Topic: HAVELOCK tried to BRIBE ME! (Read 6678 times)

He really threatened innocents. Nasty character.

Might be that  PBMining paid because he was a scammer who feared being doxxed. Looks like he was doxxed anyway. I wonder how PBMining will explain that payment once other shareholders bring him to court.

But MtGox? Is there some proof or at least a hint that this might be true?

*sigh* I really dont like the amount of persons in bitcoin that have a bad character. Though there are many good persons too. Bitcoin area is somewhat extreme...

IIRC Mr. teal was able to find a ~200 btc transaction that happened right before Airwolf comes out and says this:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9811982

Did it really work with PBmining? Is there a thread about this?

I found this thread about the situation with pbmining: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/recovery-program-beginning-in-january-for-pb-mining-customers-887871 though i didnt find that Airwolf was the one who was paid for threats. Only claims by others that he even got his coins from MtGox back, which sounds highly unlikely.

So can you give a lead to informations on this?

If true then i guess its easier to get coins back from a scammer who fears being doxxed and still has the coins instead getting coins from a business that went wrong and simply doesnt have coins anymore.

Look, I'm not against doing something, like reporting AM/FC to the proper authorities or taking further legal action if you feel like wasting your money/time. I am however completely against extortion.

I'm honestly surprised so many of you are fully supporting this guys attempts at blackmailing a suspected scammer and his friends/family/associates. It's disgusting. Imagine if you started a business and for whatever reason it fails, how would you like someone threatening your family if you don't cough up the money which you don't have?

There is absolutely no justification for extortion, period.

People aren't just sitting around waiting for some miracle to happen. Action is being taken, but not by some 12 year old wannabe gangster/extortionist who spams every "discovery" he makes across the forum.

I'm 99% sure he isn't even invested at all. All of his discoveries were public knowledge that anyone who spent ~20 minutes doing due diligence would have found. Most likely he's just taking advantage of the situation to extort some guy he knows has a lot of btc since it worked with Mr PBmining.

Don't try and put words in my mouth. Why do you have to constantly take digs at this guy.  Yes I have seen him post some stuff and I take much if it with a grain of salt but same goes for you and your posts. Seems like you sir are motivated to portray a certain perspective whereas air wolf might be batshit crazy but at least he comes off as genuine. So he got hit hard and is pissed and is trying to do something about it. Good for him and good for the rest of us smaller investors. Maybe he accomplishes some,   Maybe he accomplishes nothing.

I do not think I am as you suggested ( delusional). I don't think much can really be done but atleast someone is trying to get to the bottom of it. And if nothing else he is communicating his displeasure and his position to the actors in the situation. He may not succeed in his effort but I can guarantee that something is less likely to happen if there aren't calls being made, emails and letters being sent and cages being rattled.(keep it up all those who are doing this and don't be afraid to post update) jimothy idk why you think it is good to post such negativity because it stifles open and free discussions.

I am not new to Bitcoin and I have seen ponzies and scams come and go and no one ever held accountable. You are not crazy for being cynical and pessimistic. But you are an asshole for attacking people for who don't demonstrate your nonchalantness.

-Mulletwang

Lol @ you taking airwolf seriously. You actually think this play pretend gangster is friends with Putin and is going to have him call his buddies at China to hunt down the guy who sold you unregistered securities and took off? You're delusional.

The gullibility of some people in the crypto world never fails to amaze me.

Air wolf I support your efforts and admire your persistence. There is no doubt that something smells fishy at havelock. I am a Canadian who has contacted and supported havelock along the way but I have lost faith along the way. I definitely think there should be an independent 3rd party investigation into their financial activities.

Airwolf, stop putting so much effort fighting off the trolls and focus your energy towards your efforts. I think they will bear fruits when you stop allowing your energy to be sucked from you by the vampires.

-Mulletwang

What is most unacceptable of this ridiculous offer is not only the price, but the infuriating fact that you want us to wait A MONTH FROM NOW and then 5 WEEKS MORE to receive 1/4 of what we invested!!!!!

I will send the papers to my friends in the Russian government who will in turn send them to their friends in the Chinese gov. and will fry you as a cat AMHASH

For HAVELOCK i will contact Canadian IRS and denounce the whole maneuver to avoid taxes in Canada, and also file a police report against you and your brother.

What you mean by legit?

If havelock would bribe me 30 BTC today I  will gladly take it over to MPEX Tuesday

At this point, it would be interesting to see if Havelock comes out and makes a statement on this situation. I'm curious to see if Airwolf is legit at this stage, so their remarks will be interesting.

