will reflect this in the price for the batch therefore you'll get a cheaper device.

Your payment has to be cleared by the deadline or your order will not be included in the batch.

What is Lancelot?
Details can be found on this page: http://www.cardreaderfactory.com/shop/lancelot-group-manufacturing.html

Where to order
Place your order here: http://www.cardreaderfactory.com/shop/lancelot-group-manufacturing.html