Topic: Hard to win against house edge in Aviator/Crash games (Read 775 times)

It may not be manipulated by the house but there is house edge so to speak. So in the long run, the house will win. To chase such edge, you can easily end up bankrupt with your funds. So if we say, you are playing luck-based games such as crash or slots, don't think that you will have your edge over the casino because winning in these games requires luck and good amount of bankroll.

I think one of the reasons why most of these virtual and crash games are pretty hard or almost impossible for gamblers to win is because most of those games are often manipulated by the house, they either increase the game's difficulty to ensure people lose more often than they win and if a gambler refuses to quit and keeps on going, even after experiencing multiple losses, he'll end up losing more money and he may even end up going back home with nothing.

I'm not saying this is the case for every casino, all I'm saying is that, I've been gambling for quite some number of years and with my experience in gambling,  I can be able to smell or fish out a foul play when I see one, and I can confidently say that some of these casinos do manipulate the outcomes of some of their virtual or crash games, even slot games too.

Not really just that dealing up with loses with casino based games or even talking about betting or simply gambling in general. Whenever you are on such condition about winning or losing a particular
game then the best thing to be done is on how you would really be that stopping yourself on becoming impulsive. You would really be turning out to be that too desperate on the moment it do happens
and this is why it would really be important that self control will really be that relevant on this situation. Trying to have advantage or minding about beating up the house?
There's no way for it to happen and you would definitely look yourself on such trouble because we do know that house do always win at the end.

Many people who believe they can win consistently from aviator/crash games are newbies who were introduced recently to gambling apps by social influencers, family members or friends. They are still fascinated by the idea of making easy and fast profit at the comfort of their homes. As consequence, naturally they will try their best to find a way to make it work, because it looks the perfect money making method or the opportunity of their lives.

However, it's just a matter of time until reality comes in charge and becomes impossible to be ignored. That is when they have to face the harsh consequences of their bad decisions. So they start complaining the strategies presented on internet videos don't work, call the casinos a scam and complain they have lost their entire funds.

Majority will just give up, while a minority will continue insisting and becoming addicted gamblers.

Yes, taking breaks is important for us gamblers. That way we can calm ourselves down and have time to think about our next move.

It's actually easy to win in Crash or Aviator games but you will have to control yourself and be satisfied with whatever multiplier you are planning for. Cashing out at the right time is very important here and so is the internet speed. Before, I had experiences where I cashed it out but I was busted because of my slow internet and I was mostly late by 1 second or less than that.
I made some good profit in that game but it's just too boring to play because it takes time before it starts and sometimes it ends too long if it goes to thousands of multipliers.

That will related to how they can control themselves when gambling because if they can control themselves easily, they will not chase the win and if they see they already win, they will stop at that moment and get their win money. They know that winning more in the next rounds will not have a big chance so they prefer to stop while they win and have the money.
They can playing gambling in the other days with another fresh minds so they can relax and enjoy the games. No need to chase the win in gambling games because that can makes them lose control and willl also lose the money.
A gambler will be difficult to beat the house so a gambler must know himself and not risking his money to continue playing gambling. Playing aviator or crash game depends on our luck so we must push the button to stop when we see we win before it is too late to stop.

That's why it's important for gamblers to stop when they've won a lot from games that are based on luck like crash games. Because a gambler can't beat the house edge no matter how hard they try, even when they come up with a strategy, it will only last a few moments, because in the long run they will lose more money. So when there is an opportunity to stop when you've won a lot, just stop, because that will be the best choice.

I know individuals who have developed an addiction to crash games. They got lucky once, and now the person is trying to repeat their feat, regularly blowing money into thin air. He is sure there is a strategy for crashes, but he has been trying to form it for quite a long time. I checked the channels of those "lucky ones" on YouTube who claim to have found a way to beat the casino; there is even a bot for this, but if you dig deeper into the comments of these bloggers, people regularly complain that they completely lose their money.

Hahaha, that will not be possible, no one can win the house in the long run.

One may get lucky at times, just as we see in other casino games, but in the end, the edge of the house is supreme. Your brother should have listened to you when he was winning and when the losses started, and he shouldn't have deposited again because it's almost certain he would lose the money if care was not taken. If at all he would try his luck again, it shouldn't be at that pressing time, he must have been emotional already and his thinking would have been clouded.

In the future, more money would be lost if he didn't stop or take a break immediately. So you are giving him the right advice, I only hope he will listen before he loses more money or gets addicted to it.

The last paragraph is a golden one
I agree with you, you can't fool the rocket, even if you think you did it.
The thing going for it should be the thrill of it.

That is right because any gambling games based on luck will need to have luck to win. Maybe the strategy can gives time for them to playing gambling longer but the chance of winning will not be high if they don't have luck. So playing aviator or crash needs luck to win and if you think you see the chance, you can close the game so you can take the money. Besides that, this aviator or crash game can make someone becomes greedy because when they see it reach some level, they may want to get more so they will not close immediately. That can makes them lose the money because of delay to push the stop button. That is what I experienced before in crash game and I lose my money without winning.

To me is like an honey trap
Make wins easily when you placing small amounts of missed a session due to Network and you see it going in the *30's
In the long run especially if you planning on doing a revenge game
The person is going to loss everything without even knowing
Aviator is something that's done in self control
If you enough stop and enjoy it before going back
And if you lost enough stop and think where you going wrong.
I know people that place quite big and close in small increase like 1. Something or two.
It works most time if they lucky
In the end a good strategy, Luck and the platform Mercy is required to make a great Net returns.

