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newbie
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May 09, 2014, 02:52:42 AM
#19
The bickering on threads like these and on comments pages around the globe just shows me how wrong all sides are.

And how they are wrong exactly?
legendary
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May 09, 2014, 02:45:54 AM
#18
The bickering on threads like these and on comments pages around the globe just shows me how wrong all sides are.
newbie
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legendary
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May 09, 2014, 02:33:31 AM
#16
OK... sent BTC0.001.

https://blockchain.info/tx/c8e5a15f8f8d683264ae83c9616e8029f631b349cf89f1cf545d091689e353bd

Seems like it was the first contribution you received.  Grin
newbie
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May 08, 2014, 08:55:19 PM
#15
What a bunch of crap, I'm amazed by your impudence, OP. I personally know people who were relocated to Siberia, where they were forced to work as woodcutters and treated like dogs by the Soviets. And you dare to deny known facts about the Katyn massacre? Russian government admitted to lying about it for decades, it was them not the Germans, deal with it. Go wave your red flag somewhere else, I'm done with this stupid topic.

Will you stop your ad hominem nonsense already and get to intelligent discussion? I personaly know a lot of people, including for example deputy of State Duma Victor Alksnis, who`s grandfather Jacob Alksnis was shot in 1937. Victor Alksnis used his deputy credentials to access KGB archives for personal case of his grandfather, after he did so he HAD COURAGE TO ADMIT that his grandfather was criminal. So please, keep your tragic stories for someone else.
As for Katyn, thats exactly i was telling you. According to Constitution of Russian Federation we have three branches of power: legislative, executive and juducial. Authority to find someone guilty or innocent belongs ONLY to JUDICIAL branch of power. That is why neither goverment of Russia, executive branch, nor State Duma of RF, legislative branch, have any authority to do so.
On 14 febrary 2012 Tverskoy Court of Moscow on behalf of Supreme Court of Russia dismissed declaration in State Duma regarding Katyn as mere personal opinion of individial deputies, not any official document, and then upholded Nurenberg Trial which proven that polish and soviet POWs in Katyn park was shot in september october of 1941, and declared this to be known fact that does not require proof

http://www.ymuhin.ru/node/697/tverskoi-sud-ustanovil-plennykh-polxskikh-ofitserov-rasstrelyali-nemtsy-v-1941-godu


Now, would you finaly gather your intelligence together and finaly answer my questions:
1) Why was men in Katyn shot only with use of german weapons, namely Walther PPK and Kar98k with latest rounds dated 1941?

2) Why men in Katyn "forest" was actualy shot in SMALL PARK between boyscout camp and countryhouses full of people on promenade in spring 1940?

3) Why polish policemen from same soviet POW camp that supposedly killed in Katyn and buried there was found in proven nazi execution site in Volodymyr-Volynskyi?

As for where i should or should not wave my flag, i`m afraid its up to me to decide, not you.
hero member
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Small Red and Bad
May 08, 2014, 08:37:02 PM
#14
What a bunch of crap, I'm amazed by your impudence, OP. I personally know people who were relocated to Siberia, where they were forced to work as woodcutters and treated like dogs by the Soviets. And you dare to deny known facts about the Katyn massacre? Russian government admitted to lying about it for decades, it was them not the Germans, deal with it. Go wave your red flag somewhere else, I'm done with this stupid topic.
newbie
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May 08, 2014, 07:47:47 PM
#13
And maybe this is nonsense and western propaganda as well? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

Yes. And this fact was proven in different courts 7 times already. From Nurenberg to Supreme Court of Russia in 2012 during case of Eugene Dzhugashvili against State Duma of Russia. Goebbels version that you promote is completely debunked. Now if you still want to talk about it let me ask you few questions:
1) Why was men in Katyn shot only with use of german weapons, namely Walther PPK and Kar98k with latest rounds dated 1941?

2) Why men in Katyn "forest" was actualy shot in SMALL PARK between boyscout camp and countryhouses full of people on promenade in spring 1940?

3) Why polish policemen from same soviet POW camp that supposedly killed in Katyn and buried there was found in proven nazi execution site in Volodymyr-Volynskyi?


Have you ever read some real biography of Stalin yourself, I seriously doubt that.

Actualy yes. I study it on professional basis for almost 15 years now, and i know his grandsons in person.

Next thing you will tell me that Stalin was anti communist himself he loved his nation and never killed anybody.

He was communist who loved his nation, never killed anybody and did huge ammount of great things, that is why despite 60 years of anti-stalinist propaganda Russians just selected Stalin as best leader of Russia...well...EVER
http://www.nameofrussia.ru/rating.html

He is responsible for over 60 millions of dead people.

