Has an exchange ever blocked your Bitcoins from Signature earnings?

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Quote from: logfiles on January 19, 2023, 05:27:58 AM

I am just trying to know from forum members if there is anyone who has ever had their bitcoin payments from signature advertising get blocked by an exchange, citing "suspicious transaction"?

Not a trading exchange but a custodial wallet in which you can trade your crypto to fiat directly to your bank account.
Yes, I've encountered it recently this year. It's called Coins.ph, a local crypto wallet that supports selective altcoins in my country(Philippines), one day I was surprised my account was frozen including my signature earnings due to enhance verification and asking for a source of funds. That time I used their Bitcoin address to receive Bitcoin from signature earning, good thing the forum has a google spreadsheet where you can check and has transparency, you can simply share with them the information on a google spreadsheet claiming where the fund coming from, and a salary as a freelancing job.

Fortunately, I got my account back but I did not trust them anymore, even though it's not my purpose to store them in a long term, only when I convert to fiat, I've chosen Electrum as a hot wallet, not them.

It's normal for CEXs now to ask for a source of funds because that's the purpose of KYC, to combat fraud and money laundering, every unknown source of funds becomes suspicious to them.

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Quote from: dothebeats on January 20, 2023, 03:23:15 PM

A local exchange did, back in 2017 because I didn't want to give them a paper trail of my finances. Unfortunately, I still have 0.2 something bitcoins in that exchange but I no longer want to deal with the stress that comes with fixing my account. They closed the account because they thought that the funds were coming in from a gambling platform (which it doesn't), and back then the country is really tight against offshore gambling platforms due to the issue of widespread fraud and money laundering. Until now, the balance is in the said account as I can still open it, although there is a notice that states that I cannot use it in any way unless I submit my financial records supporting my claim that I have the financial capability to buy and sell that amount of bitcoins in that account.

Kinda sucks really. Since then I started using Binance in late 2017 and never really had problems at all.

OMG.
That's a huge amount these days and I think even on 2017, 0.2 was already that big. Didn't you managed to file something with a help of an attorney for you to take out and withdraw that remaining balance of yours?
I know it's really exhausting when they're asking for something that you can't provide them but it's your balance that you've deposited to them and that's the ownership that you can provide to them and if they don't want you to proceed with the process, they should have just return it to you. These exchanges really sucks.

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Quote from: logfiles on January 19, 2023, 05:27:58 AM

I am just trying to know from forum members if there is anyone who has ever had their bitcoin payments from signature advertising get blocked by an exchange, citing "suspicious transaction"?

What was/would be your course of action if they asked for source of funds or proof of source of funds, especially if you were dealing with payments from a bitcoin casino or bitcoin mixing platform (since most CEXs seems to be no so friendly with bitcoins from such platforms) ?

I almost got my transaction blocked, because, in the terms of our local exchange, they prohibit transactions coming from gambling sites or online casinos they still accept my request and I promise them that it will not happen again, so from then on I use Exodus to store my earnings and wait for a few weeks before sending it to our local exchange, I never send directly from the on, or have never used an exchange wallet to directly send my earnings but its only on our local exchange but on other exchanges, I have no problem at all.

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Personally, I participated in more than one signature campaign for mixers on the forum and I had no problem sending bitcoins to centralized exchanges.

Because first I receive bitcoins on the Electrium wallet and then I send them to the centralized exchanges.

You also have to choose the central exchanges well, because this differs according to the conditions of the central exchanges, the exchanges I transfer to do not care about this at all, so no problem.

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Quote from: Coinomize.biz on January 26, 2023, 12:00:57 PM

Rather unlikely since we do not send Bitcoin from the mixer to our campaign users but coins from an exchange, i.e. normal AML value without connections to bitcoin mixer Wink

I appreciate the response, what a relief then. So far kucoin didn't notify me yet for sending signature payments to their exchange in the past two weeks so i can say it's totally safe then.

