Topic: Help spread immunity - hug someone today. (Read 456 times)

It happens often with this one.


Nobody is forcing you to take the vaccine. In fact I encourage you not to take it and travel to South Africa to build up your inmune system. (I am not a doctor and this is not medical advice).

Please can we have some serious comments about this issue, and base them on rational thought, and not on regurgitated pharma and government distorted propaganda. If you need to compare corona viruses with rabies, then you have no concept of the medical issues. Insulin resistance, virus infections, glyphosate poisoning and broken legs are different medical risks.

btw  rabies is a viral infection of the central nervous system, and it is usually caught as a result of a bite pr scratch from a rabid dog. I suspect that human mouth saliva would destroy the virus and protect the human. However the chances of a rabid dog licking you and not biting you are pretty remote.

Find a rabid dog 🐩 and let him lick kiss your mouth.

If you do this and film it with real proof you did it I will be your avid follower.

I agree with many of the statements above. I agree that you can't rely on the pharmaceutical industry. I know that in many places the contracts for catering in hospitals are assigned by cronyism, and the food is shit. Many people medicate against blood pressure or diabetes for all their lives when just a change in their habits could work, just because doctors are taught this modus operandi at College. And, of course, the vaccine has not been researched following the recommended timings and standards, and we can't know the side effects that it can provoke in the long term. Human greed is well known and there is nothing to argue there.

But back to the topic of this thread, instead of hugging everyone in order to catch the virus as soon as possible, collapsing the health services and killing millions of people for the lack of healthcare, isn't it more appropriate to avoid excessively close contact for a while, and smooth the infections curve in order to not collapse the hospitals, even if it supposes a longer process to eradicate the virus?

If you ask me, I prefer to be two years with a mask in my face, using hand sanitisers and avoiding close social contact, or even isolated in my home being extreme, rather than just a year of fast spreading of the virus and group immunity, if the former supposes that my mother, a member of your family, or a single user of this forum doesn't die. Three days ago the uncle of my best friend died from pneumonia due to COVID, a relatively young and healthy man: this disease is REAL and serious, and if you asked my friend, in retrospective, he would do everything that was in his hand to get him back.

You base your hugging everyone theory on the dichotomy "group immunity vs. mandatory vaccination", but this argument is not necessarily true, and I believe that voluntary vaccination will be the standard in most countries, at least in the non totalitarian ones.

It is a great sadness to me that so many people are gullible, and allow themselves to be manipulated and defrauded. We can see it in the way they allowed central banks to be created, and their inability to rise above politics at the national level and research  the way the British  Empire morphed into a supra national entity that controls most of the western world, and a chunk of the rest of it.

But lets look at the Covid situation. Viruses have been around since the pre-mammalian era, and yet we have developed immunity to the toxic ones, and utilise many for the maintenance of our health. Every day we are exposed to several trillion viruses, and we have thrived in this environment, and developed a strong natural immune system. Corona viruses have been around since the 1930s, and have we have survived the many thousands of variations. For many years now now the pharmaceutical industry has led us away from health care, and into a world of symptom suppression rather than the curing of diseases.  People take blood thinners without trying to find out why the body is increasing blood pressure. Most disease id caused by insulin resistance ( cancer, diabetes, obesity, heart problems, and may others). Very few doctors address insulin resistance though, and the health care workers don't provide dietary information. In fact, hospital food often makes the situation worse. A few of the early vaccines had some success, but took years to develop and test. The pharmaceutical industry has latched on to this, and has been pushing damaging and crippling vaccines for many years now. The long term effects have  never been tested, and when it became apparent that they were shortening lives, and reducing the quality of life, they managed to get laws passed to prevent victims from pursuing claims for damages.

Step back and read the small print around the vaccines. No vaccine claims 100% success, and the best suggest 80% - that is 20% less than natural immunity. They also list numerous side effects and potential dangers. There have been several reports of deaths following vaccination. It is now being suggested that only healthy people are given the Astrazenecca vaccine, and presumably this is because healthy people can withstand the injection of disease. You may also like to reflect on the fact that no trial  has ever compared a vaccine against non-vaccination. All of the trials compare a vaccine against another vaccine, or a placebo, but the real competition is against healthy living.

