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Quote from: lucifur on April 28, 2023, 06:36:55 AM

Hi everyone, a few days ago he made a post here asking for someone to do a data entry job and he also had one before about designing images.

He agreed on making a deal but after asking for atleast an escrow or a downpayment he no longer respond to my message.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/loabiti33-3544144

There is no money involved yet but I just want to put this as a warning incase he makes another post here asking for help. Atleast a decent guy will reply that he no longer need someone for the job instead of ghosting.

It's possible for some persons to act this way for reasons personally known to them but in this case lets try to sway our mind by asking the question: what if he's suddenly battling with some health incident after the whole post which now impedes the poster from given a feedback to you.
Except the poster is still active after making the post, having a deal with you and then not replying there then it can be assumed he/she is ghosting. OP what I expect you to do now is to take your mind of it as one of those normal fail deals we encounter in businesses.

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Quote from: lucifur on April 28, 2023, 07:57:54 AM

Quote from: _act_ on April 28, 2023, 06:42:10 AM

Anyone can come on this forum that needs someone's service in return for money. What I am saying is that you supposed to add the person's username so that we can all know the person's username.

Sorry , I forgot to add the profile link. I added it.

Also as I mentioned. No money was involved but his actions was unethical and something that should be avoided.

The business world has a standard business approach that should be followed. It is possible that this user doesn't understand business ethics which was why he refused to respond. He might feel that since no party has performed any service or made any payment, the business can be called off without information. I have experienced this behavior many times with prospective clients. Maybe he has gotten another person to perform the service. But the ideal thing was to inform you of his final decision. He has not been active since April 26th, so there might be the possibility that he might be going through some unpleasant situation. However, Op took a good decision by requesting an escrow, and thank God nobody got cheated.

Most times it is not about knowing the business ethics of getting back to your client when the terms of agreement are not soothing to you. It is sometimes a thing of tight schedules. I have seen myself in such a situation where I'll message someone about a service and maybe I will message more than 1 person and because of schedules or the job is not kicking off immediately. I'll forget to complete the conversation until when I'm ready, I'll scroll through my chat to restart the conversation.
However, no matter how busy I'll be, I'll never forget to drop a simple and short message like "I'll get back". Then, it means I'll get back and it's not a crime if I never get back again.

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Quote from: Fiatless on May 08, 2023, 07:55:40 AM

Quote from: lucifur on April 28, 2023, 07:57:54 AM

Quote from: _act_ on April 28, 2023, 06:42:10 AM

Anyone can come on this forum that needs someone's service in return for money. What I am saying is that you supposed to add the person's username so that we can all know the person's username.

Sorry , I forgot to add the profile link. I added it.

Also as I mentioned. No money was involved but his actions was unethical and something that should be avoided.

The business world has a standard business approach that should be followed. It is possible that this user doesn't understand business ethics which was why he refused to respond. He might feel that since no party has performed any service or made any payment, the business can be called off without information. I have experienced this behavior many times with prospective clients. Maybe he has gotten another person to perform the service. But the ideal thing was to inform you of his final decision. He has not been active since April 26th, so there might be the possibility that he might be going through some unpleasant situation. However, Op took a good decision by requesting an escrow, and thank God nobody got cheated.

That was a good move by OP. You know things happens and we have no idea why he has not been online for sometime now. Although such experience is not a new thing to me as I know how to handle such when ever it occurs. OP should just forget about him as there is every possibility that he or she might have gotten another source for the job or something might have happened but however, if he or she is genuine, their is every possiblity that they would return back to OP for continuation of their deal.

OP, at this point I will advise to keep watch he just might come back but this time be sure to confirm with escrow before you proceed with your agreement.

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Quote from: lucifur on April 28, 2023, 07:57:54 AM

Quote from: _act_ on April 28, 2023, 06:42:10 AM

Anyone can come on this forum that needs someone's service in return for money. What I am saying is that you supposed to add the person's username so that we can all know the person's username.

Sorry , I forgot to add the profile link. I added it.

Also as I mentioned. No money was involved but his actions was unethical and something that should be avoided.

The business world has a standard business approach that should be followed. It is possible that this user doesn't understand business ethics which was why he refused to respond. He might feel that since no party has performed any service or made any payment, the business can be called off without information. I have experienced this behavior many times with prospective clients. Maybe he has gotten another person to perform the service. But the ideal thing was to inform you of his final decision. He has not been active since April 26th, so there might be the possibility that he might be going through some unpleasant situation. However, Op took a good decision by requesting an escrow, and thank God nobody got cheated.

