Topic: Hello future campaign managers! (Read 245 times)

Outside the forum is fine. If you message their support on their site or email them, you're breaking 0 rules. You're just not supposed to be messaging companies on here for the purpose of offering services. Most managers have made themselves a thread and left multiple ways of contacting them in their thread.

That would be different.

If that is the case, then it is not against to the forum rules and will not lead them of being banned.

But what if a person (who is not a manager here already but willing to start a management business) sends an e-mail and/or speaks directly to a company's management or their support whichever is available and advertise about their services, and all this is done outside forum? (Direct marketing I meant)

29. Sending unsolicited PMs, including but not limited to advertising and flood, is not allowed.

Source Bitcointalk Rules

There has been at least 1 manager banned for soliciting their service via pm. I wouldn't take the chance. All it takes is 1 company to report you. Of course, if a company posts to pm them with offers then it is different.

It isnt really bad to pm them as long they are looking for managers that will carry out on their companies marketing.The bad thing is that you do forcefully offer your service even they arent looking for one.
I agree with yahoo's point above.Each manager do have their own way though on how they would gonna get specially their first project which is really hard because no one trust you because you do lack
of experience.

Most project will simply just ask or look for the best one thats why its a really hard competition for those who do plan to start up.

It's  not easy to get a signature campaign to manage. I have managed 2 campaign so far and it was very hard for me to get both. To be honest, I got one directly while I had to PM for another.
Sometimes I too PM the projects owner but yahoo is right here. It is a bad practice. I do not PM a lot nowadays. Only if I see someone is looking for promoting their project, I try to contact them.
I have got a few offer for managing bounty campaign but the rates and the projects were to attracting and that's why I have ignored.

Im not a manager but i can give out some sentiments or words to this one.Starting to be come a manager wont really be that easy and your first campaign to be handled would be the toughest
challenge you would face up yet you know that companies arent really considering to those newbies most of the time and do always seek out for experienced and popular manager
since they do know on what are the advantage if they do such step rather than choosing an inexperienced and non-popular.Im not underestimating those newbie manager but most
of the time they arent that capable on handling campaigns.


Possibly it might be on the referral side or recommendation of someone.Getting their first camp would either on these both things.



This is real talk. Some projects do decide to take those noob manager due to have that lower rate but without even thinking that they are just throwing off some bucks
into things which isnt worth when it comes to marketing their project.It will surely affect their project when it comes to exposure or shall we say that it isnt really that
much effective compared if they have simply chosen those best ones.Of course it would really be entirely different when it comes to impressions.

You can see the rules of bitcointalk, which might get you banned as yahoo mentioned that is why I don't think any manager will do that if they care about getting banned.I never thought about how managers getting their first opportunities but most of the time they will be a part of it or just their reputation on the forum which might give their offers.

Marketing skills aren't much important when you wanted to become an experienced manager on this forum, IMO and if you want to run a signature in BTC base payment. As long as you know how to manage and should spam-free manager, also you should know how to send payment I think that is enough skill to be a manager. Ain't experienced manager but that was I noticed to those reputable managers on this forum unlike managing bounty campaign there are too many tasks to do. IMO.

The most important thing if you are running a signature campaign is to always secure the participant's weekly payment (holding 1-2 weeks payment is a must or use escrow for the fund, unless if the company is reputable enough).

I wanted to run and manage a signature campaign someday(but not now) but I think it is difficult to start and get a slot from those companies willing to run a signature campaign for a business. And I think each reputable manager has a different perspective way of getting their client and that is their secret that they will never probably reveal.

@coupable
Yes, my guesswork based on my observation on how many people are pumping their camp. management offering topics. It is all about a perspective thinking about what is probably missing.

@yahoo62278
My understanding is, sending a PM once to anyone (and maximum 1 or 2 PMs to different people per day) is not prohibited by rules. Thanks a lot for enlightening.

@joniboini
Must be a good suggestion but not sure how many people will be ready to unveil their business secrets. That is the simple reason why new people are struggling to get their first project.

@Findingnemo
Convincing devs are happening for every marketing aspect. You must be wrong. Simply ask the people who ANN services or ICOs.