I think those who think that they found the strategy can be just wrong.
It would be a dream to know how to beat this game, and have the knowledge for it beforehand, but, it's impossible.
It's designed this way.

Whatever happens, the possibility of losing is very likely, my friend, during my gambling I have never found a game that can make me win in a row or consistently, often the end result is defeat but this defeat is a natural thing that happens we just have to be able to control ourselves by being able to accept defeat that is certain and as you said not to hope or be too sure and too confident because the end result is likely to be disappointing.
Well, what you said is true, if we don't win  we shouldn't feel bad at all and don't regret it. And I think this behavior is only owned by those who are aware of the luck factor and understand that defeat is something that is certain to happen.

don't forget that the crash game is a game that relies on strategy and luck, so because it also involves luck, it means that whatever strategy the gambler uses, the final result only depends on the person's luck, and the only one who will benefit is the casino since they have a house advantage.

maybe for some people they say that they found a strategy to be able to get some profit from the game, but again, the developer designed the game with a chance of winning that is not too high, over time the gamblers who play the game will lose more than they win.

It’s not possible to win against the house. No matter what strategy you apply or how you play, the house always wins. The games are designed in such a manner that, whenever you place a bet before knowing the outcome, the house will always win. In a crash game, it’s generally hard to determine the exact housedge, but yes, you lose all your money if the plane crashes. So it’s better not to challenge the house and gamble within your risk-taking capabilities.

The reality is that it's really hard to win on house edge, however we could potentially win when you're luck is there particular when bonuses comes. Don't take it seriously when you can't embrace winnings at certain times, one thing to remember is always having fun when playing games of the house.
Always consider your limitations and time management when doing such thing despite of how hard it is, because when perfect time happens for you; everything will follow. Don't get distracted with other numerous winners, they also struggle several times same with aspiring players.

We know that in every online casino game, when you are a first-time gambler, they will make you feel or just give you an amount that they know you will win with the house edge; they will do it. Their style is normal in a casino.

That's what the house edges do; they make it seem like you can beat them and they'll beat us, and when they see that you're going back and forth, they'll attack or come back to you little by little without the other gamblers realizing that they've already fallen. They are in the trap of the house, and in the end it will be difficult for them to get out.

Honestly I think at some point you need to move all your winnings to another platform. In this day and age maybe I mean just maybe the way they have these online games coded could possibly be programmed against you at a certain point. That’s just my gut telling me at that point, if the house always wins then you may need to play at several houses to become the new champion 😉

Well, no game is easy to predict but if luck is on our side we can predict and win the game. Actually you are right that's why most times we can not win no matter how we try to predict games, so in this case I would say that the only thing that can make a prediction to be easy is luck. Sometimes we just pick up some random games and we end up winning because luck is on our side that day.

Is there any game that's actually easy to predict? Probably not, and crash games are no exception to this rule. We need to understand that no matter what we do, if it's not our turn, we're not going to win. I lost three or four rounds of Crash in a row, all crashing right off the bat. I thought it was safe to assume that the next run wasn't going to be a flop, right? It made sense; even if you weight in probabilities, it wouldn't sound unreasonable; however, as I mentioned in my previous post, it also crashed immediately.

My point is that we shouldn't stress too much about whether or not we can figure out a way to beat the system; we won't. Focus on actually having fun instead of overthinking things that are straight-forward.

Yes because I think it is like that my friend, in any sense it is very possible to happen because gambling is an activity that usually tends to depend on luck, or it can also be said that when really good luck comes then you will get surprising results that you never expected before, and that is the role of luck in gambling even if for example you bet on low odds or bet with a small bet amount.
I remember that a few months ago I had a surprising experience when I played a type of casino game like slots where I only had $ 1 from a weekly bonus in my casino account which meant I had 5x chances to press the button with the smallest bet of $ 0.20, and it turned out I managed to get a free bonus spin and what was even more surprising was that I managed to win maxwin which amounted to approximately $ 65, and this was really surprising.

The last one, yes, as I said before and you have repeated it correctly my friend, the most important thing is that we must always be able to make wise decisions, namely by cashing out at the right time, this is the best approach in gambling which indirectly means that you appreciate the luck that comes to help you.

Crash games like aviator for instance is difficult to predict, even if we were able to guest the next round am it happened as we once thought about, that's probably because we are lucky. Actually if the we are able to win or retrieve what we have lost previously on the next round there is a possibility that we can still lose that we won. One shouldn't be too certain about the next result because it might not end as expected.
I agreed with what you have said. Our success is totally depends on luck, so that's the number one thing we should know as a gambler, so that even if we didn't win we will not feel bad at all.

I agree. You should just stay in line and not lose yourself either from the money spent or the success to come. And don't put your expectations too high. It's like these games have ears for sorts for that thing, emotions and expectations, and they break them immediately if they have an opportunity

It is clear that your brother was a showstopper with the Crash/Aviator game, and that is amazing on your part to have noticed it. The truth about such games is that they are for home entertainment, meaning over time, the difficulty level set is usually according to the player's discretion. While luck can create short-term successes, the home side ensures that in the longer run, the gambler or gambler tends to rank higher in the analysis.

With these kinds of games, such as Crash or Aviator, strategy can't change the very basics since most are based on luck. The wins in the short term give a false kind of security that the "secret" has been found, or their luck will continue to grow. Results can be much riskier behavior, such as heavy gambling in attempts to lose and often ending up with big losses.

Worth noting importantly, it should be in the ways of structuring the house to profit from such games, and not by those playing them. Sometimes, the euphoria of winning may be so deceiving one must, therefore, approach such games with caution and a lot of restraint. It is well advised to deduct the initial deposit and any winnings, as you said, and avoid trying to chase losses.


