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legendary
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I am too lazy to google it but I would imagine a lot of those incarcerations are for non violent crimes as well.

Out of all the prisoners in federal jails, just 8% of them are there for committing violent crimes. A simple majority are in for drug offenses, while most of the remainder are sentenced for white-collar crimes.
legendary
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RIP Mommy
LOL @ "everybody carrying guns" in Texas. Good luck getting past the Jim Crow laws...
sr. member
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it makes sense that violence is down since they are arresting a lot of the minorities who are ill-equipped to live in society.

Although minorities make up the majority of the incarcerated population, more than 1/3rd of the prisoners are non-Hispanic White.



And the main reason why the minorities are being over-represented, is the war on drugs.



I am too lazy to google it but I would imagine a lot of those incarcerations are for non violent crimes as well.
legendary
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it makes sense that violence is down since they are arresting a lot of the minorities who are ill-equipped to live in society.

Although minorities make up the majority of the incarcerated population, more than 1/3rd of the prisoners are non-Hispanic White.



And the main reason why the minorities are being over-represented, is the war on drugs.

sr. member
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it makes sense that violence is down since they are arresting a lot of the minorities who are ill-equipped to live in society.
sr. member
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If the authorities are not capable of controlling air pollution or bring down the murder rate.... change the authorities.

If the majority of the population is brainwashed by media propaganda, then removing the authorities through democratic means is outright impossible. Then the only option left is through forcible means, which a lot of people would disagree with.

That in a nutshell is the problem in the US. The media has its part for sure but it is really easy to get complacent when life is fairly comfortable. It actually takes effort to engage and when you do engage you are made into a pariah.
legendary
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If the authorities are not capable of controlling air pollution or bring down the murder rate.... change the authorities.

If the majority of the population is brainwashed by media propaganda, then removing the authorities through democratic means is outright impossible. Then the only option left is through forcible means, which a lot of people would disagree with.
full member
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So instead of getting rid of the pollution we should all wear gas masks.
Indeed , the best solution around.

No. It is not the best solution. It is the second best solution. If the authorities are not capable of controlling the air pollution, then I will start wearing gas masks. I am concerned about my (+ my families') health and safety in the first place.

If the authorities are not capable of controlling air pollution or bring down the murder rate.... change the authorities.


Guns can be useful for that too, after the more traditional methods prove to be fruitless...
hero member
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So instead of getting rid of the pollution we should all wear gas masks.
Indeed , the best solution around.

No. It is not the best solution. It is the second best solution. If the authorities are not capable of controlling the air pollution, then I will start wearing gas masks. I am concerned about my (+ my families') health and safety in the first place.

If the authorities are not capable of controlling air pollution or bring down the murder rate.... change the authorities.
legendary
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So instead of getting rid of the pollution we should all wear gas masks.
Indeed , the best solution around.

No. It is not the best solution. It is the second best solution. If the authorities are not capable of controlling the air pollution, then I will start wearing gas masks. I am concerned about my (+ my families') health and safety in the first place.
hero member
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Hahhaha.  "A "normal" country.

Your myopia is impressive.  Smiley  If you lived where I live in Texas, I'm fairly certain you would avail yourself of common self-defense technologies.

This may surprise you, but the world is a diverse place.  What is appropriate for one location, may be inappropriate for another.

Have to agree with that. If you don't own a gun, then you might become a sitting duck in certain parts of the world. Certain cities in Texas (includes Dallas, Austin.etc) are examples.

So instead of getting rid of the pollution we should all wear gas masks.
Indeed , the best solution around.
legendary
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Hahhaha.  "A "normal" country.

Your myopia is impressive.  Smiley  If you lived where I live in Texas, I'm fairly certain you would avail yourself of common self-defense technologies.

This may surprise you, but the world is a diverse place.  What is appropriate for one location, may be inappropriate for another.

