Topic: Have you played with the POGO? (Read 433 times)

Cryptocurrency and the pretence of operating casinos have aided a lot of illegalities but I must still confess that this is more serious. I've not played with the casino but I know it's very popular in the Philippines, but the government should have looked beyond personal benefits, their carelessness is irresponsible. What I read online after reading your post is so pathetic and I wonder what the government of the Philippines was watching to the extent that it got to this level of unspeakable atrocities on their soil without taking decisive actions.

Well, all these countries' officials can't be trusted, and corruption is everywhere, so if they wanted to take action, giving them millions of pesos would have solved the issues. This is shameful because no foreign establishments should have been allowed to operate so badly to tarnish the image of the Philippines.

The problem is corruption there are some politicians has been tied up with POGO's. If they are proven that they are helping those POGO's to do their illegal activities on area of their concerns then a proper punishment needed to serve.

I guess they try to regulate it but they didn't made proper monitoring on those POGO's that's why those involve crimes has been rampantly happening in that place. So maybe its time for Philippines to create a law enforcement team that handle online gambling activities and terminate those people who allow or give permits of those POGO's which have questionable businesses in their country. if they didn't ban those POGO's (which I think it already happen) for sure there's more bigger problem it could bring on the country which they currently operates.

Most times, when the government sees that they are really in need of funds and do not know what to do or how to further generate revenue in the situation of a country without any major source of revenue. They will start putting pressure on the existing company in their country and that alone would make them want to settle a new scores with them.
This is exactly what I think is the reason for the threat on the pogo. The Philippines government just want an increase in the pogo tax as a result of the fact that they are making reasonable amount of money from their daily activities in the country.
I really do not think the government would allow them go considering the fact that they get good money from them. All the issues could be resolved amicably with extra pay on the  negotiation table.

It has already been used for illegal activities, human trafficking, you name it. The inability of the Philippine government to regulate these casinos effectively has resulted in an increase in criminal activities. It seems like operators know which countries they can operate in and they know that the Philippines is lax in implementing the laws about these online casinos. So they have really enjoyed their operations here. In fact, there are reports that they aren't paying the correct taxes, so they have made a lot of profit not only in gambling but in everything that generates them money. I wouldn't be surprised if these crypto ponzi schemes, some of them are coming from this operation too.

I had already heard about them, but I believe I never played in them, as I don't remember participating in a Philippine casino.
Besides, those kind of games aren't my style.

But, from what I've researched here, it seems that this has actually been a pretty big problem there, as recently the president of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr, ordered the closure of a network of online casinos associated with a series of criminal activities in the country. who did these live broadcasts with half-naked women.
It seems to me that these sites are mainly used by bettors from China, where betting is illegal.

An interesting fact that I got here is that according to the Philippine government itself, the Pogos industry is made up of more than 400 licensed and unlicensed companies, employing 40 thousand people directly and indirectly and generating an estimated revenue of US$2.9 billion .

I don't see many problems with the game itself, but when it comes to illegality, especially in this format that includes women, there is a great risk of these online casinos starting to be used as a front for crimes such as human trafficking.

If those speculative ideas have been really affecting negatively to Philippines, I believed the authority should do the quickest actions for this serious matter. Once that rumoured spying have been confirmed, I guess that's really putting the country's sovereignty behind other country since there's a lot of issues that's really a lot of people brought up specially their conflicts with west Philippine sea. Actually this games of pogo, it has no concrete evidence that there's a lot of people participating it but I guess online gaming through smartphones was still a part of their operations within the country.

I also heard POGO for first time and because of your post I understood that it's somehow related to Philippines people. I have personally never tried those games because I'm not from Philippines but sure the ones who belong to Philippines might have played those games and the experience of playing those games might be satisfactory for them. I avoid playing at multiple casinos and have chosen only a few casinos that work properly for me.

I have not even heard about the word before now, and I also got to find out that POGOs is an abbreviation that means "Philippine Offshore Gaming Operators." 

I am usually satisfied with the games my favorite casino offers, and because I have become a season gambler, I don't explore new casinos. People from the Philippines or their neighboring countries will be more familiar with those gaming operators because, even in my country, I don't think I have found anyone discussing them. 

