Having Trouble With Electrum Wallet Recovery

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Quote from: rocnogu on December 05, 2023, 05:08:06 PM

Quote from: nc50lc on November 06, 2023, 12:14:01 AM

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I tried changing the seed words a bit to see if I did a spelling mistake, but then I can't create a wallet.
I am guessing, after all, there is some brute force protection.

It's the computed invalid "seed version number" that's preventing you to create a wallet from an edited electrum seed phrase.
Electrum has an integrity check that the version number has to match any of the available reserved number for each Electrum wallet types (2FA, Standard, SegWit)

Since your unedited seed phrase is valid as "SegWit", you can rule-out the you've made a typo during backup.
(unless you're very unlucky that a mistyped seed phrase produced a valid version number)
The issue is could be for a different wallet file.

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And there is no way to reclame this funds back?
What happens to such lost coins?

Your seed or private keys aren't saved to any server so the only way to recover it is through the original wallet file or the correct seed phrase.

Lost coins on the other hand will stay in each node's blockchain unspent until someone with the correct private key spends it.
If you found out that it's spent, the actual issue may not be the seed phrase but a fake Electrum or malware.

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Quote from: Z-tight on November 05, 2023, 06:11:40 PM

Quote from: rocnogu on November 05, 2023, 05:16:43 PM

I think you have waaaaaay too good opinion about the community. This is why I said: OceanGate, FTX, Theranos, Wirecard and Enron.
The community thought that all of those are good ideas working perfectly, till... well, google it.

You are talking about centralized services, at least i know of ftx in that list. No member of the community who knows what they are doing would recommend that you store your funds in a centralized service. Electrum is different, it is open source and you run the software locally in your device, you can also verify your download and also verify everything locally if you run your own node, comparing Electrum with some failed centralized services makes zero sense.

Quote from: rocnogu on November 05, 2023, 05:16:43 PM

Again, since I can restore ANY seed, what stops some people from stealing funds?

I find it hard to understand you here, you cannot restore your wallet without the seed phrase, if you have the seed phrase to your wallet, you can always restore it. What stops people from stealing your funds is that it is not possible for them to get your seed phrase or keys, except you expose it, or you use your wallet in an online device and you get hacked and your keys stolen.

Quote from: rocnogu on November 05, 2023, 05:16:43 PM

And again, I do have the right seed. No idea what could go wrong.

Anyhow, I have the TxID, Address, basically all the info for the transaction. I manage to do some "watching only" wallet and I can see the funds.
Is there a way to restore wallet based on this data, assuming I have the wrong seed?
Way to get the right seed? Anything?

If you have the right seed and you have restored the wallet, but you cannot see your funds but a tx sending the funds out, then your funds has probably been sent out by an attacker, post the tx ID here. Some of what you say is hard to understand, it would be better if you can be much clearer, do you see a tx sending the funds to another address, a tx that was not made by you?

I don't really know what all of those things means. Found some info in google and follow the guide.
No idea where exactly are the funds. I can see it, but i don't know if it's I single wallet or part of something or.. Whatever options are possible there.

What is a centralized service? Something like Binance? I guess ill use this from now on.

From the wallet I restored, there are no transactions at all. In or out.

I checked the seed 3 times, saved 3 copies...I'm starting to accept the reality of losing my mind. I guess, I'm going crazy here.

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Quote from: nc50lc on November 06, 2023, 12:14:01 AM

Quote from: rocnogu on November 05, 2023, 05:16:43 PM

Anyhow, I have the TxID, Address, basically all the info for the transaction. I manage to do some "watching only" wallet and I can see the funds.
Is there a way to restore wallet based on this data, assuming I have the wrong seed?
Way to get the right seed? Anything?

Those are already public data stored in every Bitcoin node's blockchain.
If it's possible, then all Bitcoins including those owned by everyone can be "recovered" with that method.

Here's some basic information about how Bitcoin works: learnmeabitcoin.com/beginners/keys_addresses
(you can also go further to "technical" tab to get a deeper understanding on the inner workings of Bitcoin)

Basically,
The data that the wallet needs to own funds is to have the necessary private key(s) to be able to unlock the locking script of those unspent transaction outputs.

As for the seed phrase, the master key that's derived from it (where the private keys are derived from) is computed in a one-way function (HMAC SHA512).
Then from the master private key, the wallet derives the private keys at specific derivation paths (check in each address info in the addresses tab).
By having the wrong seed phrase, the wallet will derive an entirely different master key that'll derive a different set of private keys to addresses.

Then using the info in the link above, you can see that it's not possible to get the private key from the address or public key since it's the very nature why Bitcoin is secure.
And lastly, the transaction's data doesn't contain anything that'll reveal the private key.