I totally agree with you, that after all, in gambling, decisions depend on the player's self, and it is really true that even in poor odds, surprising results may come out. One could win big in small, low-odds, or small bets, which is enjoyable and tempting. But the bottom line is responsible gambling. That is, bet only what you can lose and remember your bank account.

As you said, if you can win, it would be wise to cash in and retire. Being excited in victory and staying away from the game will help you realize what you lost or overindulge in the excessive excitement. A kind of self-discipline and mindfulness is key to the optimal satisfaction.

All decisions are in the hands of the gamblers regardless of whether they want to stop or continue when they see that the chances of winning are low. There are so many surprising things  that can happen and be experienced by gamblers when they run a session, even though the chances of winning are low or for example the amount of bets you allocate is small but it does not mean you can't get a big win, because when really good luck comes then the surprising thing is very possible for you to get as told by OP in a short time.
I think the point is regardless of the size of the chances of winning the most important thing is to pay  attention to the amount of money you bet, in the sense of not betting an amount that you can't afford to lose, and also as you said in your last paragraph that when we manage to win any amount the point is we must be able to cash out that amount and stop for a while while enjoying the winnings, that's a wise approach to gambling.

I had to quit that game because the chances of winning are very low, it's quite funny and surprising that you can make more than 100 thousand naira in less than 3 minutes with less than ten percent of that amount, easy to and also easy to lose. It doesn't matter who wins in this game the house is always in profit, if you manage to win somehow the best thing to do is to run away for a couple of months, if you keep trying to push your luck you might lose your winnings and even your the last card in your bank account

With one of these games that is still included in gambling, of course it is difficult to beat the dealer, even, not only for this game but in all types of games, I think it is equally difficult to beat the dealer. So indeed all gambling games have similarities that cannot be changed, namely that players only have a small chance of winning, so it is not surprising that it is difficult to beat the dealer who has power over everything except luck that favors the player. In addition, with other games that usually require skills, it is the same in the end, luck will make players win. So the victory in gambling depends on the luck that exists.

Casinos are built on computed risk and statistical advantage. Every game, however, provides a chance for strategy even one set against you. It's about under pressure decision-making, not only about chance. A losing run: how do you manage it? Could you spot trends? Do you modify or intensify your effort on a failing plan?

Though it's a dynamic environment rather than a stationary one, your "house" analogy is perceptive. Every visit to the casino, every hand played exposes fresh aspects of the game, your opponent, and most importantly, yourself. Winning is about recognizing the odds rather than only about surpassing them. It's about self-awareness, discipline, and the capacity to negotiate a system meant to profit on human psyche. The true victory is in your control over your own impulses and reactions, not in the chips you pay out

This is the greatness of casinos in building a system, although basically a gambler for example has managed to achieve a number of wins but that does not mean that the casino has given the amount of winnings permanently to the gambler, because the casino already knows that there is something that must first be passed by the gamblers when they succeed in achieving a number of wins such as greed and the casino also knows that gamblers tend to always have difficulty ignoring this greed when they are in a happy situation, and it is proven in most cases instead of cashing out but the gamblers actually apply greed in the hope of getting a larger amount.

Even though it is clearly nothing more than a hallucination, or what is meant by a much bigger win is nothing more than a shadow without certainty and in the end yes they lose all the winnings they have previously obtained. In this case I think something we must do is maintain awareness and understanding that something that works now does not mean it will also work in the future, especially if we talk about gambling which is nothing more than a game of probability.

As far as I know, accident games in general and in essence are often said by accident game lovers, the mechanics of Aviator 1x to xxx are often felt and said to be game dynamics that have high risks and are also one of the games with high prizes, your winnings are very much determined on airplanes by strengthening high percentage numbers.

From my experience in the Crash/Aviator game, maybe I have been on average when I entered the gambling site, placed a bet for the game for a few minutes, but I have never won the highest number, talking about the bookie, I don't want to say unpleasant things.
But there is an interesting experience that I have read about the game Crash/Aviator, if you want to read you can see it here: Is Aviator a real money game?, Maybe it could be an insight for you into the dealer's behavior towards the Crash/Aviator game.

Correct, not only casino game but even sports book is very hard to beat unless you have a very good analysis skills which is not available to everyone. The only way to beat the house is to have an extremely luck to win early huge win before the house edge kicks in on your game.


Not entirely true to everyone because a gambler that doesn’t have good knowledge on sports is just like betting with casino games that relies only on luck to pick the right team based on the higher percentage of winning given by the odds. Sports betting house edge sometimes high on lower league matches since they lower odds and bet limit to avoid beating the house.

Whenever it comes to casinos games, I have never been of the opinion that we try beating the house because the default of such games is always against the gamblers and only when you are lucky you get to beat the house on few occasions and it has actually nothing to do with your skills, the game are dynamic such that they are been changed almost every minute so the chances for the gamblers continually remain slim, personal I think it will be  better having fun around the house casino games.

If you want to gamble for money its best to strategically approach the regular games which are sports game wherein the house has got almost no influence on them, if you are really strategic about it and have go got some perfect statical analytical skills, you may build for yourself and advantage when it comes to sports games that are not completely influenced by the house but for the casino games be rest assured your chances always remains small.

That's why I don't introduce my friends or relatives to gambling or even crypto, because chances are that your initial suggestion will convince them to start playing/trading but they won't hear you when you warn them about the red lines they cross.