I have not played with POGO before and i don't think it's a bad idea to that extent for any gambler to decide on using them for their own gambling experience, i know well on how the government had been raging attacks on gambling itself, taking it as a means of perpetrating illicit activities which is contrary to the main purpose people are gambling, if you think the risk is worth it with gambling with POGO, then go ahead and good luck, because the government will always have something to say against anything they were not in support of.

Yes now I understand and thank you for the detailed explanation... I also read other comments about POGO where there are many dark practices in it, so this is a provider for foreigners.

Nope because these POGOs aren't for us, Filipinos but they're made certainly for their people, the Chinese. The meaning of POGO is 'Philippine Offshore Gaming Operators' and that's why they're not for us but it is true that many crimes have been made there. Kidnapping of their own kind and torturing of their agents because they're moving on the other side of it not just being a POGO but also a scam hub for which is run by a big syndicate in Asia not only in our country.

Office space? Or it also commercial space because here in Europe we differentiate between that and the 1 million number would be insane, that would be half of what's available in Prague for offices, and at the same time it's an average of $300/sqm, that's closer to Belgium averages.
I think they obviously inflate those numbers, it simply can't be real.

Then we have this:

Hmm, it becomes even weirder with more details
I thought those were only for foreigners, so they restricted Filipinos from it, so why would then citizens be involved...
At the same time, to be honest, I wouldn't care what foreigners do with their own if the Chinese have a beef with Chinese loan sharks and ask people in China to pay up, it's their goddamn problem, not mine, it's not about racism or anything, but if I were to see on street two foreign drug dealers killing each other over money I would say two problems solved.

Hard to tell actually which is which but most likely yes I have plaayed with one of the games they are providing especially with fiat based casinos. There's nothing wrong with how they provide gambling games and services but operational activities are the bottomline here. I also agree with how big its contribution with the mentioned country's economy and that's really a loss to them as well. But for sure they came up with this conclusion because of the crime rate relaated with POGOs in particular with violent incidents concerning their workers. Has been long existing actually, and was just being considered because of taxes.
I doubt as well with complete restriction and prohibition of its operation. Most likely the government is eyeing for higher taxes and regulation for such kind of business. Well, we do know how things are working in the Philippines; almost everything could be paid.

After the online gambling casino became trend there's is a lot of social media influencers promoting their different casino is some are regulated by the government and one of these is the POGOs I've seen tons of people still keep playing because of the videos fed by them by these streamers that they can instantly win in those casinos  games, personally I didn't play at all because I know the risk and we know that not all the time we have the faith and luck in playing casino I keep doing stick with the crypto casino that I've been knew for a long time than taking risk to bind my socials, and of course in PH the e-wallet they bind into those account.


Actually with the poor government is the reason I don't know why people keep doing a vote to those who does not have a potential just having a backer so they can easily sit and manipulate those regulations and those POGO's can operate freely.

OP, I would like to say that there is every possibility that you would not get an honest answer based on you comment and post made here where you have made mention of the Chinese government sending spy to the Philippines to spy on them. People would think otherwise for mentioning that and would not say anything about your questions but can or would only make a general statement.

Looking at the Philippines, we all know that the nation has nothing to hold onto as a source of revenue generation for them and as a result they do not attract foreign nationals to their country.  Casinos have been a major source of revenue generation for the country and with this singular reason, I think it would be very difficult for the Philippines government to ban POGO irrespective of the fact that it is a Chinese owned company.

The government can only implement some policies to checkmating the activities of POGO so as to further prevent unwanted nuisance in the society as a reason of their activities in the country. Closing POGO would definitely increase the problems because people would be relieved of their jobs, no revenue for the government which would reduce or affect their national budget, the rate of crime would increase and lots more. I believe the government would act wisely to protect her interest first not minding the Chinese government interference because if they take any drastic decision, they would have themselves to blame.

For financial scamming - pandemic hits, perhaps their income was not as it used to be, and so the Chinese who is known to execute pig butchering scam.

Prostitution - Some POGO offices are being used as a front for prostitution den

Kidnapping, brutal torture, murder - they even kidnap their own people in the Philippines who can't pay the money they have loan. There are reports that they threaten them and then they call their relatives in China to raise money. If they can't raise money, then they torture and even killed them.

So in short, POGO being used as front by the Chinese in the Philippines and very well using the country as their hub.