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Quote from: MainIbem on May 04, 2023, 12:09:07 PM

This is one thing about this users, I don't know if they intentionally wanna pull people's legs whenever they mentioned of hiring someone for a job or task after which you may have finish the design or task you might not get feedback from them anymore, sometimes ago I was as well contacted for a data job which I was asked to download all sorts of software on my laptop.

After which he was promising to pay the next day though we didn't succeed with the task but saying of paying for my time which I agreed with him or she but getting to the next day I was blocked on telegram and all our conversation was wiped away by him.
So after that I learnt a lesson of never to pay attention to newbies that wants someone to do some task for them to pay.

So far, i know there are no restrictions on ranks in rendering services and it would be very unfair not to allow some certain ranks in doing such but the rate at which newbies just get registered without much activities start putting up task requesting for services of members and after which they abscond is not good it demoralizes and discourage someone. I wish it could be possible that the forum administrator looks into this and clearly come up with a policy restricting newbies to start putting up services.
This is my opinion if newbies should be allowed to do such;
If any newbie should be allowed to render services, they must have escrow the funds to a reputable high rank member here on a neutral ground so if they abscond, the escrow would have no choice of releasing the funds after some number of days past waiting for the newbie to resurface and lastly,

In the absence of wanting an escrow, a newbie should have had some certain numbers of activities to qualify them to put up job offer so if they abscond, they have something lightly to loose.

This would be nice in checkmating the activities of newbies who claim to be offering services to members here.

Usually I don't think if this has anything to do with administrators or mods is left for us to seek for the escrow funds before starting up the task per say. I believe this forum is a free and fair community that allows anyone to post any job offers, it's then left for you and I to choose whether to work or seek to escrow funds, or even asking for part payment before continuing the task.
However, I have learnt my lessons and that's a new method I have to apply by seeking for and escrow before starting up Job.

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Quote from: MainIbem on May 04, 2023, 12:09:07 PM

This is one thing about this users, I don't know if they intentionally wanna pull people's legs whenever they mentioned of hiring someone for a job or task after which you may have finish the design or task you might not get feedback from them anymore, sometimes ago I was as well contacted for a data job which I was asked to download all sorts of software on my laptop.

After which he was promising to pay the next day though we didn't succeed with the task but saying of paying for my time which I agreed with him or she but getting to the next day I was blocked on telegram and all our conversation was wiped away by him.
So after that I learnt a lesson of never to pay attention to newbies that wants someone to do some task for them to pay.

So far, i know there are no restrictions on ranks in rendering services and it would be very unfair not to allow some certain ranks in doing such but the rate at which newbies just get registered without much activities start putting up task requesting for services of members and after which they abscond is not good it demoralizes and discourage someone. I wish it could be possible that the forum administrator looks into this and clearly come up with a policy restricting newbies to start putting up services.
This is my opinion if newbies should be allowed to do such;
If any newbie should be allowed to render services, they must have escrow the funds to a reputable high rank member here on a neutral ground so if they abscond, the escrow would have no choice of releasing the funds after some number of days past waiting for the newbie to resurface and lastly,

In the absence of wanting an escrow, a newbie should have had some certain numbers of activities to qualify them to put up job offer so if they abscond, they have something lightly to loose.

This would be nice in checkmating the activities of newbies who claim to be offering services to members here.

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This is one thing about this users, I don't know if they intentionally wanna pull people's legs whenever they mentioned of hiring someone for a job or task after which you may have finish the design or task you might not get feedback from them anymore, sometimes ago I was as well contacted for a data job which I was asked to download all sorts of software on my laptop.

After which he was promising to pay the next day though we didn't succeed with the task but saying of paying for my time which I agreed with him or she but getting to the next day I was blocked on telegram and all our conversation was wiped away by him.
So after that I learnt a lesson of never to pay attention to newbies that wants someone to do some task for them to pay.

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If it's assumed that it's only a small value deal, you're actually giving a difficult choice. Even just the cost of using an escrow service can't cover the actual transaction value, on the other hand (sorry to say) you're not trusted enough in the eyes of clients. Simply put, there are some consumer behaviors that must be understood such as the typical person who doesn't like small talk. Not giving final confirmation can be considered refusing the deal as long as there is no potential financial loss for both parties.

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Quote from: lucifur on April 28, 2023, 06:36:55 AM

Hi everyone, a few days ago he made a post here asking for someone to do a data entry job and he also had one before about designing images.

