Hasty "Burial At Sea" & Other Baghdadi Raid Details Eerily Parallel To Bin Laden

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Quote from: franky1 on November 05, 2019, 05:30:14 AM

Quote from: Mometaskers on November 04, 2019, 01:55:37 PM

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1.so my opinion is he is dead. or they have the body of the wrong guy that just happen to be wearing underwear with the leaders dna on it.

2.withdrawing troops aint the end of the saga. now the politicians and lawyers come in and battle it out around a table with their weapons being paper and pen.

He's likely dead, it's just that most people really don't trust the US government to be truthful that many don't want to believe it. If he really is dead then it's a bonus if fans outside Iraq/Syria still believe he's alive. If they think they are losing then they might conduct more "lone wolf" attacks.

As for what's really happening in Syria with the US and Turkey, so many theories that it's hard to keep up with. Personally I think there's been a deal between the last two and that the US would allow Turkey to grab territories to a certain extent.

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Quote from: Mometaskers on November 04, 2019, 01:55:37 PM

Thing is none of us can really confirm if this is true or not. Until they release video evidence, I ain't taking this seriously. For all we know he could still be hiding somewhere.

Quote from: tsaroz on November 03, 2019, 10:24:21 AM

Terrorism is a good business. But this stupid president instead of finding new fields to engage is trying to withdraw US troops from every parts of the world which would have a negative effect on the multi billion dollars economy. But don't you worry, US would soon find a new president a couple of other terrorists.

LOL. I actually found it funny that they are criticizing him for withdrawing troops. I thought these people wanted "peace".

1. if h was still in hiding and free he would still be organising attacks and making videos. so th US definetly got him to even attempt to say he no longer is leading the nutcase radicals. .. whether he is dead or whether he is in some us controlled prison is unsure. obviously if alive an in prison eventually someone could leak it is a risk. so again US military strategy would only make a statement of game over he dead if he was actually dead.
so my opinion is he is dead. or they have the body of the wrong guy that just happen to be wearing underwear with the leaders dna on it.

2.withdrawing troops aint the end of the saga. now the politicians and lawyers come in and battle it out around a table with their weapons being paper and pen. the criticism is whether the troop removal is timed safely enough to allow the politicians and lawyers to do their job now peacefully without fear of death/attack.
this is where usually us troops are swapped with 'private contractors' and security personell

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Thing is none of us can really confirm if this is true or not. Until they release video evidence, I ain't taking this seriously. For all we know he could still be hiding somewhere.

Quote from: tsaroz on November 03, 2019, 10:24:21 AM

Terrorism is a good business. But this stupid president instead of finding new fields to engage is trying to withdraw US troops from every parts of the world which would have a negative effect on the multi billion dollars economy. But don't you worry, US would soon find a new president a couple of other terrorists.

LOL. I actually found it funny that they are criticizing him for withdrawing troops. I thought these people wanted "peace".

Quote from: franky1 on November 01, 2019, 09:33:07 PM

as long as there is no pilgramage site, no re-incarnation propaganda and no actual resurection stuff.. then the terrorist leader aint leading no more..
just let the nutjob followers cry and move around unguided rather then crate a focal point/temple.

Personally I'd prefer this to be the method of disposal for these sort of people. Make sure that it was identified by relatives, take DNA sample, and then feed them to the fishes. They don't deserve a dignified burial.

We had terrorists attack a city in my country. When the news mentioned (and showed) that because of the fighting their bodies can't be buried by relatives and are being eaten by dogs on the streets, I guffawed.

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Quote from: yazher on November 03, 2019, 09:11:53 AM

By now, they need to think of a new plan for their next so-called "terrorist plan project" they are good at manipulating their people to believe that they successfully killed the ISIS leader which themselves created. they think we still believe every rubbish they say, even if they come up with some no grounds statements. Thankfully we have the social media today, If we still don't, we may still believing everything they claimed.

Terrorism is a good business. But this stupid president instead of finding new fields to engage is trying to withdraw US troops from every parts of the world which would have a negative effect on the multi billion dollars economy. But don't you worry, US would soon find a new president a couple of other terrorists.

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By now, they need to think of a new plan for their next so-called "terrorist plan project" they are good at manipulating their people to believe that they successfully killed the ISIS leader which themselves created. they think we still believe every rubbish they say, even if they come up with some no grounds statements. Thankfully we have the social media today, If we still don't, we may still believing everything they claimed.

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Quote from: franky1 on November 01, 2019, 08:57:13 PM

the whole point of tossed in the ocean is less about tradition and more about if they said he was buried on land then that land becomes some pilgramage/ site for extremists and used as a temple/focal point to foster more bad moral people into the following of terrorism.

eg if us navy did mention 'burried at X mountain' that mountain becomes extremists version of mecca
but just 'burried at sea' means no extremist knows which direction to face and no way to visit the site. thus the body cant then be used as a idol/symbol for others

in short. the body has gone it aint coming back. extremists aint gonna find it. thus they cant congregate at the site. good riddance

I'm am more inclined to agree with your opinion especially on the "pilgrimage site" idea since these terrorists could have used it as a propaganda to uphold their cause! This idea might have been the policy of the U.S. Government to discourage any further uprising in terrorism to the point that after the U.S. operators have done their job on the ground, a missile strike was conducted that flattened that compound - maybe to wipe out any memories of that site and erasing any significance of that tragic event. Imho.