It’s already officially declared banned.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/23/asia/philippines-pogos-ban-illegal-gambling-intl-hnk/index.html
I don’t think the money is worth allowing such operations to happen in the country. Back then before it was allowed to operate, many politicians thought that it wasn’t wise to let POGOs operate in the country but alas those in favor prevailed and now this is what happened.
No. I am guessing a lot of big and powerful names are the clients of these operations. Maybe some associated with government officials, maybe not from the country but from outside of it. After all, the suspended mayor and now hiding, Alice Guo, was associated with POGO with billions of money entering her bank accounts.

This news is more than about the POGO itself. There seem to be cases of identity theft and spy accusations which is really bothering for the government considering the territorial fight the Philippines has with China.

Yea Pogo gambling is strange to me also, I don't even know it's also use for gambling. though I have played pogo Scrabble game but I believe it to be a game of fun but not a gambling game. Well any game can be used for gambling depending on individual. The aspect of recommendation I agree with you because there are thousands of games online like the way new shitcoin and altcoin are flooding the crypto market which you wouldn't know the one to buy. So I prefer going for the one I know its easier for me which is the football betting game.

Since I'm from the Philippines, I think I could have played in POGO many times. We have local wallets like Gcash and Paymaya that you can directly go and gamble and most likely it will pointed out to local POGO with live dealers as they are all Filipinos.

But in any case though, latest news is that the government is putting a total ban on POGO. And now the authorities are raiding every POGO in the country because they are looking for the big head, not just one mayor who recently being under investigated by the Senate.

Pretty sure it became so big because one of the officials of the city where the POGO raid happened was seemingly involved in the running of that POGO. It became a really big thing because of how said official seemingly has an unknown background and stuff (and was able to run as mayor for that city, surprisingly) and, well, that became big, so the POGO issue also became big.

As for playing in Pogos, no, have only played in online casinos so I don't think I have. 

Ig it was because they couldn't manage it. I'm personally down to managing gambling itself, but they tried, and the recent crackdowns showed that, well, they suck at it. And with the issues of illegal crimes happening in said pogos, I don't think them trying to improve its "management" would be something people would trust or agree with really.

I believe the games of POGO in the Philippines are from random providers that you can see on different gambling platforms.
The people behind this are just providing games to different gambling platforms.
I believe the foreigners taking advantage of Filipino workers as you can give cheap salaries to some Filipinos to work in this field, the rents. And some foreigners do it in the Philippines because it's banned from their country.

The downside is that a lot of criminal activities are happening in this market, especially some that are not legally documented.

Perhaps because those casinos service the filipino locals? While POGOs operate in the Philippines, they only service people outside the country who are for the most part the chinese market. I would image casinos for the locals and POGOs may have different license or prerequisite/s to operate.


I guess the raids were about those which have offices in the Philippines. It appears they have occupied a good amount of space.


I'm assuming there could be unreported cases as well.

This kind of government decision is a sign that the authorities can't stop the illegal activities of POGOs.  The president intervening for the decision whether POGO should be banned or moderated is a clear indication that the authorities charge in regulating the gambling activity of the Philippines is incompetent.


No, as to my memory, I have not played in any casinos (specifically POGO) licensed by the Philippines since I was exposed to the casino licensed by Curacao and has put more trust on these reputable casinos than those POGOs.

What surprised me the most after this announcement is that most of the online casinos I use notified all their players that they're not affected by this POGO ban. Well, I don't know if they're related to POGO. 747, Winzir, Bet88.ph, BingoPlus— all of these casinos announced that they're not affected by this POGO ban. Can someone give me a list of known POGO sites affected by this ban?

I hope this isn't just talk in the State of the Nation Address (SONA) and they will actually work on it. If someone is paid off, the issue might return after a year. I think the ban on POGO won't happen if Marcos fall out with Duterte.

This is actually my first time hearing of the name "POGO" as a casino, as it seems it's only popular in China and the Philippines, just as said in the YouTube video link provided above. However, it's just said to know that a casino such has this has been into fraudulent acts for many years and yet the government seems to have done nothing simply because they are benefiting billions of pesos through tax revenue generated. And as it stands now, the only people that could put this menace into a permanent end is only the government, because casino operators are meant to be a offered a transparent means of gambling, and not stand as a vessel of fear while many will want to skip gambling due to it's lack of proper regulations, offering gamblers the safety of their funds.

