But still, that doesn't answer my question: have anyone saw bitcoin(BTC)?
Has anyone ever seen their own face? How do we know its actually us in mirrors, reflections and cameras, if we have never seen it ourselves? That is the kind of silly questions youre asking again, i will stop wasting my time on it. 
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so instead of standing at a point of ignorance asking others to agree with you that you think bitcoin is like SMS. you need to understand that bitcoin is not like SMS by actually learning with the rest of people. by actually looking at bitcoin
He can tell his girlfriend or friend or family member to just send 5 through text message or chat so that he can use it to buy something. The fact is clear that he knows nothing about what he is saying, so ignorant and does not want to learn.I think he is only trolling, but if he is real about this, that means that there are many people that will miss in another bitcoin bull run after next halving.
btc is not SMS
YOU ARE IGNORING ALL THE SECURITY FEATURES
learn about signature proofs. learn about cryptography
then instead of making another topic to ask the same ignorant questions. try to actually learn
How do you know what bitcon is not if you have never ever saw it? And this is not topic about my knowledge but about my question: "have anyone saw bitcoin?"YOU ARE IGNORING ALL THE SECURITY FEATURES
learn about signature proofs. learn about cryptography
then instead of making another topic to ask the same ignorant questions. try to actually learn
yes. over the last 10 years i have read the code multiples times over
i have read the code of the cryptography parts and of the consensus rules parts and everything inbetween
heck many years ago i even rad the code in c++ and converted it to other languages just for fun and giggle of personal use
i have also read the .dat files and everything else in all of the data files
i have read the raw data format in binary.. and converted block data and tx data into human readable format
so yes i have "seen bitcoin"
i understand the code, the rules and the security.
the challenge is that YOU appear not to want to learn or try to see it. and instead be ignorant and avoid learning about bitcoin and ignore its security and structure and features. such as the mechanisms of the signature proofs that then allow ownership control
so instead of standing at a point of ignorance asking others to agree with you that you think bitcoin is like SMS. you need to understand that bitcoin is not like SMS by actually learning with the rest of people. by actually looking at bitcoin
Where did people get the idea that bitcoin exists, given all we see are numbers send to their addresses via Nakamoto's communication system? If someone sent "5" to me via SMS, and write "Porsche" next to it, that doesn't mean I now own 5 spot cars. By what logic did people conclude that just because they received numbers, and see "BTC" in their wallet apps, they own BTC or bitcoin?
I can see you are one of the anti-bitcoin we have on this forum, because right from your first thread titled "How Satoshi Nakamoto fooled the world" followed by the next "The Bitcoin paradox" and this very one titled "Have anyone saw Bitcoin", it actually explains the kind of person you are, an ignorant and adamant individual who is not willing and ready to learn what he/she do not understand. But do you know the funniest thing? Weather you believe in Bitcoin or not, it can never affect the price of Bitcoin. So the earlier you put that into your head and know that bitcoin is real, not a scam and has come to stay, the better for you.. The choice is yours
Fiat is evidence of liability. Liability of one is asset of another. But that's not the topic. I am asking, where did you people get the idea that you own BTC?
Where did you get the idea that you have fiat in bank?But still, that doesn't answer my question: have anyone saw bitcoin(BTC)? You and dealership doing something cannot make an asset called BTC magically appear.
It is called cryptocurrency, a digital asset. Can you see what is not physical? Bitcoin is digital but works like assets like gold, silver, diamond and all other assets that have value. It has limited supply of 21 million and if people are demanding for it, the price will be appreciating/increasing. If people are selling it, its price will be decreasing. Bitcoin was less than $1 like 12 or 13 years ago, but now over $20000. That means one thing, that people knows that its like assets, that people will buy and its value will continue to increase as more people are buying it than selling it. Yes I did. Electric money is representation of an already existing money, such as fiat. And fiat is representation of debt. And debt is an asset because actual entities have liability to settle it.
Now you. Have you ever saw money called BTC or bitcoin? If yes, where is it?
