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Quote from: stompix on October 03, 2024, 09:39:31 PM

Quote from: tottong on October 01, 2024, 08:21:22 PM

Investing in bitcoin is not always about the amount but how we can be consistent in investing.

This is a stupid take, consistency in investing also results in a final amount, and even DCA would of course be influenced by the amount poured in, Do you think DCA with $20 a day would beat somebody buying 10 million now?
You will need 14 years of constant DCA at those sums and a 10 times better average buy price to beat the profits of a guy buying coins right now, so good luck with that!

It's not about who will run faster but who can take advantage of the conditions even though their finances are very limited.
Of course having stable finances and being able to buy 10 million in minutes would be better, but do people who don't have a good financial structure have no chance of getting involved in investing.
We are not talking about beating anyone in terms of investment because the most important thing is that involvement in bitcoin can provide opportunities for anyone to improve their finances to be better.

Regarding speed because there is no large capital support, we can run according to our abilities, when it is consistently run using the DCA method, then be sure that the assets collected will slowly continue to grow.

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Well if right now im 43 years old and i have lets say 15 million usd worth of bitcoin, would i have to continue working as a bricklayer until at least 62 years to retire and collect social security monthly benefits or could right now i do something with 15 million usd worth of bitcoin as to quit my day job and not have to go to work anymore? What are my options then if some financial advisors have told me that i have several options such as real estate because renting is profitable, investing in crypto stocks, or dividend stocks, ect... what could i do with 15 million usd worth of bitcoin as to not do more backbreaking labor?

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.? Would this be feasibly possible or not? How could this much bitcoin be put to work? What kind of investsments will allow this?

You have 13/14 million dollars and you still I thinking as how a newbie will be thinking. How did you get the money because anyone that gets that money through hardwork won't ask questions like this as he would had learnt that it isn't the exponential increase that makes you rich but the slow increase. With such money you don't need to look for quick profit investment but those that are going to be around for long and not take your money from you. Having those money in Bitcoin and to continue to hodl despite the conditions of the market, it'll grow your money slowly and long lasting and that's the best way to preserve wealth. I won't touch the money and continues to work while I wait for my investment to give me a better profits. Again I'll say don't go for the exponential growth but go for the steady growth. You can diversify your investments too.

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Quote from: stompix on October 03, 2024, 09:39:31 PM

Quote from: tottong on October 01, 2024, 08:21:22 PM

Investing in bitcoin is not always about the amount but how we can be consistent in investing.

This is a stupid take, consistency in investing also results in a final amount, and even DCA would of course be influenced by the amount poured in, Do you think DCA with $20 a day would beat somebody buying 10 million now?
You will need 14 years of constant DCA at those sums and a 10 times better average buy price to beat the profits of a guy buying coins right now, so good luck with that!

It boils down to what a person would like to reach - sure, I do agree with your take that if you invest once in BTC for $10M, it would be more profitable in the long run, however, not everybody has such and even lower capital for that Grin

People need to start from something, and doing it in a lump is not a good decision overall, but not a bad one if we are talking about Bitcoin.
DCA is for your investment to not suffer that much from volatility, however, some people do it in lumps - and they are too in profit, though I didn't compare the two seriously. As you said, it depends on the volume you are willing to use.

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Quote from: tottong on October 01, 2024, 08:21:22 PM

Investing in bitcoin is not always about the amount but how we can be consistent in investing.

This is a stupid take, consistency in investing also results in a final amount, and even DCA would of course be influenced by the amount poured in, Do you think DCA with $20 a day would beat somebody buying 10 million now?
You will need 14 years of constant DCA at those sums and a 10 times better average buy price to beat the profits of a guy buying coins right now, so good luck with that!

Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 30, 2024, 06:13:27 PM

Then what is this person saying about making several millions worth of bitcoin grow exponentially,

https://www.quora.com/If-someone-is-only-43-years-old-and-has-14-million-usd-what-kind-of-investments-will-allow-them-at-this-age-to-never-have-to-go-back-to-work-at-this-age-How-can-they-make-14-million-usd-grow-exponentially-and-thru/answer/Kovini-Moodley?ch=10&oid=1477743816973664&share=9d6d032c&srid=nPbjD&target_type=answer

That "person" is using Chatgpt to write articles on Quora for pennies and to attract gullible investors to her "courses".
Do you really think someone who knows how to 10x their capital in a few years beating any investment funds is giving advice for free?