I'm glad that POGO is finally banned. I'm sure President Marcos has seen the data, and he concluded that it's not contributing enough to ignore the bad effects on society. Imagine the POGO investigation by the Senate has been going on for two months, and there are so many speculations. Because of POGO, we have seen so many Chinese faking their birth certificates so they can run for local office.

So many corrupt practices have been exposed because of this POGO investigation, so it's just right that they ban it, and based on the investigation, some POGOs are actually scam hubs.

I don't think I have been in a position in which I have the necessity to play casinos games from an Asian provider, though. I mostly stick to casinos registered in Curaçao and have their own original Dices, Plinko, crash and blackjack. Though, when comes to the few Sportbetting I get involved in, I am not sure whether the market I am getting into have anything to do with asian ones. I think not.

In regards of the situation going on in the Philippines, it could be a good temporary solution, but since the demand for liquidity will co time to exist, the Chinese people who are involved with shady businesses will find a way to continue to access to casinos and bookies, even if they need to go underground un order to do so.
Also, I did not know the crime syndicate in mainland China was so big, to the point they could actively influence on the gambling market of a foreign country like Philippines.

Just recently browse this news when this topic was created. The ban of POGO doesn’t create much noise because it’s announced via the president SONA which is kinda boring to watch due to his incompetency since he started his terms.

I’m surprised for the total ban instead of just regulating it properly since it generates huge profit for the government banning it is such a waste because there’s a lot of Filipino employee will be affected. Surely the Philippines government is just pleasing the community without thinking the repercussions of their actions.


POGO is not a game. It’s just a terminology for Philippine Offshore Gaming Operators which is a casino provider in our country dedicated for foreign players mostly Chinese.

It’s shady because Chinese use this operation to hide underlying illegal operations of foreigners. In short, A black market cover casino.

This is the first time I've heard of the POGO game... but someone has explained what POGO is above so I understand a bit now.

So playing in POGO is only for certain people who have privillage? And local people can't play here, but there's a bigger action behind it including the laundering?

What the hell is this mess?
https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/2024/7/22/marcos-jr-orders-pogos-to-cease-operations-by-end-of-year-1603

If those are offshore websites and companies, how do they raid them?
If those were not licensed why not simply ban access and stop payments to them, it's not like it's something magical, we have done this pretty easy in Europe, you can have websites that operate totally legally in Germany and Denmark banned in France and Portugal like bet365.

Besides, this is a bit weird:

This is a moot point, if people would not spend money on games they would spend it on something else that also generates taxes and employment, unless you're able to quantify this precisely it's not really an argument.

Most of the POGO is dedicated only for Chinese citizens which they usually use for different sketchy business such as money laundering, human trafficking, drugs and other illegal activities which Chinese hide in the Philippines since we have much lousy laws in when it comes to criminal offenses compared to China which this offense will lead to death penalty depending on the seriousness of the crime.

There’s no much information for the local since we are not allowed to enter. Only Filipino dealers are allowed to enter while most of the player is Chinese.

I don't seem to use that casino to play, I also seem to have just heard the name and don't feel familiar with it at all, and I also sometimes don't pay attention to where a casino is from where I play.

As long as it's not advertised on the forum I don't think anyone uses it except people in the country itself, some friends from the Philippines who are on the forum may have tried it.

But it's unfortunate that the government didn't take direct action despite the documentary, it probably goes back to the country's own interests, because as you said they get a pretty big tax it seems so before this entered the international scene it was left alone, and now that the problem has exploded, it's time to shut it down, after all the country's reputation may be at stake for such a widespread problem.

We can't get much information about the POGO network, obviously this gambling network is generally developed in the Philippines, I tried searching on Bitcointalk and just found it in this thread, so obviously I haven't done anything on that website, it's foreign to me.

Moreover, it clearly mentions the crimes committed by the POGO network.

For me about POGO, it's better not to know him at all, considering the negative things happening as above.

There's not much information shared about how to play POGO. However, there should be a website that players need to visit in order to play, just like a regular casino where we can see if they cater to our country, so we would know if we can play or not. All we know is that POGO is linked to money laundering as its biggest issue. Aside from that, we have no idea how to access it to at least try and see if it does really restrict the locals from playing.

AFAIK, POGO is only exclusive for foreign people outside the Philippines, this casino charge different taxes which is higher than the regular tax on casino.