First of it is absurd, 60 millions is more than entire adult male population of USSR in that era. Who won WW2 then? Martians?
Sorry, not 60, not 20, not 10, not 1 million.
http://www.northstarcompass.org/nsc9912/lies.htm

In fact he saved hundreds of millions of lives, if not billions
http://www.geotimes.ge/index.php?m=home&newsid=22947&lang=eng

Quotes attributed to Stalin reflected his utter disregard for human life.

Like this one i guess.
But we did not build this society in order to restrict personal liberty but in order that the human individual may feel really free. We built it for the sake of real personal liberty, liberty without quotation marks. It is difficult for me to imagine what "personal liberty" is enjoyed by an unemployed person, who goes about hungry, and cannot find employment.

Real liberty can exist only where exploitation has been abolished, where there is no oppression of some by others, where there is no unemployment and poverty, where a man is not haunted by the fear of being tomorrow deprived of work, of home and of bread. Only in such a society is real, and not paper, personal and every other liberty possible.

Among other bons mots, he allegedly declared: ''Death is the solution to all problems. No man - no problem,'' and ''One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic." And you believe in man like this? You are seriously indoctrinated by soviet propaganda. No further discussion needed.
Money you are gathering will be used probably to strengthen communist movements and revive glorious USSR. No thanks.

- interview with Roy Howard 1 march 1936

Among other bons mots, he allegedly declared: ''Death is the solution to all problems. No man - no problem,'' and ''One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic."

First one is invented by Anatoliy Rybakov in his novel "Children of Arbat" and never was said by Stalin.
Second has nothing to do with Stalin either, it is Erich Maria Remark "Black obelisk"

You are seriously indoctrinated by soviet propaganda

There is no soviet propaganda for nearly 25 years now, and its anti-stalinist since 1953. I am indoctrinated by my own evaluation of facts collected in many years of my own studies of diverse sources regarding history of my country

Money you are gathering will be used probably to strengthen communist movements and revive glorious USSR.

Oh i with it would be so. But for now it is used for things described in the topic. And may i ask you why you are against reunification of Russian people, and pro-nazi?

P.S. USSR was indeed glorious and world was much better place to live when it was around. No wonder that 90% of Russians want it back, 80% of Germans want DDR back and over half of Romanians tell that they was much better off in times of Nicolae
legendary
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★Nitrogensports.eu★
May 08, 2014, 07:19:16 PM
#12

Sorry, but these websites you post are not really source of trustworthy informations.
This is proven website with some serious facts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinism

And if you think that stalinism was a good period in russian history and Stalin was a good guy nobody in his right mind would support your cause.


Since when wikipedia became source of thrustworthy information? Am i missed something?

I gave you articles that refer to actual documents. Like one based on research of Victor Zemskov, the only historian on Earth who actualy made it to all soviet archives with personal permission from Gorbachev. BTW he is anticommunist.

But of cource, you free to believe whatever nonsense you find apropriate

And maybe this is nonsense and western propaganda as well? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre Did your reasercher missed that files? It did not happen probably in his book.
Have you ever read some real biography of Stalin yourself, I seriously doubt that. Next thing you will tell me that Stalin was anti communist himself he loved his nation and never killed anybody.
He is responsible for over 60 millions of dead people. Quotes attributed to Stalin reflected his utter disregard for human life. Among other bons mots, he allegedly declared: ''Death is the solution to all problems. No man - no problem,'' and ''One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic." And you believe in man like this? You are seriously indoctrinated by soviet propaganda. No further discussion needed.
Money you are gathering will be used probably to strengthen communist movements and revive glorious USSR. No thanks.
newbie
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May 08, 2014, 07:10:12 PM
#11
Yes he was, who are you trying to fool? Are you some kind of left radical trying to spread your love for communism, a system that drew numerous countries into poverty? WTF is this topic?

May i ask you which is definition of Communism, and which country it drew into poverty exactly?
newbie
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May 08, 2014, 07:02:15 PM
#10

Sorry, but these websites you post are not really source of trustworthy informations.
This is proven website with some serious facts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinism

And if you think that stalinism was a good period in russian history and Stalin was a good guy nobody in his right mind would support your cause.


Since when wikipedia became source of thrustworthy information? Am i missed something?

I gave you articles that refer to actual documents. Like one based on research of Victor Zemskov, the only historian on Earth who actualy made it to all soviet archives with personal permission from Gorbachev. BTW he is anticommunist.