He agreed on making a deal but after asking for atleast an escrow or a downpayment he no longer respond to my message.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/loabiti33-3544144

There is no money involved yet but I just want to put this as a warning incase he makes another post here asking for help. Atleast a decent guy will reply that he no longer need someone for the job instead of ghosting.

The account was created on march and a newbie without any reputation, then the account shouldn’t be trusted, you are even lucky you requested for escrow before making transaction with him. If you are trying to make transactions on the forum here with a newbie or even higher ranks, make sure you make use of reputable escrow service, the forum is a open space and no one should be trusted most especially a newbie with no reputation, after using the account for illegal activities, they can easily abandon the account and create new one.

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Quote from: Awaklara on April 29, 2023, 05:17:19 PM

OP, right now the best option for you is to ignore the account. So you won't get them anymore. besides with history posts, there won't be many members who trust and want to do business with him. so you don't need to worry. but thanks for sharing your experience. it would be a concern for anyone to be careful if they wish to work with or do business with anyone on the forum.

It is better ignoring the account as you have suggested to OP but I do not think it would be easy to forget about the experience though but I am ok with the way OP had to bring it to the notice of members of this platform to letting them know what is obtainable when dealing with that account so as to be extra cautious and careful if they choose to deal with the account.

What if the account holder decides to abandon that account and creates another to continue with his or her trickish activities with this account that has already been exposed by OP do you think it would be easy to identify him?

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OP, right now the best option for you is to ignore the account. So you won't get them anymore. besides with history posts, there won't be many members who trust and want to do business with him. so you don't need to worry. but thanks for sharing your experience. it would be a concern for anyone to be careful if they wish to work with or do business with anyone on the forum.

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Quote from: virasog on April 28, 2023, 06:01:55 PM

Quote from: Stalker22 on April 28, 2023, 02:57:03 PM

I get it that dealing with a newbie with no forum history is a risk, but it is not fair to generalize. There are some trustworthy newbies out there who are just trying to get started. However, I agree that it is a good idea to seek an reputable escrow if you want to have a safe deal with someone here.

How can a Newbie be trustworthy unless he has done previous transactions and have good feedback? It's better to hire a escrow to safeguard the interest of both the parties involved.

A newbie is any person who has registered on this forum, but it does not necessarily mean that she or he has no reputation at all. They may have expertise in other areas or forums, but are just starting to learn about the particular topic in this forum. This should be approached on a case-by-case basis, that is why I said not to generalize.

Quote from: virasog on April 28, 2023, 06:01:55 PM

Quote from: Stalker22 on April 28, 2023, 02:57:03 PM

The OP mentioned that there is no money involved, so there are no transactions.

How can you say that there was no money involved.
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I was responding to the member who suggested that the OP should publish evidence of the transactions.

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To be honest with you all, I won't judge this guy, simply because this is something I've done before when I was still pretty new on this forum, and trust me, I had no evil intentions of any kind, it just happens that, sometimes, I wil feel like i need this to be done, and need some one to do it for me, I will come on the forum to post about needing such a service, and immediately I find someone who's interested in doing the job, I will start feeling like I don't need that service yet, mostly due to other expenditures, and my type of person don't know how to tell clients to forget about providing the service I requested for, that I am no longer interested, I just go quiet..

So probably, this user is my type of person, what I would advice is, never you take any potential job or service serious, until the person or user interest in the job or service pays for it, this will save you alot of heart breaks and disappointments.

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Quote from: lucifur on April 28, 2023, 06:36:55 AM

Hi everyone, a few days ago he made a post here asking for someone to do a data entry job and he also had one before about designing images.

He agreed on making a deal but after asking for atleast an escrow or a downpayment he no longer respond to my message.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/loabiti33-3544144

There is no money involved yet but I just want to put this as a warning incase he makes another post here asking for help. Atleast a decent guy will reply that he no longer need someone for the job instead of ghosting.

I don't see a problem here. What do you want from us? Distrust him, tag him or flag him just because he stopped responding? Ghosting is not a crime. It is not ethical but being not ethical isn't a crime too. If you need a service you can create a topic and give out the details. You can state there that you won't do any business unless each party agrees to use an escrow. That way you will guarantee that you will only be getting applications from those who accept your terms.

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He might not be aware of the escrow culture or he might not be interested in going ahead with escrow. Unless he has scammed someone I think it is pointless to raise a topic and suspect him. If you are not comfortable working with him then leave the discussion rather than pointing fingers.

There have been recruitment for community management jobs on the Service board. I never seen anyone asking them to have an escrow account. This thread doesn't make any sense to me as you can't force someone who is giving you a job to necessarily have an escrow account before the recruiter hires someone.