Playing in POGO is for VIP only since they typically being played by rich Chinese businessmen and also doing something shady such as money laundering. As a regular gambler, There’s no advantage playing on this type of casino because they offer nothing special except for the possibility to launder of foreign businessmen.

The Marcos dictatorship in the Philippines seems so inept and unable to understand even basic concepts. Seems like they're banning operators that didn't bow to their corruption because they were foreign now. If they wanted to fix the issue why not try to work with these businesses to regulate them? A few years ago they were happy to issue licenses and allow them to operate under the country's non-existent human rights and worker's rights record.

It's a crazy world in the philipines. The doctator does as he pleases without any due process. If you hear the government's point for banning an entire sector, it's just "disorder"... Ok, why not just try to tax this industry and make laws for worker's rights that would also positively affect the local population? Marcos just doesn't care. He wants his people to suffer under inhumane working conditions so his cronies can enrich themselves. But when foreign nationals take advantage of the scheme he has created he might as well ban it outright.

The POGO has already been banned, the president of the Philippines has announced it on his SONA
Marcos bans Pogo, cites ‘disorder’ it caused PH


It is not yet established, but there's a strong belief that there are spies in the POGO hub because they found camouflage, other high-tech telecommunication equipment, and, of course, undocumented Chinese. All these make one suspicious that there's espionage.

I don't know if there are casinos here that POGO is serving that are based in the Philippines if they have then there will be an interruption of their service because of the ban.

The problem here is monitoring the local officials are so corrupt that they failed to stop other POGO operators from turning their hub into a scam and criminal hub, there is human trafficking, sex extortion, scams, and torture the local officials are being paid by these criminal operators from operating without interference and monitoring.

The harm outweighs the benefits in this article POGO's contribution to the economy is only a small fraction of the GDP as detailed on this article

Benefits from POGO ban outweigh costs -economic managers

According to this article https://hyperlocal.ph/what-are-pogos-and-how-do-they-work-in-the-philippines/


So, they likely offer a wide range of games, as popular games attract gamblers. We might not be aware of these because the majority of their customers are Chinese or other Asian people. We can usually tell if a live casino is operating in the Philippines if the dealers and staff are Asians. In contrast, other casinos often feature American or European staff.

Some of them are licensed with PAGCOR (a government agency), while others operate illegally. It cannot be regulated well due to corrupt officials, especially in immigration, who allow Chinese workers of POGO to enter without proper documentation in exchange for bribes. This is why many workers are coming to the Philippines to work for POGO, and the authorities can't monitor it effectively because they allow entry even without a working visa.

They have already evaluated it, and the benefits don't outweigh the negative impacts it would bring to the country. So, the decision to ban was just right. I'm just worried about what will happen to the buildings they created, which are quite large. For instance, there is a POGO hub in one province that spans around 7 hectares.

It looks like we have a lot of answers that we are not sure of. I am trying to research what games they are offering in POGOs here in the Philippines and I Googled it, surprisingly I have not played any games that are listed there. We don't know if they are also offering slot games like JILI and Fachai as slot providers which are very popular in our country. If they are, then we are not sure if we actually played one of them because many online gambling sites today are using those said slot providers since they are the fastest ones and we can bet at a cheap price too, as low as 1 peso per roll.
But, if all the games listed in Google is all they had, I don't think I have played in it yet.

The way how they operate their business then doing those illegalities on their hubs leaves impression that there's nothing good it brings for people and to the country. That's why I agree with government officials urges the President to ban this kind of activities since illegal activities like what those POGO's do should be stop. And I think the latest updates about this cases is they totally ban this POGO on Philippines so its really good they decide about that since even in Chine this operation has been declared as illegal on their country.

If some institutions worrying about the tax then for sure they can find something else that can able to generate funds to them. But the evil deeds made by those illegal operators should be stop so they can avoid more bigger problems in future.

I was under the impression that POGO is illegal as it become a front for illegal casinos and operators behind. But it could be true that there are some POGO that might be real and most likely we might have played on them specially live games.

For the Philippines, the sentiments are now negative, and even if the government are making billions in dollars, but the repercussions are very bad that's why the President will have not choice but to totally ban it. But I don't think it will stop this POGO, they might have to go to other Asian neighboring countries that are willing to cuddle them in exchange of billions on taxes but they should have learn from the mistakes of the Philippines government.