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Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on November 02, 2019, 11:13:17 AM

I believe the "rationale" the first time they did this with Bin Laden was they don't want his followers basically making a shrine for him. Which they reason will just make him look like a martyr.

Personally I'd also like terrorists to be disposed off like this, provided there was more evidence that the person was indeed dead.

The best approach to terrorism is just don't report details of the people involved. Don't name the leaders or show their faces.
Terrorism relies on that - creating terror.
With the obvious exception of 9/11, in general terrorist groups don't have the resources to cause major incidents affecting huge numbers of people. They tend to kill a small number of people in a very public setting, and then rely on the mainstream media to promote them and their agenda.
Same for murderers/mass-shooters who just want to go down in a blaze of glory. Don't report their names, don't give them that glory.

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I believe the "rationale" the first time they did this with Bin Laden was they don't want his followers basically making a shrine for him. Which they reason will just make him look like a martyr.

Personally I'd also like terrorists to be disposed off like this, provided there was more evidence that the person was indeed dead.

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Quote from: BADecker on November 01, 2019, 09:12:56 PM

But the question is, does he really sleep with the fishes. There were too many bin Laden unanswered questions to know if even he sleeps with the fishes. So why this guy?...

The notice that he sleeps with the fishes is the notice of his death.

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Of course if they wanted to kill Baghdadi but couldn't find him, it might be a good strategy to just announce that they've killed him, then wait for him to come out of hiding and say "no, you haven't, here I am"... and then kill him for real.
That does sound more like a comedy sketch than the sort of thing that would happen in reality, but the lines are getting quite blurred these days...

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Quote from: styca on October 30, 2019, 12:18:58 PM

Quote from: BADecker on October 30, 2019, 12:05:45 PM

We are being lied to so much that we can't even determine where we stand.

Totally agree. This is definitely what they are aiming for. The point of Fake News isn't to establish a new truth, it's to muddy the waters so much with so many conflicting truths that no-one is certain of anything any more. If they can erode all of our convictions, we become much more easy to manipulate.

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(see my last post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52929886 )

It may sounds a conspiracy theory but who knows. People make speculations since the significant of events seems odd. Of course no one knows what really happen except from the military.Their reasons on burying in the sea so that followers will not have markers for the slain leader which they can venerate. I find it a simple reason.

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Quote from: franky1 on November 01, 2019, 09:33:07 PM

Quote from: BADecker on November 01, 2019, 09:22:50 PM

That's the point. We don't know that he is gone or that he is history.

usually nut jobs would want to announce thier 'second coming' and survival. you know like a 'nah neh nah neh nuh nuh you didnt hurt me' school playground chant
nutter love to claim they done this or that or pretend they are immortal.

as long as there is no pilgramage site, no re-incarnation propaganda and no actual resurection stuff.. then the terrorist leader aint leading no more..
just let the nutjob followers cry and move around unguided rather then crate a focal point/temple.

no one should care or know and no one should care to want to know which sharks dinner he became.
just move on. mission complete, game over

That might be a good idea. Say, you aren't in the room across the hall from notbatman, are you?

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Quote from: BADecker on November 01, 2019, 09:22:50 PM

That's the point. We don't know that he is gone or that he is history.

usually nut jobs would want to announce thier 'second coming' and survival. you know like a 'nah neh nah neh nuh nuh you didnt hurt me' school playground chant
nutter love to claim they done this or that or pretend they are immortal.

as long as there is no pilgramage site, no re-incarnation propaganda and no actual resurection stuff.. then the terrorist leader aint leading no more..
just let the nutjob followers cry and move around unguided rather then crate a focal point/temple.

no one should care or know and no one should care to want to know which sharks dinner he became.
just move on. mission complete, game over

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Quote from: franky1 on November 01, 2019, 09:15:42 PM

Quote from: BADecker on November 01, 2019, 09:12:56 PM

But the question is, does he really sleep with the fishes. There were too many bin Laden unanswered questions to know if even he sleeps with the fishes. So why this guy?

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what is the gain or loss from knowing where the body actually lies..
its gone. end of. no longer of importance. its history..

That's the point. We don't know that he is gone or that he is history.

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Quote from: BADecker on November 01, 2019, 09:12:56 PM

But the question is, does he really sleep with the fishes. There were too many bin Laden unanswered questions to know if even he sleeps with the fishes. So why this guy?

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what is the gain or loss from knowing where the body actually lies..
its gone. end of. no longer of importance. its history..