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.? Would this be feasibly possible or not? How could this much bitcoin be put to work? What kind of investsments will allow this?

I'm not really sure what you're asking here. First off with any investment there are not guarantees. So if you were to put 13-14 million dollars in to bitcoin say today, and say by the time you were done investing and buying all that bitcoin, the price of bitcoin could have fallen to say 12 million and then over the next few years that price drops even further to say 10 million. You just never know. This is not the type of "investment" for guaranteed growth or even remotely close.

To minimize losses, one can venture in real-estate. Do remember that market price of real-estate tends to increase thru the years. It is quite a risk if you will venture only in crypto as the volatility is still high. Try to diversify your portfolio with tangible assets as this will have lesser risk to take.

People have the notion that when they invested in btc, they can easily grow this exponentially for short period of time. But then, once they are here, they will realize that it is not what it seems to be.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.? Would this be feasibly possible or not? How could this much bitcoin be put to work? What kind of investsments will allow this?

I'm not really sure what you're asking here. First off with any investment there are not guarantees. So if you were to put 13-14 million dollars in to bitcoin say today, and say by the time you were done investing and buying all that bitcoin, the price of bitcoin could have fallen to say 12 million and then over the next few years that price drops even further to say 10 million. You just never know. This is not the type of "investment" for guaranteed growth or even remotely close.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.? Would this be feasibly possible or not? How could this much bitcoin be put to work? What kind of investsments will allow this?

Any money already in Bitcoin is Bitcoin, it is already invested, what remains is the timing on when to sell and take profit, some will hold for a year while some will what to hold for many more years.

The future growth depends on how long you plan to hold, 10x is still possible with Bitcoin but you will have to hold for the long term, there is no long term holder that isn't doing so well today, you only need to safeguard your private key.

As per the past history of Bitcoin, holding is proven to be the best technique thus far.

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If you have many Bitcoin from a long time ago, you will see the profit grow in your wallet. That profit will be grow more in the future following the Bitcoin price especially when Bitcoin price can increase to the highest price. People who bought Bitcoin from a long time never expected to see that huge profit so they can sell their Bitcoin and enjoy the money.

Let say you have 210-215 Bitcoin, you will see that $13-14 million according to the Bitcoin price now. So I assume that you have 215 Bitcoin in your hand as you say $13-$14 million. But you will not have that huge money if you don't sell your Bitcoin. That profit will be increase in the future following the Bitcoin price.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.? Would this be feasibly possible or not? How could this much bitcoin be put to work? What kind of investsments will allow this?

Bitcoin is considered capable of increasing a person's finances when they consistently invest, but many people fail to understand that capital will adjust its profits.
The advantage of bitcoin is that you don't need to put capital once in accumulation because you can see buying opportunities in profitable periods and for routine purchases you can use the DCA pattern.
Bitcoin has grown since it was first created and even at first almost most people doubted it, but now we can see its development.

Investing in bitcoin is not always about the amount but how we can be consistent in investing.
If you believe that bitcoin can raise awareness in achieving financial freedom, then do it responsibly.

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Quote from: Finestream on October 01, 2024, 04:29:20 PM

Holding your bitcoin for quite a long period will already guarantee its future growth. You don't have to invest your bitcoin anymore, because hodling alone will bring you massive profits in time. However, if you wish to convert some of your bitcoin to altcoins, that could also be, but altcoins are even more risky than bitcoin most especially if you end up with wrong coins, so just stay hodling your bitcoin as long as possible.

There are quite different sections in the market, we have the trading and investment sector, key basis to follow up the current days of the system. Bitcoin is mostly volatile when it comes to the up and down movement of the market. We totally understand how bitcoin operates and it's no longer a new thing, for those traders and investors that are acquainted with the modern day cryptocurrency. Holding requires more patience, we just have to make sure there's enough back up plans for us and staying out of risky. Holding is very important in the current days of trading and investment in the crypto space.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.? Would this be feasibly possible or not? How could this much bitcoin be put to work? What kind of investsments will allow this?