Thanks to you actually, with your double talk about this or that being legit or not, if you knew, by complicity or stupidity that this business was folly, you should never come out to post something that will legitimize them in ANY way in the first place.

You hypocrite and accomplice, bear the shame and guilt to have misled many people that truly believed in your word, and you will bear that forever if you have a little decency on you.

The least you could do is return the tips the people has sent to you, including mine.

So you got in at $6 and right now its $260 and somehow you managed not to make a profit?
I guess its true what they say about a fool and his money.

FWIW, I got in a bit earlier, and to date the total amount I have lost to scams or bad investments in asic hardware or secutities is ahm..  nada, zip, njiente. 

Well if I am totally honest, I lost a 0.1 BTC bet a few months ago, not sure that qualifies.


Nope, the correct lesson you should have learned, and which I and many others have been preaching for years,  is to stay away from anything that promises to 'grow your bitcoin'. Those are the mirages you must have kept falling for time and again when you decided a few 1000% profit wasnt enough. Growing bitcoins is like growing gold, it just doesnt happen very often.

You make good points about the experts and thieves that seem to gravitate toward the bitcoin community but the main problem is that you're attracting non-savvy interested parties to the community all the time and this thing is unlike anything they've ever encountered in their lives, likely. The first movers here had the advantage of a head start in the market knowledge and worked it to their advantage in many cases. As the newer people get their feet wet even more, they look to get more coins and many methods of doing so end up being too good to be true. The fact is, holding your bitcoins securely is the number one rule for survival and working to earn more of them is the only surefire way to not get tangled into the peripheral games of mining, buying into shitshows or other things that turn out to be unprofitable. We all have to learn as we move forward and only the lucky come out unscathed. That said, I believe the rewards down the line are worth the troubles in the mean time.

Actually what i am doing is 2-fold against AM/RM and HL, on this last one i am pursuing it in Canada, but with AM/RM i and holding back the gov. option until next week, if they say nothing in 7 days, i'll go for it and then may any divinity they believe in may have mercy on their souls.

I have been in bitcoin since early 2012, and after this fiasco i barely got even every time with it, it is my thinking that BTC is a trap for those seeking to get money out of it, there are too many expert thieves and scammers and people from the financing industry on it, with many years of experience, ready to devour any good-hearted, naive investor's money, this is like a jungle full of predators.

My message is: STAY AWAY FROM BITCOIN, IT IS A MIRAGE.

For the spectator's perspective, I'd ask mr. AW what he's doing to replenish his funds as I can't imagine his loss is anywhere near his full net worth, or I could be wrong. Or, what would be the takeaway message that AW would want onlookers to take from this whole ordeal?

A bitcoin exchange <-> "very long run"?
Lol.

In the "very long run" (I take it that means 6-12 months or so), at best it will be closed by authorities. Now Ill grant they seem to have been honest so far, but so has every exit scam in bitcoin history, including now AM. Current trading volume on HL is ~4 BTC per day. x 0.4% fees x30 days = ~0.5 BTC / month.  Who would you trust to hold 100s or 1000s of bitcoins, if that person earns  0.5 BTC per month before expenses ?

If someone is a drug dealer or carder maybe asking the police for help is not the best idea .

The last thing you do is take info/remarks/solace from the trollface otherwise known as lambcrotch/silvercrotch or whatever else shows their face. Do not quote, acknowledge nor pay no mind to known trolls especially their new accounts during your research after the fact period. Thx but you should know better.

If they had that BTC prior to HL why would they burn it in a money-losing business?

What I am saying is that word is going around that heretofore HL had an impeccable reputation in terms of investors feeling safe in investing in securities or whatever you want to call them on their hosting playground. I would've imagined they'd like to keep their pristine reputation but now that is shot at the moment. I'm not saying obligated but having the vested self interest in keeping a clean playing field. Not saying that people are going to stop looking into their hosted securities but things are just flat out different now. Investors are naturally going to feel for other investors that got scammed and part of the reason this happened was because AmHash was paying a fee to operate their plans so now, by default, HL is liable in the minds of interested parties. As I said, either HL set aside a portion of every fee they collected for a rainy day like now or do more investigative motions before hand to make sure they'd have a way to get back at any one of their hosted securities should they have gone rogue. The other solution, charge more for certain levels that these securities could operate under (more shares sold/higher income levels what have you) to keep a better lid on things spiraling out of control. It's not a perfect solution but when you're trying (supposedly) to maintain a top shelf trusting status in such an unregulated market, you need to employ your own stringent standards to keep the laundry clean.

