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legendary
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January 09, 2019, 09:19:15 AM
#7
I'm looking for ways to hedge against volatility. Having been almost scammed by Bitfinex (read this topic for further info), I'm no longer interested in centralized exchanges offering this option

BitShares seems to offer what I need without the pitfalls of a centralized exchange, even though there are other potential drawbacks and dangers. I understand how smart coins work in general, but I'm not sure how reliable their networks are when under attack. In other words, if the network of such a coin is compromised and brought down, it will most definitely be a game over despite all its decentralization and robustness

So how to hedge against volatility in a smart and safe way (other than cashing out)?

The only thing you have without going to fiat is "cryptos" which simulate fiat, so we are talking about Tether, and all the other "USDcoins", of course there's nothing free in life, so by converting your BTC in one of these tokens you are gaining in certainty price wise, but you are losing in certainty in terms of knowing that what you own isn't going to disappear because the feds decide to crush Tether or whatever other USD-pegged coin as they start auditing accounts and things may not add up

There are quite a few ways to hedge against volatility using "regular" cryptocurrencies. The simplest and likely most straightforward and reliable (at least, this is what I thought till recently) method, which is my personal preference, is using covered shorts. Basically, you open a short position in some currency on an exchange which allows margin trading equal to the amount of your market exposure. You will have to provide some collateral and pay interest on borrowed funds but other than that, you would be 100% protected against volatility action

Until the exchange decides they know better and liquidate your position, for example, due to a "glitch" in their system

At this point I would consider my money safer on BTC regardless of price volatility. Once you realize that you either have a fixed price regulated by a government or sovereignty over your own money, you value BTC even more.

I actually agree with that but if you can effectively hedge against volatility, there is no reason not to do it
legendary
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January 09, 2019, 08:45:28 AM
#6
Volatility usually means price of something going up and down too quickly, however looking at your post you are just wondering how you can trade somewhere you know it will be safe, so which one do you want, a safe trading or a hedge against volatility? If less risk you want than I can suggest binance and shapeshift.

Binance because it looks like they are the most trusted place with about 2 billion dollars traded there and not many (actually none I know) problems going on with the customers and thats a good CV to have when you are looking to put your money in there.

Shapeshift because that is literally trading right there without keeping your money in anyone's wallet, it happens between your wallet to their wallet and vice versa which eliminates the trouble of centralization. However if the hedge against volatility is the price than I have no solution since if I knew one I would probably use it myself Cheesy.
legendary
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January 09, 2019, 03:28:36 AM
#5
centralized stablecoins like USDT have the same pitfalls as exchanges. they're essentially banks issuing fiat-backed money. if tether's bank accounts get frozen, your USDT could plummet in value. and if you hold USDT on an exchange like binance, you're exposed to the risk that binance is hacked

I want to get away from centralized solutions completely, which means going away from centralized exchanges too. In fact, I was pretty good at the task in question at Bitfinex, but when they can arbitrarily close your open positions without a warning (and then restore them, which adds even more injury to injury), this makes the whole effort pointless as once they do something to that tune, you instantly become exposed to market volatily

And I'm not even talking about such risks as losing your funds in their entirety due to hacks, thefts and similar shit

but decentralized stablecoins might offer a solution. i haven't completely wrapped my head around how the incentives work, but DAI is essentially tokenized ETH that is collateralized. it's a loan taken out against ETH. DAI has been pretty reliably pegged to the dollar for over a year now. it's completely decentralized---no custody. read more about it here.

I will look into it, thanks
legendary
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January 09, 2019, 03:28:02 AM
#4
I am having trouble understanding exactly what you are asking.

Are you looking to hedge against Bitcoin falling in value or just taking a trade based on the volatility index of BTC. Basically something like this:
https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.BVOL

At the moment I don't think anything like this exists for Bitcoin or any cryptos. It only exists for stock and its called the VIX index and you can basically bet which periods will have crazy volatility and other periods which will be quiet.

For Bitcoin it wouldn't make too much sense, because unlike stocks the volatility in BTC can also rise when price is heading upwards as well as downwards. Usually with stocks its only when the stocks are in the red, due to the fear factor.
legendary
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January 09, 2019, 03:05:34 AM
#3
centralized stablecoins like USDT have the same pitfalls as exchanges. they're essentially banks issuing fiat-backed money. if tether's bank accounts get frozen, your USDT could plummet in value. and if you hold USDT on an exchange like binance, you're exposed to the risk that binance is hacked.

but decentralized stablecoins might offer a solution. i haven't completely wrapped my head around how the incentives work, but DAI is essentially tokenized ETH that is collateralized. it's a loan taken out against ETH. DAI has been pretty reliably pegged to the dollar for over a year now. it's completely decentralized---no custody. read more about it here.
legendary
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January 08, 2019, 10:59:06 PM
#2
I'm looking for ways to hedge against volatility. Having been almost scammed by Bitfinex (read this topic for further info), I'm no longer interested in centralized exchanges offering this option

BitShares seems to offer what I need without the pitfalls of a centralized exchange, even though there are other potential drawbacks and dangers. I understand how smart coins work in general, but I'm not sure how reliable their networks are when under attack. In other words, if the network of such a coin is compromised and brought down, it will most definitely be a game over despite all its decentralization and robustness

So how to hedge against volatility in a smart and safe way (other than cashing out)?

The only thing you have without going to fiat is "cryptos" which simulate fiat, so we are talking about Tether, and all the other "USDcoins", of course there's nothing free in life, so by converting your BTC in one of these tokens you are gaining in certainty price wise, but you are losing in certainty in terms of knowing that what you own isn't going to disappear because the feds decide to crush Tether or whatever other USD-pegged coin as they start auditing accounts and things may not add up.

At this point I would consider my money safer on BTC regardless of price volatility. Once you realize that you either have a fixed price regulated by a government or sovereignty over your own money, you value BTC even more.
legendary
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January 08, 2019, 08:13:30 AM
#1
I'm looking for ways to hedge against volatility. Having been almost scammed by Bitfinex (read this topic for further info), I'm no longer interested in centralized exchanges offering this option

BitShares seems to offer what I need without the pitfalls of a centralized exchange, even though there are other potential drawbacks and dangers. I understand how smart coins work in general, but I'm not sure how reliable their networks are when under attack. In other words, if the network of such a coin is compromised and brought down, it will most definitely be a game over despite all its decentralization and robustness

So how to hedge against volatility in a smart and safe way (other than cashing out)?
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