Most likely you are 100% right. I had talked with several companies and get some work as well although not long campaign. According to companies they have been receiving lots of offers to manage their campaign those asked very low management fee than me. I can't believe even some managers want to manage it free. So I denied most o them and later on they hire some newer managers than me. Also they offer very low pay rate as well. So companies have chosen them, because they don't care about quality or reputation here since they are not familiar with forum culture. But I believe eventually they had realized the difference.

Convincing devs to get a campaign manager slot? Nah! Reputed campaign managers will never do this because devs have to convince those campaign managers to run their campaigns so they will get exposure.

But one who wants to open their first signature campaign have to prove that they are also recognized member of bitcointalk and also have skills in managing campaign and also they can offer free service for the first campaign he is going to manage.

Instead of doing this, you could ask the most reputable managers on this forum to share how do they run their business and then summarize it.

Your conclusion can be wrong, which has been proven by yahoo's response up above, and I bet there are more.

It is actually forbidden for users to message a business via pm to solicit for a campaign. Managers that are doing this are opening themselves up to be banned.

You are allowed to open a thread about your services and be referred by other users. Only time you can pm offering your services are if a company posts in their thread for managers to pm them with offers.

A company just has to click the report pm to mod button in the pm and a manager is instantly at risk to be banned.

IMO slot of these managers are not qualified to manage campaigns but companies take a chance due to lower rates. You get what you pay for in most cases. Companies should think about that before accepting the lowest price.

The whole point of your subject is based on guesses, this is why you focus only on signature campaign management without referring that it's a branch from Community Management, and not that much important to focus on separetly.
I don't also think that there must be more number of users offering sig campaign management as we already have a lot of active managers satisfying the whole market in its actual conditions .
This doesn't deny that we can open this subject for discussion but not based on your guesses. Maybe you have to provide more convincible arguments .

Must01: It's definetely the opposite. Managers of sig campaigns are not project advisors. Business people and devs have to contact available managers if they think their projects need to be promoted within bitcointalk community, and this is not necessary as many projects have their own community managers so no need to hire someone.
Must02: Managers are not responsible to convince any project about the reliability of sig campaigns unless they are already members in team project. This doesn't mean they can't open discussions about this but not to attract more services to use this method of promotion. Note that sig campaigns weren't all successful and many projects suspended their campaigns after not getting the intended result.
Must03: Same as must01 and must02 .
Must04: Of course they have. But this is not fundamental for any CM because we don't really know the exact rates applied by each one of them and how the rates are calculated. Any manager can work with a fixed rate if he is satisfied with the type of projects he choose to manage but this may vary depends on duration of the sig campaign and number of accepted participants.
Must05: They must have an updated portofolio and a good reputation among the community. That's enough as a start.

In contrast, I guess there must be more number of people are offering themselves for managing campaigns than the total number of currently running campaigns (with BTC payments). What is exactly missing here?

I guess simply opening a topic in services section for mentioning about experience on various activities of this forum along with  available time zone and contact methods with high graphics may not land them into managing a campaign always. I am afraid most manager-aspirants are stopping and waiting with a topic. I believe one more step is definitely missing out there. Let us discuss on that.

How few veteran managers are able to launch campaigns consistently?
1. I guess they must be contacting new devs and business people through one of possible means (PM of this forum,^{(as per inputs from Yahooo. Big thanks too)} support email from their site, DM in twitter, Telegarm and discord and etc).

2. They must be taking time to convince devs and business people about the importance of having campaigns or at least emphasizing to try a trail campaign to study the leads originated from this forum.

3. They must be frequently contacting back to the OLD such business people about re-launching campaigns.

4. They must have flex rates for every business types and projects.

5. They must be having good marketing skills before setting up themselves as an experienced manager on this forum.

Now, let me summarize the need of this discussion:
1. If you want to be a campaign manager and you are already having a topic but still looking for your first campaign then you must sharpen your marketing skills and must find time to spend for convincing devs and business people for a campaign.

2. I guess being a spam free manager and community friendly manager is just a 50% of actual business. The remaining 50% which is important for your success is about how efficient you are in convincing people for a campaign.