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Quote from: lucifur on April 28, 2023, 06:36:55 AM

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When i also checked on your profile trust, it seems you have also been suspected to have participated in promoting a design for a scam campaign before, but am not using that as against you, but we all should be careful of what we give and take because it tells more about us in many ways even in our absent, because some may choose not to believe you on this base on your own feedback left on you as well.

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Quote from: virasog on April 28, 2023, 06:01:55 PM

How can a Newbie be trustworthy unless he has done previous transactions and have good feedback? It's better to hire a escrow to safeguard the interest of both the parties involved.

I think he meant about a honest person who has a newbie account rank in this forum, of course escrow is a must when the user has no reputation, but as you said it could be trusted when he already had done multiple successful transactions. However each user has their own preference to judge the trustworthiness, just like a person think $50 is big, while the others think it's small.

Quote from: Stalker22 on April 28, 2023, 02:57:03 PM

How can you say that there was no money involved. He was looking for help in design and artwork and in return for sure he would pay the money. Now if anyone help him in his work and he goes away without making payment, the person who worked for him won't get his money and hence his time and effort will be wasted.

As I said previously, if he has scammed anyone, there's should be a scam accusation created against him.

loabiti33 haven't ask @OP to create anything and he not promise anything to pay, @OP is put a big hope for loabiti33 to reply his message. If I were loabiti33, he might already find someone and don't want to reply the others because it's wasting time for him.

Quote from: lucifur on April 28, 2023, 07:57:54 AM

Also as I mentioned. No money was involved but his actions was unethical and something that should be avoided.

All you can do is leaving him a neutral feedback, nothing more.

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Quote from: Stalker22 on April 28, 2023, 02:57:03 PM

I get it that dealing with a newbie with no forum history is a risk, but it is not fair to generalize. There are some trustworthy newbies out there who are just trying to get started. However, I agree that it is a good idea to seek an reputable escrow if you want to have a safe deal with someone here.

How can a Newbie be trustworthy unless he has done previous transactions and have good feedback? It's better to hire a escrow to safeguard the interest of both the parties involved.

Quote from: Stalker22 on April 28, 2023, 02:57:03 PM

The OP mentioned that there is no money involved, so there are no transactions.

How can you say that there was no money involved. He was looking for help in design and artwork and in return for sure he would pay the money. Now if anyone help him in his work and he goes away without making payment, the person who worked for him won't get his money and hence his time and effort will be wasted.

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Quote from: CryptSafe on April 28, 2023, 09:17:06 AM

I will advise you to seek for an escrow if next time you want to have a deal with someone here. Do well to seek the expertise of a reputable member here so that you will be protected. As I see you are a new bie and the other too is a new bie. Here, there is actually every tendencies that most of these newbies account are scammers looking for unsuspecting participants to get away with. So in your on best interest, do well to do the needful and protect yourself.

I get it that dealing with a newbie with no forum history is a risk, but it is not fair to generalize. There are some trustworthy newbies out there who are just trying to get started. However, I agree that it is a good idea to seek an reputable escrow if you want to have a safe deal with someone here.

Quote from: CryptSafe on April 28, 2023, 09:17:06 AM

Lastly, get evidence of your conversations and transactions to back you up.

The OP mentioned that there is no money involved, so there are no transactions.

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Quote from: lucifur on April 28, 2023, 08:51:23 AM

Quote from: LoyceV on April 28, 2023, 08:24:42 AM

Quote from: lucifur on April 28, 2023, 06:36:55 AM

I just want to put this as a warning incase he makes another post here asking for help.

Everyone in their right mind should know by now that dealing with a Newbie with no forum history is a risk.

Quote from: FatFork on April 28, 2023, 07:05:04 AM

It doesn't necessarily mean that he is ghosting you. It's possible that he is dealing with some personal issues or just busy with other things.

Or he's limited by the 2 PMs a Newbie can send per day.

Yes. I understand this. I just thought maybe I can get a gig to get some funds so I messaged him anyway.

The conversation we had was on telegram so there is no reason he can't reply.

I will advise you to seek for an escrow if next time you want to have a deal with someone here. Do well to seek the expertise of a reputable member here so that you will be protected. As I see you are a new bie and the other too is a new bie. Here, there is actually every tendencies that most of these newbies account are scammers looking for unsuspecting participants to get away with. So in your on best interest, do well to do the needful and protect yourself.
Lastly, get evidence of your conversations and transactions to back you up.