Quote from: ajiz138 on January 20, 2023, 10:39:34 AM

But I once pulled from the gambling platform directly to the exchange, there was no problem either, but I haven't tried this mixer at all.

That won't happen overnight, i remember my local exchange give sanctions on those accounts that sends directly from gambling to the exchange even though the date they send it were months passed already. That's how an exchange will do soon when they started to restrict its AML policy on their platform.

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Quote from: logfiles on January 19, 2023, 05:27:58 AM

I am just trying to know from forum members if there is anyone who has ever had their bitcoin payments from signature advertising get blocked by an exchange, citing "suspicious transaction"?

Never happened to me and not aware of anyone who experienced it either.
A centralized exchange may lock your deposit transaction and ask you to provide source of funds for multiple reasons but I doubt they will do it because it's coming from a sig. campaign.

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What was/would be your course of action if they asked for source of funds or proof of source of funds, especially if you were dealing with payments from a bitcoin casino or bitcoin mixing platform (since most CEXs seems to be no so friendly with bitcoins from such platforms) ?

I'll give them the link of the sig. campaign thread and the link of the spreadsheet where they can see my forum username and my address.

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Quote from: PX-Z on January 19, 2023, 05:43:45 AM

Never did. Although, i always use my non-custodial wallet to send to the exchange not directly from any platform ^{(e.g. gambling)} to the exchange, for prevention purposes.

What i actually think the reason why you ask this is because you are in a mixer campaign, well, same as mine. Tongue

We will see then when i receive the payment from the campaign since it will be directly from coinomize to my non-custodial wallet then to exchange later on.

Rather unlikely since we do not send Bitcoin from the mixer to our campaign users but coins from an exchange, i.e. normal AML value without connections to bitcoin mixer Wink

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Quote from: logfiles on January 19, 2023, 05:27:58 AM

I am just trying to know from forum members if there is anyone who has ever had their bitcoin payments from signature advertising get blocked by an exchange, citing "suspicious transaction"?

Can we assume from this question that it happened to you? And if it did, tell us the name of the exchange so that other members can avoid using it.

Quote from: logfiles on January 19, 2023, 05:27:58 AM

What was/would be your course of action if they asked for source of funds or proof of source of funds, especially if you were dealing with payments from a bitcoin casino or bitcoin mixing platform (since most CEXs seems to be no so friendly with bitcoins from such platforms)?

If you insist on using that service in the future (you really shouldn't), just tell them where the funds come from. Tell them you are part of a signature campaign and those coins are payment for rendered services. I think that should be enough to get them to unfreeze your account, so you can withdraw your money. But they will probably lock your account after that.

Quote from: |MINER| on January 19, 2023, 01:59:22 PM

I haven't faced any such problem so far. Currently I am using Kucoin for getting payment , And I have not completed kyc verification either.

Your signature payments go directly to an address owned by KuCoin? Why? How difficult can it be to create an Electrum wallet and be your own custodian?

Quote from: |MINER| on January 19, 2023, 01:59:22 PM

I think if you choose good exchangers I don't think any such problem is likely.

All exchanges were good before shit happened. FTX was one of the best, remember?

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But I would suggest that it is better not to keep large funds in centralized exchangers.

You should suggest that to yourself as well.

Quote from: Solosanz on January 20, 2023, 12:15:19 AM

I remember with this thread What Do Centralized Exchanges Consider as Taint? created by @Pmalek. If you look on this thread, there's many centralized exchange are not accept casino and mixer coins, but it can be solved if you send your KYC and other personal information to prove the source came from.

KYC doesn't prove the source of the funds. It proves who you are. If they were interested in how you earned that money, they should be satisfied if you proved to them that you are part of a signature campaign and get paid for promoting service X. Showing them the address where you get your service fees together with a signed message is enough proof. However, casinos want your KYC data, and they want it for other reasons.

