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Quote from: Eternad on November 15, 2024, 10:07:35 AM

Don’t you dare to try this slot game if you have a weak hear because this slot game is brutal based on my own experience.

Tried to play Dawn at Duel which is the new game of hacksaw and purchased the mega bonus buy 40 times without even hitting x1 of my bonus purchase amount. This is the first time I experienced a too extreme volatility.

I’m not sure if this slot game is worth a shot by normal gambler. Anyone experienced the same or have a good experience? I created this topic for awareness on how volatile this game could be.

Honestly, I was a big fan of volatile slots and always enjoyed to the excitement of games with high risks and rewards, especially those by providers like Hacksaw Gaming. But yep, I get what you mean about Dawn at Duel, as I been in you same situation with some slots, Hacksaw games are known for their crazy volatility and this one sounds even more intense than usual.
I haven't tried Dawn at Duel yet, but from what you are describing it seems like a bad deal. Getting the mega bonus buy 40 times and not even breaking even once, That’s rough isn’t it? High volatility games can be thrilling, but they definitely test your patience (and budget if you went beyond it).

Honestly, for the average gambler, I would say this game might be best approached with small bets. I would also like to see a different experience from someone who have played it.

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Quote from: Eternad on November 15, 2024, 10:07:35 AM

I’m not sure if this slot game is worth a shot by normal gambler. Anyone experienced the same or have a good experience? I created this topic for awareness on how volatile this game could be.

This is not surprising to experience on some of the hacksaw gaming slot games. I’m an avid fan of this provider and witness this kind of nightmare before even with their old games.

It just their games is designed to have this kind of extreme volatility at some point which is why I never play long on specific slot games especially if I don’t get good result. I marked all the games that I experienced bad losing streak then proceed to my favorite only.

Not all new games is bad. You just timing it badly.

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Quote from: swogerino on November 15, 2024, 03:32:58 PM

The problem with other providers is that every spin is not independent of each other, in Pragmatic Play provider I can bet my house that the outcome there is not random at all and something fishy is going on. In Hacksaw at least I have seen that truly each spin has no connection to each other and when I am talking about spin I am talking about buying the bonus not in normal game play.

The spins are not actually truly random, they are made to be random in terms of the outcome but their % of the outcome is adjusted each time to meet the RTP, so while still random your first spin will definitely not be able to match the result of your 10000 spin after let's say a continuous loss or even win 100-200k on that game.

This is a rather lengthy article, but probably the least complicated explanation on how RTP and winning are both regulated and how is the outcome generated:
https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/authorities/guide/page/la-bulletin-august-2020-feature-article

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Quote from: ryzaadit on November 15, 2024, 12:15:50 PM

One things you should learn, especially in gambling.

Previous bets and gambling is always never raise chance for higher winning. People are always going to fallancy, but indeed these was called shit happens. You should tried to take some break from gambling.

These one was brutal better try to take some breaks bro.

We are repeating this idea quite often lately, but it is key, and true. On one hand, the idea that the machine is "hot" after a long time of losses; on the other, the advice to not seek to recover from losses.

The OP lost 40 times in a row, it is too much (I wouldn't have played so many spins at once, but that's my personal style) but one must learn accept the losses the same as another day enjoy the victories.

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It seems like it's just about "it's not your day" which means when you play in that game, you are very unlucky.
I have tried this game on Wednesday yesterday and from 500 spins I bought 2x bonus spins. The first result was not satisfactory only getting about 100x and in the second purchase, I managed to get about 1000x which gave a small win.
Well, that means in this Duel at Dawn game, it actually looks fair to me (when I win I will say this) and it will look like a bad game (when I lose) Grin

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Quote from: Solosanz on November 15, 2024, 10:59:55 AM

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You mean Duel at Dawn? somebody once hit max multipliers in this slots, so I believe this game isn't rigged.

Bad luck can happen bro, just like someone shared few of his stories where he bet on the game in x casino, but he didn't hit big multipliers. You might want to change the casino you played.