But of cource, you free to believe whatever nonsense you find apropriate
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Small Red and Bad
May 08, 2014, 07:01:47 PM
#9
I really hope this real, cause your only hurting others and yourself that can really use your help, how is this money getting to these people, do you have proof that your with the agency photos with ur user name on it?

I posted my real VK id i use for many years. Whole thing is real, you call me or theese people in Veche. You need my ID scan or what?

Sorry man, but with nick like this you are not really arousing sympathy. Stalin was a very bad guy, monster even, worse than Hitler. No wonder people are cautious.

Nope he was not.
http://www.northstarcompass.org/nsc9912/lies.htm
http://clogic.eserver.org/2005/furr.html
http://www.geotimes.ge/index.php?m=home&newsid=22947&lang=eng

And i`m not here to collect personal sympathies. I`m here to collect some donations for the people standing up the the nazis in Ukraine, people who being killed, wounded and starved every day.
Yes he was, who are you trying to fool? Are you some kind of left radical trying to spread your love for communism, a system that drew numerous countries into poverty? WTF is this topic?
legendary
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★Nitrogensports.eu★
May 08, 2014, 06:45:14 PM
#8
I really hope this real, cause your only hurting others and yourself that can really use your help, how is this money getting to these people, do you have proof that your with the agency photos with ur user name on it?

I posted my real VK id i use for many years. Whole thing is real, you call me or theese people in Veche. You need my ID scan or what?

Sorry man, but with nick like this you are not really arousing sympathy. Stalin was a very bad guy, monster even, worse than Hitler. No wonder people are cautious.

Nope he was not.
http://www.northstarcompass.org/nsc9912/lies.htm
http://clogic.eserver.org/2005/furr.html
http://www.geotimes.ge/index.php?m=home&newsid=22947&lang=eng

And i`m not here to collect personal sympathies. I`m here to collect some donations for the people standing up the the nazis in Ukraine, people who being killed, wounded and starved every day.

Sorry, but these websites you post are not really source of trustworthy informations.
This is proven website with some serious facts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinism

And if you think that stalinism was a good period in russian history and Stalin was a good guy nobody in his right mind would support your cause.
newbie
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May 08, 2014, 06:29:28 PM
#7
I really hope this real, cause your only hurting others and yourself that can really use your help, how is this money getting to these people, do you have proof that your with the agency photos with ur user name on it?

I posted my real VK id i use for many years. Whole thing is real, you call me or theese people in Veche. You need my ID scan or what?

Sorry man, but with nick like this you are not really arousing sympathy. Stalin was a very bad guy, monster even, worse than Hitler. No wonder people are cautious.

Nope he was not.
http://www.northstarcompass.org/nsc9912/lies.htm
http://clogic.eserver.org/2005/furr.html
http://www.geotimes.ge/index.php?m=home&newsid=22947&lang=eng

And i`m not here to collect personal sympathies. I`m here to collect some donations for the people standing up the the nazis in Ukraine, people who being killed, wounded and starved every day.
legendary
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★Nitrogensports.eu★
May 08, 2014, 05:56:08 PM
#6
I really hope this real, cause your only hurting others and yourself that can really use your help, how is this money getting to these people, do you have proof that your with the agency photos with ur user name on it?

I posted my real VK id i use for many years. Whole thing is real, you call me or theese people in Veche. You need my ID scan or what?

Sorry man, but with nick like this you are not really arousing sympathy. Stalin was a very bad guy, monster even, worse than Hitler. No wonder people are cautious.
newbie
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Merit: 0
May 08, 2014, 05:11:05 PM
#5
I really hope this real, cause your only hurting others and yourself that can really use your help, how is this money getting to these people, do you have proof that your with the agency photos with ur user name on it?

I posted my real VK id i use for many years. Whole thing is real, you call me or theese people in Veche. You need my ID scan or what?
member
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May 08, 2014, 05:09:12 PM
#4
I really hope this real, cause your only hurting others and yourself that can really use your help, how is this money getting to these people, do you have proof that your with the agency photos with ur user name on it?
newbie
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May 08, 2014, 04:59:02 PM
#3
I don't think that Offtopic is a rifht forum for such thread... Maybe, politics&society would be better?


May be but i asked malevolent moderator guy and he advised to post this here. Of cource such an important topic would be more apropriate in politics section rather than next to discussion about asian girls and favorite cartoons.
legendary
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May 08, 2014, 04:43:35 PM
#2
I don't think that Offtopic is a rifht forum for such thread... Maybe, politics&society would be better?
newbie
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May 08, 2014, 02:37:42 PM
#1
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