I also suggest taking a look at this thread: [Blacklist] of unreliable, 'taint proclaiming' Bitcoin services / exchanges

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Whether I’ll do anything about it depends on the amount. Although not from sig camp, I’ve had my withdrawals frozen in a local exchange last year until I supply them with asked information. The thing is, I did not send the whole amount all at once and tried to split them. Thankfully, they halted my withdrawals at my 2nd deposit which was like ~60 bucks. I was too annoyed to comply so I just left it there lol. the weirdest thing about this is that, more or less 2 weeks after, I received a notification stating that my account is back to normal… I’ve no idea what happened honestly lol. But yeah, if you can, split them into pieces and ofc don't send them directly!

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A local exchange did, back in 2017 because I didn't want to give them a paper trail of my finances. Unfortunately, I still have 0.2 something bitcoins in that exchange but I no longer want to deal with the stress that comes with fixing my account. They closed the account because they thought that the funds were coming in from a gambling platform (which it doesn't), and back then the country is really tight against offshore gambling platforms due to the issue of widespread fraud and money laundering. Until now, the balance is in the said account as I can still open it, although there is a notice that states that I cannot use it in any way unless I submit my financial records supporting my claim that I have the financial capability to buy and sell that amount of bitcoins in that account.

Kinda sucks really. Since then I started using Binance in late 2017 and never really had problems at all.

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Quote from: Solosanz on January 20, 2023, 12:15:19 AM

From my personal experience, my funds never get blocked in any exchange until now, so I don't really mind about the original source where the coins I get from.

True with the same experience that any exchange I use never blocks assets sent from casino signature earnings maybe I assume this is not due to direct withdrawal from casino platform to exchange but rather from manager escrow funds to non-custodial wallet then on send to exchange.
That's what I did so I never went straight to the signature payment exchange, it's just that some of them also experienced the same thing without any problems.

But I once pulled from the gambling platform directly to the exchange, there was no problem either, but I haven't tried this mixer at all.

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I remember with this thread What Do Centralized Exchanges Consider as Taint? created by @Pmalek. If you look on this thread, there's many centralized exchange are not accept casino and mixer coins, but it can be solved if you send your KYC and other personal information to prove the source came from. You need to use Bisq or other P2P exchange if your funds get blocked, it make zero chance your funds will get freezed.

From my personal experience, my funds never get blocked in any exchange until now, so I don't really mind about the original source where the coins I get from.

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I've never experienced this, but I guess there was already a similar case before in my local. I cannot remember the specific details but it was also probably due to funds deposited from gambling sites which, as you've said, are normally considered suspicious by centralized exchanges. The same is the reason why I don't use custodial wallets when receiving signature payments from gambling companies.

But try to ask for the specific reason for the blocking of funds. And if they confirm that it's because they're coming from a gambling site, tell them you're not aware of it because it's suppose to be a weekly salary. You tell them that you have a work in this forum. That's the source of your funds. That's not money won from a casino; that's money paid to you for a job.

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Quote from: logfiles on January 19, 2023, 05:27:58 AM

I am just trying to know from forum members if there is anyone who has ever had their bitcoin payments from signature advertising get blocked by an exchange, citing "suspicious transaction"?

My Signature earnings go straight to my noncustodial and just transfer it to my exchange when I need money or there is a need to trade because of the market condition, some exchange has a term about casino transaction you should be aware of it and check what exchange will allow you to do this and exchanges will not.

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What was/would be your course of action if they asked for source of funds or proof of source of funds, especially if you were dealing with payments from a bitcoin casino or bitcoin mixing platform (since most CEXs seems to be no so friendly with bitcoins from such platforms)

Please check their terms if they do not allow casino then your funds are good as gone if you deposit or they will allow you to withdraw or trade by asking for understanding for not knowing the rule, it's better to always check the terms when dealing with an exchange like you do when playing in casinos.