Yea, I've seen it on one casino I played some days ago, I check the score board and saw some good amounts of wins.. but decided to give the game a try and only hit 2x after many trials.. I didn't want to waste my time and funds on a new game so I just let it be.. though I can't conclude here like op that the game is rigged, it's still depends on luck and the difficulty adjustments for the casino you played on. Just try your luck again op, and see if you can hit some good score.. but don't waste your time if you just can't.

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Quote from: TravelMug on November 16, 2024, 04:54:51 AM

Yes, but once you really hit that bonus rounds, who knows, maybe it can give you x1000 or even higher multiplier. But the thing is that with what the OP describe, I think what he got is extreme bad luck as it didn't give him any despite that 40 times of purchasing the bonus round.

Not to rub it in on the OP, I try if someone has won max win in this game and this is what I found,

We must remember that slot game needs luck to win. If you have luck, you can win and hit the high multiplier like other people. But unfortunately, we can not always hit the high multiplier and should accept if we only wins for small money. That will be better than nothing so we don't have to force ourselves to play longer just to chase the wins.

We don't have to try for many times such as 40 times to use bonus buy feature because that needs more money. But I believe some people can win high multiplier but that will not for many people.

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Quote from: Eternad on November 15, 2024, 10:07:35 AM

Don’t you dare to try this slot game if you have a weak hear because this slot game is brutal based on my own experience.

Tried to play Dawn at Duel which is the new game of hacksaw and purchased the mega bonus buy 40 times without even hitting x1 of my bonus purchase amount. This is the first time I experienced a too extreme volatility.

Wow, that is really brutal man, I already thought that Hacksaw Games are extremely volatile but at least many of its old games gives us a decent win after some time of purchasing bonuses. I was interested to try this new game but now I was told how brutal this new game is, I will probably just pass on this new game.

Quote from: Eternad on November 15, 2024, 10:07:35 AM

I’m not sure if this slot game is worth a shot by normal gambler. Anyone experienced the same or have a good experience? I created this topic for awareness on how volatile this game could be.

Normal gambler can try once or twice buying the mega bonus to see if their luck can beat the too-extreme volatility of this new slot and after that if they still got busted should avoid the game at all cost to minimize losses at least.

Btw, sorry to hear your unlucky streak on this slot game.

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Quote from: Charles-Tim on November 15, 2024, 11:22:35 PM

Quote from: Davidvictorson on November 15, 2024, 10:58:17 AM

This is indeed a new game because I just checked on my favourite casino and didn't see this game there yet. Sorry about your experience. Have you tried to play this new game at any other casino to check if the volatility is the same across the platforms?

If he used a reputable casino with provably fair games, the result will be the same. Reputed casinos have provably fair games because if gamblers continue to gamble, the casino will still be making high amount of money from gamblers. If he noticed it to be different on another casino, it is only luck. If he gamble for long at the same time or short at different but numerous times, he will notice that they are the same.

You are right that the game is from 3rd party provider (hacksaw) so it has nothing to do with casino with provably fair system, the game will remain the same even though you play in the most reputable casino.
The volatility of the game is also the same across casinos because by default it is designed by the provider but I'm not quite sure about the real RTP because there is issue from some people who said that casino can adjust the RTP of the game.

Quote from: Eternad on November 16, 2024, 07:46:08 AM

It’s just my bad luck on this game is so terrible that makes me block playing hacksaw gaming indefinitely.

I never thought I will experience this on a newly launch game which typically have a hot RTP.

I know how you feel and it is reasonable to hear that you block hacksaw or put it on your blacklisted provider due to your bad luck.
Maybe I'll do the same if I experience the same thing but I believe I wont experience the same because I will not continue to do buy bonus once I do 10x buys without any single win

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Quote from: TravelMug on November 16, 2024, 04:54:51 AM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on November 15, 2024, 11:56:46 PM

I am forget what slot game from Hacksaw that I played before but I just remember that I lose my money. Hacksaw is one of some provider that will difficult to win even if you use the feature bonus buy. Unless you have lucky, you will not win easily but will lose your money so you need to be careful spending your money. Besides that, you don't have to use too much money to play slot game because slot game can tempting you to keep playing and difficult to stop. But if you can manage your funds that you will use to playing slot game, you will not use more money if you lose that money.

