Hello DarkStar_. How about adding a compulsory avatar for chipmixer campaign?

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To be exact, my remark about most people was only about people being accepted in bitcoin/better paying campaigns.

For obvious reasons these people have higher chances of being born in a country where there is higher education/english courses etc.

I'm well aware that the CM pay is more than average pay in most countries, but I'm also aware that most CM members are not from third world countries. Simple as that

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Quote from: asche on March 11, 2020, 11:25:27 AM

I'm aware of that loycev, hence the use of the word "most"

Most that you've encountered... you probably don't hang around spam threads (for good reason) thus avoiding the hordes of egregious spammers. I have no doubt that they actually do need the money, considering the number of alt chains we've witnessed over the years and the quality of posts they produce. If you set a goal for a few thousand reports, you'll learn to find spam... and note how easy it is to do so.

Were it not for the signature campaigns, I doubt at least 75% of the forum would stay active on the forum.

Free market dynamics. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Quote from: LoyceV on March 09, 2020, 11:56:49 AM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on March 09, 2020, 10:51:56 AM

The current form of advertising is probably not the most efficient for Chipmixer compared to other campaigns. I am guessing they haven’t done any kind of market analysis to see how much they need to pay to maximize their advertising coin in quite some time.

I'm guessing they just don't mind the cost, and they do like Bitcointalk:

Quote from: ChipMixer on January 22, 2018, 02:08:34 PM

Quote from: btcton on January 21, 2018, 10:51:45 PM

You cannot even trust Google on this

Some companies (Google) will advertise known scams. Some people (theymos) will not advertise possible scam (ICOs) even if it costs them (around 9 BTC per week). This is a reason why ChipMixer buy ads at this forum and not on Google.

I don't think google accepts crypto, which to be honest, is the real reason why ChipMixer doesn't buy ads on google. As of now, I believe Google's policy on financial services would not allow ChipMixer to buy ads on google.

My point was not about the medium the advertising is purchased on, my point is about the price being paid for ads being higher than what is available elsewhere. They are paying up to $5 that other companies are paying $1 for. If you look at the last few times slots have opened up, there were dozens of applications for each available slot. You don't see this for other signature campaigns some other signature campaigns are having trouble filling all their slots.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on March 09, 2020, 10:51:56 AM

I am guessing they haven’t done any kind of market analysis to see how much they need to pay to maximize their advertising coin in quite some time.

I don't know if that's true or not, but my guess is they're seeing a return on their advertising dollars since the campaign has gone on for so long. I doubt they'd still be running the campaign if they weren't seeing results.

You don't have a referral link on your signature, so I doubt they have a solid idea as to their return on their investment. My guess is they are profitable enough to pay all their advertising costs. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of their operations is run via automation. They may even top off the money DS is holding on their behalf automatically, and they may even use some kind of chatbot for communications.

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Quote from: asche on March 11, 2020, 11:25:27 AM

I'm aware of that loycev, hence the use of the word "most"

Well, I wish I could be one of them though Cheesy

Laptop, beach, umbrealla, Piña coladas, I could get used to that!

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I'm aware of that loycev, hence the use of the word "most"

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Quote from: asche on March 11, 2020, 10:28:43 AM

In my case for instance I don't NEED the money from my signature. Most people don't I reckon. Most people live comfortably without that extra income. So why do they still do it?

From what I've seen, especially at the peak of the ICO/bounty-spam, many people (in poor countries) really needed that income. I think (but never actually checked for it) most users in the CM-campaign live in countries where the money is nice, but far from enough to make a living. If you'd live in for instance Vietnam you can probably live comfortably with just a Bitcoin paying signature campaign. But if you start relying on it, you're risking your everything when the campaign ends.

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Quote from: asche on March 11, 2020, 10:28:43 AM

Quote from: Timelord2067 on March 11, 2020, 10:15:44 AM

Might be worth keeping the thread open just a little bit longer to allow those in the campaign who oppose your suggestion to put their case forward. Might be interesting to hear why they need even more money.

Why so judgmental? And why does the amount even matter?

