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Topic: Have casino ops come up with an association to address gambling-related suicide? (Read 750 times)
June 19, 2014, 09:05:24 PM
June 13, 2014, 03:30:36 PM
I don't think there's any gambling related suicide entities. Of course casino ops have no reason to try to do this, that would draw negative attention. I know that people commit suicides all the time at casinos but somehow (money, bribes?) they cover it up and it never becomes big news.
I'd suggest anyone with suicidal thoughts call 911, go to a hospital or mental hospital, or call your gamblers anonymous hotline.
I'd suggest anyone with suicidal thoughts call 911, go to a hospital or mental hospital, or call your gamblers anonymous hotline.
June 13, 2014, 03:28:07 PM
i know some people who need help. but more attentin you give it. more scammers will try to pull on your heart strings
you guys know how gamblers are right after losing paycheck
It doesn't have to be sending the person BTC to cover their loss (or to cover some kind of basic necessities after a bout of bad luck), though I get your argument. If you standardize it and just have basic criteria to take money out of some coin jar, you'll have people gaming it.you guys know how gamblers are right after losing paycheck
You have to get them through a day, though, it seems. 10% of those who threaten suicide eventually kill themselves, but IIRC, if you can get them past the first day of threatening, that %chance drops to somewhere much closer to 1% (can't find studies - maybe pysch undergrad can help out). That's obviously still a concerning chance, and surely there are things to be done to help after that one day.
I've noticed there's a bit more openness in discussions on this by those dealt a bad hand. Idunno if that's geographical or just through the pseudonymity crypto permits, but I'd guess some type of Gambling Addict type thing would be particularly effective where there are no names tied to the admission of a problem. I'm out of my element, though -- thanks for all the insight in the thread so far.
10% seems high, but I'm no expert in this area, guess it would depend on how the threat was made.
Agree with omahapoker about the financial potential of the threats through this medium specifically, but I sort of see it like allowing 100 truly guilty people free to save 1 wrongful conviction. There shouldn't be financial incentives through the proposed collaborative, simply attention and the required steps to take. From there, suicide hotlines would likely need to be recommended, as at the very least, there may be potential suits of negligence, no expert there either. It's a slippery slope nonetheless.
If bitcoin casino ops led this initiative, at the very least they could share experiences, then perhaps there would be shed more clarity on those 100% seeking financial returns and those falling closer to 100% serious about the threat and seeking help.
June 13, 2014, 02:24:39 AM
i know some people who need help. but more attentin you give it. more scammers will try to pull on your heart strings
you guys know how gamblers are right after losing paycheck
It doesn't have to be sending the person BTC to cover their loss (or to cover some kind of basic necessities after a bout of bad luck), though I get your argument. If you standardize it and just have basic criteria to take money out of some coin jar, you'll have people gaming it.you guys know how gamblers are right after losing paycheck
You have to get them through a day, though, it seems. 10% of those who threaten suicide eventually kill themselves, but IIRC, if you can get them past the first day of threatening, that %chance drops to somewhere much closer to 1% (can't find studies - maybe pysch undergrad can help out). That's obviously still a concerning chance, and surely there are things to be done to help after that one day.
I've noticed there's a bit more openness in discussions on this by those dealt a bad hand. Idunno if that's geographical or just through the pseudonymity crypto permits, but I'd guess some type of Gambling Addict type thing would be particularly effective where there are no names tied to the admission of a problem. I'm out of my element, though -- thanks for all the insight in the thread so far.
June 13, 2014, 02:12:42 AM
I feel the majority are not truthful suicide threats, but I have a hard time also understanding the whole announcing suicide to a bitcoin forum before you do it.
I also think cryptocurrency gambling is quite a bit different from people addicted to their local casino's. I feel like it'd be easier to gamble away your life's savings using a traditional brick and mortar establishment then going through the process of getting bitcoin and then gambling with it. I do have a harder time empathizing with online gambling addicts versus people addicted to local gambling establishments or taking trips to Vegas, Atlantic City and other cities around the world for gambling. If you have any information regarding gambling addiction and online outfits, I'd love to read that though.
I don't think any bitcoin online gambling establishment should hold any responsibility for fighting gambling addiction. Isn't also the majority of bitcoin in play through bitcoin gambling people who have had bitcoin for a while and/or mined it? I for one havent purchased bitcoin in a couple years, so I imagine a lot of us gambling bitcoin are gambling bitcoin valued at a fraction of today's value.
I also think cryptocurrency gambling is quite a bit different from people addicted to their local casino's. I feel like it'd be easier to gamble away your life's savings using a traditional brick and mortar establishment then going through the process of getting bitcoin and then gambling with it. I do have a harder time empathizing with online gambling addicts versus people addicted to local gambling establishments or taking trips to Vegas, Atlantic City and other cities around the world for gambling. If you have any information regarding gambling addiction and online outfits, I'd love to read that though.
