Topic: Help Detroit with Bitcoin (Read 1591 times)

Only Chuck Norris can help Detoilet now.

Well, as they say, Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

- No one is trying to convince anyone to move to Detroit.
- No one is trying to change your opinion if you feel Detroit, or the people of Detroit deserve to die because the free market determined it.   Just don't donate or help if you don't want to.
   (For that matter we would not have National Parks, or clean air if the free market were left unfettered. See the tragedy of the commons).
- No one is stealing any money from your online wallet.
- I would also doubt that the folks who are giving advice on how to start a business or charity have actually done it.  There is no one prescriptive way to start a movement. As a successful serial entrepreneur I can assure you that in some cases it is still OK to brainstorm on the back of a napkin.
-There is more to this plan than has been presented on the one page site. 

Now, having said all that, upon trying to get past the low signal to noise ratio of the reaction to this project so far and pick up something useful, I  accept the aversion to an anonymous charitable project asking for donations.  Even if I was initially annoyed.  Though there may be a bit of irony seeing as the bitcoin community revolves around anonymity from its founder to its transactions but either way I understand it now. I would add that if there is interest from a charitable organization, or a dedicated individual we would be happy to work with you and discuss the plan.   However, at this point I personally prefer to be like Batman instead of revealing my Bruce Wayne identity. 

Please feel free to comment, but please just refrain from donating or getting involved instead of going back and forth with antagonistic posts on grammar or spewing other irrelevant points.  If you have other valid constructive criticism, fine but I'm guessing it's probably time to move away from this thread altogether.

Yeah , and the last phrase clearly shows how much you have in common with somebody working in a non profit organisation.

alright another post that too in the off topic section asking for donations  

this forum is a community of people who loves and will never hesitate in donating when its for a noble and much needed cause providing proper proofs and legit paperwork into the picture before asking anything.If you don't have any of that don't expect a single cent from anyone even if you are much legit !!

no, how charities work is that you think of an idea.. and then.. (please read these next steps carefully)
make a detailed plan, costs, estimates, idea's, the whole shabang..
you then go and register your charity with the state , a business man such as yourself knows this atleast
you start looking at how you can help in more detail. EG surveying the area, taking pictures, asking the community.

that is how you see if a project is viable.

asking for funds comes later.. so do the research and paperwork and show evidence that the only material value of this project is not just a $1 domain name and a brainfart of someone sitting on a office chair/sofa.

I would rather donate to a charity helping families move out of Detroit and set up roots in a living city...

The best thing for the D is to continue bulldozing the vacant blocks of homes, and turn them into farmland.

I believe this has been tried successfully so far...

this smells just like Detriot....... shit.

Bitcoin is about free market, the free market has determined detriot to die.... let it rest in piece no need to try to revive it. Do something good get the guys at hardcore pawn to take BTC that would be great publicity and would actually do some good.
R.I.P. Detroit

Well, if the above is true, then revealing your identity would give the project instant credibility. I have been also involved with non-profit for years and there is no shame in trying, but failing to raise money etc. Smells very fishy.

The gangs in Detroit are out of control to the point that they could be described better or more accurately as a militant guerrilla force attacking the citizens, rather than a few groups of hooligans making mischief...

The gangs run the city, the leadership follows the money, the people suffer, and the cycle spins onward until the people will inevitably snap... Whoever comes out on top will spin the story for the history books of the future...

There can't be any real progress until Detroit can provide some incentive for new business. There's nothing in Detroit worth the risk of living there. The people own this problem because they won't rally against the leadership who clearly supports the interests of their enemies. The outcry of indifference is deafening and the economy is a perfect representative of the reality.

Every law that gets written in the city of Detroit should be assessed by each of the people living there and personally judged as if it were written against them; not all laws are written to support the better interest of the people, some of these laws are more beneficial to the organized crime. The laws that fail public scrutiny should be ignored en-mass as a statement of civil disobedience.

If the elected leadership continually fails to improve the city, or worse, progressively destroys it; at what point will the people start to give a damn? When the political power from a mob of gangbangers threatens to exceed that of the average citizens, the electoral system is broken and must be reset. It's natural really, representative Governments were designed to represent educated, moral, and ethical citizens. When the Government no longer supports the people, the people must support themselves and sway the Government by any means necessary.