Quote from: Z-tight on November 05, 2023, 06:11:40 PM

If you have the right seed and you have restored the wallet, but you cannot see your funds but a tx sending the funds out, then your funds has probably been sent out by an attacker

He said in first page that the restored wallet is empty.

Yeah. It did not make sense to me to be possible recovery, but had to ask.

Yes, the wallet from the seed I have is empty.
I still can't figure out what went wrong.

I tried changing the seed words a bit to see if I did a spelling mistake, but then I can't create a wallet.
I am guessing, after all, there is some brute force protection.
So, I track it all with the transfer ID, now I can watch the funds..... so far and yet so close....
Well, lesson learned

And there is no way to reclame this funds back?
What happens to such lost coins?

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Quote from: rocnogu on November 05, 2023, 05:16:43 PM

Anyhow, I have the TxID, Address, basically all the info for the transaction. I manage to do some "watching only" wallet and I can see the funds.
Is there a way to restore wallet based on this data, assuming I have the wrong seed?
Way to get the right seed? Anything?

Those are already public data stored in every Bitcoin node's blockchain.
If it's possible, then all Bitcoins including those owned by everyone can be "recovered" with that method.

Here's some basic information about how Bitcoin works: learnmeabitcoin.com/beginners/keys_addresses
(you can also go further to "technical" tab to get a deeper understanding on the inner workings of Bitcoin)

Basically,
The data that the wallet needs to own funds is to have the necessary private key(s) to be able to unlock the locking script of those unspent transaction outputs.

As for the seed phrase, the master key that's derived from it (where the private keys are derived from) is computed in a one-way function (HMAC SHA512).
Then from the master private key, the wallet derives the private keys at specific derivation paths (check in each address info in the addresses tab).
By having the wrong seed phrase, the wallet will derive an entirely different master key that'll derive a different set of private keys to addresses.

Then using the info in the link above, you can see that it's not possible to get the private key from the address or public key since it's the very nature why Bitcoin is secure.
And lastly, the transaction's data doesn't contain anything that'll reveal the private key.

Quote from: Z-tight on November 05, 2023, 06:11:40 PM

If you have the right seed and you have restored the wallet, but you cannot see your funds but a tx sending the funds out, then your funds has probably been sent out by an attacker

He said in first page that the restored wallet is empty.

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Quote from: rocnogu on November 05, 2023, 05:16:43 PM

I think you have waaaaaay too good opinion about the community. This is why I said: OceanGate, FTX, Theranos, Wirecard and Enron.
The community thought that all of those are good ideas working perfectly, till... well, google it.

You are talking about centralized services, at least i know of ftx in that list. No member of the community who knows what they are doing would recommend that you store your funds in a centralized service. Electrum is different, it is open source and you run the software locally in your device, you can also verify your download and also verify everything locally if you run your own node, comparing Electrum with some failed centralized services makes zero sense.

Quote from: rocnogu on November 05, 2023, 05:16:43 PM

Again, since I can restore ANY seed, what stops some people from stealing funds?

I find it hard to understand you here, you cannot restore your wallet without the seed phrase, if you have the seed phrase to your wallet, you can always restore it. What stops people from stealing your funds is that it is not possible for them to get your seed phrase or keys, except you expose it, or you use your wallet in an online device and you get hacked and your keys stolen.

Quote from: rocnogu on November 05, 2023, 05:16:43 PM

And again, I do have the right seed. No idea what could go wrong.

Anyhow, I have the TxID, Address, basically all the info for the transaction. I manage to do some "watching only" wallet and I can see the funds.
Is there a way to restore wallet based on this data, assuming I have the wrong seed?
Way to get the right seed? Anything?

If you have the right seed and you have restored the wallet, but you cannot see your funds but a tx sending the funds out, then your funds has probably been sent out by an attacker, post the tx ID here. Some of what you say is hard to understand, it would be better if you can be much clearer, do you see a tx sending the funds to another address, a tx that was not made by you?

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Quote from: Z-tight on November 01, 2023, 06:44:02 PM

Quote from: rocnogu on October 31, 2023, 11:07:52 AM

Blame it on the user.
...
Electrum is garbage. It doesn't do the one thing it is created to do.

Electrum is open source and you can review the code and verify how the keys were generated, if there was a vulnerability in Electrum, the community would know very quickly. Take note that when you use Electrum wallet, your keys and seed phrase is stored locally in your wallet file and encrypted with a password, if you use your device is an online and unsafe enviroment and lose your funds, it has nothing to do with Electrum, but your opsec. Electrum do not store users' keys or seed phrase.