Yes, you can definitely beat the house if you are lucky enough. In fact, out of thousands of players, certain percentage will consistently win, that's how luck works. Of course, the more they play, the higher the chances to lose, but there will be always an exception who keeps making profit.

But that's all, pure luck. No delusional strategies here, no magical skills. Like in many other games: you get fun = you play / you start losing and stop having fun = you quit. Don't overcomplicate things so simple.

I wanted to share a strategy that's helped me achieve the best house edge in Crash games.
It's not foolproof after all, Crash is a luck-based game but when it works, it can net you some big profits.

Key Requirement: First, you need to play on a Crash game that allows multiple bets in a single round. Examples of platforms that offer this feature include Rollbit, Gamdom, and CSGO500.

The Strategy: Multiple Small Bets: Start by placing several small bets, ranging from $0.60 to $1.50. One Big Bet: If you feel confident, place a larger bet, between $5 and $10.

Cash Out Early: For the big bet, aim to cash out early, ideally when the multiplier is between 2x and 5x.

Hold for Higher Multipliers: For the smaller bets, hold on and aim for a higher multiplier—15x or more. Why This Works: When the game is "hot," this strategy can result in significant profits, even within just 10 spins of crash.

If you hit a multiplier over 10x, you're already doing well. And if you're feeling particularly brave and hold out for a 50x multiplier or higher, it can turn into a serious payday.
Of course, nothing is guaranteed if the game keeps ripping, there's not much you can do. But this approach has worked well for me, especially during those hot streaks. Give it a try, and you might find it works for you too.

I remember on one hot streak crash paid 5 times in a row over 10x multi, from 40$ start went to 1500$ profit just because I increased the bets a bit.

If your last chance of beating the game is martingale then you already lost sooner or later you're going to get 10-12 losses in a row and all your funds will be gone, and getting back all of them would require at least 1000 gains for 10 losses and that's just breaking even! Of course, one could try with 3x but it will be the same math, at first it will look like you need less funds till you keep losing even more times in a row.

No way applying flawed math to a predetermined game backed by math will get you any $.


It does go below 1.04, somebody tested the crash game with 1.01x, and still lost over 50,000 rolls.

Interesting case, didn't hear about it.
Greed can kill all the fun and your funds to spare pretty quickly, unfortunately. That's why we should stay aware of the temptations ahead of us and be prepared for them. Always. At least we should try

Yeah, martingale is worst strategy in this kind of games, so it's not advisable to used it. And I do agree, when aviators or crash games were introduced in 2018-2019 (if I recall it correctly), I also got addicted to it.

But I quickly fell out of this game and I will say I got bored very early, because one, it's hard to hit, second, at some point you have this mental fatigue and doesn't want to play this game anymore.

Exactly, when we find various things that lead to the goal of beating the dealer such as various ways or strategies or methods that we often hear, then actually don't get too carried away by things like that, it's better for us to return to the initial understanding of how the concept of gambling is, because in the end the dealer will always be the winner.

We are nothing more than guests who come and don't know where to go to the bathroom, bedroom or other rooms and what is in the house we are visiting because only the host knows everything, and it's the same as gambling, casinos that create, organize and provide games to be executed by players, meaning they are the ones who know the right way to get out by winning, and I think that's natural because after all this is a business that aims to benefit them, so it is impossible for casinos to leak or tell gamblers about the right way to beat the dealer.

Every game gets hard to win when you get hooked and play for hours. The way crash and dice are designed is that you should win in the least possible moves, even if that requires you to martingale. If you get to win in 4 or 5 rounds by doubling the money, you're all good. If you get so unlucky that you lose 5 rounds in a row, you're in deep shit. Unless you can handle that, don't play these games. Be aware of all the possible outcomes. At some point, when playing low stake games, you'll realize that you're in a lost position. You can't win, betting $10 or something like that after 100 games going back and forth. Even if you double your money at that point you're already down a few bucks.

He would have won against the house if he was smart. Your brother had the opportunity to go home with profits but he failed to understand how gambling works. The house having an edge over the gamblers is not only Perculiar to aviator/crash games, it is known in almost all casino games. In a game that is all about luck, a gambler that knows what he is doing will know when to stop. Gamblers who are so eager to win at all cost often do not listen to advice from anyone who is not in support of the way they gamble. Since they have allowed greed influence them, they should face the consequences.

First and foremost, we are talking about gambling. So it is already a known fact that you have no guarantee of winning in this game as most of them are based on luck. If you think you will beat the house in the long run, then, you are just subjecting yourself to bankruptcy. Gambling is one of the lucrative businesses and they have their reasons.


Employing the strategy of martingale or not - it is still much better if you won't chase your game by such strategy as you can be busted anytime especially if your bankroll is small. It is quite hard to predict the next outcome. It is always best to play on your extra funds so you won't be too hard on yourself if you are on the losing side. Do remember, this is a luck-based game and you will lose if you think you can beat the house on your terms.

Can you provide reference about this claim because I’m old time gambler but I never hear a news that a certain crash game never bust below @1.04 multiplier because even Bustabit and moneypot bust at zero payout.

A 1.04x minimum bust will give the game a +EV and no house edge at all. Maybe that user using some cheat or bug to make that story true since there’s a lot of exploit back then on crash and crash games.

Many of us here are not new anymore in gambling and even without a gambling fallacy, we also can go overboard most of the times thinking we are indestructible because we now have a bigger bankroll due to our early wins. It is only funny that we can still end up as a loser at the end and we are like a wet chick, crying looking for our momma . It is not only the loss is the ones that can trigger us to deposit money on the casino but I think it was the loss is the ones that can trigger us to deposit more money because there are still instances that we will now stop once we won, especially if that win is already huge right away.