Holding your bitcoin for quite a long period will already guarantee its future growth. You don't have to invest your bitcoin anymore, because hodling alone will bring you massive profits in time. However, if you wish to convert some of your bitcoin to altcoins, that could also be, but altcoins are even more risky than bitcoin most especially if you end up with wrong coins, so just stay hodling your bitcoin as long as possible.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.? Would this be feasibly possible or not? How could this much bitcoin be put to work? What kind of investsments will allow this?

Assuming bitcoin this was 2014, it is possible for you to achieve 10x of the money that you invested because at 2014, bitcoin price was in the range of $400-$500. As time passes on and more people adopting bitcoin, the volatility in bitcoin is reducing and it is not as high as it was in the beginning making it impossible for you to invest now and expect 10x profit in ten years.

Ten years from now we will only have completed two circles and half which makes me think that making 10x profit is impossible. The only way that you might get close to 10x profit is maybe you invest and hodli for 30 years, and you don't just lump sum all in one but it will be better if you share the money into three parts. Use one part to lump sum right away, use the second part to DCA by spreading it out gradually overtime and the last part to always buy more bitcoin during the dip.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

If you only want to invest for a couple of years, then i would recommend moving to another altcoin with a nice future, that way your investment would grow faster.

Your suggestions make sense. I totally agree with you. At the same time I wanna add something.

He can move bitcoin to alts but it is high risky though we know that high risk means high reward. But at this moment, he can maintain some strategies. For example, he can invest a portion of his portfolio to the alts. Then it will be a safe game I think!!!

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.? Would this be feasibly possible or not? How could this much bitcoin be put to work? What kind of investsments will allow this?

You don't need to invest that money, the fact that it's already in bitcoin you already have an investment that could grow as crazy. 10 years ago Bitcoin was at $400 when i started using it, and now is at $63000, so, we are talking about something bigger than x100 but the hard part is to hold for a long period of time, if you can do that, then you will find success in your investment.

If you only want to invest for a couple of years, then i would recommend moving to another altcoin with a nice future, that way your investment would grow faster.

Well spoken, Bitcoin is already an investment opportunity, holding it means you're investing already. So you don't need to invest an already running investment into something else. Allow your Bitcoin investment to run for a long term, let's say 4-10 years or more depending on your holding capacity. I believe you'll be glad and proud of yourself in years time if you take this advise.

You need a thick skin though to invest for a long term, the volatility of the markets can be annoying sometimes, the short-term gains can trigger greed and early selloffs, but remaining steadfast in your investment for a longer timeframe would definitely bring huge profits

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.? Would this be feasibly possible or not? How could this much bitcoin be put to work? What kind of investsments will allow this?

If it is possible, it requires a very positive extraordinary event that makes market sentiment positive for months and it would not be funny if the market continues to rise and never corrects again.

Maybe I refer to the advice and opinion given by our senior @Don Pedro Dinero that it is true that it is most likely to grow in value 3 or even 4 times and that is already in the extraordinary category.

In general, investment in BTC must be long-term, no matter how much the nominal amount invested by anyone means that it will never grow exponentially, say if we target only 1 or 2 years due to various factors that generally have a direct effect on BTC price movements.

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on October 01, 2024, 08:54:30 AM

Well, the point is that if you want to make x10 in two years, with bitcoin I think it's unlikely you will. The normal scenario is that it will make x3 at most or in a total bullish scenario x4.

In any case, a x10 in two years is not realistic because it is a 500% annual return and that can only be achieved by betting (even if it is on financial assets).

Between two market cycles, we can get different ROIs with same exit, assumes the exit is ATH of a new cycle. Depends on the entry, like bottom of a bear market or ATH of a previous cycle, we will have two ROIs.

ROI for ATH of past cycle to ATH of this cycle will be certainly lower than ROI of bottom price to ATH of this cycle. It is hard to find bottom price and time the market to get its bottom, so dollar cost averaging will be most helpful.

Look at this chart for some examples.

Bitcoin price history, ATHs and bottoms.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on September 30, 2024, 09:00:23 AM

You don't need to invest that money, the fact that it's already in bitcoin you already have an investment that could grow as crazy. 10 years ago Bitcoin was at $400 when i started using it, and now is at $63000, so, we are talking about something bigger than x100 but the hard part is to hold for a long period of time, if you can do that, then you will find success in your investment.