This is a universal truth, when the voices of good and moral people are willfully and criminally ignored, bullets will sway Governments far more surely than votes.

Detroit is like an ACME dynamite kit sitting in a bomb factory built directly adjacent to the coolant reservoir of a large nuclear reactor... It might not blow up today or tomorrow, but damn it's pretty obvious that there's a problem and the outcome looks pretty negative.

"Maybe somebody should do something about that... Not me though; somebody else..."

I am glad this is generating discussion so far.  I am just getting back to reading these now so let me do my best to reply to the points raised in the posts above.

• Nobody is going to get rich off of this (maybe that's why it won't work).
• It is not a ponzi scheme.
• Nobody is pre-mining anything, but we are asking for donations and volunteers to put to use.
• The money will help beautify the houses of Detroit and create jobs.   If this benefits the politicians, then it is an unfortunate side-effect.
• Ultimately this will benefit everyone more than it will punish those who you may feel are responsible.

The bitcoin community is apparently very skeptical, and with good reason given the thefts and scams that exist.  But just because your ex cheated on you doesn't mean every future lover will.  We are small and grass roots and easy to pick on right now.

While I am a believer and supporter of bitcoin, I can see why someone would want to start a new currency altogether.  Aurora Coin, scam or not, will raise much more money than this ever will for the people of Iceland.

Now as for the one-page, godaddy site: Anonymous registering aside for a minute,  who cares?   I explained I am just getting started.  Why spend money on an elaborate website solution when a quick and dirty solution to get the message out will do.   It will iteratively evolve if there is interest,  if not we will let it die.   Scammers are much more polished than that and usually catch more flies.  We are grass-roots and small.

Now for the anonymous registration:  Some of us are involved in multiple projects.  I am the former executive director of a non-profit organization and board member of another. I have been on the board of Detroit organizations to promote Detroit.   Before I unzip my fly and as Jay Mohr says, "Put My Name on it" I'd like to see it gain traction and see if there is a "there there."   Bitcoin projects tend to raise questions these days as you can already see.

Still hoping for the few folks who want to make a difference and who leap before they look to gain some traction.  These things build on themselves. Maybe they all went to Aurora Coin?

If the address 1DetRoitbfHwrjeiMVKSN9xpexYotQcx7m  starts getting any real money in it, I will "Put my Name on it."

Now... If you have constructive criticism by all means please post.  However, if you are just bashing the small guy with good intentions to punish the scammers please don't.   I am sure there are many who love to read their own posts but wouldn't ever donate anyway.    Stop wasting both of our times.

For the rest of you, Thanks for reading and making a difference.  Please volunteer or donate.

1DetRoitbfHwrjeiMVKSN9xpexYotQcx7m  or [email protected]

Hmmmm....


Sounds like something out of Robocop

Detroit can't be repaired externally, it can only fix itself internally. Nobody from the outside can change it.; the majority of people still left in Detroit are inept at accomplishing anything beneficial for the good of humanity, liberty, or morality, and would simply destroy any external effort to help them. Detroit just can't own nice things...

If only 20% of the population living in Detroit cared just a little bit about the city or their own futures, it would clean itself up; Detroit is a leper colony...

I would never live in Detroit; I don't even want to drive through Detroit.

The city is rotten to the core, oppressive laws punish morality and leave the people defenseless of their lives and property... Detroit is necrotic, it would take a violent revolution to resurrect it. The people need to get angry, they need direct their anger towards the problems, and as a community they can bring the city back; like white-blood cells they can destroy the virus and repair the damage. Moral people need to disobey laws that put their lives at risk; no law is greater than the value of the lives of moral people.

Detroit is hell on Earth and it would be a bloodbath needed to change that place. The criminals hold the power in Detroit while the innocent are defenseless. It's been so bad for so long that there are very few people still living in Detroit who would even care to change it; the majority have simply left or submitted out of fear and complacency.

Detroit is a testament, the result of the indifference of good men...

Yet another money grab scheme...

This is becoming a pattern.

 

People in Detroit certainly needs jobs, not BTC.

So you are going to rehab houses? You do realize detriot is in a mass exoudous right now? House are selling for no lie 1k-2k, the city has gone to the extent of bulldozing  whole city blocks.
I smell.... el torro poo poo here.

As someone living in Metro Detroit, a bitcoin foundation/fundraiser/whateveryouwanttocallit isn't going to help the city one bit. 