Yes, but once you really hit that bonus rounds, who knows, maybe it can give you x1000 or even higher multiplier. But the thing is that with what the OP describe, I think what he got is extreme bad luck as it didn't give him any despite that 40 times of purchasing the bonus round.

Not to rub it in on the OP, I try if someone has won max win in this game and this is what I found,

I knew there’s already someone won the max win since I play because I watch video hitting max and also the casino big win history shows that someone won max win that give me confidence to try this slot game.

It’s just my bad luck on this game is so terrible that makes me block playing hacksaw gaming indefinitely.

I never thought I will experience this on a newly launch game which typically have a hot RTP.

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Quote from: TravelMug on November 16, 2024, 04:54:51 AM

Many players hit the max win on this game already especially using the buy bonus feature but there are also many players hit max win from normal spins as we can see in some casinos where there is a feature to show the latest lucky win. OP was in his bad luck time but 40x bonus buy without even 1 result that gave him at least the initial cost of the buy bonus is just insane bad luck. I had lose streak with buy bonus but not that long, maybe around 10x only because if I will always stop if I feel that the game is on its freeze mode. Lesson learned to OP and others who read the story, do not do too much buy bonus (consecutively) because there is no guarantee of better result on buy bonus feature as it is just a shortcut for the bonus round of the game.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on November 15, 2024, 11:56:46 PM

I am forget what slot game from Hacksaw that I played before but I just remember that I lose my money. Hacksaw is one of some provider that will difficult to win even if you use the feature bonus buy. Unless you have lucky, you will not win easily but will lose your money so you need to be careful spending your money. Besides that, you don't have to use too much money to play slot game because slot game can tempting you to keep playing and difficult to stop. But if you can manage your funds that you will use to playing slot game, you will not use more money if you lose that money.

Yes, but once you really hit that bonus rounds, who knows, maybe it can give you x1000 or even higher multiplier. But the thing is that with what the OP describe, I think what he got is extreme bad luck as it didn't give him any despite that 40 times of purchasing the bonus round.

Not to rub it in on the OP, I try if someone has won max win in this game and this is what I found,

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I am forget what slot game from Hacksaw that I played before but I just remember that I lose my money. Hacksaw is one of some provider that will difficult to win even if you use the feature bonus buy. Unless you have lucky, you will not win easily but will lose your money so you need to be careful spending your money. Besides that, you don't have to use too much money to play slot game because slot game can tempting you to keep playing and difficult to stop. But if you can manage your funds that you will use to playing slot game, you will not use more money if you lose that money.

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40 times mega bonus buy? x0? Damn! I would probably hate the slot provider after just 5 times of buying free spins. Cheesy

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I love Hacksaw gaming because of their RTP. I played a lot of their games like RIP City, Twisted Lab, Donny Dough, and more. Twisted Lab is one of my favorites because I feel like it gives back in a short span of time. I mean I never lost $20 there betting at the minimum amount every round. RIP City, on the other hand, is what gave me a good multiplier, if I remember it correctly, it was x3000+ and I was so happy when I hit that but it took a long time before that high multiplier came out which means you need a deep wallet if you are aiming it.

Sorry for your loss OP. Where are you playing the game?

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on November 15, 2024, 10:58:17 AM

This is indeed a new game because I just checked on my favourite casino and didn't see this game there yet. Sorry about your experience. Have you tried to play this new game at any other casino to check if the volatility is the same across the platforms?

If he used a reputable casino with provably fair games, the result will be the same. Reputed casinos have provably fair games because if gamblers continue to gamble, the casino will still be making high amount of money from gamblers. If he noticed it to be different on another casino, it is only luck. If he gamble for long at the same time or short at different but numerous times, he will notice that they are the same.

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Quote from: Eternad on November 15, 2024, 10:07:35 AM

Don’t you dare to try this slot game if you have a weak hear because this slot game is brutal based on my own experience.

