Topic: Help me so I can help you (Read 7409 times)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46Wqp1r_F0I

I don't see a pool hall making millions of dollars but when I am a billionaire I will build a pool hall you can run.

I also have a dream of owning a pool hall one day. There's not one in a 30 km radius. I'd be totally happy with half a million, that makes me quite a lot cheaper send money to 1Nv7tUL7EPi5BkTeVmA738LnR1HhADzSNG

I thought I have been pretty well throughout this thread.

I'm just going to put this out here: $1000 BTC loan, 2-3 months, $1420 back

stand up straight dude, don't be shy 

18 yoa.

he is young and full of potential, handle with care, btw i'm 27 and my potential hasn't vanished at all so right now i'm preparing a difficult exam and after that I could use some money to continue working on bitcoin projects and free energy experiments.

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I can safely say that either. Wow at the interwebs, where all sorts of humans converge.

Why can't I do that?  Who would stop me?  Anyways, enough of the naysaying, might as well shut the fuck up if you can't contribute anything.  And this is my only account, but believe what you wish.

So now that op can't do a marajana seasteading he's going make millions as a web hosting limo driver that lives in a mansion.

I'm convinced that OP is related to logansyrce and Atlas and may even attend the same elementary school.

Seriously, I'd put my life on this, gimme a damn loan shark already!

I like what I'm seeing on this thread.This thread got me thinking and that I should start my own business idea.Why not raise a few BTC for initial capital for my BTC loans business just to get it off the ground. i wish to raise 10BTC to kick start my BTC loans business.I'm not asking for as much as other people with their business ideas. If this post is off-topic,can someone split this thread or move my post into the right area please?

So here's the breakdown:
1.I wish to raise 10BTC for my BTC loans business (just newly created,needs capital to kick start this)
2.To address the issue of ROI,each loan that's given out will have interest charged.This varies on a few factors which will be discussed another time (hint-low risk borrowers who don't gamble with it get the most favourable interest rates of all users of my upcoming service compared to more risky borrowers,etc.)
3.As far as I can see,as long as I stick to issuing micro-loans (to multiple low-mid risk clients) there will be enough capital raised from the interest rates as well at the start of the business.
4.As things pick up,you can expect a dedicated section on a site I own featuring this business.
5.I'll aim to keep things straightforward amd (hopefully) transparent.
6.I'm doing a fundraiser for the business I plan to start.

Back on topic,I'd like to say good luck to the OP and his business venture as setting things up is not easy.

5-6 million?

I've seen everything on this site.

I've gotten loans before but none of any significant amount.  So zero.

How many investors do you have so far?

...and make millions in return?

"Give me a few million dollars with which to buy a mansion."

This isn't me giving someone else's investment to somebody else to make me money.  This is me getting an investment and controlling completely where the money goes and how much will be made back.  I'm talking hundreds of thousands in the first year, millions after that.  Don't expect the stock market to make you wealthy.

I don't think my idea is the next best thing, it's not anything new but the numbers work out and that's all that matters in the end.

My business plan doesn't require 5 million, as I stated, I could start pretty well with 5k.  If someone were to be generous enough to loan that amount, I would just be more generous back when I'm repaying them.  It's a win-win situation.

I prefer not to deal with institutionalized banks.  There will be real products, world changing?  Perhaps, but still, nothing new.

I have the drive to accomplish what I have planned, I lack the capital however.  Yes, I can make the capital over a few years, or I can work with somebody and get more done sooner, I don't see anything wrong with the former.

On a side note, the amount of business ideas that I've had throughout my lifetime would be enough to support a small town.  If there is a way, which there is, I will find it, which I have.

Man, if someone gave me five million dollars, I could put it into dividend paying stocks and be making a couple hundred thousand a year too.

What I recommend doing is:

Stop acting like your idea is "the next big thing." Even if you truly believe that, we've ALL had those ideas, and it's not very believable.

Get a realistic (not requiring five million dollars) business plan. Detail exactly what you're going to do, where you're going to do it, who you're going to do it for, why there's a market for it, etc. If you're worried about people stealing your "amazing idea" only send that to lenders, and make them agree to an NDA.

Get a real product to show people. If I can touch and see this world changing concept, I'd be much more likely to invest.

