Topic: ‘Hamas-Israel deal imminent,’ to the dismay of Palestinian factions (Read 1213 times)

israel needs continued violence to justify the occupation. sooner or later some rogue islamic group will launch a firecracker in israels general direction and netanyahu will claim the palestinians broke the cease fire and start another war. what is needed is a comprehensive settlement with palestinians getting full control over their borders and the jews withdrawing from all the territories they illegitimately occupy.this can only happen once the stupid american goyim slaves stop providing them with free weapons and money.

I see no evidence of Hamas "softening" its rhetoric, expectations or demands. Can you substantiate this claim?

Israel gets bupkiss. All of the benefit flows to Hamas and enables it to tighten its grip on Gaza. they can claim they won, and in fact, they would if this was a real deal. Seems the "punching bag" strategy works with many.

the stopping of rockets, is bogus since Hamas already claims they can't control all the "resistance groups" within Gaza. Not that they are raining down on Israel these days, there hasn't been more than 10 since the start of 2015.

But feel free to think this is a legit step towards peace. Its nothing more than a hudna.

What KriszDev says in post #50

Your views of the conflict are diametrically opposite to reality. Israel wants peace, Hamas wants the annihilation of Israel. Granted hudna is no peace, it's still 8 years of calm and 8 years of potential cooperation and trust building with Hamas. While peace is impossible now, a long term truce is a giant step in the right direction.

Israel gets more than bupkiss, it gets what it has always been seeking, a chance at peace, it's Hamas who is softening its rhetoric, expectations and demands.

amazing. a hudna is not a peace, it is a temporary cease-fire.

But of course you not actually understanding the nature of a hudna thinking it was a peace deal is not surprising.

Hamas would be drooling that embargo restrictions would lifted, and that gazan workers could actually go back to work in Israel, and at what price? A promise not to fire rockets into Israel or dig a tunnel?

They already deny they are shooting rockets into Israel claiming its other groups doing it and they can't police everyone.

So... Hamas is drooling at the prospect of peace, but there's not many Israelis who want it?

I've tried to find logic in what you've wrote, but hurt myself

All along Israel has denied the rumours that continue to persist. I sure as hell don't believe the rumour mill especially since it is being propagate by non-Palestinian Arabic sources.

Strawman.

You think that a hudna with Hamas would bring about actual peace?
somebody floated a fairy tale that some wish to believe with all their little hearts is true.

Israel gets bupkiss. Hamas gets the lollipop and Israel gets the stick. doubt there are many Israelis stupid enough to accept such a deal, but every Hamas member would be drooling at the prospect.

You would desperately hope the peace would not happen... why?

These negotiations been there for a while and all along Israel denied it in front of PLO, there have been former denials as well but we still hear of it, so it depends on who you belive.

I thought this smelled. Israel would NEVER negotiate a short term hudna with hamas. It is of zero benefit to themselves and massive benefit to Hamas.

Like others, he probably want Palestinians to remain perpetual victims, for this gives Israel haters the ability to do what they do best - hate Israel. So, peace between Hamas and Israel does not play well with them.

I was effectively parodying your post.

He has no idea what he wants, give him a few days to digest what we said all along, Hamas will eventually have to come in terms with Israel - shame on all the lives they sacrificed this far, and Israel isnt about to disappear....

Its funny to see how ppl are "programmed", peace, co-existance or any kind of agreement is BAD because it gives Israel some breathing space and they call us warmongers

The second its gets cancelled they'll jump again accusing Israel of failing it even thou they were against it themselves. Europe may have cleansed itself from official Gov' anti-sematism but unleashing its radical left socialist-anarchists at Israel is one of their lowest attacks..

So, Hamas is entering into a peace agreement with Israel thereby "pouring gasoline down Arabic throats, setting them on fire"? Eloquently put for sure, but how again does it make Israel vilian? Should have Israel refuse peace with Gaza? Palestinians seem to believe so, and so do you

At the cost of $3mln apiece, were Hamas not spending these money on tunnels, they would have better electricity supply. And reduced IQ usually is a result of inbreeding.

My heart is bleeding... NOT!