Bitcoin eco system is being weigh down by this parasites, check this:

http://www.coindesk.com/dark-market-evolution-vanishes-with-12-million-in-bitcoin/?utm_source=CoinDesk+subscribers&utm_campaign=c2af8de736-EMAIL_RSS_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_74abb9e6ab-c2af8de736-78880849

http://www.coindesk.com/coinapult-loses-40k-hot-wallet-compromise/?utm_source=CoinDesk+subscribers&utm_campaign=c2af8de736-EMAIL_RSS_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_74abb9e6ab-c2af8de736-78880849

And nobody demands nothing, this is becoming the land of thieves and the home of the sheep

Yeah, Bitcoin is also going down, man... Darn... I really wonder whether I made the right call to invest in this. Being down 90% does suck big time...

^Yeah.  Bitcoin

What, really? Man, everything seems to be going down these days... Do you think there might be a connection between them an AM going down?

I envy your fantasy life.  Just hope your trippy visions weren't chemically enhanced by Evo product.  'Cos just like AM/AMH, it gone

Well yeah, I know those reports. But what if the whole operation is backed with a stash of, say, 5000 BTC they got when they were $2 each. They could be in for the very long run and build up a brand for when there are legit stocks ('again').

Claiming?  Go here:  https://www.havelockinvestments.com/reports.php
scroll down to here: 

Click on Havelock's own reports, read.
Presto, claims confirmed.

Now I'm not saying that Havelock is being honest with its financials, but if he's lying to his investors, ain't that even worse?

Yeah but paying someone 10 BTC just to go away could very well be interpreted as a way of admitting your guilt or something. Also people were claiming that Havelock loses a lot of money and may become insolvent.

>his new post doesnt make much sense
I try to take intellectual limitations into account, opting for gifs instead of wordses whenever possible.
If there's anything you don't understand, I'll gladly explain it to you.

I see... his new post doesnt make much sense too. Ill ignore him now.

How so? 10BTC is always going to be better than facing a claim in the hundreds. Also, if they have to go to court that will definitely cost them more than 10BTC at current prices.

If Havelock really is willing to pay 10 BTC just for him to let go of all this stuff, I don't think that their funding situation is that dire. But I think it's pretty unprofessional if these mails really come from Havelock!

NYSE entities are covered by law enforcement and SEC regulation, on top of their own regulation that is binding for law enforcement. You have on one hand audits and certain prison for either falsifying data or running away with funds.

Since experience proves that whatever verification Havelock are doing has not provided any protection whatsoever, it would make sense for them to provide some sort of insurance/deposit policy (didn't they take deposit for AMHash? or was it ASICMiner?). In any case I'm very skeptical that it can work now, it just doesn't make sense to put hard BTC into securities without guarantees of transparency and given the track record, no effective supervision. It's more effective to do it in a regular stock market if you are in a sensible jurisdiction.

First it was GLBSE (who BTW scammed FriedCat) and now this.

Effectively it's the same as just launching an informal security scheme here is the forum. So what's the point, other than allowing quick speculation with stocks? Not worth it IMO at the cost of adding an extra layer that may also fail and that will take commission. Formal stock exchanges are not mere brokers with some informal curation of the listed stocks, and that's so for very good reason.

AND THIS PROVES IT WAS A BRIBE ATTEMPT!!

James one of your support personnel? You mean one of your alter-egos? C'mon it is only you you even did not use proxy from panama to send your email. Mailboxes are still hosted by lightbox. You are THE ONLY person behind havelock. And yes you offered Airwolf 10 BTC to go away, which means you feel responsible

bolded, cause it's real, sadly.

^

Sebastian please try not to quote Silverspoon/notlambchop/Crumbs. Most of us have him on ignore and would appreciate not seeing his verbal diarrhea.

@Chef Ramsay, I don't think it's realistic for havelock to reimburse investors. Afaik they don't have any obligation to do so, and I really doubt they could even if they tried. (probably don't even have enough btc to reimburse 1/10th of amhash holders)

Real/regulated exchanges like the NYSE don't reimburse investors when a scam listed on their exchange collapses, so why would havelock?

You are.
Like you, many of the finance & currency aficionados of these fora are tragically naive.  That, along with unmitigated greed & soothing reassurances of "respected members," is why they failed to see what an average 5-yr.-old would have spotted from a mile away.  That's why they "invested."

But I refuse to extend the same leniency to Havelock, who claims to vet its offerings.  It's Havelock's business, and if your butcher keeps selling you rotten meat, he's either a crook, or unfit to be a butcher. 

So even if Havelock's really as clueless as you generously allow him to be, he's fuckin' dangerous.  He must immediately stop playing Panamanian exchange & return to something better suited to his natural abilities, like digging ditches.

Still chat with Ukyo Jon?