I don't think any bitcoin online gambling establishment should hold any responsibility for fighting gambling addiction. Isn't also the majority of bitcoin in play through bitcoin gambling people who have had bitcoin for a while and/or mined it? I for one havent purchased bitcoin in a couple years, so I imagine a lot of us gambling bitcoin are gambling bitcoin valued at a fraction of today's value.
Well at the very least the current state of affairs is only temporary. Thinking about establishing an organization now is ensuring progress in the future.
There is much literature on online vs b&m. Online (and perhaps b&m) now have an added branch to the tree of influence.
Its good that you dint do anything moments ago and man, if you really take a break of gambling it wil be easy, and if you cant hold bitcoins without gambling then dont buy them.. the day after tomorrow you will find this as a quite lesson and you will have surpassed any temptation of gambling.
June 13, 2014, 02:03:45 AM
i know some people who need help. but more attentin you give it. more scammers will try to pull on your heart strings
you guys know how gamblers are right after losing paycheck
you guys know how gamblers are right after losing paycheck
June 13, 2014, 12:16:49 AM
I feel the majority are not truthful suicide threats, but I have a hard time also understanding the whole announcing suicide to a bitcoin forum before you do it.
I also think cryptocurrency gambling is quite a bit different from people addicted to their local casino's. I feel like it'd be easier to gamble away your life's savings using a traditional brick and mortar establishment then going through the process of getting bitcoin and then gambling with it. I do have a harder time empathizing with online gambling addicts versus people addicted to local gambling establishments or taking trips to Vegas, Atlantic City and other cities around the world for gambling. If you have any information regarding gambling addiction and online outfits, I'd love to read that though.
I don't think any bitcoin online gambling establishment should hold any responsibility for fighting gambling addiction. Isn't also the majority of bitcoin in play through bitcoin gambling people who have had bitcoin for a while and/or mined it? I for one havent purchased bitcoin in a couple years, so I imagine a lot of us gambling bitcoin are gambling bitcoin valued at a fraction of today's value.
I also think cryptocurrency gambling is quite a bit different from people addicted to their local casino's. I feel like it'd be easier to gamble away your life's savings using a traditional brick and mortar establishment then going through the process of getting bitcoin and then gambling with it. I do have a harder time empathizing with online gambling addicts versus people addicted to local gambling establishments or taking trips to Vegas, Atlantic City and other cities around the world for gambling. If you have any information regarding gambling addiction and online outfits, I'd love to read that though.
I don't think any bitcoin online gambling establishment should hold any responsibility for fighting gambling addiction. Isn't also the majority of bitcoin in play through bitcoin gambling people who have had bitcoin for a while and/or mined it? I for one havent purchased bitcoin in a couple years, so I imagine a lot of us gambling bitcoin are gambling bitcoin valued at a fraction of today's value.
Well at the very least the current state of affairs is only temporary. Thinking about establishing an organization now is ensuring progress in the future.
There is much literature on online vs b&m. Online (and perhaps b&m) now have an added branch to the tree of influence.
June 12, 2014, 11:49:49 PM
I feel the majority are not truthful suicide threats, but I have a hard time also understanding the whole announcing suicide to a bitcoin forum before you do it.
I also think cryptocurrency gambling is quite a bit different from people addicted to their local casino's. I feel like it'd be easier to gamble away your life's savings using a traditional brick and mortar establishment then going through the process of getting bitcoin and then gambling with it. I do have a harder time empathizing with online gambling addicts versus people addicted to local gambling establishments or taking trips to Vegas, Atlantic City and other cities around the world for gambling. If you have any information regarding gambling addiction and online outfits, I'd love to read that though.
I don't think any bitcoin online gambling establishment should hold any responsibility for fighting gambling addiction. Isn't also the majority of bitcoin in play through bitcoin gambling people who have had bitcoin for a while and/or mined it? I for one havent purchased bitcoin in a couple years, so I imagine a lot of us gambling bitcoin are gambling bitcoin valued at a fraction of today's value.
I also think cryptocurrency gambling is quite a bit different from people addicted to their local casino's. I feel like it'd be easier to gamble away your life's savings using a traditional brick and mortar establishment then going through the process of getting bitcoin and then gambling with it. I do have a harder time empathizing with online gambling addicts versus people addicted to local gambling establishments or taking trips to Vegas, Atlantic City and other cities around the world for gambling. If you have any information regarding gambling addiction and online outfits, I'd love to read that though.