I think you are late because the president of the Philippines has already announced the Banning of POGOs and this only going to be at the end of this year to completely seize operations.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/philippines-bans-gambling-operations-catered-to-illicit-chinese-players/ar-BB1qskZw?ocid=BingNewsSerp

I don’t think I have ever played in one, but I just see the effects of it, and also the foreigners in the Philippines that are probably connected to that is quite alarming and there is a lot. All the negative effects and using POGOs As a front to commit crimes is definitely the best solution by banning it.

The first time that I heard about POGO was when someone brought it up on this forum that Filipino government wants to ban the game because of how it is used in criminal ways. I did not bother to check what the game is all about. I only play few of casino games which are roulette, dice and slots which are easy to know how to play. That is why I like casinos, they have many games including those ones that does not require cards. I do not know much about card games which is the reason I do not go for blackjack, baccarat and poker.

Not sure if their casinos operated are accepting cryptocurrencies but I'm bit sure I didn't pick yet any casino which have related to POGO's since so far I didn't played any casino which has been located on Philippines. I usually goes with those casino advertised in bitcointalk so maybe its safe to say that I didn't gamble on those controversial casino since still see those casino smoothly running and didn't experience any issue yet.

The problem beneath those POGO operation is they include those illegal operations that's why their operations has been stopped. I guess taxes they provide became nothing if their business model creates more larger harm to the community that's why they are been a hot topic now.

We would say way fewer complaints from gamblers if everyone had the same thoughts as you about new gambling platforms and opportunities, but most gamblers get attracted when they see an ad or a promotion with some bonus or something, and casinos and their marketing experts know this thing and this is why they use this tactic to attract new gamblers.

This is mostly common in new gamblers, they lack experience so they think that the bonuses they get from new casinos can make them money, though some of them manage to be lucky and earn something from the bonuses, most of them can't even clear the wagering requirements and lose all their money before that.

Those who are experienced understand that these bonuses are nothing more than a way for them to attract new gamblers to their platforms and one can barely manage to withdraw anything using those bonuses.

I am sure not to had played on this site because I am pretty not a freak to be attracted on new gambling opportunities.

Even if I must gamble on new or strange sites, it must be by one on one recommendation and not as one of the running online ADs.
Apparently the POGO is totally a strange related to gambling to me.

I'm not sure if I have played with the so called POGO, but for sure majority of us have played online and maybe we really don't know that the games that we have been playing is under POGO in the Philippines. And perhaps the question is, how do we know? Perhaps there are also some off shore gaming not from the Philippines with live dealers. Or maybe if we play let's say online roulette, we have seen live dealers and it seems that most of them are in Europe and not in Asia? So it's really hard to know where we play if it is off shore and if it is in Europe or Asia. In any case, it seems that POGO has a bad reputation already from the Philippine government and now they are halting everything and raiding those offices as it involved crimes inside and there is a big name involved like a local elect Mayor who reports says is the facilitator and could be a spy for the Chinese.

I'm not sure if I have played with this before since it's online and the government does not reveal the websites used by POGO. I think they mostly cater to Chinese people as the idea was to build a gambling hub in the Philippines since gambling is illegal in China. As for the spy thing, I don't think it's reliable because China has reached out to the Philippine government before to stop the operation of POGO, but the president did not entertain it since they are benefiting from the income they are making.

Mostly, the victims are just Chinese people, those they hire from China to work in the Philippines, so the crime wasn't very public since they hid what they were doing inside the hub. The biggest concern in their operation is the money laundering since they aren't fully regulated, and their transactions aren't being scrutinized, with regulations limited to paperwork, particularly on the license.

POGO has been a hot issue in the Philippines recently due to crimes related to its operation. I was surprised to learn that there was already a documentary about this three years ago, but the government seemed not to have taken the right action. Now, it seems they are considering banning the operation due to the mentioned reasons.

From a financial aspect, POGO brings in billions of pesos to the Philippines through taxes, so it's hard to let this go. However, these crimes are no longer tolerable, and they have tarnished the country's reputation. There are also rumors that other countries, particularly China, have sent spies to the Philippines since POGO is operated by Chinese people.

You can watch this documentary, The Deadly World Of Philippines' Offshore Gambling Syndicates | Undercover Asia | CNA Documentary

So question is, have you played with these casinos before. They have this live dealers which are also available in other casinos that are popular in the forum, I'm thinking maybe they are providing those.