If you have believe in what are physical, go for assets like gold, but that does not stop bitcoin to reach $100000 in some years from now. Now you. Have you ever saw money called BTC or bitcoin? If yes, where is it?
btc is not SMS
YOU ARE IGNORING ALL THE SECURITY FEATURES
learn about signature proofs. learn about cryptography
then instead of making another topic to ask the same ignorant questions. try to actually learn
How do you know what bitcon is not if you have never ever saw it? And this is not topic about my knowledge but about my question: "have anyone saw bitcoin?"YOU ARE IGNORING ALL THE SECURITY FEATURES
learn about signature proofs. learn about cryptography
then instead of making another topic to ask the same ignorant questions. try to actually learn
The reason why we have never seen bitcoin is because it has no physical form but rather digital one. However, if your concept of existence is “ to see is to believe” then probably bitcoin does not exist on your world. The same goes to brain, as you and us have not seen therefore it also does not exist.
Rules and protocols for sending and receiving numbers. I can set up rules and protocols for sending and receiving numbers via SMS, email or Viber systems. And then claim that a person that recieved "5" owns 5 Porsches. Does that mean Porsches magically emerged in that person's garage?
What happens, when i go to porsches/ some car dealers website pick 5 porsches and leave my garages address and a payment method(that could be Bitcoin) there? They will magically get delivered to my garage(if i had one), but the whole process just went trough databases that collected numbers and letters.Stupid question. Have you seen any electronic money ever? Everything in the Digital world is just a number. Like you have a balance in the back, do you see paper money in your account when checking on your smartphone? But you can take our paper money. Why you won't consider this way? Bitcoin you can't see expect a number online, but you can convert it to money. You forgot Bitcoin had a value that had been backed by a large community. Although it's volatile, you may cash out it.
Yes I did. Electric money is representation of an already existing money, such as fiat. And fiat is representation of debt. And debt is an asset because actual entities have liability to settle it.Now you. Have you ever saw money called BTC or bitcoin? If yes, where is it?
Stupid question. Have you seen any electronic money ever? Everything in the Digital world is just a number. Like you have a balance in the back, do you see paper money in your account when checking on your smartphone? But you can take our paper money. Why you won't consider this way? Bitcoin you can't see expect a number online, but you can convert it to money. You forgot Bitcoin had a value that had been backed by a large community. Although it's volatile, you may cash out it.
Rules and protocols for sending and receiving numbers. I can set up rules and protocols for sending and receiving numbers via SMS, email or Viber systems. And then claim that a person that recieved "5" owns 5 Porsches. Does that mean Porsches magically emerged in that person's garage?
What happens, when i go to porsches/ some car dealers website pick 5 porsches and leave my garages address and a payment method(that could be Bitcoin) there? They will magically get delivered to my garage(if i had one), but the whole process just went trough databases that collected numbers and letters.
And your refusal to learn or do any bit of research shows you are a troll and not an informed one at that.
Enjoy your folly
btc is not SMS
YOU ARE IGNORING ALL THE SECURITY FEATURES
learn about signature proofs. learn about cryptography
then instead of making another topic to ask the same ignorant questions. try to actually learn
How do you know what bitcon is not if you have never ever saw it? And this is not topic about my knowledge but about my question: "have anyone saw bitcoin?"YOU ARE IGNORING ALL THE SECURITY FEATURES
learn about signature proofs. learn about cryptography
then instead of making another topic to ask the same ignorant questions. try to actually learn
Why do you think that you own bitcoins when someone put numbers into some database?
Its not some database, there is only one valid most worked chain, that follows the rules of the protocol. Bitcoins only exist in this one, thats how you know youre owning Bitcoin and not something else, like an altcoin. You cant just arbitrarily put numbers somewhere and claim its Bitcoin, thats not how it works, even tho people tried it before.Why do you think that you own bitcoins when someone put numbers into some database?