If you only want to invest for a couple of years, then i would recommend moving to another altcoin with a nice future, that way your investment would grow faster.

Well, the point is that if you want to make x10 in two years, with bitcoin I think it's unlikely you will. The normal scenario is that it will make x3 at most or in a total bullish scenario x4.

In any case, a x10 in two years is not realistic because it is a 500% annual return and that can only be achieved by betting (even if it is on financial assets).

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on October 01, 2024, 05:48:13 AM

There are more risky methods like staking but I dont recommend them. Investing in companies that are legitimately doing some work is also a good thing, but options are limited.

Bitcoin is Proof of Work and no way to stake Bitcoin if you don't purchase Wrapped Bitcoin tokens and use them for staking. Staking can help to get staking reward but there is big risk, that these tokens will lose pegs to Bitcoin price and sum of your initial capital and earning from staking suddenly becomes zero in value.

I would like to simply hold my bitcoin, wait for price growth than taking too much risk with Wrapped Bitcoin tokens and staking programs with a worst terrible ending, is losing all money.

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It is best if you divide that capital into bitcoin and some traditional assets, the latter are not bad on the contrary to what members of this forum might think.

In cryptocurrency market, I will decentralized my fund to Bitcoin and Ethereum. For traditional asset, maybe only real estate, one for my home, one for Airbnb, not more. Gold is not in my consideration because gold can not compare to Bitcoin in ROI.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.?

Dont know about the US cuz the world is way bigger than that, but holding bitcoin works if you buy it at the lower price. Consider investing that much amount of money when bitcoin was $1000 and see how much you could have profited over the years.

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Would this be feasibly possible or not? How could this much bitcoin be put to work? What kind of investsments will allow this?

Mostly long term holding. There are more risky methods like staking but I dont recommend them. Investing in companies that are legitimately doing some work is also a good thing, but options are limited.

It is best if you divide that capital into bitcoin and some traditional assets, the latter are not bad on the contrary to what members of this forum might think.

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If you check the Bitcoin history, you will see that Bitcoin grow exponentially from time to time. That amazes many people so that makes them start to buy Bitcoin. If you already buy Bitcoin when the price is at $20k or $40k, you now see your profit and that still growing while you will see the big profit will come to you when the bull run come.

But to make that big profit, you need to have patience because we don't know when the bull run come. Or you can selects altcoin that have potential to increase in the future. Many altcoin can give a big profit for some time but you will confuse to select the right altcoin. So that is why we suggest you to invest in Bitcoin.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.? Would this be feasibly possible or not? How could this much bitcoin be put to work? What kind of investsments will allow this?

1.Do you own 13-14 million USD worth of Bitcoins? Can you provide any proof that you actually own 13-14 million USD worth of BTC?
2.Seeking financial advice in a forum seems kinda dumb, don't you think? Why don't you try to find an accountant or a financial expert with a good background and experience.
3.10x growth over a couple of years seems a little bit too much. Aren't you a little bit greedy? Only a financial genius could achieve this.

I was quite surprised and a little skeptical that someone with such a large fortune would seek investment advice on the Internet. I dare say: if I or anyone on this forum had a lot of money and needed investment advice, I would definitely turn to a financial advisor or my rich friends, not social media.

What is even more strange is that a person with assets that could be considered a millionaire cannot come up with an investment plan and calculate the risks and returns they can achieve. It seems like OP didn't even take the time to learn about bitcoin because if he had knowledge about it he could have answered his own question before deciding to invest in bitcoin.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 30, 2024, 06:13:27 PM

https://www.quora.com/If-someone-is-only-43-years-old-and-has-14-million-usd-what-kind-of-investments-will-allow-them-at-this-age-to-never-have-to-go-back-to-work-at-this-age-How-can-they-make-14-million-usd-grow-exponentially-and-thru/answer/Kovini-Moodley?ch=10&oid=1477743816973664&share=9d6d032c&srid=nPbjD&target_type=answer

I'm not someone who listen to random strangers, can't say she was wrong, but she talk too board.

There's always someone who can make crazy amount of money from these assets, but it could be only 1%, while 10% make a good amount of money and rest of them earn average or loss.