Isnt that the story of practically everyone investing in bitcoin investments? So you say it was obvious to everyone that they all were crooks. Still everyone invested. But now... for some reason i dont see yet... small shareholders go against the big shareholders because the big shareholders should have known that they were crooks. I thought a 5 year old could have seen that?

Im not sure if i miss a piece in this all but to me it looks like some people did an investment that went wrong. And now there has to be someone who pays. And that must be the big shareholders... because they must have had more info and had to be smarter. They had to knew they were scam. Cant be another way... no it cant be that they did not know that. Erm... sorry... that thinking is poor.

This is bitcoin world. Investments are this way here unfortunately. First it was all great to invest in these practically anonymous companies and now somebody must be the culprit... only not oneself. Might be too hard to admit that one did a wrong decision.

I hate this part of wrong going investments in bitcoin world with a passion because i lost more than i would like to think about. Unfortunately in most cases nothing can be done because IAM was so very very stupid. In some cases i can go behind them. Try to get reimbursement or at least justice. But not everywhere. Im pretty sure though that i wouldnt blame an exchange for selling me the shares i wanted to buy. Maybe thats only me. At least im surprised how many think different it seems.

But maybe i still miss some piece of it...

> lets assume you own a big warehouse with a big bureau.

Now lets' assume that all of the companies you're renting your warehouse to, against all odds [because Bitcoiners are brighter and more business savvy than Joe Sixpack], turn out to be pure shit.  Each and every one.  Over and over and over.  When these "companies" don't simply run with the bux, they find other ways to rape their victims.  Unsmilingly and repeatedly.

Oddly enough, according to the stories you tell the folks invested in your warehouse, you're also losing shitloads of money yourself.  Even while renting out your warehouse to crooks whose crookedness should be clear to a 5-yr.-old (see Havelock's own HIF).

Now, the townsfolk, they might start a-wonderin' if somethin' ain't amiss...

Im wondering... lets assume you own a big warehouse with a big bureau. A company is renting it and you earn from letting them do their business. Things go wrong with the business and the boss of the company runs with the money. So why are you responsible for reimburse the customers of the company again? Maybe i misse a point of this all.

This is what HAVELOCK thinks about customer's money

I've lost a few coins on dumb 'investing' but then again, I didn't have the option to trade on a seemingly reliable hosting outlet like HL for some of the stuff I dabbled in. I don't think anyone could take losing north of 100 coins in a non-serious matter. And, since we're trying to flush the BS out of the Bitcoin ecosystem, I would expect HL to reimburse all their account holders that got screwed directly or indirectly by them. Since they collect hosting fees from all these startups, they should put part of that into insurance repayments funds for when a scam goes on that was unexpected. Or, take down more info on the companies they host on behalf of or charge more to untrusted parties and such.

I'm afraid Havelock are done after the AM fiasco. Trading BTC for "securities" under no effective supervision is crazy stuff.

This is what HAVELOCK thinks about our money: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--993711

I think AirWolf's techniques are extreme, yes, but on the other hand we're dealing here with people who won't give a f** and don't risk any consequence unless you go to the extreme, so I tend to think he's right in doing exactly everything in order to get payback !

So, in the end, even though I really think he should stop investing in these kind of businesses, once you invested and are scammed, at least the first time, I agree with his point of view and I'd rather do something, even if it sounds extreme, to bypass this feeling of impunity those individuals live in than stay here like an idiot with my arms down, humiliated, doing nothing.

(... btw 'Mr Jason Boyko' from PBmining must still have his ears buzzing from all these debates about scams for he connected as the member named 'PBmining' on this site this morning for the first time since 1st January... )

If true you should get rid of that support staff member immediately, it is there JOB to deal with customers, not try and pawn them off with a monetary bribe to leave your company alone...... actually shocking!

On the other hand hand you suspended Airwolf account and contacted the authorities on grounds of extortion and threats of violence...... fk it still your staff should not offer him monetary value to leave them alone..... say it again, shocking!

Good one, at least I'm not going down as being robbed and smiling about it, that is the ultimate humiliation and while they even defend their robbers, at least i behave like a man.

Looks like they liked so much being robbed, that is why bitcoinland is so ruined.

So here in Bitcoinland, Insane is the one that acts honestly and rejects bribes and that bravely stand his ground trying actively to recover his money, Sane is the one that sits here in this board doing nothing but bashing and mocking those who have lost money to thieves.

That is a word for the "sane": sheep, and a word for the brave: "men"

But if this is not acting and part of an elaborate ring of thieves self-support, then this bitcoinland is more insane than anyone thought, and that is why the real world with real money will never going to take you seriously. What serious investor is going to take a stance here knowing what i know now?