Its not some database, there is only one valid most worked chain, that follows the rules of the protocol. Bitcoins only exist in this one, thats how you know youre owning Bitcoin and not something else, like an altcoin. You cant just arbitrarily put numbers somewhere and claim its Bitcoin, thats not how it works, even tho people tried it before.
btc is not SMS
YOU ARE IGNORING ALL THE SECURITY FEATURES
learn about signature proofs. learn about cryptography
then instead of making another topic to ask the same ignorant questions. try to actually learn
YOU ARE IGNORING ALL THE SECURITY FEATURES
learn about signature proofs. learn about cryptography
then instead of making another topic to ask the same ignorant questions. try to actually learn
the numbers come to existence in a very secure way that actually costs people money to secure its creation.
the security ensure random numbers cannot just be added or come to existence via any other method or for free.
the transfer of the numbers can only be done in a secure way by the acquirer moving them to a recipient in a secure way only the current owner can move.
this then is the bases of ownership of value.
Suppose I say to you: "do 10,000 push-up, and after that I will sent you an SMS with this: "5 BTC". Do 50,000 and I'll send you this: "25 BTC". In such deal, the numbers would come to existence in a very secure way that actually costs you energy to secure their creation. But... does that mean an asset called BTC magically appeared? the security ensure random numbers cannot just be added or come to existence via any other method or for free.
the transfer of the numbers can only be done in a secure way by the acquirer moving them to a recipient in a secure way only the current owner can move.
this then is the bases of ownership of value.
Fiat has its monetary value because the government gave it a value and kept a structure to ensure it doesn't get double spent and printed by any random individual. As for the idea of Bitcoin existence, it emanates from user in the same peer network transacting through addresses and having a public ledger to prove the existence of those transactions. If Bitcoin were to be in a physical form it would have been manipulated, banned or destroyed long ago. The existence of its digital form gave every user their privacy and full control to their funds which Op should be grateful for
Fiat is evidence of liability. Liability of one is asset of another. But that's not the topic. I am asking, where did you people get the idea that you own BTC?
the numbers come to existence in a very secure way that actually costs people money to secure its creation.
the created coin is assigned to the winner of the creation competition where its secured to an address that can only be controlled by that owner via a security feature of very complicated signature proofs(which you keep ignoring/not understanding)
the security ensure random numbers cannot just be added or come to existence via any other method or for free.
the transfer of the numbers can only be done in a secure way by the acquirer moving them to a recipient in a secure way only the current owner can move.
this then is the bases of ownership of value.
the other features of what the system can do with these numbers and methods of transfer and all the other features then establish a utility people want that fiat bank notes do not provide them
people then quantify their own local personal cost to join the coin creation competition or if its easier or better to just buy the coin compared to their personal effort cost
the created coin is assigned to the winner of the creation competition where its secured to an address that can only be controlled by that owner via a security feature of very complicated signature proofs(which you keep ignoring/not understanding)
the security ensure random numbers cannot just be added or come to existence via any other method or for free.
the transfer of the numbers can only be done in a secure way by the acquirer moving them to a recipient in a secure way only the current owner can move.
this then is the bases of ownership of value.
the other features of what the system can do with these numbers and methods of transfer and all the other features then establish a utility people want that fiat bank notes do not provide them
people then quantify their own local personal cost to join the coin creation competition or if its easier or better to just buy the coin compared to their personal effort cost
Fiat has its monetary value because the government gave it a value and kept a structure to ensure it doesn't get double spent and printed by any random individual. As for the idea of Bitcoin existence, it emanates from user in the same peer network transacting through addresses and having a public ledger to prove the existence of those transactions. If Bitcoin were to be in a physical form it would have been manipulated, banned or destroyed long ago. The existence of its digital form gave every user their privacy and full control to their funds which Op should be grateful for
Where did people get the idea that bitcoin exists, given all we see are numbers send to their addresses via Nakamoto's communication system? If someone sent "5" to me via SMS, and write "Porsche" next to it, that doesn't mean I now own 5 spot cars. By what logic did people conclude that just because they received numbers, and see "BTC" in their wallet apps, they own BTC or bitcoin?
You are also trying to say the E-currency some government are adopting does not exist, this E-currency of some government are just trying to imitate bitcoin. You don't need to see bitcoin without the physical eye or feel it with thy hand, bitcoin is a digital currency that is why it is different from the fiat currency. Sending and receiving numbers is not making transactions. I could sent “5” to you via SMS and then claim that you now own 5 pieces of some revolutionary asset. Claiming in some text (Bitcoin Whitepaper) that people own xx BTC when a system sends numbers to their addresses after they invested electricity to keep the system alive, doesn't magically create an asset called BTC. Nor it creates it when electricity investors send numbers further. So, where did you get the idea of bitcoin being real?