She said "use a good strategy" and she didn't even mention what strategy it is. Investing require like 10 years to earn 10x, since you're looking to earn 10x in a couple years, trading is the answer.

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With 14 million USD you diversify into different investment sectors and gain significant rise which will cause you not to work again rather sit back and receive profits from what you have invested in for example real estate cryptocurrences stocks and dividends. In crypto you don't have to get up in the morning dress up and go to work even in real estate all does needed to do is identify the right opportunity on the market and capitalize on it for example now bitcoin is on the rise with the bull run happening you can get a good amount of coins now for $65k each and use a good strategy in generating profits from them daily same technique applies to real estate as owning properties and rentals is very profitable.

Look, if you "always right" guessing the bottom and the peak, you will earn a lot of money with swing trade.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 30, 2024, 06:13:27 PM

Then what is this person saying about making several millions worth of bitcoin grow exponentially,

https://www.quora.com/If-someone-is-only-43-years-old-and-has-14-million-usd-what-kind-of-investments-will-allow-them-at-this-age-to-never-have-to-go-back-to-work-at-this-age-How-can-they-make-14-million-usd-grow-exponentially-and-thru/answer/Kovini-Moodley?ch=10&oid=1477743816973664&share=9d6d032c&srid=nPbjD&target_type=answer

The person who responded to the Quora discussion gave his personal opinion, and it could be realizable or otherwise. Investing such an amount in Bitcoin is not a bad idea because, historically, Bitcoin has proved to be a profitable investment. But you should also be willing to take the risk since highly profitable assets can also lead to high losses. Before you put your money into any investment, it is important to do your research. Don't just believe any random post you see on the internet because most of them emanate from mere speculations.

Quote from: kingvirtus09 on October 01, 2024, 02:54:04 AM

With that amount of money, in my opinion, it is better to allocate the majority of it to the top altcoins in my suggestion. Even if we say that you will hold it for 5 years or 10 years, it is better to divide it into different investments in the crypto space.

That's why if you read in other sections or other articles that they say don't put all your eggs in one basket, so that at least you have another basket full of eggs that you can hope to turn around for your eggs increased again.

The risk associated with keeping altcoins for four to five years is massive. Many of these coins end up becoming worthless. Bitcoin is the best option for long-term investment. It will be better to diversify into non-crypto assets than putting all the money in the same market.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.? Would this be feasibly possible or not? How could this much bitcoin be put to work? What kind of investments will allow this?

With that amount of money, in my opinion, it is better to allocate the majority of it to the top altcoins in my suggestion. Even if we say that you will hold it for 5 years or 10 years, it is better to divide it into different investments in the crypto space.

That's why if you read in other sections or other articles that they say don't put all your eggs in one basket, so that at least you have another basket full of eggs that you can hope to turn around for your eggs increased again.

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If you want to hit the right spot and try to multiply your Money, the best thing you can do is diversify the Portfolio. Turning a dozen Million Dollars into a HUNDRED is not something anybody is capable of doing. Even by diversifying your Portfolio, you are not ensured that your Net Worth becomes the 10th part of a Billion in a few years. Nobody has the key to unlocking that success, it is a matter of risk, beliefs, opportunities and vision.

Anyway. With out building a highly successful business, it is wild to think about making this much Money in a matter of years. If I made a couple Million Dollars worth of Bitcoin but did not know what to do with it, I would make sure my life is set as in making sure I have a decent home, a reliable car, enough Money to live for at least a couple decades and for my family / children and then I would maybe keep half of it or two thirds in Bitcoin and invest the rest in other things ONLY after thoroughly researching and discovering opportunities. With that amount of Money, you can settle for life and then making Money becomes just a hobby.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.? Would this be feasibly possible or not? How could this much bitcoin be put to work? What kind of investsments will allow this?

If you want to achieve a X10 growth in bitcoin investment, you have to wait over few decades because the growth rate of bitcoin may not be that massive. I don't even support putting such a high target for bitcoin at this stage to avoid setting unrealistic targets that might lead to some form of regrets. Another problem with setting this kind of big target is that when you realized it is not feasible, you will be tempted to go for cryptocurrencies you feel can pump that much thereby exposing your money to risk that can make them evaporate. My recommendation is to either buy bitcoin and hold using the DCA method or lump sum buy. This is the best you can do for now.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.? Would this be feasibly possible or not? How could this much bitcoin be put to work? What kind of investsments will allow this?