Losing is still considered to be the worst thing that can happen to us. It make sense because we won't have any anymore that will be left to us. There are still people who consider it to be a good thing because they say that it was like an eye-opener that we are doing is not right. Trying to survive can still be possible at most times after the deposit is made. I'm referring mainly to being breakeven here. The only one that is hard is to try and win right after each deposit. It make sense as well because casino is a business and not a charity.

A gambler wins because of luck, but this never stays long. That is why we don't think about beating the house, or else we just make ourselves prey to them. 

Just look at what happened to your brother, OP. The casino just lets them win at the start; a usual thing happens to attract bettors to spend more, and it happens to me as well. But guess what? After several days of continuous gambling, they started to lose. This will tell us that gambling is all about winning and losing. If we are lucky today, there is no guarantee that we are still lucky tomorrow. We could just hope for it but never expect it because we have to understand that the house can never be beaten unless cheating is made. 

You can not win the house edge no matter any strategy that you think you've got. Like you said, you just introduced the two games to them for the first time and from how you have presented the situation, the both of them seems not to have had any experience in aviator and crash game but glad they did and now they will understand that one or more strategy can does not guarantee winning against the house edge. If actually anyone can win against the house edge, then there would have been lots of rich gamblers because even those that doesn't have the strategy will pay just to have it but there's no perfect strategy to win against the casino all the time.

Hard to win against house edge in Aviator/Crash games back then there is a new site called money pot I just forgot the name but its actually a copy of bustabit and most of the member here know about the site for their famous crash game and I saw people play just get out when the crash is at x1.04 and somehow he manages to always win and the site is never go down below x1.04 crzy right.

But based on your story your frenn just fall into a greedy loop and just tell them after he win please withdraw at least his initial deposit amount and say to him don't get greedy because it can kill your pocket deeply

I am not interested in any of these types of games even though some of my friends do it, but I did play it because I was curious. Without any calculation I entered and immediately placed a bet, it didn't last long the bet I made made me run out of balance to bet again I laughed because I didn't understand the rules of the game but that wasn't a problem because I was just curious so yes I made it natural when I experienced defeat because there was no calculation at all hahaha
I agree with that, indeed if you think about it I think it's not much different from other types of gambling which are indeed the same with the chance of winning is small and the chance of losing is big. it's just that maybe there is a strategy that can be used in this one game but that doesn't guarantee that you can definitely win, besides that it is impossible for there to be gambling that bases the chance of winning for players to be greater than the host or dealer. that is outside the plan of the host or casino.

I was previously curious about the Crash game and tried it several times but in reality in all the attempts I did I failed to get the expected victory, haha ​​this game is one of the few games that I have tried and have not been able to feel the victory.
I think the Crash game will be the same as several other games of chance where the player chances of winning are much smaller than the dealer, it will be much easier to play slots in my opinion.
Moreover, in all types of games it is very unlikely that player can have much greater advantage than the dealer, if it is possible then it is obtained because of luck on the side of the gamblers.

I believe that winning those games is always going to be hard. Imagine the number of times you could really take advantage of it if you always double your bet. It's hard, just for x2.

Unless you have more money to spare and you can martingale it, the chances of it always going your way are low.

I have seen players who always bet and use x5 as their auto cashout, and maybe there's a pattern that they are following. I'm not sure how they do it, though, but maybe there's a tell.

You can win only for a while. Once you hit the long term, losses are inevitable. And doesn't matter how hard you try and how much money you deposit to continue playing. It's never going to be enough. The more you play, the more you lose, simple as that. Your brother is a clear example.

The only chance for gamblers is to win a awesome jackpot on short run and then quit gambling. However, it's not through crash game it's going to happen. A decent jackpot can be won through lottery game, but only a tiny percentage of gamblers will be able to win, anyway.

So, don't put your expectations on it for a life change. If it's to happen, good. But if it's not, make sure you have another alternatives to thrive financially.

Winning against the house edge is possible and also impossible.
If winning against the house edge was impossible, then there would be nothing to interest gamblers to play the game and the house edge can not be greedy enough to program their games in the structure that gamblers would never win.

Gambling against the house edge becomes a fun of both sides winning to keep the balls rolling else, their the house edge would crash or gamblers goes devasted and pissed not to keep playing because there is no just profits of benefits to write am the games.

I see a game of vanity for which your brother paid with complete bankruptcy. I have often and not in vain always recalled the statement that it is not scary to be confident, but it is always scary to be overconfident. Thinking that he subjugated the game to himself, the opposite happened. Now your brother has every reason to become addicted to this game since his experience will always haunt him and the desire to repeat the feelings he experienced from winning. Take care of your brother, OP; he fell into the trap of deceived expectations.

This game is an infuriating plague; it was my first exposure to gambling via Bustabit; it also had an integrated faucet back then. I don't believe in any kind of strategy in this game that can beat the house edge; everything is completely coincidental and based on luck. I had three losses in a row, all occurring before the 1.05x multiplier; some even crashed right off the bat, and I thought to myself that there's no possible way I'd lose the 4th time as well; thus, I went all in with my remaining balance. Guess what? I lost everything, and it was the last time I played on Bustabit.

The only strategy I can think of, from my experience, is to avoid cashing out at small multipliers; it takes multiple runs to accumulate any amount, while every few runs there will be one crashing right off the bat, which is going to make you lose what you've accumulated in the past 5-10 games. Perhaps a more thoughtful approach is to aim at higher multipliers and hope for the best.