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Quote from: hugeblack on January 19, 2023, 05:07:38 PM

For example, if you work in an organization and it is discovered that it is illegal, the money that was paid to you for your work will not be confiscated.

It depends a bit on where you live and what type of illegal activity we're talking about and the sums involved!!
Under the civil forfeiture law or which has led to a lot of weird shit and abuse as long as there is any kind of suspicion your money has been earned through an illegal activity they can seize it. So if you're unlucky, you will have to provide beyond a doubt that you have provided service without knowledge of the activities of the said company and you haven't been involved in anything illegal yourself, which might prove difficult in this context!

But not the case with some signature campaigns on the forum!

Quote from: rat03gopoh on January 19, 2023, 10:42:06 AM

I just realized that there is an exchange taking action against cheating behavior on bitcointalk. Btw, who usually reports it, and in what way?

There is no such thing, the guy woke up on the wrong side of the bed or posted after ten beers too many.
Probably copy pasted that from somewhere since I see in the modlog his reply was deleted.

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Quote from: logfiles on January 19, 2023, 05:27:58 AM

I am just trying to know from forum members if there is anyone who has ever had their bitcoin payments from signature advertising get blocked by an exchange, citing "suspicious transaction"?

What was/would be your course of action if they asked for source of funds or proof of source of funds, especially if you were dealing with payments from a bitcoin casino or bitcoin mixing platform (since most CEXs seems to be no so friendly with bitcoins from such platforms) ?

I'm aware of this because our local exchange clearly stated that they will block transactions directly coming from gambling platforms, so I have to send it to my non-custodial wallet before sending it to our local exchange, so far I have not encountered issues, its better to check the terms or ask support if they will block transactions coming from gambling platform, they will even confiscate the funds if you violate their rules, so awareness is the key for smooth transaction of funds coming from gambling platform.

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Quote from: logfiles on January 19, 2023, 05:27:58 AM

I am just trying to know from forum members if there is anyone who has ever had their bitcoin payments from signature advertising get blocked by an exchange, citing "suspicious transaction"?

I have been in a few signature campaigns already and never had any problems. No matter whether the campaigns were mixers or casinos.

Nevertheless, you should know that some exchanges - regardless of whether the coins are from signature campaigns - request a proof of funds for higher amounts. In particular, the European exchanges Bitpanda (demand even for very small amounts not bought on Bitpanda) and Bitstamp (for higher amounts ~10k+) could be mentioned here.

We have already had a few threads in the German-speaking board about users whose funds were blocked on these exchanges (especially Bitpanda) - if you can't prove where the coins came from afterwards, it often gets pretty complicated. Most of the time you get the coins back somehow (after plenty of emails), but the account is usually closed.

Just use DEXs and local Bitcoin trades to avoid any problems.

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The question is why are you being banned? For example, if you work in an organization and it is discovered that it is illegal, the money that was paid to you for your work will not be confiscated. If you work in a bank and it is discovered that it is laundering money, your money will not be confiscated, and therefore, unless the money that comes from the campaign signatures directly from the withdrawal address for those sites (lending, gambling, or mixing), it will not be blocked.

As far as I know, there is no signature campaign that requires the user to create an account on the service site and withdraw through them.

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Quote from: logfiles on January 19, 2023, 05:27:58 AM

I am just trying to know from forum members if there is anyone who has ever had their bitcoin payments from signature advertising get blocked by an exchange, citing "suspicious transaction"?

This never happened to me, but I almost never use centralized exchanges, or when I use them I only use those that work without KYC verification.
Bisq is most popular decentralized p2p exchange that will never ask you anything and it can freeze your coins, but there are many other non-kyc instant exchanges you can use.
I know about people who had some issues because transaction history of their coins had some connection with gambling, but there are always things you can do with coins using address management to avoid this issues.