1.Do you own 13-14 million USD worth of Bitcoins? Can you provide any proof that you actually own 13-14 million USD worth of BTC?
2.Seeking financial advice in a forum seems kinda dumb, don't you think? Why don't you try to find an accountant or a financial expert with a good background and experience.
3.10x growth over a couple of years seems a little bit too much. Aren't you a little bit greedy? Only a financial genius could achieve this.
4.What do you mean by "putting the Bitcoin to work"? You can't buy stocks or real estate with BTC. You could lend the BTC to borrowers, but I don't recommend this and you definitely won't make 10x out of such investment.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.? Would this be feasibly possible or not? How could this much bitcoin be put to work? What kind of investsments will allow this?

Turning $13-14 million in Bitcoin into a 10x return over a few years is ambitious, but not impossible. Bitcoin has seen periods of extreme growth in the past, particularly especially when there is big event like halvings. There are some projections that said Bitcoin could reach between $130,000 and $280,000 in the next few years. However, such growth is speculative, and as the price of Bitcoin surges, it can also become very volatile. Diversification into other Invesment both crypto and non crypto might be a better chance of returns over a longer period. As the old saying in investment, high gain comes with high risk.

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Quote from: Wexnident on September 30, 2024, 04:47:12 PM

Hmm, 10x is actually pretty small IF it was the past. These days I'd assume that Bitcoin growth is going to decrease exponentially compared to the past, so the 1000x you'd see in the past would go down to 100x, 10x down to 2x and lower even. It is for a couple of years but I don't think it'd be feasible at all with the market (unless we see a 10x the next year, which I highly doubt) so you might need to short every now and then and try to maximize the small pumps/dumps of the market.

As for investing Bitcoin itself, no I don't think a 10x is possible at all. It's already a risk in itself so I don't think you need to go beyond that, not to mention I don't think it can even be used to invest on a market stock/asset.

I agree with you that that bitcoin price over the years has been reducing its volatility rate which means that the excessive increase enjoyed in the past is no longer going to be the case here again. If we look at the pumps even after halvings in the past you will easily see 10x movement but not now, the bitcoin community or holders to me are now too diluted that it volatility is and will continue to reduce but those that means there is no chance that the bitcoin price wouldn’t move 10x from its current position? I will say the possibility is a 50% chance but that depends on the holders holding time.

If OP is actually looking for bitcoin to increase 10x in the next 10 to 15 years I will say it will be highly unlikely ti happens. But say a longer time like 30 plus years then I will say yes bitcoin with its current adoption rate has that potential to get close to a 7 figure price then, so with OP not been specific I will say in a very long term perspective yes it is possible but not longer possible in a short period of time

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.? Would this be feasibly possible or not?

Well, I don't know if that 10x is possible or not but surely if one can invest that Bitcoin by following DCA strategy and dip buying and possibly some trading then it's highly possible to earn 10x within 10-20 years.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.? Would this be feasibly possible or not? How could this much bitcoin be put to work? What kind of investsments will allow this?

That is a huge amount of money but I do think it can reach 10x in a few years. I do not think just holding it will give you the profits you are expecting. More likely trading should suit your profit goals and expectations. Holding is less risky and much safer compared to trading which involves a whole lot of complicated and complex process that you are going to need to learn and master. It could also be possible that you lose some money along the way but if you want 10x profit in only a few years then you should consider trading.

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Then what is this person saying about making several millions worth of bitcoin grow exponentially,

https://www.quora.com/If-someone-is-only-43-years-old-and-has-14-million-usd-what-kind-of-investments-will-allow-them-at-this-age-to-never-have-to-go-back-to-work-at-this-age-How-can-they-make-14-million-usd-grow-exponentially-and-thru/answer/Kovini-Moodley?ch=10&oid=1477743816973664&share=9d6d032c&srid=nPbjD&target_type=answer

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.? Would this be feasibly possible or not? How could this much bitcoin be put to work? What kind of investsments will allow this?