Well, it is often said that one good turn deserves another, so clearly, when a gambler wins a game, that is or was a good turn and he will surely want to try again to see if perhaps, the winning will continue, and this is a very normal thing if you ask me, since this is not something that is peculiar to the world of gambling alone, but it also happens around us in other sectors, like in the business world, you see alot of people go into a particular type of business simply because they see or saw that those who are doing that same business are all doing well.

How about those who were never gamblers, but just because they saw that someone close or a friend won big amount of money from gambling, they decide that they want to start gambling too, I was in this category or let me just say that this is the category I fall in because, I never used to gamble, but decided to start gambling after a friend of mine in my work place won a good sum of money.

Just saying this to let you know that the desire to play more games after a major win is a normal or valid desire, but then, it's up to the gambler to subdue this desire and put it under his or her control, or allow the desire or override him or her and cause him or her to possibly lose that which he already won before.

At times when you warn a gambler that has already tasted some wins in gambling they will look at you with the mind that you don't want them to be a winner or even a millionaire, some will think they are special beings that gambling will surely favour.

You just have to do your part, warn them and move on, if they keep coming back to you then they still winning or trying their lucks, but when they stop showing up then they have learned their lesson in a hard way, they are probably chasing their losses already.

Your brother is just one of them, those people that don't learn until they witnessed themselves making the hard mistakes.

I played Crash game in the past at Stake.com and I can say you cannot play that game continuously or it will get to you.

You gotta win and exit. Play other games. Tell them to also watch the bet of the players because it might tell how the game will end up. For me, if there are players who are betting way too high or someone is doing a martingale strategy then I will not bet for it. I will pass for that one round.
Then I am going to check the next game again and see to it that those high rollers are not betting too high. This kind of strategy though will take you too much time and it gets boring which is why I am not playing that game anymore. It's too time consuming but you can really win if you have good control on when to cash out.

In general, it’s very hard to beat the house edge if you are continuously playing since it’s a sure deduction in each bet payout win. The house edge is very small yet brutal due to its fixed application on bet.

There’s no way to beat it even in all games unless you will be early lucky and decided to stop gambling for good.

The only way to beat house edge is to stop gambling at all when you have profit since there’s no opportunity for the casino to get your profit through house edge.

Of course you can, that's what luck is about!

Three is a common thing here where users keep saying it's impossible to win, nobody wins but that's not true, people do win, there are people who are constantly losing but there are also ones that have made serious gains out of it, it's all math and randomness.
Sooner or later the ones that have constantly won will keep having lower gains and more loses as things get more equal to the median, and so will people that have always lost as they will finally get a few wins, all in all users as a whole will certainly be at a loss but that's not a general for every single player out there!


The house edge is not against a specific player, it's against all bets, if it were like that everyone would be losing from day one and that would be the end of casinos, what happens is that 50 lose, 40 wins and the other 50 see it's possible to win and they play again!

Casino advantage games are not designed to make players rich. But there is a very small chance for the lucky few to win big. However, 99.99% of winners will still lose their money if they continue to play after winning. And the fact is that if a person wins at gambling, he will have an irresistible desire to play again. He will think that he can win big several times. But at the end of this path, he will be disappointed.

Your brother went overboard for the lost of his initial profit he made in first day of his Aviator/Crash adventure and being at the end of his bankroll has tried to get at least  status quo in his battle with the house edge which is ^{(from my experience)} almost impossible to reach. Thus,  I would not hesitate to persuade  him out of  this adventure, using every trick in the book.

You were never supposed to try to win against house edge lol. Nor could you. You can minimize the edge against you but that's about it. At the end of the day if you continue playing the casino will always 100% profit out of you until you stop and only then would they actually lose out.

There were some instances where people won against house edge iirc BUT that wasn't exactly winning against it but rather trying to compromise with the casino to remove it temporarily since they were playing with a lot of money and were a VIP of some sort. So rather than winning against it, they just tried to remove it completely!

Also, I don't think your friend lost to the house edge, if that's actually a thing since we all do anyway, he just lost cause he was unlucky lol.

more or less this is the basis of ALL these kind of games. In the long run the vast majority of plays will turn in a ... loss!
More you play more you loss. There is no escape from house edge. Maybe you can have a lucky run and catch a good win but after a certain number of games total profit would be in negative for a slight percentage . This value is ... house edge!

I don't like too much these kind of games for that reason. More over I will try always to play games where "experience" or "knowledge" could in some way help.

For me, crash is the most difficult games in gambling.

You must have a strategy, so you will know when to stop. If you play for fun, I'm sure you're either stop too quick or late to stop. Crash is a luck based games, but the thing is even you've play it for many months, it doesn't improve your ability.

It's better for your brothers to play skill based games, at least the more he gamble, the more he understand the games.

That's right, his brother doesn't understand the meaning of House Edge and doesn't understand the difference between short term results in gambling and long term results. In the short term anything can happen, it may be that his brother comes out a winner of a session, but the more times he plays the closer the actual results will be to the expected ones, that is, the more likely he will lose. I hope this helps him to learn the lesson, but there are people who spend their whole lives betting and do not learn it.

The casino's house edge supersedes any strategy we might want to use against it, despite how much in profit the strategy might put you in the very beginning on the long run as you continue with it you're going to loss more than you earlier made in profit.

It's by exceptionally lucky scenarios that we can stay long in profit with any strategy we using in any casino games but such exceptions are seldom. The caveat is that we shouldn't take our gambling as a tournament against the house edge because you just can't beat it for long.