You know that transactions made digital are intangible so you see numbers. That doesn't really make sense but maybe you're looking for those collectibles like Casascius coins that are tangible and visible.
I guess that will end the debate with what you're trying to confuse yourself with. Or with any other type of those collectible physical coins that has the value of bitcoins engraved on them.
I guess that will end the debate with what you're trying to confuse yourself with. Or with any other type of those collectible physical coins that has the value of bitcoins engraved on them.
You're a funny troll. If Bitcoin wouldn't exist, you wouldn't have created an account here. Good luck with that 
Then again: you're right!
This statement has proven to be true with the following response by OP on the above statements. Then again: you're right!
We cannot argue to someone like him so probably he is right. I'll be waiting for his own communication system that would have a Porsche on it. I hope to have those "Porsche coins" (shitcoin)
Why do you ask?
If you were able to answer this question, then from the answer itself you can come to a conclusion whether bitcoin is real or mere numbers. Where did people get the idea that bitcoin exists, given all we see are numbers send to their addresses via Nakamoto's communication system? If someone sent "5" to me via SMS, and write "Porsche" next to it, that doesn't mean I now own 5 spot cars. By what logic did people conclude that just because they received numbers, and see "BTC" in their wallet apps, they own BTC or bitcoin?
You are also trying to say the E-currency some government are adopting does not exist, this E-currency of some government are just trying to imitate bitcoin. You don't need to see bitcoin without the physical eye or feel it with thy hand, bitcoin is a digital currency that is why it is different from the fiat currency. Can you please answer the question, instead of repeating some random answers? I see people claiming to buy or own BTC. But all they can show me is number send to them, and "BTC" in their wallet apps. I can come up with a communication system that would have "Porsche" written next to the number I would send to people who would register to that system. But that doesn't mean they would own Porsches. So, why do you think that you own BTC, when you receive some number via Nakamoto's communication system and see "BTC" next to it?
You example is highly flawed, porches are an existing product, you cannot create a system to duplicate that. Bitcoin is not trying to imitate any existing asset or technology.Are you aware of how a digital commodity works? There are digital gift cards which have a certain value, there are assets which are represented physically which have a value as well, Bitcoin is one of such assets.
It exists on the blockchain technology. If you believe a thing has to be physical to be real, then you're about 30 years behind.
If you can come up with a digital system which is immutable, transparent, fungible, decentralized etc, that would equally be valuable.
Can you please answer the question, instead of repeating some random answers? I see people claiming to buy or own BTC. But all they can show me is number send to them, and "BTC" in their wallet apps. I can come up with a communication system that would have "Porsche" written next to the number I would send to people who would register to that system. But that doesn't mean they would own Porsches. So, why do you think that you own BTC, when you receive some number via Nakamoto's communication system and see "BTC" next to it?
You example is highly flawed, porches are an existing product, you cannot create a system to duplicate that. Bitcoin is not trying to imitate any existing asset or technology.Are you aware of how a digital commodity works? There are digital gift cards which have a certain value, there are assets which are represented physically which have a value as well, Bitcoin is one of such assets.
It exists on the blockchain technology. If you believe a thing has to be physical to be real, then you're about 30 years behind.
If you can come up with a digital system which is immutable, transparent, fungible, decentralized etc, that would equally be valuable.
Well, it's not about me being right on something. I am just asking you people, given you say that you own bitcoins, where did you get the idea that you actually own them?
Private keys.I see no bitcons. Do you see them?
Yes. Where are they?
On a globally distributed public ledger.I could put this: "5 Porsche" on a globally distributed public ledger. But that doesn't mean Porsches are there. So, just because someone put numbers on a globally distributed public ledger, that doesn't mean bitcoins are there. People can put numbers wherever they want. Why do you think that you own bitcoins when someone put numbers into some database?