The last thing is: People who have great ideas, and have the drive to accomplish them, generally do, and they don't do it by asking for five or six million in capital. They run businesses out of their house, rent a small office, sell things out of their car. Almost anyone can be successful if handed enough money -- the trick to being an entrepreneur is being able to start and run a business with almost no capital, no employees, and no sleep.

I can work with any investment size, the larger the better.  A 5 million dollar investment now would result in a great amount of wealth in the near future.  As I make more money I will give more back to you due to the fact you catalyzed what would take much longer to accomplish.  I plan on being a billionaire one day and you will have a piece of that.  Most of this investment would go into purchasing a mansion or high-end estate.  The rest would be spent to start my plan, which consists of various business ideas that have come to me.  Once they are in full gear, I will be making ten's of thousands per month from two business alone - a chauffeur service and web hosting company.  I have will have several other sources of income aside from these.

With your help, I will be making 50-100 grand/month within a year, easily.  Plus the value of the property and assets purchased will not diminish to nothing.  Overtime, I will expand my wealth and begin larger projects that will generate millions.  This will be within 5 years, with your help.  Honestly, I could probably do it in 2-3 years and probably would.  Share 5 million now, make 20 million+ within 5 years, and millions more throughout your life.  I don't care about money enough to not give back generously to the person who gave me a chance.  Even if the US currency collapses to nothing, your wealth will be ensured.  I'll take care of everything, you just profit.

Smaller investments are workable, I can always scale things down for the short run, though ideally 5-6 million USD would be soundly sufficient.

PM me if you want to discuss details.

Good thing that's not remotely related to what I am doing.

@PatrickHarnett i don't seek any credit... only the satisfaction to see with my eyes that one day a professor, engineer or scientist questions for a moment all the things hes been taught as true and start reasoning for himself.

Rossi's machine could be a fraud but we can't know that. We had a thread on it if i remember correctly.

Perpetual motion exists and it will exist after we are long gone. We have it all around us, when we walk, talk or everything else we do. Building machines to do that it's a trivial task that has been bothered in the past century with flawed theories and corrupt people.

I'm into other things right now so i cannot make an awesome post with examples and stuff but you can start reading on quaternions and potential energy if you like.

Paraipan - you post does you nor this thread any credit.

Rossi's machine (the nickel -> copper one, if it is not the clever fraud that it is likely to be) works, it wouldn't be greater than 100% efficient, as various physical laws would be able to trace the transformation of energy from one form to another.  (unless you are suggesting something as mundane as solar fusion is a >100% efficient reaction).

Perpetual motion machines and other devices that purport to produce usable energy (work) from nothing have never been proven.  History has some clever scam and interesting claims, but none exist (I can add the happy disclaimer of "yet" if you like).

maybe you should study a bit more Mr. Burt 

As an engineer and a scientist I can tell you that no matter how much human potential we tap we will never create a machine that is 500% energy efficient, period.

People don't realize the potential in other humans, many can do great things but lack the resources to do so.

Is this the same one that's fuel is nickel and the by-product is copper? I saw a demo for it and it's seems highly interesting.

That's funny, I have had nothing but successful transactions on these forums.

Scammers coming back to town recently!

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That would make a better generator than thermal turbines which are 30% efficient.  If the direct to electricity conversion was 50% efficient it would increase the electrical output of every power plant and nuclear reactor.

Still I doubt Caltech made claims that it violated law of conservation of energy (500% energy out).

LOL, oddly enough, there may be something to that. Caltech has been working on a alloy that when heat is applied, the alloy creates an electric charge and as result, can spin a motor. This was displayed a few weeks back at a fundraiser for CHULA.

I don't know why but that LOLZ worthy.  Of course no my co-workers are looking at me.  Damn it.

No problemo.  I don't get why BTC goes down while the dollar crashes, hopefully something will change.

just wanna say thank you for IBB Logo 

I would give you some loan, but BTC is down, if it was 1 btc = $20, I would give you some loan towards your business/goal

thank you

Tell me about yourself. Then when you become uber famous and a billionaire, I can say 'I knew that guy'.

It's probably better we hear about you now. Later will most likely be in less flattering light.