There was a vulnerability that was exploited in Electrum in the past, but all of that has been patched, i believe that is what you are talking about. Being sour and trolling like you are doing now wouldn't help you recover your funds, it is better to learn about better security practices so that it won't happen again.

Well, yes. One of the new practices is not to use such craps as Electrum.
I think you have waaaaaay too good opinion about the community. This is why I said: OceanGate, FTX, Theranos, Wirecard and Enron.
The community thought that all of those are good ideas working perfectly, till... well, google it.
Again, since I can restore ANY seed, what stops some people from stealing funds?

And again, I do have the right seed. No idea what could go wrong.

Anyhow, I have the TxID, Address, basically all the info for the transaction. I manage to do some "watching only" wallet and I can see the funds.
Is there a way to restore wallet based on this data, assuming I have the wrong seed?
Way to get the right seed? Anything?

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Quote from: khaled0111 on November 04, 2023, 05:52:09 PM

Yeah, the way people react, then being cunts and get same behavior in return.
"Surprised Pikachu face"

Helping doesn't give the right to be a cunt.
Cockwomble i believe is the word.

My mistake is that I trust some retarded app.
Now, I am trying to fix that mistake.
The fact that you people expect everyone using electrum to be an expert in electrum is enough proof of the toxic autistic environment.

Now, it's a different question why some retarded cunt would get offended from criticizing some third side app.
This is some woke level of bullshit, that as a normal human I can't relate to.
So, KARENs, you either try to help because of some virtues, or you are just being a cunt.

If you are not a retarded autistic woke cockwomble idiot cunt, please do help me to understand and maybe restore the wallet.
If not, well, we know what you are. And I am obviously ignoring all of those in the future.

For fuck's sake, the very fact that I have to do this now, is something.

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Quote from: rocnogu on October 31, 2023, 11:07:52 AM

To all this, I can say just few words: OceanGate, FTX, Theranos, Wirecard and Enron
With just a bit googling I found out a lot of people having problem with Electrum and disappearing funds.

Listen, child, you either want to help or you are just babbling around for who knows what reason.
WTF is a block explorer?
Why would you assume everyone knows WTF is going on and how to work with these things.

He was trying to help. So, at least show some respect even he wasn't able to solve your problem.
Sorry, but if you are dealing with cryptocurrencies and you don't even know what a blockexplorers is then I don't know how we can help you!
Stop blaming Electrum for your own.. mistakes.

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Quote from: rocnogu on October 31, 2023, 11:07:52 AM

Listen, child, you either want to help or you are just babbling around for who knows what reason.
WTF is a block explorer?
Why would you assume everyone knows WTF is going on and how to work with these things.

Listen fuckface, no one here is obliged to help you in any way. They do it out of their own goodwill. If you can't respect that, take your problems elsewhere. If you show respect and humility, you get the same back. If you refer to people who are trying to help you as "child", then you should get shit.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about or what you did, and that's why you are here. You don't know what a block explorer is, what a seed is, or how Electrum works. According to you, it's someone else's fault.

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Quote from: rocnogu on October 31, 2023, 11:07:52 AM

Blame it on the user.
...
Electrum is garbage. It doesn't do the one thing it is created to do.

Electrum is open source and you can review the code and verify how the keys were generated, if there was a vulnerability in Electrum, the community would know very quickly. Take note that when you use Electrum wallet, your keys and seed phrase is stored locally in your wallet file and encrypted with a password, if you use your device is an online and unsafe enviroment and lose your funds, it has nothing to do with Electrum, but your opsec. Electrum do not store users' keys or seed phrase.

Quote from: rocnogu on October 31, 2023, 11:07:52 AM

With just a bit googling I found out a lot of people having problem with Electrum and disappearing funds.

There was a vulnerability that was exploited in Electrum in the past, but all of that has been patched, i believe that is what you are talking about. Being sour and trolling like you are doing now wouldn't help you recover your funds, it is better to learn about better security practices so that it won't happen again.

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Quote from: Z-tight on October 29, 2023, 07:00:52 AM

Quote from: rocnogu on October 27, 2023, 11:28:37 AM

Electrum proves as garbage tho.

I don't know what exactly happened to your wallet, and it is normal when people lose funds because we cannot know how many means of possible attacks your device was exposed to. Take note that Electrum is a well reviewed and recommended wallet, but you also have to ensure you download the right Electrum, use it in a safe enviroment and store your backups safely, if you don't do that and lose your funds, it has nothing to do with Electrum. If you have other coins in different wallets, i believe now is the right time to start learning about opsec and how to keep your money in a very safe enviroment.