I mean you wear a signature too. Is the amount really relevant? Be it 100 sats or 1cBTC, the principle is the same to some. For someone not using their avatar, and being offered to wear another one for a payment, what would be any valid reason not to do it, besides not liking what the avatar is advertising?

In my case for instance I don't NEED the money from my signature. Most people don't I reckon. Most people live comfortably without that extra income. So why do they still do it?

Question applies to you too

I'm not being "so judgemental" time to zip that fly up.

To answer your question, here is my reasoning which I just posted in another thread:

Quote from: Timelord2067 on March 11, 2020, 10:39:22 AM

In the last month I've started wearing signatures - the funds I've received so far I'm splitting and putting aside for future long term projects.

In theory a portion (25%) to a retirement fund (not my only source of retirement mind you), (25%) fund lightning network channels (more the merrier I guess) and one or two other projects once I work out what they are. (possibly 50/50 split of the remainder to buy alt crypto (25% overall) and buy items (final 25%) such as gems from roughswap in this thread: Swapping gemstones for coins)

The OP was talking about adding an avatar. In this now locked thread I advertise I will rent my Avatar under the following circumstances:

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✅ Campaign or Sig+Avatar package

I'm not inclined to rent out *just* my avatar, hence my taking the OP's side.

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on March 11, 2020, 10:15:44 AM

Might be worth keeping the thread open just a little bit longer to allow those in the campaign who oppose your suggestion to put their case forward. Might be interesting to hear why they need even more money.

Why so judgmental? And why does the amount even matter?

I mean you wear a signature too. Is the amount really relevant? Be it 100 sats or 1cBTC, the principle is the same to some. For someone not using their avatar, and being offered to wear another one for a payment, what would be any valid reason not to do it, besides not liking what the avatar is advertising?

In my case for instance I don't NEED the money from my signature. Most people don't I reckon. Most people live comfortably without that extra income. So why do they still do it?

Question applies to you too

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Quote from: bearexin on March 09, 2020, 09:34:17 AM

Edit:
As DarkStar_ has responded, I believe this topic had served its purposes. So, locking it out.

Might be worth keeping the thread open just a little bit longer to allow those in the campaign who oppose your suggestion to put their case forward. Might be interesting to hear why they need even more money.

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Quote from: Foxpup on March 09, 2020, 11:04:48 PM

Well, I'd certainly have a problem with it. For reasons that are the subject of numerous conspiracy theories, all members of my avatar campaign are also members of Chipmixer's signature campaign. Maybe OP is secretly against my slow takeover of the forum. Tongue

Well about that. Do I need to cycle merit with you guys FIRST, or do I wear the avatar first to begin with the cycling?

Asking for a friend Grin

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Quote from: Foxpup on March 09, 2020, 11:04:48 PM

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on March 09, 2020, 02:33:02 PM

I'd love to be even more of a whore than I already am and rent out every pixel of advertising space I've got (that's a LOL).

I was wondering when you'd say that. Slots are tight at the moment, but I think I can squeeze in one more. Wink

PM sent.

Welcome to the Club The Pharmacist Cheesy

Something tells me this isn't what bearexin had in mind for this topic Tongue

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Meh. This is by no means an official 100% confirmation, but if we ever do end up adding an avatar, it would be optional as an additional bonus (or a small base rate decrease that's fully restored if you wear the avatar). I like to give people choice, and if it's that much of an issue, there's probably better solutions. (could write/use a userscript to ignore threads for example).

Full disclosure: my avatar is currently sold at a 0.00025BTC/post rate Tongue

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on March 09, 2020, 02:33:02 PM

Personally, I'd have no problem if Chipmixer decided to require avatar space for their campaign--it's not that big a deal to me. What I'm wondering is why it's seemingly a big deal for OP since he went through the trouble of starting up a thread about it.

Well, I'd certainly have a problem with it. For reasons that are the subject of numerous conspiracy theories, all members of my avatar campaign are also members of Chipmixer's signature campaign. Maybe OP is secretly against my slow takeover of the forum. Tongue

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on March 09, 2020, 02:33:02 PM

I'd love to be even more of a whore than I already am and rent out every pixel of advertising space I've got (that's a LOL).