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But the question is, does he really sleep with the fishes. There were too many bin Laden unanswered questions to know if even he sleeps with the fishes. So why this guy?

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the whole point of tossed in the ocean is less about tradition and more about if they said he was buried on land then that land becomes some pilgramage/ site for extremists and used as a temple/focal point to foster more bad moral people into the following of terrorism.

eg if us navy did mention 'burried at X mountain' that mountain becomes extremists version of mecca
but just 'burried at sea' means no extremist knows which direction to face and no way to visit the site. thus the body cant then be used as a idol/symbol for others

in short. the body has gone it aint coming back. extremists aint gonna find it. thus they cant congregate at the site. good riddance

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Quote from: Judge-Dredd on October 30, 2019, 11:52:39 AM

So what's the deal here, he's still alive? Media/gov lying about disposal is one thing. I could care less about Islamic tradition being respected when burying scum like this. The important thing is that the dude is actually toast as they claim.

Even video evidence can be manipulated. You have to dyor and choose what to believe from there. They'll only let us know what they want us to know.

They announced the Evil Guy is dead. I'm good with that.

This is called... "He sleeps with the fishes..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nyON_VDIhw

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I'd like to believe both of the Bin Laden and Al Baghdadi are dead. But there surely are some dots that don't connect.
The US decides to withdraw US army from Syria around 1st week of October and this starts around October 20. The US special force happens to be around Syrian army controlled area of Idlib on October 29 killing Baghdadi. No body to show. A conspiracy, the US army may possibly have escorted Baghdadi out of Syrian into Saudi Arabia.

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Quote from: BADecker on October 30, 2019, 12:05:45 PM

We are being lied to so much that we can't even determine where we stand.

Totally agree. This is definitely what they are aiming for. The point of Fake News isn't to establish a new truth, it's to muddy the waters so much with so many conflicting truths that no-one is certain of anything any more. If they can erode all of our convictions, we become much more easy to manipulate.

Quote from: BADecker on October 30, 2019, 12:05:45 PM

(see my last post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52929886 )

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Quote from: Judge-Dredd on October 30, 2019, 11:52:39 AM

So what's the deal here, he's still alive? Media/gov lying about disposal is one thing. I could care less about Islamic tradition being respected when burying scum like this. The important thing is that the dude is actually toast as they claim.

Even video evidence can be manipulated. You have to dyor and choose what to believe from there. They'll only let us know what they want us to know.

That's the point. If they only let us know what they want us to know, how do we know if we know anything other than fictitous stuff? So we vote for them on fictitious knowledge. And we pay taxes so they can keep on doing their fictitious stuff.

That's the point of the articles. We are being lied to so much that we can't even determine where we stand.

Do we really know that bin Laden is dead?

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So what's the deal here, he's still alive? Media/gov lying about disposal is one thing. I could care less about Islamic tradition being respected when burying scum like this. The important thing is that the dude is actually toast as they claim.

Even video evidence can be manipulated. You have to dyor and choose what to believe from there. They'll only let us know what they want us to know.

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So bin Laden wasn't killed and buried at sea after all.

Hasty "Burial At Sea" & Other Baghdadi Raid Details Eerily Parallel To Bin Laden Death Mythology

Quote from: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hasty-burial-sea-other-baghdadi-raid-details-which-parallel-bin-laden-death-mythology

.... especially related to the hasty disposal of bin Laden's body, claimed by the Pentagon to have been buried at sea within 24 hours (after DNA identity confirmation) "in accordance with Islamic tradition".

But according to Hersh's sources, there was no burial at sea given "there wouldn't have been much left of bin Laden to put into the sea in any case" as the al-Qaeda leader had been "torn apart with rifle fire". Instead, pieces of the corpse were "tossed out over the Hindu Kush mountains" by Navy SEALs during the chopper flight out of Pakistan, according to Hersh's sources. It was but one detail contradicting a broader Washington narrative meant to in part conceal the shocking fact that close American ally Pakistan had for years been hiding Osama bin Laden "in plain sight" — with knowledge at the highest levels of Islamabad intelligence officials — even as US special forces combed the mountains of Afghanistan in a futile manhunt .

And now here we are, days after another epic raid on another world's #1 terror leader's compound, with the exact same hasty "burial at sea" story from the Pentagon.

Episode 366 " Something Big Has Happened!

Quote from: https://www.corbettreport.com/baghdadi/

The Dissembler-in-Chief took to Twitter this past weekend to let the world know that “Something very big has just happened!” We now know that that something was a daring special forces raid that ended in the death of Osama bin Laden! . . . Or is that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi? Or maybe Abu Omar al-Baghdadi? No, no, it was Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi! Honest! We took DNA evidence before we threw him in the sea! Find out about the unlikely story of Baghdadi’s umpteenth death in this timely edition of The Corbett Report podcast.

Something Big Has Happened!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kn9cSbzzyA

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