EDIT on 4/8/2013: Called it.

You guys sure are going to miss out.  You'll hear about me someday.

No it was more of the crackhead part.

But my plan does not rely off of selling cannabis, that's a silly way to do things, I would rather keep it.  I won't be breaking any laws.

@repentance Very true but meth is a very destructive drug that I would prefer not to associate with.  It would just kill everything and everyone I worked to benefit.

@Jeff equally offensive as the crackhead remark, though the scenarios you listed were humorous.

@Matt Who said I'm above the law?  US's asinine laws don't apply outside of the country.  We also help countries drug production, such as in Afghanistan and Mexico.  But I would like to see anyone come to my stead expecting to rob me, they'll be in for a surprise.

Maybe this was his plan for the return rates:

1. Take in $100 in Bitcoins, flip for cash USD
2. Start $100 cheap meth lab with lithium batteries and decongestants
3. Sell most of the first batch, use meth profits and 'personal stash' to create a larger batch, going on a meth-binge to maintain optimal productivity.
4(a). Move to the ocean to to create meth super-lab, paying off investors and becoming a billionaire
4(b). Get arrested in campus apartment
4(c). Die of heart failure from prolonged methamphetamine abuse
4(d). Die in horrific yet spectacular explosion in your seastead meth-tower while trying to create a statue of Batman from the world's largest batch of ice.

Because people who talk about drugs on the internet get thrown in jail all the time.

It takes a lot more than $100 to set up a decent grow operation and even with advanced horticultural techniques you're still looking at 6-8 weeks from planting to harvest.  By contrast, it takes very little money and not very much time to shake and bake batches of methamphetamine.

I figured as much. Even if that is what you plan on doing, you should probably try and sell us a more realistic estimate of the returns than 1000%, which appears arbitrarily chosen and way over-inflated to a rate that would make Bernie Madoff blush.

Close but no cigar broham.

@Matt What's wrong with drugs an guns exactly?  You can keep the child porn, not on my island.  I find the term wacko crackhead slightly offensive, I will never touch the stuff.

@Repentance Not quite ready for that, I'd rather take less of a risk by earning the capital myself off a smaller loan.

What kind of "structures" are you planning on building with those rates of return?

The only things I can think of are either fraudulent or only 'legal' in international waters.

Seeing as your name is "dank", I've got a marginally good guess - but if you really have a plan along the lines I'm thinking I don't understand how you think you will be able to sell "OG Kush Tower" for 1000% of it's cost.


quick edit: Just noticed you are in the 'fundraising stage". I'm not the best guesser, but I think our friend "dank" wants some start-up money to help him sell weed, with which profits he will make a weed-tower which will sell for megabucks.

If I'm right, I don't think you have any clue what the actual margins are on weed sales or how dealing actually works. This is amplified by the fact that you are coming to us for startup money. No one gets 'rich' off weed, bro.

If I understand the OP correctly, he wants funds now to start a venture.  The purpose of that venture is to generate funds for building seasteading related structures in the future.

What I'm not understanding is why he's not bypassing step one and seeking funding from the seasteading community to start building his structures now. 

Don't you think I thought about this?

Meh, I understand I may sound a little too ecstatic about getting this in action but shit happens in life that can throw everything on or off track.  There is only a small potential that this would be set back  (if I lose my license, as long as I get an attorney I'm fine), and if that were the case I would send back what is yours, no harm done.  I'd say I'm offering a stake in the venture, when I have millions of dollars or bitcoins or whatever, I will have no problem with returning the favor ten fold.

Why the thing you're trying to make needs to be a secret?

The future is now.

The thing is, if all you're planning on doing to raise capital is buy in bulk and resell at a mark-up, someone else is probably already doing it and you haven't given any indication of how you'll "sell fast."

If he'd posted his request on the seasteading forums, someone would likely have just given him $100 in seed money right now and he could have sought further funding for the bigger, longer term project. 

In short, don't mention seasteading when looking for a loan.

It's not really that surprising.  It's kind of like the difference between applying for a personal loan and a business loan at your bank.  With a personal loan, how you're going to use the money isn't usually relevant to your capacity to repay - with a business loan, your capacity to repay is very often dependent on how you're going to utilise the borrowed money.