Have to agree with that. If you don't own a gun, then you might become a sitting duck in certain parts of the world. Certain cities in Texas (includes Dallas, Austin.etc) are examples.
sr. member
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Maybe I'm getting the wrong idea but did you just said that for you texans is normal to carry a gun and shot a few hundred people a year?

Right.  That's exactly what I just said.  Roll Eyes

Bye bye buffoon.
hero member
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Just to show how much lower gun homicide rate has to go down to come even close to a normal country. For all the gun fanatics that say everybody carrying guns actually prevent crimes.

Hahhaha.  "A "normal" country.

Your myopia is impressive.  Smiley  If you lived where I live in Texas, I'm fairly certain you would avail yourself of common self-defense technologies.

This may surprise you, but the world is a diverse place.  What is appropriate for one location, may be inappropriate for another.

Maybe I'm getting the wrong idea but did you just said that for you texans is normal to carry a gun and shot a few hundred people a year?

I'm pretty sure that there is another solution to live a peaceful life , like the japanese did.
sr. member
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Just to show how much lower gun homicide rate has to go down to come even close to a normal country. For all the gun fanatics that say everybody carrying guns actually prevent crimes.

Hahhaha.  "A "normal" country.

Your myopia is impressive.  Smiley  If you lived where I live in Texas, I'm fairly certain you would avail yourself of common self-defense technologies.

This may surprise you, but the world is a diverse place.  What is appropriate for one location, may be inappropriate for another.
sr. member
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Homicides rates: United States   4.8[9] Germany   0.8

What do Germans have to do with concealed carry in Texas?  

Just to show how much lower gun homicide rate has to go down to come even close to a normal country.
For all the gun fanatics that say everybody carrying guns actually prevent crimes.

Population estimates:
Germany : 80,585,700
Texas : 26,448,193   
USA : 316,128,839

It would be more fair to compare the homicide rates of Germany to Texas than all of the states.


Do you have a clue what those numbers are and what homicide rate means?
4.8 and 0.8  are number or murders per 100 000 pop.
So , size is irrelevant.


But , let's do it against Texas based on all the crimes :
Germany 690 total crimes , Texas 1,248.
Twice the number at 1/3 population?



Ah figures.yes, the number of crimes in Texas is much higher.  Or, the German police force is not detecting enough crimes, but  I think it is the first.
hero member
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Homicides rates: United States   4.8[9] Germany   0.8

What do Germans have to do with concealed carry in Texas?  

Just to show how much lower gun homicide rate has to go down to come even close to a normal country.
For all the gun fanatics that say everybody carrying guns actually prevent crimes.

Population estimates:
Germany : 80,585,700
Texas : 26,448,193   
USA : 316,128,839

It would be more fair to compare the homicide rates of Germany to Texas than all of the states.


Do you have a clue what those numbers are and what homicide rate means?
4.8 and 0.8  are number or murders per 100 000 pop.
So , size is irrelevant.


But , let's do it against Texas based on all the crimes :
Germany 690 total crimes , Texas 1,248.
Twice the number at 1/3 population?

sr. member
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Homicides rates: United States   4.8[9] Germany   0.8

What do Germans have to do with concealed carry in Texas? 

Just to show how much lower gun homicide rate has to go down to come even close to a normal country.
For all the gun fanatics that say everybody carrying guns actually prevent crimes.

Population estimates:
Germany : 80,585,700
Texas : 26,448,193   
USA : 316,128,839

It would be more fair to compare the homicide rates of Germany to Texas than all of the states.
hero member
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Merit: 501
in defi we trust
Homicides rates: United States   4.8[9] Germany   0.8

What do Germans have to do with concealed carry in Texas? 

Just to show how much lower gun homicide rate has to go down to come even close to a normal country.
For all the gun fanatics that say everybody carrying guns actually prevent crimes.
sr. member
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Homicides rates: United States   4.8[9] Germany   0.8

What do Germans have to do with concealed carry in Texas? 
newbie
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Seems like the conviction in japan isn't affecting kidnappings more than the one is Austria for example...