I might want to donate to this, last time I heard information about Detroit is when it went bankrupt a few months ago.

Count me in!

there are alot more suspect stuff that i could have mentioned, but i didnt want to overload the guy to make him run off.. i wanted him to show he is above board,, or slowly fall into the trap and wither away.

scaring them off by showing all the flaws will just makes them create a new name.. or buy a name in this case and try again, true charities laugh off sceptics and reply with evidence and then carry on doing actual work instead of money grabbing as their main chore.

.. im waiting for is evidence....rebuttles of waffly excuses without evidence, need not reply

Bulldozers not bombs.

Let's see some specific plans.

Agree. Detroit requires a generation or two to change. No amount of money can fix the issues going on there.

If Detwat were a dog, I'd shoot it.

Why the hell would I help Detroit? I didn't run Detroit into the ground. The people of Detroit, and their elected representatives, ran Detroit into the ground.

Detroit's problems are not at root financial, that is the symptom not the disease.

They are moral, cultural and spiritual. Until those problems are rectified pouring money into a blackhole is sustaining the decay not alleviating it.

You could lead a horse to the water, but you can't make them drink it.

Trying to pour money into a city that broke itself is not a solution. Misdirected and naive charity is worse than doing nothing.

Detroit used to be the greatest of American industrial centers until demographic change and shitty attitude of the city political figures ('Our city' LOL) drove it into the ground.

Don't waste your money on those useless beggars. They don't have what it takes to start over.

So , from the beginning you post the address where people should donate.
No discussion what to do not nothing , no proof of who you are ...

This is not going to work. With the amount of daily scammers without real proof you are willing to do that with the funds nobody will or should give you one satoshi

btw , why the hell a domainbyproxy when you're willing to help...even more suspicious

so you dont live in detroit then? to be actively involved.

the community does not like middle men. check out seans outpost as an example, where the guy that posted the donations address is the same guy making the sandwiches for the homeless.

Well the skepticism is healthy, even if a bit cynical, but I do like your idea of putting specific items to BTC bids, so in the meantime we are soliciting volunteers who can identify houses, or projects such as those described above, that would be good candidates.

Please contact [email protected] to see how you can help and either way donations will not be refused.

how about talk to some people in the detroit community. like some existant charities, or even walk around the area and take some "before" pictures of the area.

EG
picture of a house with a badly kept garden and put a bounty up saying 0.05BTC to cut the lawn, then have a objective at 0.1btc to put pot plants in the garden then 0.2btc to paint the house.

that way people can see things more clearly and simply vote for the house/area/activity they want to help.

but i still wait for the evidence that this is not just a brainfart to get funds. pictures of the area before any work is done and the necessary paperwork do not need funds to kick things off. but definitely show that something has kicked off.

again instant pages by godaddy, and hiding anonymously is not a good start for someone claiming to be transparent and asking for funds.

1000's of people in the bitcoin community are getting sick of anonymous extortionists playing the charity game. if you do live in detroit and do have a charitable bone in your body, be transparent.

Fair questions. 

I am hoping this gains a bit of traction quickly so we can put together some pictures and progress reports of the first houses we rehab or get started on.   Then keep a running log on the site to compare to the blockchain so people can see where their money went and how it made a difference.

Right now this is just a small seedling of an idea from some people with good intentions.

We will post pictures and proof on the website when it gains traction.   Any suggestions of what to post to quell understandably skeptical people?

can you prove you live in or near detroit
can you prove you have the paperwork needed to do whats needed.

alot of people have in the past posted idea's with no evidence that the project will start. so please do not be one of these people. please show some work in progress.

also instantpage from godaddy. not a good start

I admire the concept behind Aurora.  However, I would like to see a similar effort take place using Bitcoin.
Therefore I would like to announce a new Bitcoin effort to help the city of Detroit!

We are currently soliciting volunteers and donations to help put together a site and see if we cant help a city that desperately needs it. Also, to do it with the support of the BTC community using bitcoin.  The money raised will be used to beautify Detroit neighborhoods and help to revitalize the city.

Additionally money donated will be spent on Detroit projects and can be audited against the blockchain.

Help by donating or volunteering today or posting constructive comments (hopefully)!   

1DetRoitbfHwrjeiMVKSN9xpexYotQcx7m   or [email protected]