Electrum is a well reviewed and recommended wallet, loosing my funds.
Blame it on the user.
This sounds like a religion.
I suffer, because my faith is not strong enough!

Electrum is garbage. It doesn't do the one thing it is created to do.

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Quote from: Z-tight on October 29, 2023, 07:00:52 AM

Quote from: rocnogu on October 27, 2023, 11:28:37 AM

Electrum proves as garbage tho.

I don't know what exactly happened to your wallet, and it is normal when people lose funds because we cannot know how many means of possible attacks your device was exposed to. Take note that Electrum is a well reviewed and recommended wallet, but you also have to ensure you download the right Electrum, use it in a safe enviroment and store your backups safely, if you don't do that and lose your funds, it has nothing to do with Electrum. If you have other coins in different wallets, i believe now is the right time to start learning about opsec and how to keep your money in a very safe enviroment.

I don’t think this whole case of OP has actually anything to do with a restoration of a wrong wallet as we all are guessing, other members have even said he should present the old receiving address or check it using the explorer to check if there are funds actually there, although it would hamper his privacy but in cases like this you can later change your wallet. But OP keeps shying away from this and blames electrum. My biggest guess is the funds were moved to a different address and wallet, if at all the addresses of the wallet OP is get after restoration and the old addresses are the same. And if it is electrum that is not restoring the right wallet which I strongly doubt can ever happen then OP should confirm the details of that address on a block explorer. Although it is frustrating to lose one’s funds but you can’t blame a system that holds multiple of those funds for years with back door

To all this, I can say just few words: OceanGate, FTX, Theranos, Wirecard and Enron
With just a bit googling I found out a lot of people having problem with Electrum and disappearing funds.

Listen, child, you either want to help or you are just babbling around for who knows what reason.
WTF is a block explorer?
Why would you assume everyone knows WTF is going on and how to work with these things.

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Quote from: Z-tight on October 29, 2023, 07:00:52 AM

Quote from: rocnogu on October 27, 2023, 11:28:37 AM

Electrum proves as garbage tho.

I don't know what exactly happened to your wallet, and it is normal when people lose funds because we cannot know how many means of possible attacks your device was exposed to. Take note that Electrum is a well reviewed and recommended wallet, but you also have to ensure you download the right Electrum, use it in a safe enviroment and store your backups safely, if you don't do that and lose your funds, it has nothing to do with Electrum. If you have other coins in different wallets, i believe now is the right time to start learning about opsec and how to keep your money in a very safe enviroment.

I don’t think this whole case of OP has actually anything to do with a restoration of a wrong wallet as we all are guessing, other members have even said he should present the old receiving address or check it using the explorer to check if there are funds actually there, although it would hamper his privacy but in cases like this you can later change your wallet. But OP keeps shying away from this and blames electrum. My biggest guess is the funds were moved to a different address and wallet, if at all the addresses of the wallet OP is get after restoration and the old addresses are the same. And if it is electrum that is not restoring the right wallet which I strongly doubt can ever happen then OP should confirm the details of that address on a block explorer. Although it is frustrating to lose one’s funds but you can’t blame a system that holds multiple of those funds for years with back door

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Quote from: rocnogu on October 27, 2023, 11:28:37 AM

Electrum proves as garbage tho.

I don't know what exactly happened to your wallet, and it is normal when people lose funds because we cannot know how many means of possible attacks your device was exposed to. Take note that Electrum is a well reviewed and recommended wallet, but you also have to ensure you download the right Electrum, use it in a safe enviroment and store your backups safely, if you don't do that and lose your funds, it has nothing to do with Electrum. If you have other coins in different wallets, i believe now is the right time to start learning about opsec and how to keep your money in a very safe enviroment.

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Have you compared the addresses in the restored wallet with addresses from the original wallet? Do the addresses begin with the same letters?

You can see all the addresses by going to view menu > check addresses and switch to addresses tab.

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Quote from: rocnogu on October 27, 2023, 11:28:37 AM

Electrum proves as garbage tho.
I was thinking, I can't personally do it, but nothing stops a good programmer to automate wallet creations with random seeds and get random wallets till find one with something inside and just take it.
Since all he has to do is have a valid seed.

Yeah, so as all wallets that use mnemonic phrase backup, this isn't just a problem with Electrum. (Bitcoin Core doesn't use mnemonic)
All the programmer has to do is to wait for his script to find a hit within the 2048^12 range of word combinations, maybe after 5trillion years.

Quote from: rocnogu on October 27, 2023, 11:28:37 AM

There are no profiles in electrum, I assume and no way to get my coins back!