The definition of kidnapping differs a lot in Japan. If an estranged spouse takes away the kid to his native village, without the permission of the other one, then it is considered as kidnap in Japan.

? Isn't that considered kidnapping everywhere?
legendary
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Seems like the conviction in japan isn't affecting kidnappings more than the one is Austria for example...

The definition of kidnapping differs a lot in Japan. If an estranged spouse takes away the kid to his native village, without the permission of the other one, then it is considered as kidnap in Japan.
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City and state have something to gain to bring the statistic down for election purpose.

Not saying the data is wrong, but one should be aware of bias in any study with hidden agenda.
sr. member
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If the murder rate would be down because of the conviction rate the other crimes would be also down like that but the percentages are not showing it at all.

Who said that the other crimes are not down?

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Japan/United-States/Crime

For example, the incidence of rape is 66 times lower in Japan, when compared to the US. Car theft is 20 times lower, and Assaults are 15 times lower.

You are obsessed with the us .. let it go for god sake

Seems like the conviction in japan isn't affecting kidnappings more than the one is Austria for example...

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Kidnappings
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Austria/Japan/Crime

Or the number of car thefts compared to ... Russia Smiley.




What is software piracy doing in the list?  It is very debatable whether software piracy is a crime.
Its a shame spyware is not on the list of crimes, spyware is simply allowed to be included in (commercial) software packages.

hero member
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If the murder rate would be down because of the conviction rate the other crimes would be also down like that but the percentages are not showing it at all.

Who said that the other crimes are not down?

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Japan/United-States/Crime

For example, the incidence of rape is 66 times lower in Japan, when compared to the US. Car theft is 20 times lower, and Assaults are 15 times lower.

You are obsessed with the us .. let it go for god sake

Seems like the conviction in japan isn't affecting kidnappings more than the one is Austria for example...

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Kidnappings
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Austria/Japan/Crime

Or the number of car thefts compared to ... Russia Smiley.


legendary
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If the murder rate would be down because of the conviction rate the other crimes would be also down like that but the percentages are not showing it at all.

Who said that the other crimes are not down?

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Japan/United-States/Crime

For example, the incidence of rape is 66 times lower in Japan, when compared to the US. Car theft is 20 times lower, and Assaults are 15 times lower.
newbie
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In my opinion, the decline in the inner city population might have contributed a lot. There is significant migration of people from the crime-affected inner city areas to the more affluent suburbs. The suburbs mostly comprises of gated communities and well maintained residential associations, where the street gangs don't have much power.

What country are you from? That doesn't sound at all like the US I know.
hero member
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I wonder why Japan has such unbelievable low rates...

Very simple. The Japanese police is one of the most efficient of its type in the world. They have around 99.8% conviction rate, for all crimes.

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.1086/468111?uid=3738256&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21104123198157

Also there are several other facts, such as lack of immigration, ethnic homogeneity of the society.etc

Unfortunately it's not that simple....

Did you read the second paragraph on the article you quoted?

If the murder rate would be down because of the conviction rate the other crimes would be also down like that but the percentages are not showing it at all.


legendary
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I wonder why Japan has such unbelievable low rates...

Very simple. The Japanese police is one of the most efficient of its type in the world. They have around 99.8% conviction rate, for all crimes.

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.1086/468111?uid=3738256&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21104123198157

Also there are several other facts, such as lack of immigration, ethnic homogeneity of the society.etc
sr. member
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The explosion of new laws allowing citizens to carry firearms concealed is a large factor in the crime drop over the last 10 years.

I'm old enough to remember the horror and gnashing of teeth when Concealed Carry was proposed in Texas.

The media assured us there would be gun battles in the streets every 15 minutes over contested parking spaces if filthy sinner humans were allowed to carry self-defense weapons.

The exact opposite happened.




Homicides rates:
 United States   4.8[9]
 Germany   0.8

Much more to come...