Tried to play Dawn at Duel which is the new game of hacksaw and purchased the mega bonus buy 40 times without even hitting x1 of my bonus purchase amount. This is the first time I experienced a too extreme volatility.

I’m not sure if this slot game is worth a shot by normal gambler. Anyone experienced the same or have a good experience? I created this topic for awareness on how volatile this game could be.

Wow, thanks for the heads up! You always want to watch out for high volatility especially with slots because it tends to be a crap chute. Duly noted. I think I am at the point where I will just stick to buying a scratch off or two from time to time and that should hold me off until I want to get back into some more online betting, maybe play some more slot game again. Probably not Dawn at Duel now though lmao

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Slots games are so weird to me.

My introduction to gambling was provably fair games where you knew your chances to win every roll. With slot games it's all so vague. You don't know if your chances improve or worsen when you get the freerolls, you don't know if buying bonus spins does anything to your chances, you don't know anything.

There are a few provably fair slots that try to do better but these for some reason aren't popular. With slots these days, at least the popular ones, you'd be lucky to be told the RTP and just cross your fingers that it's true. How can the streamers always win and me always lose though if these games are always fair and random then? These are some of the reasons I don't really trust slot games even if they're from a "known" provider.

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Quote from: Eternad on November 15, 2024, 10:07:35 AM

Don’t you dare to try this slot game if you have a weak hear because this slot game is brutal based on my own experience.

Tried to play Dawn at Duel which is the new game of hacksaw and purchased the mega bonus buy 40 times without even hitting x1 of my bonus purchase amount. This is the first time I experienced a too extreme volatility.

I’m not sure if this slot game is worth a shot by normal gambler. Anyone experienced the same or have a good experience? I created this topic for awareness on how volatile this game could be.

This is the first time that I have heard this game.

However, I have played a local game and could have purchased bonus buy more than 40 times, (consecutively), but it was giving me at least x1 of my bonus purchases and we just did it for fun, (less than $10.00 per bonus buy).

But in this case, it's really a pain to see this kind of volatility and the game is not giving out something.

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Quote from: stompix on November 15, 2024, 03:14:41 PM

Quote from: Eternad on November 15, 2024, 10:07:35 AM

Don’t you dare to try this slot game if you have a weak hear because this slot game is brutal based on my own experience.

If you have a weak heart it's going to be a big win out of nowhere that's going to kill you, not constant loss over and over Wink

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Either way, this is gambling and as usual one event or one chain of events is not deterministic for all plays, when you gamble you must start with the state of mind that everything that can go wrong will go wrong, starting with high expectations from a game that is based on random luck is a bit childish to say at least.

The problem with other providers is that every spin is not independent of each other, in Pragmatic Play provider I can bet my house that the outcome there is not random at all and something fishy is going on. In Hacksaw at least I have seen that truly each spin has no connection to each other and when I am talking about spin I am talking about buying the bonus not in normal game play. Hacksaw maybe the most volatile slot provider out there and I fully agree with it yet if you see who is the provider giving more often lately the max win in almost every casino that I have played is exactly this provider. The only downfall or con for Hacksaw is that is geared toward mostly rich people or somewhat people with great starting balances, you cannot try their games with 100 dollars yet you can very well with 1000 dollars.

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Quote from: Eternad on November 15, 2024, 10:07:35 AM

Don’t you dare to try this slot game if you have a weak hear because this slot game is brutal based on my own experience.

If you have a weak heart it's going to be a big win out of nowhere that's going to kill you, not constant loss over and over Wink

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Either way, this is gambling and as usual one event or one chain of events is not deterministic for all plays, when you gamble you must start with the state of mind that everything that can go wrong will go wrong, starting with high expectations from a game that is based on random luck is a bit childish to say at least.

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Quote from: Eternad on November 15, 2024, 10:07:35 AM

Don’t you dare to try this slot game if you have a weak hear because this slot game is brutal based on my own experience.

Tried to play Dawn at Duel which is the new game of hacksaw and purchased the mega bonus buy 40 times without even hitting x1 of my bonus purchase amount. This is the first time I experienced a too extreme volatility.