Ha ha, how easy is to deny it now, what if had said yes?, sure you will have posted it here.

I won't stop until you are shown for your true colors.

Yeah he's done a good job of hiring russian thugs to go beat up or worst someone irl over money.

Well if I lost that kind if money I guess I'd be also more than willing to go to any lengths trying to get it back. I do understand that he feels the urge to pursue the people responsible for this.

There was no "Bribe" offered to Airwolf by Havelock.

Airwolf has been blasting our email all week with threats of physical harm to our employees and their families if we didn't get him his Bitcoin that he invested with AMHASH.

One of our support personal just got tired of his constant harrasing and asked him "if I give you 10BTC would you just go away?".  It wasn't a serious offer for payment, it was more of a question if he can stop harassing us.  Sure enough Airwolf turns around and tries to play a hero by claiming we somehow tried to " bribe" him.

Havelock

Okay I am just asking, how do we know the e-mails are real? Havelock has been around for years and has done a lot of volume in the community.

But who is AirWolf? Ok -- Disclaimer -- I haven't been around for six months. But seriously, that shouldn't matter, we're talking about havelock, right? They've been around for years...

I sure hope HL has no links to this scamming outfit as that slap to their reputation would be damaging to all those that pay them to host their ventures, currently.

ITT:  Unwilling to acknowledge/accept responsibility for being hilariously, brutally, and repeatedly assraped, intrepid investors are victimized yet again--this time by teh Stockholm Syndrome.

Allow me to speak to you as a friend, gentlemen.  You must both accept and relive the your part in this filthy [though rather amusing and ultimately just, in its own way] obscenity, or the healing can not begin. 

 

Like Fordee said: they were probably not serious. AirWolf is making a big show out of it because, well, it's AirWolf. He's known for his shenanigans. The funny little kid. See, that was not serious as well. AirWolf is not funny, he's sad. 

Assuming it's real (and I've got no reason to believe Airwolf is capable of faking an email) I find it highly unprofessional. Havelock isn't exactly swimming in cash and I'm sure their shareholders would rather be paid that 10btc than have it given to some wannabe gangster who made a few empty threats.

Yeah, I read this as more of a "Tongue in Cheek" comment.. "Hey little kid, you're bothering me... can I just pay you to go way... you're getting annoying."..    Not any admission of guilt.. Hell, i would have probably done the same... had I not already lost it all in AM shares

Strange because that's the exact opposite of what he did with PBmining where he took the bribe and then tried to sway people into believing PBmining wasn't a scam.

Are you serious? You think blackmailing the family/friends/associates of a suspected scammer is acceptable at all?

I find it disturbing so many people are backing this psychopath. He's "discovered" absolutely nothing that anyone who spent 5 minutes doing research on AM/HL wouldn't already know.

Or just returning the 10 BTC to original address. But it doesn't matter now. The matter is all open publicly.

I'm not aware of Havelock or AmHash scam, but from what I'm reading, I appreciate what OP did. Exposing malicious practices instead of accepting the bribe.

erm, he should have taken the bribe to confirm it was actually a bribe and not just words in an email.... then take the moral ground back by dispersing the bribe for the greater good.

I agree I think he is doing the right thing here. I think it shows a lot that he refused a bribe also...10BTC is a nice little pay day for many.

Is there any proof he is insane?

He has done a pretty good job at making you believe he is insane yes but he is also doing some good work here which has surprised me because i thought he was up to no good.

Maybe you should have taken the btc for 'some' losses incurred during all this or gave it to the guys that are helping you..

Just a thought well done denying the bribe    

Only if your female...... screenshot or it didn't happen

Look at Airwolf's feedback, some simple ways to prove he is legitimate but apparently refuses to do so... That makes me wonder given how easy it is to sign the address to prove ownership...

yes, screenshot pls

Is there any actual proof that AirWolf is not insane?

No offense: I'm not that kind of person

You should have taken the 10BTC and then not let up on them. You would then get some of your lost coins back   The fact that they even offered makes them look REALLY bad.

Do you also want an screenshot of me in underwear? 

screenshot or it didn't happen  

screen shot of your conversations and payouts from mtgox or it didn't happen  

And now Havelock is on the run, THEY ARE OFFERING ME 10BTC to just go away:

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If I give 10 Bitcoins would you just go away?

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From: Air Wolf [mailto:[email protected]]=20
Sent: jueves, marzo 12, 2015 17:01 PM
To: Funds @ Havelock Investments
Subject: Re: AMHASH Scam

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Liar, soon i will proof you do and i will ejoy it for sure...

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