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I haven't faced any such problem so far. Currently I am using Kucoin for getting payment , And I have not completed kyc verification either. I think if you choose good exchangers I don't think any such problem is likely.
But I would suggest that it is better not to keep large funds in centralized exchangers. And if you don't want to face such problem it is better to do KYC verification, moreover I don't think they will block your account for small money transaction of signature campaign in good exchangers.

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Quote from: ABCbits on January 19, 2023, 06:50:01 AM

Is there any documented case about this? I have doubt any exchange care the funds comes from service which spam this forum.

No there is nothing.

What the guy is saying is pure fantasy full of shit

Beside blockhain forensic tools, imagine if CEXs have to scroll the web to monitor spams... what is their definition of "spam", after how many messages it is consedered as such. Who they're to decide on a manipulation? That's not their job..

The guy is definitely a troll. I fell out of my chair

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Quote from: Eternad on January 19, 2023, 10:58:42 AM

In our local board. A local exchange in my country coins.ph blocked a deposit that came from casino. It’s not directly from campaign payment but he send the funds from his wallet to casino then send the balance from casino to exchange wallet which caused the problem since our local exchange refunded the balance to the sender wallet which is the hot wallet of the casino.

I know that this is somehow related to your concern since you are assuming that funds from campaign is came from casino. I believed some exchange doesn’t allowed deposit came from casino balance since some of their address is sanctioned by exchange.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/coinsph-incoming-transaction-rejected-5423879

The linked thread is not related to casino to exchange transaction but it was from yobit to coins.ph transaction which was a russian based exchange and the wallet is considered as sanctioned wallet address although coins.ph also prohibits such transaction ^{(casino to coins)}.
I replied on how coins.ph can refund his coins including the required details and where to send the details, but looks like it was ignored by OP for some reason.

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Quote from: logfiles on January 19, 2023, 05:27:58 AM

I am just trying to know from forum members if there is anyone who has ever had their bitcoin payments from signature advertising get blocked by an exchange, citing "suspicious transaction"?

What was/would be your course of action if they asked for source of funds or proof of source of funds, especially if you were dealing with payments from a bitcoin casino or bitcoin mixing platform (since most CEXs seems to be no so friendly with bitcoins from such platforms) ?

In our local board. A local exchange in my country coins.ph blocked a deposit that came from casino. It’s not directly from campaign payment but he send the funds from his wallet to casino then send the balance from casino to exchange wallet which caused the problem since our local exchange refunded the balance to the sender wallet which is the hot wallet of the casino.

I know that this is somehow related to your concern since you are assuming that funds from campaign is came from casino. I believed some exchange doesn’t allowed deposit came from casino balance since some of their address is sanctioned by exchange.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/coinsph-incoming-transaction-rejected-5423879

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Quote from: rat03gopoh on January 19, 2023, 10:42:06 AM

As far as I recall, I used the exchange deposit address for every bitcoin I got from this forum and never had a problem though. I also haven't KYC yet.

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Exchanges may block transactions from signature earnings on Bitcointalk because they are often associated with spam and manipulation. Many individuals participate in signature campaigns on the forum in order to earn small amounts of Bitcoin by posting on the forum with an advertisement for a specific project or service in their signature. Some people may abuse this system by creating multiple accounts and posting spam in order to earn more Bitcoin, which can negatively affect the reputation of the project or service being advertised.

I just realized that there is an exchange taking action against cheating behavior on bitcointalk. Btw, who usually reports it, and in what way?

The Theory they see is that the coins get out from the mixer going to the exchange which the exchange blocks it. If what they are saying is true, I think the possibility that your coins coming from DEX might also get blocked one day.

What exchanges might require soon is that coins going into them must have come from a regulated platform or wallet. Whether it comes from a casino or mixer campaign, they might just ask casinos KYC all even those with a small amount of BTC in thier account.

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As far as I recall, I used the exchange deposit address for every bitcoin I got from this forum and never had a problem though. I also haven't KYC yet.