I was wondering when you'd say that. Slots are tight at the moment, but I think I can squeeze in one more. Wink

PM sent.

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on March 09, 2020, 01:18:56 PM

If the OP is referring to my People renting out their signatures, avatars and p. text according to the Chipmixer campaign there are no rules against wearing different paid avatar.
If DarkStar_ have a different views from the ones stated in the Campaign thread on this case, i would like to hear them.

BTW the above-mentioned thread solve your so called problem of bumping multiple threads of the people renting their sig, avatars and p.texts. Now only one thread will be bumped instead of 10 different, so the first page will look much better.

Assuming of course you don't exclude those of us who don't make the >100 merits (in the last however long) threshold being proposed over on that other thread.

There is an interesting side discussion starting to evolve concerning mobile alts who are advertising their available spaces for rent as well as the main alt of any given user (myself included). Not sure it warrants its own discussion thread, but it is being talked about.

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Quote from: suchmoon on March 09, 2020, 01:52:11 PM

I'm confused now. Where did the OP get

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At least 10 people from [Chipmixer] campaign

There is only one Chipmixer participant in that list (yourself) and even if you count LoyceV's time-travel thread that gets bumped once a week or so, it's still a far cry from "at least 10".

I think he's referring to other people who don't have a renting topic Cheesy

Some people like Lauda, TMAN or marlboroza (they are advertising for blockchain.com.do)
But I don't understand why he felt so bad about this problem, that guys do not violate any rules Roll Eyes

We are free to do everything as long as we do not violate the rules. Why is it a big trouble with OP? Why did he open a topic in the Reputation section?

Quote from: LTU_btc on March 09, 2020, 04:05:17 PM

Currently, there is no such campaigns. But in past (way beffore era of bounties), there was plenty of such campaigns.

For avatars, we can't put a link there, there is no link to the website in one click, that's why the Avatar campaign no longer exists, it doesn't have much effect. I think the same thing happens with Chipmixer, they might argue that avartar doesn't have much advertising effect.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on March 09, 2020, 02:33:02 PM

Are there actually avatar campaigns that only pay for avatar space? I'd love to be even more of a whore than I already am and rent out every pixel of advertising space I've got (that's a LOL).

Currently, there is no such campaigns. But in past (way beffore era of bounties), there was plenty of such campaigns. There is old overview of such campaigns - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/overview-of-bitcointalk-complete-avatar-campaigns-15-may-2017-1087042
In past, in some campaigns were giving extra bonus for participants who wear avatar. Or some gave option to wear avatar only.
I was in several avatar campaigns. In one campaign I had to get paid both in BTC and new coin, but I the end I got BTC only.

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Why do I think this topic talks about me Undecided

, especially since the user mentioned the personal text and not just Avatar?
The reason that prompted me to do this is because I noticed the increasing number of people who want to rent their SG/Avatar, so I decided to create a topic for the competition, "My acceptance ratios for a new campaign", and to improve the quality of my participation, especially as I study, work, and posting here.

I am willing to donate money if I am accepted and I also like my Avatar Cool

(Represent me.)

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Quote from: bearexin on March 09, 2020, 09:34:17 AM

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It's greed - Nothing more.

It is not the only reason.

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Personally, I'd have no problem if Chipmixer decided to require avatar space for their campaign--it's not that big a deal to me. What I'm wondering is why it's seemingly a big deal for OP since he went through the trouble of starting up a thread about it.

Are there actually avatar campaigns that only pay for avatar space? I'd love to be even more of a whore than I already am and rent out every pixel of advertising space I've got (that's a LOL).

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on March 09, 2020, 10:51:56 AM

I am guessing they haven’t done any kind of market analysis to see how much they need to pay to maximize their advertising coin in quite some time.

I don't know if that's true or not, but my guess is they're seeing a return on their advertising dollars since the campaign has gone on for so long. I doubt they'd still be running the campaign if they weren't seeing results.