I’m not sure if this slot game is worth a shot by normal gambler. Anyone experienced the same or have a good experience? I created this topic for awareness on how volatile this game could be.

I am not impressed, also tell us the casino where you played as I think it depends from casino to casino. Personally I like to play Hacksaw slots only when my initial budget is high which is never nowadays and so I end up playing the f*cking Pragmatic slots, the enhanced RTP ones which claim to be 98% RTP to player, guess what they are even worse than this volatility you have seen in the game mentioned here which I have not tried and so I am going to try it in fun mode and see if it truly is that volatile. For Hacksaw though I suggest to anyone as the best game so far that they have made and the one with a huge potential is Cloud Princess, at least there big or huge multipliers are very much possible and beside that someone at the casino I play won 2500x winning 1000 dollars from the game Dawn at Duel so what happen to you is simply cruel and I feel you, I have seen worse though in Pragmatic slots, I think time to say stop is the wisest thing to do.

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Quote from: Eternad on November 15, 2024, 10:07:35 AM

Don’t you dare to try this slot game if you have a weak hear because this slot game is brutal based on my own experience.

Tried to play Dawn at Duel which is the new game of hacksaw and purchased the mega bonus buy 40 times without even hitting x1 of my bonus purchase amount. This is the first time I experienced a too extreme volatility.

I’m not sure if this slot game is worth a shot by normal gambler. Anyone experienced the same or have a good experience? I created this topic for awareness on how volatile this game could be.

Hacksaw period is the most volatile provider out there, but at the same time when they do hit they give a massive win. Lots of 1000x-10000x when a big win happens vs Pragmatic slots that on a decent win it's usually 200x-300x at best most of the time.

I think is all pretty much evens out in the long run because Hacksaw might make you go 50 buys in a row before a decent hit and other providers maybe 20-30 buys in a row.

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Quote from: Eternad on November 15, 2024, 10:07:35 AM

I’m not sure if this slot game is worth a shot by normal gambler. Anyone experienced the same or have a good experience? I created this topic for awareness on how volatile this game could be.

Slots games are initially not for the weak you know and I'm not that lover of slots game as well cause of their high risk chances but then I'm not really conversant with this particular game tho as it seems new to the system and mind you it won't be as other slot games in the casino cause it could be more volatile than any other slot games.

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One things you should learn, especially in gambling.

Previous bets and gambling is always never raise chance for higher winning. People are always going to fallancy, but indeed these was called shit happens. You should tried to take some break from gambling.

These one was brutal better try to take some breaks bro.

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Quote from: Eternad on November 15, 2024, 10:07:35 AM

Don’t you dare to try this slot game if you have a weak hear because this slot game is brutal based on my own experience.

Tried to play Dawn at Duel which is the new game of hacksaw and purchased the mega bonus buy 40 times without even hitting x1 of my bonus purchase amount. This is the first time I experienced a too extreme volatility.

I’m not sure if this slot game is worth a shot by normal gambler. Anyone experienced the same or have a good experience? I created this topic for awareness on how volatile this game could be.

This new game is not what we are expected to batch into like that, because some of it kinds like this may require us having more insight on how we could safely play them, though this does not have anything to change about the narratives on playing slot games, because they are only a chance of wining or losing base on the luck we have in them, i also believe that with time, ,many are going to get used to this game and know more better, but if we can t afford to make loss, then we may stay off it for now, till many gets used to it and how it could be safely played.

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Quote from: Eternad on November 15, 2024, 10:07:35 AM

Don’t you dare to try this slot game if you have a weak hear because this slot game is brutal based on my own experience.

Tried to play Dawn at Duel which is the new game of hacksaw and purchased the mega bonus buy 40 times without even hitting x1 of my bonus purchase amount. This is the first time I experienced a too extreme volatility.

I’m not sure if this slot game is worth a shot by normal gambler. Anyone experienced the same or have a good experience? I created this topic for awareness on how volatile this game could be.

You may be unlucky sir, that sometimes happens to some gamblers, so it's quite normal in my opinion, maybe because it's new too so you haven't fully adapted to how this game works for you.