I don't think any bitcoin online gambling establishment should hold any responsibility for fighting gambling addiction. Isn't also the majority of bitcoin in play through bitcoin gambling people who have had bitcoin for a while and/or mined it? I for one havent purchased bitcoin in a couple years, so I imagine a lot of us gambling bitcoin are gambling bitcoin valued at a fraction of today's value.
Well at the very least the current state of affairs is only temporary. Thinking about establishing an organization now is ensuring progress in the future.
There is much literature on online vs b&m. Online (and perhaps b&m) now have an added branch to the tree of influence.
June 12, 2014, 11:43:37 PM
I feel the majority are not truthful suicide threats, but I have a hard time also understanding the whole announcing suicide to a bitcoin forum before you do it.
I also think cryptocurrency gambling is quite a bit different from people addicted to their local casino's. I feel like it'd be easier to gamble away your life's savings using a traditional brick and mortar establishment then going through the process of getting bitcoin and then gambling with it. I do have a harder time empathizing with online gambling addicts versus people addicted to local gambling establishments or taking trips to Vegas, Atlantic City and other cities around the world for gambling. If you have any information regarding gambling addiction and online outfits, I'd love to read that though.
I don't think any bitcoin online gambling establishment should hold any responsibility for fighting gambling addiction. Isn't also the majority of bitcoin in play through bitcoin gambling people who have had bitcoin for a while and/or mined it? I for one havent purchased bitcoin in a couple years, so I imagine a lot of us gambling bitcoin are gambling bitcoin valued at a fraction of today's value.
I also think cryptocurrency gambling is quite a bit different from people addicted to their local casino's. I feel like it'd be easier to gamble away your life's savings using a traditional brick and mortar establishment then going through the process of getting bitcoin and then gambling with it. I do have a harder time empathizing with online gambling addicts versus people addicted to local gambling establishments or taking trips to Vegas, Atlantic City and other cities around the world for gambling. If you have any information regarding gambling addiction and online outfits, I'd love to read that though.
I don't think any bitcoin online gambling establishment should hold any responsibility for fighting gambling addiction. Isn't also the majority of bitcoin in play through bitcoin gambling people who have had bitcoin for a while and/or mined it? I for one havent purchased bitcoin in a couple years, so I imagine a lot of us gambling bitcoin are gambling bitcoin valued at a fraction of today's value.
June 12, 2014, 11:39:15 PM
Should add that this organization at the very least would be monitoring relevant forums such as bct to intervene quickly rather then have the subject first experience the many uneducated responses which however well-meaning (some are surprisingly aggressive :S) could do more harm.
June 12, 2014, 11:33:12 PM
(Oh -- before someone jumps down my throat for OP title [I ran into the character limit], I don't know of any actual suicides related to cryptocurrency gambling and didn't mean to imply that)
June 12, 2014, 11:31:30 PM
Not sure if they are really thinking it or seeking attention but at least in the US we have
http://www.gamblersanonymous.org/ga/
http://www.gamblersanonymous.org/ga/
There are a few similar services.
A major issue with bodies focused on traditional gambling is the the added embarrassment / confusion / isolation experienced by the subject due to the novelty of cryptocurrencies. This alone can act as the wall preventing seeking help (whether merely for attention or serious is a rather ambiguous mental exercise).
A cryptocurrency specific service is very much needed.
I would be happy to be sit on the board as well. Have an undergraduate in psychology, including gambling-related projects and thesis, but never participated in an organization specific to these ends.
June 12, 2014, 11:26:06 PM
I agree with this, and would participate.
We have a team of 6, myself (Adam) am interested in sitting on a board, or creating a resource/public live chat or something for people to come to, a clean interface with nothing reminding them of gambling, sports, or bitcoins.
Could be a start?
We have a team of 6, myself (Adam) am interested in sitting on a board, or creating a resource/public live chat or something for people to come to, a clean interface with nothing reminding them of gambling, sports, or bitcoins.
Could be a start?
June 12, 2014, 11:15:21 PM
Not sure if they are really thinking it or seeking attention but at least in the US we have
http://www.gamblersanonymous.org/ga/
http://www.gamblersanonymous.org/ga/
June 12, 2014, 11:15:07 PM
That's a great idea, something specifically targeting bitcoin gamblers is necessary as traditional services won't be educated on the added layers of threat potential specific to cryptocurrencies.
I would help with an initiative led by someone with experience in the field.
I would help with an initiative led by someone with experience in the field.
June 12, 2014, 10:44:53 PM
The suicide note threads seem to be increasing in frequency around here. I've seen individual casino ops do amazing things, but this isn't always the case. Has there been any effort toward forming an association to deal with these kinds of problems once known, on a case-by-case basis, and addressing ways to actually prevent it?
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