Compared to say Canada the homicide rate are much lower as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate  10.3 as compared Canada 2.38. Mexico has 11.17  and Australia 1.06



I wonder why Japan has such unbelievable low rates...

Interesting read:
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/07/a-land-without-guns-how-japan-has-virtually-eliminated-shooting-deaths/260189/

But it offers no real explanation other than culture.

South Korea and Azerbaijan are also very low, could be a cultural thing, or climate;
hero member
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The explosion of new laws allowing citizens to carry firearms concealed is a large factor in the crime drop over the last 10 years.

I'm old enough to remember the horror and gnashing of teeth when Concealed Carry was proposed in Texas.

The media assured us there would be gun battles in the streets every 15 minutes over contested parking spaces if filthy sinner humans were allowed to carry self-defense weapons.

The exact opposite happened.




Homicides rates:
 United States   4.8[9]
 Germany   0.8

Much more to come...

Compared to say Canada the homicide rate are much lower as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate  10.3 as compared Canada 2.38. Mexico has 11.17  and Australia 1.06



I wonder why Japan has such unbelievable low rates...

Interesting read:
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/07/a-land-without-guns-how-japan-has-virtually-eliminated-shooting-deaths/260189/

But it offers no real explanation other than culture.
sr. member
Activity: 518
Merit: 250
The explosion of new laws allowing citizens to carry firearms concealed is a large factor in the crime drop over the last 10 years.

I'm old enough to remember the horror and gnashing of teeth when Concealed Carry was proposed in Texas.

The media assured us there would be gun battles in the streets every 15 minutes over contested parking spaces if filthy sinner humans were allowed to carry self-defense weapons.

The exact opposite happened.




Homicides rates:
 United States   4.8[9]
 Germany   0.8

Much more to come...

Compared to say Canada the homicide rate are much lower as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate  10.3 as compared Canada 2.38. Mexico has 11.17  and Australia 1.06




hero member
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in defi we trust
The explosion of new laws allowing citizens to carry firearms concealed is a large factor in the crime drop over the last 10 years.

I'm old enough to remember the horror and gnashing of teeth when Concealed Carry was proposed in Texas.

The media assured us there would be gun battles in the streets every 15 minutes over contested parking spaces if filthy sinner humans were allowed to carry self-defense weapons.

The exact opposite happened.




Homicides rates:
 United States   4.8[9]
 Germany   0.8

Much more to come...
sr. member
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Merit: 250
The explosion of new laws allowing citizens to carry firearms concealed is a large factor in the crime drop over the last 10 years.

I'm old enough to remember the horror and gnashing of teeth when Concealed Carry was proposed in Texas.

The media assured us there would be gun battles in the streets every 15 minutes over contested parking spaces if filthy sinner humans were allowed to carry self-defense weapons.

The exact opposite happened.

legendary
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In my opinion, the decline in the inner city population might have contributed a lot. There is significant migration of people from the crime-affected inner city areas to the more affluent suburbs. The suburbs mostly comprises of gated communities and well maintained residential associations, where the street gangs don't have much power.
sr. member
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this is a prime example of how hypermedia can affect public thinking. they get to choose what we pay attention to. it seems like everybody is always complaining, no matter what times they live in, that things were better a long time ago.
legendary
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The State of Fear is an excellent book :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Fear

There are many factual inaccuracies , but the main concept is that the government or any source of authority must use fear get power over people.

Even if there is no power or source of authority pushing fear into the minds of people , people tend to search for unknowns and get anxious over it or afraid of it. Here is an interesting article on the same idea.

Even if firearm deaths reduce , people will still try to use firearms as a focus for their fears and the government too will try to portray it as more than it is , in order to induce fear.
sr. member
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http://www.kltv.com/story/25635541/gun-homicides-down-dramatically-americans-unaware
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TYLER, TX (KLTV) -

It seems there is something in the news every day about gun violence. The recent mass shooting in Isla Vista, California, a movie theater riddled with bullets in Colorado, children and teachers gunned down at school in Connecticut, and the list goes on. While you may be seeing more and more shooting, the fact is, overall gun homicide rates have dropped dramatically over the past two decades, according to a recent study.