There are profiles (core developers) who are working on Electrum's development here: https://github.com/orgs/spesmilo/people
But they do not have access to every Electrum user's funds, users' master keys are locally saved in the individual's own drive.
There's source code that you may audit to see if it's really the case: https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum

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Quote from: rocnogu on October 27, 2023, 11:28:37 AM

So, I tried to restore the wallet file from the drive, but it's gone. It's nothing there.
I guess, this is it.

Do you mean you can't see the wallet file on the old hdd? If yes then maybe you have accedently deleted it! Try using a good file recovery software and maybe you will get lucky and recover it.

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Electrum proves as garbage tho.

I beg to differ. Electrum is probably one of the most secure SPV wallets out there. Keeping the seed safe and secure is the responsibility of the user.

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Quote from: rocnogu on October 27, 2023, 11:28:37 AM

So, I tried to restore the wallet file from the drive, but it's gone. It's nothing there.

What do you mean by it's gone? Do you see any outgoing transaction?
If that's the case and you didn't make the outgoing transaction, it means that you used a fake version of electrum or your device was compromised. It's also possible that someone had access to your seed phrase. An electrum's seed phrase provides 132 bits of entropy and as mentioned above by satscraper, that's secure enough.

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Quote from: rocnogu on October 27, 2023, 11:28:37 AM

nothing stops a good programmer to automate wallet creations with random seeds and get random wallets till find one with something inside and just take it.

Nope, there is one factor that will stop him and this is a time. The number of guesses he should face to get the correct SEED (2048^12 for 12-words seed and 2048^24 for 24 words) is too big for any realistic computational power even if it were proceed with the task during the lifetime of the whole Universe.

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So, I tried to restore the wallet file from the drive, but it's gone. It's nothing there.
I guess, this is it.

Electrum proves as garbage tho.
I was thinking, I can't personally do it, but nothing stops a good programmer to automate wallet creations with random seeds and get random wallets till find one with something inside and just take it.
Since all he has to do is have a valid seed.

There are no profiles in electrum, I assume and no way to get my coins back!

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Quote from: satscraper on October 21, 2023, 05:11:36 AM

Quote from: rocnogu on October 20, 2023, 10:25:52 AM

I change my computer and tried to recover the electrum wallet with the seed, followed the instructions and.... the wallet is empty.
Any idea what's going on?

Just my guess.

The wallet you have tried to restore might be a 2FA type. If this is a case then restoring it just from SEED will result in getting completely different addresses.

Thus, try to restore your wallet by selecting "Wallet with two-factor authentication" and check the result:

Quote from: https://electrum.readthedocs.io/en/latest/2fa.html

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/10/21/TwDnD.png

Looks like you have entered a valid seed of type 'segwit' but this dialog does not support such seeds. If unsure, try restoring as 'Standard wallet'.

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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on October 21, 2023, 05:36:49 AM

Quote from: satscraper on October 21, 2023, 05:11:36 AM

The wallet you have tried to restore might be a 2FA type. If this is a case then restoring it just from SEED will result in getting completely different addresses.

This is not possible.
You can't generate a standard wallet using a seed phrase that has been generated for a 2FA wallet. Once you enter a 2FA seed phrase, electrum displays a message saying that the seed type is 2FA.

Take note that any electrum's seed phrase contains a version number which makes the seed phrase generate only one type of wallet.

Thanks for contribution into my knowledge regarding the use of Electrum.

In fact that was solely my assumption aiming to help OP with his problem.

I stick hard to Sparrow and use Electrum on a rare cases. That is why I has assumed that 2FA SEED can be used to generate ordinary (not-2FA) wallet.

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Quote from: Charles-Tim on October 21, 2023, 06:12:14 AM

This is definitely correct. But not a message that the seed phrase is for 2FA, but to 2FA recovery page to either enable or disable the 2FA.

Right. Electrum allows your to recover your 2FA wallet, even if you have selected "Standard wallet" in the "Create new wallet" window and after you click on "Next", you will be able to choose between keeping and disabling 2FA.

But I was referring to the message displayed below the seed phrase box after entering a 2FA seed phrase.

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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on October 21, 2023, 05:36:49 AM

You can't generate a standard wallet using a seed phrase that has been generated for a 2FA wallet. Once you enter a 2FA seed phrase, electrum displays a message saying that the seed type is 2FA.

Take note that any electrum's seed phrase contains a version number which makes the seed phrase generate only one type of wallet.

This is definitely correct. But not a message that the seed phrase is for 2FA, but to 2FA recovery page to either enable or disable the 2FA. Which means the person that wants to recover the wallet can proceed directly to restore the 2FA wallet, despite on that he clicked on standard wallet.