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on March 09, 2020, 01:18:56 PM

People renting out their signatures, avatars and p. text

I'm confused now. Where did the OP get

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At least 10 people from [Chipmixer] campaign

There is only one Chipmixer participant in that list (yourself) and even if you count LoyceV's time-travel thread that gets bumped once a week or so, it's still a far cry from "at least 10".

Edit - found one more that's not in your list: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/hugeblack-signature-avatar-p-text-for-rent-2-5-post-5231109

As far as I can see there are no other Chipmixers in the first 3 pages of Services board so it doesn't look like an acute problem.

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If the OP is referring to my People renting out their signatures, avatars and p. text according to the Chipmixer campaign there are no rules against wearing different paid avatar.
If DarkStar_ have a different views from the ones stated in the Campaign thread on this case, i would like to hear them.

BTW the above-mentioned thread solve your so called problem of bumping multiple threads of the people renting their sig, avatars and p.texts. Now only one thread will be bumped instead of 10 different, so the first page will look much better.

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Quote from: bearexin on March 09, 2020, 09:34:17 AM

Nothing personal here; just stating after watching such threads and their bumping frequency for months.

If it's not personal, then why is it in Reputation?

FYI: I wore a ChipMixer avatar for quite a while, until I got swooped by the Merit Cycling Club.

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on March 09, 2020, 10:51:56 AM

The current form of advertising is probably not the most efficient for Chipmixer compared to other campaigns. I am guessing they haven’t done any kind of market analysis to see how much they need to pay to maximize their advertising coin in quite some time.

I'm guessing they just don't mind the cost, and they do like Bitcointalk:

Quote from: ChipMixer on January 22, 2018, 02:08:34 PM

Quote from: btcton on January 21, 2018, 10:51:45 PM

You cannot even trust Google on this

Some companies (Google) will advertise known scams. Some people (theymos) will not advertise possible scam (ICOs) even if it costs them (around 9 BTC per week). This is a reason why ChipMixer buy ads at this forum and not on Google.

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Quote from: bearexin on March 09, 2020, 09:34:17 AM

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It's greed - Nothing more.

Where the SigCamp is making it's money is from the number of people talking about their campaign and how generous it is. The name is bandied about and the "recognition" factor for search engines goes up and up.

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Signature space for rent

I don't know why people are curious to create thread about Chimixer campaign nowadays. Chipmixer fully familiar with forum signature campaigns and besides that they have hired an experienced campaign manager. Most likely chipmixer gave freedom to their participants about their avatar and personal text. That's why manager doesn't required about it. Every companies have their own choice.

I don't see any harm whoever bumping their rent thread if they do not break forum rules. Admin allow to rent their signature, avatar & personal text place and they are looking for opportunities to rent out.

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Chipmixer pays between 3-5x as what one might expect to earn advertising for most other campaigns, depending on how you measure the rates. Most other campaigns require avatar space.

The current form of advertising is probably not the most efficient for Chipmixer compared to other campaigns. I am guessing they haven’t done any kind of market analysis to see how much they need to pay to maximize their advertising coin in quite some time.

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If someone is breaking the rules you should report them to moderators. What you're proposing sounds a bit silly but I'm obviously biased.

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Quote from: bearexin on March 09, 2020, 09:34:17 AM

I feel it is kind of blocking or even kind of spamming within rule.

Where is the spam for bumping the thread per month? since bumping the thread is allowed one per 24 hours.

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13. Bumps, "updates" are limited to once per 24 hours.

As @logfiles said it's true, anyone feel free to advertising for their avatar space since chipmixer not adding a compulsory avatar for the campaign.

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1. Why should you feel bad if they are advertising their avatar spaces... Hey it's a free place here so long as they aren't violenting any rules. It was the whole point of bitcoin, wasn't it?

2. I don't think your wish will come true. Just move along.

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If you do so, it will make lots of your participants calm from keep bumping their avatar and personal text threads.

At least 10 people from your campaign are trying to sell their avatar and personal text. You are paying the best of industry then why not make use of avatar and personal text spaces in favor of chipmixer.

Nothing personal here; just stating after watching such threads and their bumping frequency for months.

Edit:
As DarkStar_ has responded, I believe this topic had served its purposes. So, locking it out.

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