I think it also threw people when you said that your idea could be put back 1-2 years by the lack of $100 now.  By and large, the loans given around here are short-term with those seeking investment for their projects posting elsewhere and offering a stake in the venture in return for the funding.

It's funny that when I asked for a $100 loan before but gave no explanation, I received several offers.  Now that I say I have an idea, everybody and their grandma is skeptical, people are so quick to judge.

The fundraising step isn't related to seasteading but the funds I raise will be at a later point.  The fundraising step is a simple buy bulk/good deal, sell fast at good deals, , profit, repeat scheme.

You might want to share details about what this fundraising is going to be for and how you are going to conduct said fundraising (and to what ends). All we know right now is that has something to do with Seasteading (at some point) and we are totally supposed to throw our worthless fiat dollars at you because you say you are convinced that you are going to hit the big jackpot.

Atlas has unremorsefully left the thread due to his own LACK OF INTEREST.

No, I am not asking for a loan for a loan.  I am asking for a loan so I can start the fundraising process, step one, which doesn't involve anything but me buying/selling items.

Hardly mysterious, I am willing to speak in private to those interested.

The 100 BTC bet I won twice.

Solid plan = mysterious cash-generating large structure of some sort.

No, but that is somewhat irrelevant at this point of time.  The structures are a long way down the road, I'm more so looking for loans for the fundraising stage.

Are these structures going to be made out of cocaine or sub-prime mortgage loans? Those are about the only building materials you could use that would net a profit margin that ridiculously high of what they cost to produce.

Eventually, yes.

I'd be willing to discuss it in more detail via private message if you are interested.  The important thing is that I have a solid plan of action to produce this money, I just don't have the initial investment cost, I may be very much broke after my upcoming traffic court case in which I may lose my license, setting my plans back another year or so.  I can turn a $100 investment into $3000 of revenue, legally, without relying on others.

I am willing to be very generous as far as interest rates, we can work with small short terms loans to build trust if you wish.  I have no intentions (nor have I demonstrated such in the past) of running off with a small amount of money when I can do so much more with it and benefit both parties involved.  Karma can be a bitch.

I don't see how asking for a $100+ loan is irrational when I have a solid plan to back it up.  Naysayers, please carry on.

Man, the way the market's going these days I think I could use a bitcoin toilet plunger.

You better have an original idea!

Does this involve seasteads?

Attention investors: I plan to do the same thing, except I will make structures which sell for 2000% of what they cost.

How about your woolong device?

https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1muUatAfUmK_kp8hNxvXVaiyaiknBxC8kaGXlPrIzYkU&pli=1

Hmm, what happened?

oops, Immanuel, this one was good. Guns for all?

Well we all know Immanuel (oops Atlas) is a Bitcoin king around these parts.

Here's a start

Fuck me, I want in. This is better than the scam for a perpetual motion machine.

That will be difficult when you have systematically deleted most of your posts.

I want somebody to cite one time I have made a request this blatantly irrational.

I can't fathom from your post anything at all about what you actually want people to invest in.  What is it that you're actually going to be producing with the funds people lend you?

 

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Hello investors and the alike!  I have a plan to make several millions of dollars but do not quite have the resources to begin.  It will begin with a process of fundraising until I am making several thousand a month, I have already figured out how to implement this quite simply/quickly.  The next stage will involve constructing large structures that will sell for 1000+% what they cost.  Demand is huge for this, there is currently no supply and I shouldn't have a problem finding interested buyers.  Nothing can or will stop me once I reach this point, I will be making a few million/year by now.  This is projected to be anywhere from 1-3 years in the future.  From there I will reinvest and expand into all types of fields that directly benefit the human race.  I hope to create hundreds of jobs and permanently alter the lives of those that have helped me throughout my life.  Money holds no value to me and I am not doing this to achieve wealth, but to achieve happiness and sustainability.

Any investment above $100 is welcomed, we can work out a decent interest rate depending on the size and length of loan.  I can provide more details for those who are interested in helping me achieve my dreams.  I will reach my goal regardless if people invest into me, but I am giving anyone that would like to help me reach my goals faster a chance to greatly benefit and share the cake with me.