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Quote from: satscraper on October 21, 2023, 05:11:36 AM

The wallet you have tried to restore might be a 2FA type. If this is a case then restoring it just from SEED will result in getting completely different addresses.

This is not possible.
You can't generate a standard wallet using a seed phrase that has been generated for a 2FA wallet. Once you enter a 2FA seed phrase, electrum displays a message saying that the seed type is 2FA.

Take note that any electrum's seed phrase contains a version number which makes the seed phrase generate only one type of wallet.

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Quote from: rocnogu on October 20, 2023, 10:25:52 AM

I change my computer and tried to recover the electrum wallet with the seed, followed the instructions and.... the wallet is empty.
Any idea what's going on?

Just my guess.

The wallet you have tried to restore might be a 2FA type. If this is a case then restoring it just from SEED will result in getting completely different addresses.

Thus, try to restore your wallet by selecting "Wallet with two-factor authentication" and check the result:

Quote from: https://electrum.readthedocs.io/en/latest/2fa.html

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Quote from: rocnogu on October 20, 2023, 05:18:19 PM

Why those files are in C and not in the installation folder, is very strange.
Every time you loose OS, you loose and the wallets.
I have to admit, Electrum seems like complete garbage.

And that's what the seed phrase is for.

Most wallets including Bitcoin Core does it too, it saves the wallet in the data directory which defaults to the same upper directory as Electrum's.
In fact, most applications does it, Games don't save the savedata in the same game directory, etc.
The most probable reason is if the user decided to uninstall or update, the wallets and other user data wont be overwritten or deleted.

Quote from: rocnogu on October 20, 2023, 05:18:19 PM

What are BIP39 and SLIP39 seeds? Should I try with them?

Both options aren't available when creating a new wallet.
Those will only show during restore (I already have a seed phrase).

SLIP39: https://github.com/satoshilabs/slips/blob/master/slip-0039.md
It's basically multiple seed phrases from your BIP39 seed. It should be provided with enough required shares to be restored.

"BIP39" checkbox forces BIP39 derivation to the seed phrase which changes the default passphrase from "electrum+extension" to "mnemonic+extension".
But unlike in actual BIP39 wallets, Electrum wont enforce the checksum or wordlist, only displays if it's valid or not; even invalid seed phrase can be restored.
So unless did something 'special' during wallet creation like going from "create a new seed" (copy) to "I already have a seed phrase" to enable the checkbox, you wont have to bother with this option.
Note: Some users do that to generate P2SH-SegWit with Electrum.

Quote from: rocnogu on October 20, 2023, 10:25:52 AM

Any idea what's going on?

How old is the wallet file?
Do you have a screenshot of the original wallet that shows the wallet type next to the wallet name?

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Quote from: rocnogu on October 20, 2023, 02:18:03 PM

The green dot is here. It's on "select server automatically" by default. I switched to some electrum servers just to check.
There is no transaction history.
It's completely empty.

1st step if you want to recover your wallet is to make sure your address is correct and the same as one.
If the address is different, it means you entered a different seed or you have forgotten the seed passphrase (password after electrum seed).

So if the address is correct, and there is no history on your wallet, you just make sure the internet is connected and the wallet is connect to the Electrum server.

Quote from: rocnogu on October 20, 2023, 05:18:19 PM

It seems like the wallet location is in C drive. So, it's gone.

to make sure the electrum folder is really gone, go to keyboard: windows+r and type: %appdata%,

Quote from: rocnogu on October 20, 2023, 05:18:19 PM

What are BIP39 and SLIP39 seeds? Should I try with them?

BIP39 is a mnemonic seed that is different from the electrum seed, You use the electrum seed, so you have to ignore it (BIP39),
you can't import that BIP39 seed (without ticking the option BIP39) on the Electrum wallet.

while SLIP39 is applied from the BIP39 seed, That SLIP39 word is derivative, where you must have much knowledge to implement it to electrum wallet.

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Quote from: rocnogu on October 20, 2023, 05:18:19 PM

Why those files are in C and not in the installation folder, is very strange.

You could save the wallet file on any other location, but you didn't and the wallet file was saved in the default directory.

Quote from: rocnogu on October 20, 2023, 05:18:19 PM

I restored the seed from the old hdd and it is the right one.
So, the problem is not the seed. Its the right one.

You don't have the correct seed phrase.

Quote from: rocnogu on October 20, 2023, 05:18:19 PM

What are BIP39 and SLIP39 seeds? Should I try with them?

No.
Since you generated your seed phrase using electrum itself and you could create a wallet with that, it can't be BIP39 or SLIP39.