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Exchanges may block transactions from signature earnings on Bitcointalk because they are often associated with spam and manipulation. Many individuals participate in signature campaigns on the forum in order to earn small amounts of Bitcoin by posting on the forum with an advertisement for a specific project or service in their signature. Some people may abuse this system by creating multiple accounts and posting spam in order to earn more Bitcoin, which can negatively affect the reputation of the project or service being advertised.

I just realized that there is an exchange taking action against cheating behavior on bitcointalk. Btw, who usually reports it, and in what way?

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I have sent money from the ChipMixer’s campaign directly from my original address to Binance, Kraken, FTX (before it went puff), and several brazillian exchanges all the time. I’ve NEVER had issues. Never was questioned, had a deposit delayed, emails asking where the money came from, etc…

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I can't remember if this has happened or not to me. But I've read before that exchanges are strict if the funds where directly sent from a casino/mixer to their (exchange) address.
So, I think this varies from the exchange where someone sends his signature earnings if he's a participant of a casino signature campaign like directly from that casino account to the exchange. If it's on their T&C then that's already the rule. I don't know how they track but it's possible that they've got the sending address put into blacklist and recorded if ever they've made a test.

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Never happened to me, although when i use CEX i prefer local exchange which might be less strict compared with international ones.

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Some people may abuse this system by creating multiple accounts and posting spam in order to earn more Bitcoin, which can negatively affect the reputation of the project or service being advertised. As a result, exchanges may block transactions from these earnings as a precautionary measure to prevent potential fraud or scams.

Is there any documented case about this? I have doubt any exchange care the funds comes from service which spam this forum.

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3. Technical issues: Transactions may be blocked if the exchange is experiencing technical difficulties or if there is a problem with the transaction itself.

There shouldn't be any problem the transaction itself since in general Bitcoin transaction is either,
1. Invalid transaction, which cannot be broadcasted to node/miner.
2. Valid transaction, with specific amount of confirmation.

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Never experience it myself, even though I participated in various campaigns in the past (most of them were mixers). I never mix my coins and just sent them directly to my preferred exchange, but things might change depending on their policies. If they ask for personal details more than necessary, I might use a DEX or do P2P if I need to convert my earnings to fiat.

Things might change if my government or the government where the exchange is legalized requires an exchange to block mixer transactions though, they might look for popular addresses and then block any tx related to that address. Either way, I think you can still mix or use coinjoin or just use other exchanges. CMIIW.

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Just use noncustodial wallet to receive coins of a signature campaign. But I have people that have no issue till today and they use exchange address directly. Even as there is no issue, I will advice you to use noncustodial wallet for it.

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This actually happened to me a few years back with Bitonic (BTC to fiat) and I think I talked about it here before, but I can't remember with which campaign I was at the time.

This was their email after I mentioned that the funds were coming from a signature campaign:

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Thank you for your message. We would like to receive the Google spreadshoots (and the address) you're talking about. I think that would be sufficient to process your suspended and future transactions.

IIRC, this happened back when KYC was not required (for selling only) so, I don't think this had anything to do with the transaction being suspicious. It was probably a procedure they had to follow with all of their customers.

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Never did. Although, i always use my non-custodial wallet to send to the exchange not directly from any platform ^{(e.g. gambling)} to the exchange, for prevention purposes.

What i actually think the reason why you ask this is because you are in a mixer campaign, well, same as mine. Tongue

We will see then when i receive the payment from the campaign since it will be directly from coinomize to my non-custodial wallet then to exchange later on.

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I am just trying to know from forum members if there is anyone who has ever had their bitcoin payments from signature advertising get blocked by an exchange, citing "suspicious transaction"?

What was/would be your course of action if they asked for source of funds or proof of source of funds, especially if you were dealing with payments from a bitcoin casino or bitcoin mixing platform (since most CEXs seems to be no so friendly with bitcoins from such platforms) ?

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