It is possible to win despite the house edge. You can actually make profit from a game despite it being designed to favor the casino. That's been proven by your brother making money at the start. But that is merely because of luck. It isn't because of some strategy that is able to circumvent the advantage of the house. That is not possible. You cannot cheat the house edge. If your probability of winning is only 40% while the other is 60%, the latter will always prevail in the end.

I love crash game, i personally love playing crash game but then, I try as much as possible not to play such game often, this type of games are in the same category with slot games, and like what I have said in some of my comments in previous times, slot games, crash, and other casino related games that deals with house edge, are all money burner games, that is, they are a great way for a gambler to burn his or her money, and worst part is that such game are highly addictive, this is why I trained myself to limit the way and frequency that I play such games, I do sports betting quite often when ever I feel like or an easy to win match comes up, but for games like crash, I only play such games ones in every blue moon.

Nah, that's why it is called "house edge", meaning they have all the advantage, and it you play that long, you are going to lose in the end. That's why the first rule is that if you win and win big initially, get out and withdraw the money and just come back the next day or just simple stop.

Because if you think that you can have the perfect strategy on a luck base game, you are totally wrong. Still boils down on your luck, and so initially your brother might think that he had a strategy to beat the house, but it was all luck for him. Hopefully though, he will have a change of mindset and not to deposit and then become a addicted gambler because he is chasing that win again.

You did the right thing about warning him to be careful when playing Crash and withdraw his money while he can win. But he doesn't listen to you and still playing that game which makes him losses.
As a gambler, he should know that Crash is one of the gambling game based on luck so he will difficult to rely on to his luck because his luck will not comes when he playing gambling. Even he deposit more money to recover his previous losses, that will not gives him the winning easily.
I don't think he can beat the house because we as a gambler just have to enjoy the game. If we win, that is because of our luck so we don't have to think to win much money because that will be difficult. You can warn your brothers not to risks too much money to playing gambling games because it is difficult to win much money in gambling.

with the incident of the profits that have been obtained which in my opinion have made your brother have full hope in the game until he wants to continue playing the game. the same thing happened to my friend where I myself am not too interested in this game, but with my friend he is very obsessed with this game. which made me wonder there was a group where it was broadcast live about the right time to place a bet and my friend also showed the game he played by placing bets according to the time set by the person who led the group.
at first he did manage to get a profit, but it didn't last long. when he had made a profit three times and the group leader just disappeared, I don't know what happened but what my friend did was continue to bet based on what he thought guessing the right time to bet as a result making everything fall apart by losing his profits and also his capital then he got emotional because of the defeat that had occurred.
in my opinion it's not just in the crash/aviator game, but in all gambling games it is indeed difficult to beat the dealer who acts as the host.

I mean, if your luck is exceptionally good, why not?

The problem is, how do you measure your luck? you can't, that's the thing. When people say they're lucky, the reality is, it's just faith. In hindsight, only a very few people will win life changing amounts and most people will lose. I wouldn't be too confident on getting rich and deposit big amounts much less touch my savings. Your bro may need to cool his head.

The last time I played crash games was in May of this year. I think I lost around $1500 during my work trips to kill time, thinking that it's a good game to win because oftentimes, I only target x2 on my initial bet and did not dare chase the high multipliers as they are usually trapping people into the delusion that a big win is upon them. I was making good progress on my first few weeks playing the game, and doubled my bankroll in between trips. Then I lost, got greedy, chased losses, and spent my allotted budget for the trip I only realized I was into deep into crash games when I no longer posted in this forum when I regularly do, and I am eating up my monthly budget in gambling in a day. Needless to say, I got owned, but it's whatever because I stopped and never looked back again.

Playing crash games sure is entertaining when you're initially winning with quite some good multipliers. Though I don't really recommend going ham on it unless you're Elon Musk or some other billionaire with a lot of money on your pocket. You can't chase huge multipliers at all times. Once you win big, or have doubled your money, you can just quit and be ahead.

I will say at first your brother experience something called beginners luck. Beginners luck is one f the factor tha normally lure people into gambling more , because after winning their first game alot of people will believe that they will continue to win , due to the luck they had In their first trials not knowing that is just a way to drag them into gambling more . And have also notice that the more you lose the more you loss the state of reasoning, that's why during losses most time alot of folks will continue to gamble recklessly hoping to hit the jackpot bit at the end, will endup with opposite result.

I agree it's hard because I don't remember if it's the same for Aviator crash game but at some crash games the house edge it's not the same for all the multiplier, it means you will lose less money in the long run for some multipliers, and more for others.

If you won the house, that means that you are lucky. That is just how gambling against the house is. I mean luck. But most of the time you will be the one losing, especially if you gamble more frequently. Know that I am not only referring to aviator/crash games only. I am referring to all games that you are competing with the house.

It's never possible to always win against the house while playing luck bad games such as "aviator" or any other slot games, because inasmuch as you may get lucky while playing for the first and second time, it doesn't mean you will always get lucky, because I personally could remember either early this year when "Shuffle" casino and "Sherbet" did an aviator contest, and I was lucky to have participated, of which I was constantly playing aviator and winning, to the point I got carried away, thinking I have found a working formula, not knowing that was the beginning of my loses, as lost everything, and since then I realized that games like this can never be mastered with one particular working strategy, as it always rely on luck.

So, it's nice, you were able to stop your friend from continuing, as he probably would have lost more money and risk getting addicted.

If I should dislike any form of gambling then aviator is one of them, all my moments trying them out has been a total mess now I skip the option while gambling. I just feel like the Aviator is not something I am quite fortunate enough to have more winning than loosing so I choose to avoid than keeping it consistent meanwhiile incurring more losses.