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Quote from: khaled0111 on October 20, 2023, 04:51:37 PM

Can you tell us what instructions did you follow to recover your wallet?
If you are totally certain you didn't make any mistake while typing the seed and the wallet is fully synced (green dot) but there is nothing in the history tab then you, definitely, imported the wrong wallet.

Since you still have access to your old hdd and assuming your wallet file is not corrupted then all you have to do is to move it to your new device and use Electrum to open it. You will need its password.

https://bitcoinelectrum.com/restoring-your-standard-wallet-from-seed/

The restore is straight easy. I Google it just to be sure I don't make mistakes.

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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on October 20, 2023, 03:07:24 PM

Quote from: rocnogu on October 20, 2023, 02:44:52 PM

But I can still try to recover some data from the old hdd.
That might help.
Any idea how?

If you still have your wallet on that HDD, you can simply copy the wallet file to your new computer.
To know your wallet file location, click here and visit electrum FAQ.

You can also export your seed phrase from the wallet and create a new wallet by importing that in your new computer.
To do so, you should click on "Wallet" at top of the window and select "Seed".

It seems like the wallet location is in C drive. So, it's gone.
Why those files are in C and not in the installation folder, is very strange.
Every time you loose OS, you loose and the wallets.
I have to admit, Electrum seems like complete garbage.
Now I have to do miracles to restore a wallet for which I actually have the seed.

I can restore the whole Electrum app, but what for? Completely useless.

I restored the seed from the old hdd and it is the right one.
So, the problem is not the seed. Its the right one.

What are BIP39 and SLIP39 seeds? Should I try with them?

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Can you tell us what instructions did you follow to recover your wallet?
If you are totally certain you didn't make any mistake while typing the seed and the wallet is fully synced (green dot) but there is nothing in the history tab then you, definitely, imported the wrong wallet.

Since you still have access to your old hdd and assuming your wallet file is not corrupted then all you have to do is to move it to your new device and use Electrum to open it. You will need its password.

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Quote from: rocnogu on October 20, 2023, 02:32:16 PM

Well, the hhd is still here.
Any guide how to?

You said, 'I changed my computer.' Do you still have access to the old computer? Does it work? Can you run Electrum on it?

By the way, it's better to do wallet recovery on a new computer while you still have access to the old one, just in case something goes wrong, like in this example. But as long as you have saved your seed phrase, you should not have any problems with wallet recovery. I suggest you try again, slowly, step by step. If you can, take screenshots of each step (censor sensitive parts like backup seed phrase, wallet address, etc.) and post them here so we can see. I dont know what the problem is in your case, but it is probably something trivial.

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Quote from: rocnogu on October 20, 2023, 02:44:52 PM

But I can still try to recover some data from the old hdd.
That might help.
Any idea how?

If you still have your wallet on that HDD, you can simply copy the wallet file to your new computer.
To know your wallet file location, click here and visit electrum FAQ.

You can also export your seed phrase from the wallet and create a new wallet by importing that in your new computer.
To do so, you should click on "Wallet" at top of the window and select "Seed".

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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on October 20, 2023, 02:34:33 PM

Quote from: rocnogu on October 20, 2023, 02:24:41 PM

I don't even know what is this passphrase.

Passphrase is a combination of characters or words added to your seed phrase for extra security. If you extend your seed phrase with a passphrase, you will get completely different addresses and you will need that whenever you want to recover your wallet from seed phrase.
The passphrase is also called "13th word" or "custom words".

According to 2-b in your reply, it seems that you had no passphrase.

Quote from: rocnogu on October 20, 2023, 02:24:41 PM

2-b - did not extend the seed with custom words

A, ok. No, I did not add anything.

But I can still try to recover some data from the old hdd.
That might help.
Any idea how?

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Quote from: rocnogu on October 20, 2023, 02:24:41 PM

I don't even know what is this passphrase.

Passphrase is a combination of characters or words added to your seed phrase for extra security. If you extend your seed phrase with a passphrase, you will get completely different addresses and you will need that whenever you want to recover your wallet from seed phrase.
The passphrase is also called "13th word" or "custom words".

According to 2-b in your reply, it seems that you had no passphrase.

Quote from: rocnogu on October 20, 2023, 02:24:41 PM

2-b - did not extend the seed with custom words

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Quote from: Charles-Tim on October 20, 2023, 02:19:04 PM

Quote from: rocnogu on October 20, 2023, 02:18:03 PM

The green dot is here. It's on "select server automatically" by default. I switched to some electrum servers just to check.
There is no transaction history.
It's completely empty.

Likely you used passphrase or you use a wrong seed phrase.

If you can still have access your your old laptop, it would be better and do all possible means to recover your wallet through it and check your seed phrase there.