I could go on about Vitamin "D", sunlight and lockowns, and face mask and increase eye infection and facial sores, but this [pst is probably quite long enough.

Your point of view is totally reasonable. But while it is logical, it is also insane. You should consider your values and try to change your mind, as your delusion means the death of millions of people. I have always considered you a very valuable member in this forum, but this COVID delusion of yours lately is messing up the concept many of us have of you.

If you wrote this topic a couple of years ago, we would answer - of course yes. The more hugs and kisses the better. But now it sounds like a call - let's infect each other. The virus is not visible and you cannot know if your friends are infected or not. Therefore, it is better to refrain from hugs now. That's when we overcome the pandemic, that's when we will hug and kiss.

I wish I could agree more with you but, refusing to agree which technically isn't disagreeing is the bases to get a better understanding now or in the later future. Your theory is going to face a lot of probing because, i don't know how the external is connected to the internal body fluids without a passage or link way of some sort. Immunity is a function of the internal body fluids, let's say, the lymphocytes, platelets amongst others which fights diseases and cloths cuts on the body as a way of preventing contamination from the external hence, there is virtually no way, the external hug can improve the immune system of a person. Perhaps hugs might make someone feel loved and put a couple of smiles on there faces which relaxes the muscles and in turn, they've got less things to worry about which is a good thing but, impact on immune response, I doubt.

If it were to be a solution, I don't see it working in this era of the pandemic when everyone is scared of everyone. You can't spread immunity by putting yourself out on the path of contamination. We won't go anywhere with that.

jetcash
many times i have to remind you..

you are british. meaning that healthcare is public funded and there are budgets.
its not an american system for profit.

i know your mindset is stuck on americanised scripts from idiots . but atleast you should use your mind for your own personal experience of british healthcare that you have access to and you might need.

in short
stop getting angry that healthcare is for profit when that is not the reality you actually see when using your healthcare system. you are just repeating words from idiots on websites that you don personally experience.
so stick to the real world of your own experiences not repeating idiots stories pretending that its your opinion of your reality.

That isn't from the Corona Virus. Also, sanitation and dietary awareness has increased. We have also dropped some of the damaging medical practices such as bleeding now that we know a bit more about disease. It is just a shame that greed, and a total disregard for the health of the bulk of the population has replaced the old methods based on misinformation.

A little reminder of life before vaccination :



it is not even that old it was 50-60 years ago.

I was almost thinking jet cash was going to say because of body odour  


I agree on this naked contact. It can make a baby boy have erection while suckling. I have noticed that in babies.

Jet Cash mention a mother her new born baby as an example, I do not see anything bad to huge. He did not imply you should not mentain social distance with strangers, it is not mean people should not wear face mask, using sanitizer and soap. But at home, will you still maintain social distance, I think that is not possible.

We all know hugging is good.. But not at this time.. Imagine you going out and spreading immunity buy trying to ask for hug. Sorry, you will mostly get slaps than hug because this is not the right time for that.. Even 1 hug can lead to several death.

here is the many funny parts of jetcash

if jetcash thinks covid doesnt kill.. then what is he trying to get immunised naturally against
EG bird poo on a car that never invades a person. will never cause a person harm.. right
so if jetcash is analogising that covid is birdpoo on a car that doesnt harm someone. then why is he saying tht people need to start licking birdpoo all of a sudden
if a think is of no harm, then there is no threat. and nothing to get 'immunised against'
meaning even if he licked birdpoo. it changes nothing. so why suggest people do it.

if there is a vaccine. is jetcash thinking he will be exempt from having a voluntary vaccine because he THINKS he already had covid
nah

in the UK there has never been any forced vaccination. you can actual just say no very easily
no one comes knocking at your door with a needing in their hand

as for advising people to hug other people.. thats a stupid way that will cause high dose viral load transfer.
you would actually be better to promote the social distance 2metre low dose low risk method