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Quote from: LoyceV on April 28, 2023, 08:24:42 AM

Quote from: lucifur on April 28, 2023, 06:36:55 AM

I just want to put this as a warning incase he makes another post here asking for help.

Everyone in their right mind should know by now that dealing with a Newbie with no forum history is a risk.

Quote from: FatFork on April 28, 2023, 07:05:04 AM

It doesn't necessarily mean that he is ghosting you. It's possible that he is dealing with some personal issues or just busy with other things.

Or he's limited by the 2 PMs a Newbie can send per day.

Yes. I understand this. I just thought maybe I can get a gig to get some funds so I messaged him anyway.

The conversation we had was on telegram so there is no reason he can't reply.

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Quote from: lucifur on April 28, 2023, 06:36:55 AM

I just want to put this as a warning incase he makes another post here asking for help.

Everyone in their right mind should know by now that dealing with a Newbie with no forum history is a risk.

Quote from: FatFork on April 28, 2023, 07:05:04 AM

It doesn't necessarily mean that he is ghosting you. It's possible that he is dealing with some personal issues or just busy with other things.

Or he's limited by the 2 PMs a Newbie can send per day.

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Quote from: _act_ on April 28, 2023, 06:42:10 AM

Anyone can come on this forum that needs someone's service in return for money. What I am saying is that you supposed to add the person's username so that we can all know the person's username.

Sorry , I forgot to add the profile link. I added it.

Also as I mentioned. No money was involved but his actions was unethical and something that should be avoided.

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Quote from: Solosanz on April 28, 2023, 07:10:56 AM

Quote from: hugeblack on April 28, 2023, 07:05:44 AM

Is this the user @yiskadesign

I don't think @OP meant this user, but it's high likely loabiti33 because he opened two threads about data entry and design which has been mentioned by @OP above Online data entry jobs and text copy and paste. and Help required in art and designer work.

Since he only making a deal and you're not yet creating a job for him, he's not scam you, but he just unprofessional or unethical. If he was scam someone who previously work with him, that's user should have create a thread to accuse him, but as far as I can see, no one create a scam accusation thread.

Let's hear it from the horse's mouth about who he is talking about, he should put a name on his post because it cast doubts on all who offer similar services, no scam has been committed but we should not wait for that to happen and just warn members to never transact without an escrow, and the seller should be obligated to offer an escrow to protect the buyers.
If he chooses not and his service thread is moderated then a neutral will warn his potential clients.

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Quote from: hugeblack on April 28, 2023, 07:05:44 AM

Is this the user @yiskadesign

I don't think @OP meant this user, but it's high likely loabiti33 because he opened two threads about data entry and design which has been mentioned by @OP above Online data entry jobs and text copy and paste. and Help required in art and designer work.

Since he only making a deal and you're not yet creating a job for him, he's not scam you, but he just unprofessional or unethical. If he was scam someone who previously work with him, that's user should have create a thread to accuse him, but as far as I can see, no one create a scam accusation thread.

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Quote from: lucifur on April 28, 2023, 06:36:55 AM

He agreed on making a deal but after asking for atleast an escrow or a downpayment he no longer respond to my message.
There is no money involved yet but I just want to put this as a warning incase he makes another post here asking for help. Atleast a decent guy will reply that he no longer need someone for the job instead of ghosting.

Is this the user @yiskadesign
He's a newbie acc with only 7 posts and no trust history, so don't do any transaction with him unless he uses escrow (if you're both a newbie member) or sends a deposit if you're a trusted member.

If he refuses to do, put a trust warning and you can ask others to do it.

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Quote from: lucifur on April 28, 2023, 06:36:55 AM

Atleast a decent guy will reply that he no longer need someone for the job instead of ghosting.

It doesn't necessarily mean that he is ghosting you. It's possible that he is dealing with some personal issues or just busy with other things.

It's also possible that he may have been suspicious when you asked for a down payment. Given that your reputation on the forum is relatively unknown, it's understandable that some might not feel comfortable trusting you with money upfront without using escrow.

Also, as _act_ has already mentioned, it would be helpful if you could provide the username so that we don't have to guess. Wink

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Anyone can come on this forum that needs someone's service in return for money. What I am saying is that you supposed to add the person's username so that we can all know the person's username.

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Hi everyone, a few days ago he made a post here asking for someone to do a data entry job and he also had one before about designing images.

He agreed on making a deal but after asking for atleast an escrow or a downpayment he no longer respond to my message.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/loabiti33-3544144

There is no money involved yet but I just want to put this as a warning incase he makes another post here asking for help. Atleast a decent guy will reply that he no longer need someone for the job instead of ghosting.

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