Well, the hhd is still here.
Any guide how to?

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Quote from: rocnogu on October 20, 2023, 02:24:41 PM

-snip-
I don't even know what is this passphrase.
Can i check if i have one?

Not really. If you added a passphrase to your seed when you first setup the wallet, then you should use that, otherwise, there's really no way to know. If you use your seedphrase with or without the passphrase, you will still be able to generate a wallet.

Do you have one of the addresses you used to receive funds? Maybe you could use that, to see if you have it in this wallet you just restored. If not, it means you restored the wrong wallet.

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Quote from: Zaguru12 on October 20, 2023, 10:46:29 AM

Let’s get back to where you restored the wallet, hope you did that correctly because electrum has two seed formats. Make sure you’re doing restoration right. You can as well follow this process here https://bitcoinelectrum.com/frequently-asked-questions/#why-does-restoring-my-wallet-from-seed-lead-to-a-different-wallet

Also if the previous seed had a passphrase and you forgot to add it then it might show an empty wallet.

If all this are ok then try the tips above by Omega

I did those. Still nothing.

1-a - Did it
1-b - there is no history
1-c - I never touch this

2-a - checked.
2-b - did not extend the seed with custom words
2-c - no
2-d - no
2-e - wtf bug... but no. had only 1 wallet
2-f - no. same. Had only 1 wallet. I checked the seed 3 times and save it on 3 different places.

***

I don't even know what is this passphrase.
Can i check if i have one?

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Quote from: rocnogu on October 20, 2023, 02:18:03 PM

The green dot is here. It's on "select server automatically" by default. I switched to some electrum servers just to check.
There is no transaction history.
It's completely empty.

Likely you used passphrase or you use a wrong seed phrase.

If you can still have access your your old laptop, it would be better and do all possible means to recover your wallet through it and check your seed phrase there.

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Quote from: OmegaStarScream on October 20, 2023, 10:26:39 AM

Quote from: rocnogu on October 20, 2023, 10:25:52 AM

I change my computer and tried to recover the electrum wallet with the seed, followed the instructions and.... the wallet is empty.
Any idea what's going on?

Start by first making sure that you're connected to Elcetrum's server and there's a green dot on the bottom right corner of the app, and then check your transaction history, can you see any funds being sent to addresses you cannot recognize?

The green dot is here. It's on "select server automatically" by default. I switched to some electrum servers just to check.
There is no transaction history.
It's completely empty.

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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on October 20, 2023, 11:29:31 AM

Quote from: Zaguru12 on October 20, 2023, 10:46:29 AM

Let’s get back to where you restored the wallet, hope you did that correctly because electrum has two seed formats.

What do you mean by "two seed formats"? Are you talking about the script type?

In the case the seed phrase has been generated by electrum itself, its type is recognized by electrum once you enter it.
It's not possible to generate a legacy wallet from a segwit seed phrase or vice versa.

If the seed phrase has not been generated by electrum and that's BIP39, there would be three script types, not two.

The scripts was what I meant, since OP didn’t specify maybe he generated the seed from electrum but rather was trying to recover his electrum wallet which could have been an old seed not generated by electrum but previously used on electrum before the change of his computer

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Quote from: Zaguru12 on October 20, 2023, 10:46:29 AM

Let’s get back to where you restored the wallet, hope you did that correctly because electrum has two seed formats.

What do you mean by "two seed formats"? Are you talking about the script type?

In the case the seed phrase has been generated by electrum itself, its type is recognized by electrum once you enter it.
It's not possible to generate a legacy wallet from a segwit seed phrase or vice versa.

If the seed phrase has not been generated by electrum and that's BIP39, there would be three script types, not two.

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Let’s get back to where you restored the wallet, hope you did that correctly because electrum has two seed formats. Make sure you’re doing restoration right. You can as well follow this process here https://bitcoinelectrum.com/frequently-asked-questions/#why-does-restoring-my-wallet-from-seed-lead-to-a-different-wallet

Also if the previous seed had a passphrase and you forgot to add it then it might show an empty wallet.

If all this are ok then try the tips above by Omega

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Quote from: rocnogu on October 20, 2023, 10:25:52 AM

I change my computer and tried to recover the electrum wallet with the seed, followed the instructions and.... the wallet is empty.
Any idea what's going on?

Start by first making sure that you're connected to Elcetrum's server and there's a green dot on the bottom right corner of the app, and then check your transaction history, can you see any funds being sent to addresses you cannot recognize?

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I change my computer and tried to recover the electrum wallet with the seed, followed the instructions and.... the wallet is empty.
Any idea what's going on?

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