Oh I see, that's what explains the fact that Israel supporters in this thread are cheering for truce with Hamas, skeptical as we may be, while self-proclaimed Palestinian advocates are conspicuously quiet at best or spewing venom and hatred at worst. Thanks pal for proving my point.

Its a cease fire propossal, can we enjoy 24h of fantasy before it gets canceled ?

I hate to tell you this but PLO objection to this deal is because they do want to continue the same pressure you oppose on Gaza, they want to show only Abu Mazen can strike deals with Israel, so what are you in favor of ?

For self proclaimed Israel supporters it's all about the bigotry and persecution and nothing else.

OK, that's inaccurate.

It's also about pouring gasoline down Arabic throats, setting them on fire, and then faking outrage to a gullible 'international community' whilst at home the fascists openly march on the streets braying for more of the same.

Gazans do not get peace for peace. Gazans get hell for peace. 100,000 homeless, power shortages make it difficult to even do operations, safe water is hard to find, the entire population is traumatised especially children. A significant number of the children now suffer from low growth due to malnutrition = something which can never be corrected and will in adulthood result in reduced IQ. Even new born babies are harmed by anemia by the siege
http://www.imemc.org/article/55049

Gaza is a warehouse for human beings to suffer in until Israel believes that the west has become sufficiently neo Nazi that it can commit mass murder/forceful expulsion from there and the sad thing is it may not be too long till we are.

The supposed deal with Gaza is to finalise the division of Palestine begun with the Israeli withdrawal and stop a proper solution for the Palestinians.

Israelis do not want Gazan workers any more.
They can go work in Egypt if they want, but they are not welcome in Israel anymore.

Gazan will get peace for peace. If they want war, Israel will react accordingly.
All this Turkey talk is just wishful thinking, nothing to do with Israel.

What tax port ? you are making things up, if its Gaza port Hamas will collect taxes, btw, they already do for any incoming supplies from Israel.

Israel already has more than enough cheap labor, hundreds of thousands laborers from South-East Asia, the Phillipines etc, Israel can have half of Africa if it wanted to. It's win-win for the Palestinians but it's not what it's all about is it? For self-proclaimed pro-Palestinian supporters it's all about the elimination of Israel and nothing else.

Cheap labor for the Israelis, and high import taxes to Gaza via 2 tax ports before anything reaches Gaza.

Win win for the Israelis.

The absense of cheering excited "peace-loving" pro-Palestinian advocates aka (Israel hate mob) in this thread is also noted.

Sadly, I have very little faith in Hamas... Someone will fire rocket then another, Israel will proportionately retaliate. Rinse, repeat. Bye, bye Gaza seaport.

I hope I'm wrong.

You are right but Hamas is not agreeing to peace, it's offering hudna - a long term truce on conditions hopefully acceptable to Israel. Their original demand (a few years ago) was hudna in exchange for full Israel withdrawal to 1967 border, the right of return and mass harakiri of all zionists on the planet or something like that Now it's a far more reasonable postion - truce in exchange for no rockets, no tunnels and jobs for Gazans.


Keeping my fingers crossed.

If it's gonna happen, bye bye floating but nonetheless a real seaport... No, I think Israel has nothing to lose in this deal.

I was thinking ...

similar deals are quite dangerous for politicians ... remember Rabin: he had killed by a Jewish extremist just because he was looking for peace ...

But this time I would expect that an extremist of Hamas could kill his own leaders.

The arabs rejected that deal.

"actually, he's a bit of a liar"

Sounds like you just described 98% of every politician that's held/ran for an office.........in this world!

Think that 's why many lawyers become politicians.

There will be no peace. Hamas is dedicated to the destruction of Israel and has proven, time and time again, that it doesn't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about its own people.

and your point is?

Yes indeed. However, Israel's security is always in Israel's hands and will never be entrusted to any Arab state or be relied upon their guaranties.

and yet the peace deals with Egypt and Jordan have been pretty good.

how about that

eaglerock , trusting Arabs with security of the Jews is an oxymoron.

actually, he's a bit of a liar.

but this deal looks good

None of these countries have access to the sea and never beatch about. Why should West Bank?