More than half of Americans believe gun violence has increased over the past two decades, but what you’re watching on the news, may be skewing your view.

That recent study said compared to 1993, the peak of US gun homicide, the rate was 49 percent lower in 2010, even though the population had grown. In other words, fewer people are dying by guns.

Assaults, robberies, and sex crimes also went down by 75 percent in 2011. Perhaps images from shooting crime scenes seem all too familiar, but perhaps the attention to gun violence in recent months has caused more Americans to be unaware that gun crimes are actually markedly lower than they were two decades ago.

There have been about two mass shootings per month in the US over the past five years, according to another report. A mass shooting is constituted as four deaths or more, but this study said each year less than one percent of gun homicides are from mass shootings. Between 1983 and 2012 there were 547 deaths from mass shootings. These shootings are highly publicized and the public is paying close attention.

“I don’t normally just read on it all the time, but when there’s a mass shooting or something like that and it’s big on the news, yes I do read about it and I take part in online debates and stuff,” Anna Katrina Pecson, a Tyler resident, said.

No story received more public attention from mid-March to early April 2013 than the debate over gun control. Though, seeing is believing, numbers don’t lie.

The study also noted more than half of gun-related deaths are suicides. Researchers aren’t sure why gun violence has gone down so drastically, but the study did note that the decline has slowed over the past decade compared to the rapid reduction in the 90’s.
Tell the MSM and the progressives to put that in their pipe and smoke it.
 
The actual study is at http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2013/05/firearms_final_05-2013.pdf



Interesting study. The strange thing about the statistic is that the firearms deaths seem to be stable around 10.2 - 10.3 for the last 10 years.
legendary
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http://www.kltv.com/story/25635541/gun-homicides-down-dramatically-americans-unaware
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TYLER, TX (KLTV) -

It seems there is something in the news every day about gun violence. The recent mass shooting in Isla Vista, California, a movie theater riddled with bullets in Colorado, children and teachers gunned down at school in Connecticut, and the list goes on. While you may be seeing more and more shooting, the fact is, overall gun homicide rates have dropped dramatically over the past two decades, according to a recent study.

More than half of Americans believe gun violence has increased over the past two decades, but what you’re watching on the news, may be skewing your view.

That recent study said compared to 1993, the peak of US gun homicide, the rate was 49 percent lower in 2010, even though the population had grown. In other words, fewer people are dying by guns.

Assaults, robberies, and sex crimes also went down by 75 percent in 2011. Perhaps images from shooting crime scenes seem all too familiar, but perhaps the attention to gun violence in recent months has caused more Americans to be unaware that gun crimes are actually markedly lower than they were two decades ago.

There have been about two mass shootings per month in the US over the past five years, according to another report. A mass shooting is constituted as four deaths or more, but this study said each year less than one percent of gun homicides are from mass shootings. Between 1983 and 2012 there were 547 deaths from mass shootings. These shootings are highly publicized and the public is paying close attention.

“I don’t normally just read on it all the time, but when there’s a mass shooting or something like that and it’s big on the news, yes I do read about it and I take part in online debates and stuff,” Anna Katrina Pecson, a Tyler resident, said.

No story received more public attention from mid-March to early April 2013 than the debate over gun control. Though, seeing is believing, numbers don’t lie.

The study also noted more than half of gun-related deaths are suicides. Researchers aren’t sure why gun violence has gone down so drastically, but the study did note that the decline has slowed over the past decade compared to the rapid reduction in the 90’s.
Tell the MSM and the progressives to put that in their pipe and smoke it.
 
The actual study is at http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2013/05/firearms_final_05-2013.pdf

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