If it happens again when you play it tomorrow and the next few days then it needs to be questioned, whether this is really a game behind there or there are some things wrong with the game, and you can share it back here for more interesting update discussions about this game.

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Quote from: panjul07 on November 15, 2024, 11:22:48 AM

Sorry to hear for your bad luck, but I wanna know about your 40 bonus buys, did you do it consecutively or it is just a total number from your several gambling sessions?
In general, that's Hacksaw nature (extreme volatility slot games) so we should understand that any game by hacksaw may give us huge multiplier but it is rare to happen unless we are on lucky time.
About the expensive (you call it mega) buy bonus, most new slot game by hacksaw provide 2 type buy bonus (cheaper and expensive one) and as far as I can see is that the expensive buy bonus is usually coming with higher volatility.

I do it 40 consecutive times and you’re right that is the expensive one. I will understand a 10 consecutive spin without hitting near the x1 but 40 times is insane that push me to create a thread like this to give some warning to other user that will try this game.

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I do play hacksaw game but I prefer their old slot game where there is only 1 option for the buy bonus feature.

Agreed, their old games give me a good result while the latest games has an insane volatility that is more brutal compared to nolimitcity.

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Sorry to hear for your bad luck, but I wanna know about your 40 bonus buys, did you do it consecutively or it is just a total number from your several gambling sessions?
In general, that's Hacksaw nature (extreme volatility slot games) so we should understand that any game by hacksaw may give us huge multiplier but it is rare to happen unless we are on lucky time.
About the expensive (you call it mega) buy bonus, most new slot game by hacksaw provide 2 type buy bonus (cheaper and expensive one) and as far as I can see is that the expensive buy bonus is usually coming with higher volatility.
I do play hacksaw game but I prefer their old slot game where there is only 1 option for the buy bonus feature.

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Quote from: Eternad on November 15, 2024, 10:07:35 AM

I’m not sure if this slot game is worth a shot by normal gambler. Anyone experienced the same or have a good experience? I created this topic for awareness on how volatile this game could be.

I am not a fan of slot neither have I played that particular game.
See it's always important to stick with the games you already got used to, I know sometimes we gamblers always wants to diversify our games to also have experience from other games maybe if it would favor us and gives possible winning. But most times if we goes like this we might end up constantly losing our bankroll at the verge of trying to explore new games launched by casinos.

To avoid such lose; always stick with popular and regular games you know too well that give you winning, do not chase more of profits and thinking to defeat the house.

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You had a bad luck, try again. Tongue

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You mean Duel at Dawn? somebody once hit max multipliers in this slots, so I believe this game isn't rigged.

Bad luck can happen bro, just like someone shared few of his stories where he bet on the game in x casino, but he didn't hit big multipliers. You might want to change the casino you played.

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Quote from: Eternad on November 15, 2024, 10:07:35 AM

Don’t you dare to try this slot game if you have a weak hear because this slot game is brutal based on my own experience.

Tried to play Dawn at Duel which is the new game of hacksaw and purchased the mega bonus buy 40 times without even hitting x1 of my bonus purchase amount. This is the first time I experienced a too extreme volatility.

I’m not sure if this slot game is worth a shot by normal gambler. Anyone experienced the same or have a good experience? I created this topic for awareness on how volatile this game could be.

This is indeed a new game because I just checked on my favourite casino and didn't see this game there yet. Sorry about your experience. Have you tried to play this new game at any other casino to check if the volatility is the same across the platforms?

For me, I will hold on till my favourite casino has the game and will give it a shot. Slots are my favourite and if I try it once and don't like it, then I won't play it again but will definitely share my experience.

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Don’t you dare to try this slot game if you have a weak hear because this slot game is brutal based on my own experience.

Tried to play Dawn at Duel which is the new game of hacksaw and purchased the mega bonus buy 40 times without even hitting x1 of my bonus purchase amount. This is the first time I experienced a too extreme volatility.

I’m not sure if this slot game is worth a shot by normal gambler. Anyone experienced the same or have a good experience? I created this topic for awareness on how volatile this game could be.

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