EG dont lick birdpoo. but if you get a little bit on your hand when opening your car door and then a smaller amount in your mouth when you suck your thump crying like a baby. its not as bad as licking a car roof full of birdpoo. you probably wont even taste it the small speckles of birdpoo from respectful common sense normal behaviour

its like jetcash wants to say best way to win a battle is not have training to fight but just go onto a angry cult/terrorist groups land and get attacked by thousands of people

smarter thing is to not poke a battle and if a few terrorists get into your personal space. then you have less of a battle to fight. thus less risk on yourself

so jetcash. atleast use logic and science and math and biology.
because all i see is that you are fused to websites that produce myths about house raids with syringe firing weapons are/will occur
and then asking the population to bomb that militia and drink their blood to be safe naturally
and then wearing their blood as a sign that you should not be raided next time they come to your house
sorry reality does not work like that

saying 'i dont need a vaccine because i hugged a sick person last month' is not
ill emphasise this .. its not the 'because i hugged someone lastmonth' .. its the voluntary part of just saying 'i dont need a vaccine' that will be why you wont have to have a vaccine

i can promise you this. no one will appear at your door to inject you.
if you dont want a vaccine. just dont have one.. simple

now that you have been told you can simply say 'i dont want one'
now learn to respect other peoples personal space because they may not want any sickness you are ignorantly going to pass to them. so stop trying to hug random strangers.

Its been suspected for quite a while now that covid can mutate fast enough so the concept of immunity is null. Whats not currently known is how much past infection helps prevent reinfection and how long to expect the antibodies you do produce to stick around. There have already been suspected cases of reinfection. People have tested positive and been hospitalized on separate occasions months apart after testing positive for covid19 both times. It can't definitively be claimed yet though, as its possible that the first infection of covid was weakened by the patients immune system, but then regained strength and knocked them down again rather than reinfection.

I think there are only some new age mystical hand-wavey explanations. Sources usually are Youtube, blogs or shady conspiracy websites. Too sad that this forum seems to be a place were you can find above-average conspiracy theorists.

Can you explain how hugging would "spread immunity"? I don't mean a new age mystical hand-wavey explanation or some anti-vax conspiracy theory, but a real explanation that is more than "social interaction improves general well-being".

Mother-infant contact is a bad example because the contact improves the infant's immune system is specific ways that don't apply to anyone else (stimulates milk production and transfers symbiotic bacteria).

Looking at the mortality rate is not enough. You have to look at the absolute numbers, but why am I even discussing this.

Side node: If you test a vaccine, there are of course side effects "killing animals". That's the reason why they are testing.

This virus is inflated and has lower mortality rate then a bit stronger flu. Numbers are low and not even inflating numbers with wrongfully assigned Covid19 on death certificates does not raise the death rate enough to justify all this propaganda...

This state/media coordinated propaganda is a clear innuendo towards obligatory vaccinations and if you want to learn more about the current situation with Covid19 vaccination research go and find Moderna test results so far. It is killing animals and developing numerous side effects with alarming percentages.

Especially because they are trying to improve MRNA vaccinations that target part of DNA which has not improved much since 2015. when that type of research has started.

There is lots to be seen in plain sight, but most people don't believe in "conspiracy" theories until they start happening and consequences are already upon us.

Problem- reaction - solution , and it already getting old...

So a bit more love, kindness and using your common sense will do much more for this world then a obligatory vaccination.

1. Enforced vaccinations have to be arranged by the national governments. Right now there is not even a vaccine, so please stop the panic.

2. So are you really saying vaccinations decrease longevity? That's just untrue. there are so many scientific papers examining the effects concluding that vaccinating has wiped out many diseases. But sure you are saying it's all fake news like your best friend Trump, right?

3. So to which school have you been in which country?

I've recently decided to stop arguing, it's great! So I'm using sarcasm instead: you're right

If you don't spread immunity, then we will end up with enforced vaccinations, and that will decrease longevity even more. The virus isn't killing people, the government policies are the real merchants of death.

In my school days, we learnt natural ways to improve heath. We didn't rely on injecting ourselves with poisons and disease.

I'll hug my wife and kids, and stay far away from all those people who are happily infecting each other with the China virus.

At first reading I thought you were just kidding. But than I realized that you are serious. How can someone suggest more social contact? You want more people to die? Where have you been in your biology classes at school?

We need more physical interaction, and social contact. This improves one's feeling of well being, and contributes to an improvement in health. Hugging is a great way to do this, but make sure you know the person before attempting it. One of the most important ways to build the immune system in a baby is naked contact with its mother. There seems to be a mistaken idea that this is unhealthy, and this is probably another lie that the Pharma companies are spreading to take control of our immune systems.