Aviator games are cunning, the first trials are most likely profitable which would intrigue someone into believing and depositing more, your brother messed his opportunity for the moment he had that profit is best he should have withdrawn everything, give the system more time before depositing again but he had his eyes locked in greed and wanted more. It's inevitable loosing to the system, they aswell want to make profits , so no matter the strategies deployed can never outsmart the sites to have more consecutive wins.

if you stop/quit gambling permanently while you are still in profit, I'd consider that as your win against the house edge, if not it is only a matter of time before you start losing those profits and end up depositing money to try and win again. As the popular saying goes "The house always wins", so if you gamble long enough you'll eventually lose to the house and be in the negative profit.

There are exceptionally days you can win significant money in aviator game, but the risk is way too high as you don't control the movement of the game and it can cut you short anything. The volatility in crash/ aviator games is high, that's why i only advised for people to just try their luck with any amount they can do away with and not put too much hope on it. OP your friend would have just walked away with the money he won, but that's the place greed had to take the a better part of him.

Spending much time on gambling will put you at high risk of losing and that is why you should not spend too much time believing that you will make profit for playing long. The house edge will always win when you are not satisfied with your little win and become greedy.

Gambling should be for fun and not to brag with on a sure profit because you will end up being disappointed after you have lost huge. If we are winning, it is because of luck at that moment and not because our strategy is working.

Some may have a strategy that works on crash games but also we shouldn't outwrite the place of luck in all of this, I have a close friend who approached me some weeks back to help him despite $10 into his casino account that he has a way of turning that amount into multiple Dollars in profits, I tried to let him know that he should not depend so much on his strategy but he assured me that he will definitely make good profits from that amount.


And in less than 5 hour's he refunded me back the $10 that he have made enough money to be able to continue with the profits made already, so for sure he made a way to bet small amount on each games and accumulating little by little profits.

Well it comes down to this and I think what I say here is mostly related to slots but in the long run it also highly agrees with the replies already given to you that you cannot to win against house edge. In slot machines for example people keep playing those high or very high volatility slot which are the worse things to play yet the people do so because the provider tells you that in such type of games you have a lower chances to win more often but you have higher chances to win a huge multiplier in a short amount of time, something I have myself proven with all my years of experience to be wrong, it is wrong as it happens once in so many years and I doubt we only make one deposit during such time interval, during such period we make a lot of deposits which make it vain even if we hit the max win so that is why the best advice given to you is that of you win when you stop.

games such as Crash or Aviator. These are designed so that they have a house edge which means that over time, players are more likely to lose than win.

Though one may at some point win big, the fact remains that one's luck rarely holds. Many a time, a player will keep playing, hoping to repeat how well they did originally and more often than not end up losing than winning. Your advice to your brother to quit while he’s ahead is good advice. It is too bad that the urge and addiction will make it hard to heed such an admonition.

Ultimately, these games depend more on luck than strategy, and the thought of steady big wins is a mirage. Best to be cautious and not fall into the lure of trying to outdo the house advantage.

There are few people I’ve seen celebrating their big wins in crash games -  it’s not as frequent as you’ll see in slots. Something I’ve observed about crash is that when you decide to just watch and not stake that’s when you’ll see the plan fly to up to 100x multiplier but the moment you decide to take part in it, it will start to crash at 1.03 - 1.05 multiplier, there was a time it crashed at 1.01 multiplier (and it has happened more than once).

But if you’re the lucky type you should be able to get something good from the game - but if you go there claiming to have a strategy like your brother did you’ll only end up losing you whole money to the casino. Remember casino games are based on luck, so don’t be too over confident about a strategy you tried that worked for you once because it might just happened to be a fluke. It’s not impossible but still it’s rare.

Winning against the house edge is a general term, more often than not, you will be at a loss when you play for a long period of time. You can have a big profit and quit playing leaving you ahead of the house, but usually you will be below break even after multiple games.

This does not only apply to crash games, but gambling games in general.

- Jay -

You win when you're stop.

Basically, your brother got "Gambling Fallacy" while on winning he think can beat the house and doesn't realize in the long term the house will always win. Remember, the house only just needs one lose to trigger you to keep the deposit meanwhile you need to survive/win everytime you are deposit.

In long term they house will win, your brother already lose before he lose the money cause he have mindset in gambling "I know to cheat or win against the house". That's how your brother lose before playing or losing the money.

A few weeks ago I told my brothers about Crash/Aviator games and after knowing about those games they decided to try those games and try to see if they get lucky or not. They played those crash/aviator games for a week and tried various strategies to see if they can win some money by betting on those games.

I told them that it's quite hard to win against the house edge especially in games like aviator/crash but one of my brother said that he's found the secret of those games and he'll show me that how he'll win against the house edge of the casinos. He made some profits in first day and laughed at me by saying "look I've made some profit from the crash game," I told him don't get deluded by that profit and withdraw your initial deposit plus the won amount, but he said he's going to win more and get rich by playing the game for many days.

He made some more profits with that money and was pretty excited that he'll make even more overtime, but suddenly he started losing money in the crash game but didn't said anything about the losses to me, over next few days he emptied his account and said that this time I was in hurry next time I'll win for sure.

After some days he deposited more money in belief that he'll recover his losses and make profit from the Crash game. I told him once again to be careful not to place high value bets but he didn't listen to me and used his own mind during bet placement and in a day he emptied his account once again. I told him to stop playing the game because you won't make any profit from it but you'll get addicted to it.

What do you guys think? Is it possible to win against the house edge of those crash/aviator games when your luck is exceptionally good or it's almost impossible to win against the house edge?