Well, it's not about me being right on something. I am just asking you people, given you say that you own bitcoins, where did you get the idea that you actually own them?
Private keys.I see no bitcons. Do you see them?
Yes. Where are they?
On a globally distributed public ledger. So you want physical money? Great, go to printedfiatforum.gov.
I want an answer to my question. Nothing else.Why do you ask?
So you want physical money? Great, go to printedfiatforum.gov.
If it is real, where is it?
Have you seen the internet? Nothing has value in life unless people accepted it to have value.
Can you please answer the question, instead of repeating some random answers? I see people claiming to buy or own BTC. But all they can show me is number send to them, and "BTC" in their wallet apps. I can come up with a communication system that would have "Porsche" written next to the number I would send to people who would register to that system. But that doesn't mean they would own Porsches. So, why do you think that you own BTC, when you receive some number via Nakamoto's communication system and see "BTC" next to it?Where did people get the idea that bitcoin exists, given all we see are numbers send to their addresses via Nakamoto's communication system?
People accepted what Satoshi Invented and it becomes valuable.If someone sent "5" to me via SMS, and write "Porsche" next to it, that doesn't mean I now own 5 spot cars. By what logic did people conclude that just because they received numbers, and see "BTC" in their wallet apps, they own BTC or bitcoin?
Someone sent you number 5 in a text message, if you want to use it to buy something, they will think you are mad, but if someone send your 1 BTC, you can use it to buy house, car or anything that has value and still have change to collect. Well, it's not about me being right on something. I am just asking you people, given you say that you own bitcoins, where did you get the idea that you actually own them? The fact is you have nothing except numbers sent to you via Nakamoto's communication system? I see no bitcons. Do you see them? Where are they?
Stop being a fool.If you can receive them and send them and no one else have access to them, then they are real and they are yours.
Once you understand the logic behind bitcoin and why people trust it, then you will realize how real they are and all the things you can do with it.
If you want to believe that bitcoin isn't real then good luck with than and enjoy your bubble.
If it is real, where is it? Once you understand the logic behind bitcoin and why people trust it, then you will realize how real they are and all the things you can do with it.
If you want to believe that bitcoin isn't real then good luck with than and enjoy your bubble.
If you can receive them and send them and no one else have access to them, then they are real and they are yours.
Once you understand the logic behind bitcoin and why people trust it, then you will realize how real they are and all the things you can do with it.
If you want to believe that bitcoin isn't real then good luck with than and enjoy your bubble.
Once you understand the logic behind bitcoin and why people trust it, then you will realize how real they are and all the things you can do with it.
If you want to believe that bitcoin isn't real then good luck with than and enjoy your bubble.
Nothing has value in life unless people accepted it to have value.
Where did people get the idea that bitcoin exists, given all we see are numbers send to their addresses via Nakamoto's communication system?
People accepted what Satoshi Invented and it becomes valuable.If someone sent "5" to me via SMS, and write "Porsche" next to it, that doesn't mean I now own 5 spot cars. By what logic did people conclude that just because they received numbers, and see "BTC" in their wallet apps, they own BTC or bitcoin?
Someone sent you number 5 in a text message, if you want to use it to buy something, they will think you are mad, but if someone send your 1 BTC, you can use it to buy house, car or anything that has value and still have change to collect. You're a funny troll. If Bitcoin wouldn't exist, you wouldn't have created an account here. Good luck with that
Well, it's not about me being right on something. I am just asking you people, given you say that you own bitcoins, where did you get the idea that you actually own them? The fact is you have nothing except numbers sent to you via Nakamoto's communication system? I see no bitcons. Do you see them? Where are they? 
You're a funny troll. If Bitcoin wouldn't exist, you wouldn't have created an account here. Good luck with that
Then again: you're right!
Then again: you're right!
Where did people get the idea that bitcoin exists, given all we see are numbers send to their addresses via Nakamoto's communication system? If someone sent "5" to me via SMS, and write "Porsche" next to it, that doesn't mean I now own 5 spot cars. By what logic did people conclude that just because they received numbers, and see "BTC" in their wallet apps, they own BTC or bitcoin?
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