I honestly think that at this stage with the current pool of users the growth is a bit more Logarithmic. The thing that could make it exponential at least temporarily would be mass adoption from the grass roots level. It's not so much how you invest it but who all is investing. Unless of course you're way out on the risk curve. This however could 0 you out quickly if you aren't careful. "Leverage" etc.

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It is feasible to grow your Bitcoin 10x over the years but there are risk in doing that. The value of Bitcoin you are holding may increase but if we are not doing anything but holding will not increase the amount of BTC we are holding. One popular way to increase the amount of BTC is trading but it is very risky for a beginner because he might end up losing instead of gaining. Another option is joining the staking program of exchanges like Binance but obviously, it will take a very long time to make our BTC grow 10x.
Growing our BTC 10x is not easy but also not impossible, we just need a proper knowledge, courage and lot of luck in order to gain such profit without experiencing any loses or suffering from risks involved.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

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Hmm, 10x is actually pretty small IF it was the past. These days I'd assume that Bitcoin growth is going to decrease exponentially compared to the past, so the 1000x you'd see in the past would go down to 100x, 10x down to 2x and lower even. It is for a couple of years but I don't think it'd be feasible at all with the market (unless we see a 10x the next year, which I highly doubt) so you might need to short every now and then and try to maximize the small pumps/dumps of the market.

As for investing Bitcoin itself, no I don't think a 10x is possible at all. It's already a risk in itself so I don't think you need to go beyond that, not to mention I don't think it can even be used to invest on a market stock/asset.

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Quote from: ImThour on September 30, 2024, 10:24:35 AM

First of all, you need to understand there is no guaranteed returns in any sort of investment be it Bitcoin or Stocks or anything. Secondly, if you are willing to invest this big amount, you will have to stick to DCA or Dollar Cost Averaging where you will divide your money into smaller chunks and buy on a regular interval, just how Microstrategy did but with billions of dollars which is far more than your number. Good Luck!

If you can read the Op again, but this time more carefully, you might understand that OP means that the money is already in Bitcoin but asking how to put the money to work. What the Op doesn't understand is that the money being in BTC is already an investment and what OP needs is to live the money for a long period of time and see the magic.

But the big question is, how many people can hold such amount of money for many years. It means the person is madly rich.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.? Would this be feasibly possible or not? How could this much bitcoin be put to work? What kind of investsments will allow this?

I want to believe that US is not the main target on this because they are not investors, but if what you are considering is in seeking advise on how possible making an investment on a profitable asset with such amount could be, then there are many options to take, part if which is the decision to make use of the holding strategy, whereby you could exchange your asset to bitcoin and hodl them down till the right time.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.? Would this be feasibly possible or not? How could this much bitcoin be put to work? What kind of investsments will allow this?

Bitcoin itself is an investment on its own so there is no need looking for another investment to channel the Bitcoin into. Bitcoin has the potential to gradually grow in value in couple of years.

What you want can be possible but it’s difficult to find such investment and no investment will be as beneficial as bitcoin so I would advise you to rather hold your bitcoin for a long period of time it’s really worth it.

Any investment that promises you 10x profits should not be trusted, no investment can guarantee such profit not even bitcoin itself, it will take a whole lot of time to make 10x profit. All investments has their own risk so as much as you are expecting profit you should also expect loss too

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on September 30, 2024, 09:07:28 AM

Since he expect to earn 10x, he should expect their capital go down 10x too.

This is a risk that I am sure the OP is unaware of; there is also the risk of losing money to investment as there is the risk to gain from it. If you expect 10x profit, expect 10x loss.

@OP, 10x ROI on an investment of 13-14 million USD in bitcoin seems very unrealistic, but not impossible, but I personally will not advise you to invest that in bitcoin right now. 10x will be difficult and will take longer to happen with bitcoin, but for some new altcoin, it can happen in a few minutes. That is the risk. So if you wish to make such a return on investments on such short notice in crypto, maybe you should be more willing to take the risk of investing in an altcoin, or rather, if you want to be patient and would like to wait for Bitcoin to maybe get that return on investment, then maybe you can still invest in it.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.?

Bitcoin is already an investment and you don't have to think of other ways to invest it. Plus anyone with 13-14 million dollars should be more than capable of investing that amount and we on the internet do not enough information to give proper financial advice, but what I'll say is you need to set realistic standards when investing an amount of money and also give a realistic timeframe for which to get the ROI.

Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

Would this be feasibly possible or not? How could this much bitcoin be put to work? What kind of investsments will allow this?

It's possible Bitcoin itself will multiply to that level after a few cycles, but risking your bitcoins worth that amount while chasing more gains can result in you losing them.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.? Would this be feasibly possible or not?

If it's about possibility, there is a possibility that it can.

Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could this much bitcoin be put to work?

You're aiming for a 10x all for a few years. No one will ever know the answer for this question. We don't know even know many x that bitcoin is going to perform for this bull run. But if in estimations, 2-4 more cycles that you have to complete. Bitcoin is more stable now and lesser volatile compared in the past.

Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

What kind of investsments will allow this?

Bitcoin. With this amount, I'd avoid putting it on any banking products.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.? Would this be feasibly possible or not? How could this much bitcoin be put to work? What kind of investsments will allow this?

If you are investing in BTC or any other asset, it is important that you don't set unrealistic targets for yourself, this can push you to take crazy risks and lose your money, 10x in a couple of years is kind of unrealistic, you should lower your expectation.

If you are have that money, you should diversify into other assets or investments, gold, business, etc, it is not a good idea to go into one investment with all your money. It is safer to do things that way, but like i said, expect realistic returns and keep your assets very safely.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.? Would this be feasibly possible or not? How could this much bitcoin be put to work? What kind of investsments will allow this?

It is not impossible when the price of Bitcoin goes up high. The size depends on the capital allocated to Bitcoin investment. The average return obtained from large capital is certainly not small.
Don't just give an example in the US, but globally the thing that is meant is nothing is impossible including your question on how it is used.
Like the complaints of people who have let go of Bitcoin when the price is below 60,000 USD. If they had not let go at that price, they would have gotten a bigger multiple now than the amount they have.

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First of all, you need to understand there is no guaranteed returns in any sort of investment be it Bitcoin or Stocks or anything. Secondly, if you are willing to invest this big amount, you will have to stick to DCA or Dollar Cost Averaging where you will divide your money into smaller chunks and buy on a regular interval, just how Microstrategy did but with billions of dollars which is far more than your number. Good Luck!

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.? Would this be feasibly possible or not? How could this much bitcoin be put to work? What kind of investsments will allow this?

It is not matter of your investment capital is big or small because with high trading volume of Bitcoin market, your $13-14M can be absorbed by the market easily.

But to grow it up to 10 times, it is hard and I am sure you won't achieve it in near future. 10 times from now is $650,000 and you can imagine it is a very crazy price for Bitcoin. Assume Bitcoin price will double each cycle, as now it is unrealistic to think its price will increase 20 times for each cycle, and with an assumption that its all time high in this cycle is $100,000. You can make a math, to achieve $650,000 price target, it will need 3 more market cycles, that will be 2028, 2032 and 2036.

However I believe Bitcoin will need long time than next 12 years, to reach to $650,000 and its market cap will be about gold marketcap. [1]

[1] https://companiesmarketcap.com/assets-by-market-cap/

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Quote from: seoincorporation on September 30, 2024, 09:00:23 AM

If you only want to invest for a couple of years, then i would recommend moving to another altcoin with a nice future, that way your investment would grow faster.

Yeah even though I'm really support someone to invest in Bitcoin, but in this case @OP looking to earn 10x in couple years which is high unlikely to happen if he invest in Bitcoin, he might only able to earn 2x-3x. Except he want to "gamble" by buy Bitcoin with leverage.

Since he expect to earn 10x, he should expect their capital go down 10x too.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on September 29, 2024, 10:50:18 PM

How could 13-14 million usd worth of bitcoin be invested in such a way that it will grow exponentially like 10x over gradually in a couple of years in the u.s.? Would this be feasibly possible or not? How could this much bitcoin be put to work? What kind of investsments will allow this?

You don't need to invest that money, the fact that it's already in bitcoin you already have an investment that could grow as crazy. 10 years ago Bitcoin was at $400 when i started using it, and now is at $63000, so, we are talking about something bigger than x100 but the hard part is to hold for a long period of time, if you can do that, then you will find success in your investment.

If you only want to invest for a couple of years, then i would recommend moving to another altcoin with a nice future, that way your investment would grow faster.

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