One group has been cutting off the other from its people. Its like stabbing some one in the eye and not expecting them to react to it.
If history has shown us anything,peace will be temporary and it will be back to business.

I have to trust Netanyahu - he always act in the best interest of Israel and Israelis.

The agreement is not bad and it looks sustainable. As incredible as it can sound, Hamas today needs Israeli support against ISIS and to stand the competition coming from Fatah in Palestinian territories [Hamas promised a lot, run a war ... and left ruins to Palestinians].

In 2002 the Saudi Peace initiative offered trade and recognition as well as a guarantee of Israel's security. The Arab world was optimistic and abuzz with plans to develop infrastructure and jobs for the Palestinians and Gaza.

yes, cause peace is such a horrible thing

This can only end badly for Israel.

the devil, huh?

Sure it is. But aren't you dancing with the devil (peterson33) to seal the deal?

I want whats best for Israel, and it looks like a good deal to me.

My god! rio3232 and peterson33 in perfect harmony? The end is near

no sarcasm at all.

Gazans want jobs.

Israel wants peace.

jobs for peace sounds like a good deal.

Not sure if your reply is sarcastic or not... don't Gazans need jobs?

thousands of Gazan day laborers in exchange for no more rockets from Gaza and no more tunnels?

sounds like a fair deal.

Long-term ceasefire between Hamas and Israel would tear Gaza away from West Bank for good, claims Palestinian Communist party official


Hamas is about to sign a “comprehensive” agreement with Israel for the lifting of an eight-year blockade placed on the Gaza Strip in return for a long-term ceasefire, a senior Turkish official said on Sunday. Details of the imminent agreement, reported first by London-based daily al-Hayat on Thursday, have begun to emerge on Hamas news outlets as well over the weekend. According to the reports, Gaza will be allowed to import merchandise through a “floating port” located 3 kilometers (1.8 miles) off the coast. An intermediary port will be established in Cyprus, where all Gaza-bound merchandise will be scrutinized by NATO representatives.

According to Hamas daily al-Resalah, Israel would like to see a larger package deal that would include the exchange of “live and dead Israeli prisoners” held by Hamas — likely a reference to Ethiopian-Israeli citizen Avraham Abere Mengistu and a Bedouin man who both entered the Gaza Strip voluntarily, as well as the remains of Israeli soldiers killed during Operation Protective Edge last summer — in return for Hamas prisoners jailed by Israel.

Israeli Arabic-language website al-Masdar reported on Sunday that Hamas’s leadership held a meeting in Gaza on Friday, specifying the deal’s details. According to al-Masdar’s unnamed Hamas source, Israel has also agreed to allow in thousands of Gazan day laborers through the Erez crossing in return for Hamas’s agreement to stop launching rockets into Israel and digging subterranean attack tunnels underneath the border for a period of at least eight years.

“This agreement is no longer just rumors or blabber, but will be signed any minute,” said Walid Awadh, a member of the political office of the Palestinian People’s Party (PPP), formerly the Communist Party, in Gaza. Officials of PLO factions, such as PPP, have been receiving updates from Hamas on the talks with Blair over the past month, he told The Times of Israel.
Awadh said that his party, like all other PLO factions, is opposed in principle to the deal reached between Hamas and Israel. The agreement, carried out unilaterally by Hamas without consulting the PA, strengthens the political divide with Fatah and will eventually detach Gaza completely from the West Bank and Jerusalem, he argued.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-israel-deal-imminent-to-the-dismay-of-palestinian-factions/

Well, Mozel Tov. Looks like the imminent long term cease fire is good for Israel and good for the people of Gaza, and it goes a long way toward improving image of Hamas. As for West Bank Palestinians moaning about not having direct access to the sea, i can bring several examples of countries in the similar situation:

Andorra
Czech Rep
Bolivia
Paraguay and must not forget all-important
Botswana.

None of these countries have access to the sea and never beatch about. Why should West Bank?

All in all, is a step in right direction. By the way, please take note it is Palestinians who are unhappy about improved relations with Israel, and not vise versa.