High voltage device creates an anti-gravity effect

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This is it about overunity.

If we can see the source of the energy, then we know it is not overunity.

If we can't see or determine the source of the energy, then we will have to wait until we know everything to determine whether or not it is overunity. Why? Because we don't know for sure that there is not a source that we aren't aware of.

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Quote from: Mr Tsoutsounopaiktis on April 15, 2015, 01:57:35 AM

This is not the point. The point is that the physics books are wrong and they should be rewritten.

I think you need to read a few of those physics books before you start making claims about re-writing them.

Nothing special or magical is shown in that video.

Check out electromagnetism, it's way more interesting.

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Quote from: Mr Tsoutsounopaiktis on April 16, 2015, 09:16:08 AM

Over unity is: output>input. The levitation is caused by the voltage. Measure the output force of the ionic wind and measure the input force of the battery and you will find the over unity.

So..... you're going to tell me something about a wind turbine under it to power itself then?? Roll Eyes

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Overunity, or creation of energy, can be observed in high voltage devices the same way as creation of rabbits can be observed in the hats of magicians in a circus.

You even said the explanation for the lift, ionic wind, going counter to the original claims.

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Quote from: BADecker on April 16, 2015, 09:38:20 AM

Quote from: Mr Tsoutsounopaiktis on April 16, 2015, 09:16:08 AM

Over unity is: output>input. The levitation is caused by the voltage. Measure the output force of the ionic wind and measure the input force of the battery and you will find the over unity.

Overunity suggests creating something that didn't exist before.

If overunity simply means tapping into some additional energy, energy that might come from sources that we don't know about, then overunity is easily acceptable.

Creating something that didn't exist before is a difficult concept to swallow.

Over unity is a fact observable by the experiments. The nature doesn't care if you can swallow it or you can't swallow it...! Grin

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Quote from: Mr Tsoutsounopaiktis on April 16, 2015, 09:16:08 AM

Over unity is: output>input. The levitation is caused by the voltage. Measure the output force of the ionic wind and measure the input force of the battery and you will find the over unity.

Overunity suggests creating something that didn't exist before.

If overunity simply means tapping into some additional energy, energy that might come from sources that we don't know about, then overunity is easily acceptable.

Creating something that didn't exist before is a difficult concept to swallow.

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Over unity is: output>input. The levitation is caused by the voltage. Measure the output force of the ionic wind and measure the input force of the battery and you will find the over unity.

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Quote from: protokol on April 16, 2015, 07:15:59 AM

Quote from: Mr Tsoutsounopaiktis on April 15, 2015, 01:39:42 PM

I mean, its not the point how to recharge the battery. The point is that we have an over unity system because the current is minimal. The voltage makes the whole job.

OK, you obviously don't understand what "over unity" is.

Over unity refers to a system that produces more energy that it consumes. Such a system violates the laws of thermodynamics and is theoretically and practically impossible to create.

The voltage and current are totally irrelevant here - all that's happening is the transformer is converting high current/low voltage from the batteries, into low current/high voltage. The power in the system stays the same. You cannot increase both voltage and current, as you would need more power from somewhere - there is no such thing as a free lunch.

A similar thing occurs in a Van de Graaf generator and a Tesla Coil.

For the device to demonstrate over unity, there would have to be a way for it to run forever. So the batteries would have to be continuously recharged by some method, or the batteries would have to removed (with the system continuing to run).

That's right overunity is a kind of perpetum mobile. A good example is a combination of an engine and an alternator, where the engine turns the alternator, which supplies power to the engine.

The device in the video seems to be working like an electromagnet, but there is a difference. It supposedly doesn't work in vacuum, so it's not a typical magnet but the levitation is caused by the current.

Correct, the device could only work in the presence of air, as it relies on ionizing air molecules to produce the ionic wind thrust effect. I just found this article about the potential of using the effect in aircraft: http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a8889/ion-thrusters-from-science-fair-experiment-to-aircraft-engine-15326499/

Just to clarify though, your example of an engine/alternator is not over unity (over unity is impossible). It does recharge the battery, but uses extra power and fuel to do so. An example of an over unity car engine would be an electric car that charged itself with 100%+ efficiency. Such a car does not exist.

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Quote from: protokol on April 16, 2015, 07:15:59 AM

Quote from: Mr Tsoutsounopaiktis on April 15, 2015, 01:39:42 PM

I mean, its not the point how to recharge the battery. The point is that we have an over unity system because the current is minimal. The voltage makes the whole job.

OK, you obviously don't understand what "over unity" is.

Over unity refers to a system that produces more energy that it consumes. Such a system violates the laws of thermodynamics and is theoretically and practically impossible to create.

The voltage and current are totally irrelevant here - all that's happening is the transformer is converting high current/low voltage from the batteries, into low current/high voltage. The power in the system stays the same. You cannot increase both voltage and current, as you would need more power from somewhere - there is no such thing as a free lunch.

A similar thing occurs in a Van de Graaf generator and a Tesla Coil.

For the device to demonstrate over unity, there would have to be a way for it to run forever. So the batteries would have to be continuously recharged by some method, or the batteries would have to removed (with the system continuing to run).

That's right overunity is a kind of perpetum mobile. A good example is a combination of an engine and an alternator, where the engine turns the alternator, which supplies power to the engine.

The device in the video seems to be working like an electromagnet, but there is a difference. It supposedly doesn't work in vacuum, so it's not a typical magnet but the levitation is caused by the current.

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Quote from: Mr Tsoutsounopaiktis on April 15, 2015, 01:39:42 PM

I mean, its not the point how to recharge the battery. The point is that we have an over unity system because the current is minimal. The voltage makes the whole job.

OK, you obviously don't understand what "over unity" is.

Over unity refers to a system that produces more energy that it consumes. Such a system violates the laws of thermodynamics and is theoretically and practically impossible to create.

The voltage and current are totally irrelevant here - all that's happening is the transformer is converting high current/low voltage from the batteries, into low current/high voltage. The power in the system stays the same. You cannot increase both voltage and current, as you would need more power from somewhere - there is no such thing as a free lunch.

A similar thing occurs in a Van de Graaf generator and a Tesla Coil.

For the device to demonstrate over unity, there would have to be a way for it to run forever. So the batteries would have to be continuously recharged by some method, or the batteries would have to removed (with the system continuing to run).

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I mean, its not the point how to recharge the battery. The point is that we have an over unity system because the current is minimal. The voltage makes the whole job.

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Quote from: Mr Tsoutsounopaiktis on April 15, 2015, 01:57:35 AM

Quote from: protokol on April 14, 2015, 04:13:08 PM

Quote from: Mr Tsoutsounopaiktis on April 14, 2015, 12:49:08 PM

Yes, but it is still a free energy or over unity propulsion system.

It's only free energy if you steal the two big batteries that power it.

And no, dipshit, it's not over unity. What are you gonna do, set up an array of computer fans to perpetually recharge the battery from the ionic wind? Good luck with that.

This is not the point. The point is that the physics books are wrong and they should be rewritten.

What? You just said it was an "over unity propulsion system", now you say that's not the point. Are you admitting that you were wrong?

Why do we need to rewrite physics books after watching a video that is perfectly explained by said physics books?

I don't know if you're trolling or just an idiot... Cheesy

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Seems to me that I read somewhere that back in the early to mid 1900s, the French were toying with the idea of using this method in their airplanes... vertical takeoff and landing vehicles. But at the time, the quality of electrical insulation was lacking enough that such was impractical.

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Quote from: protokol on April 14, 2015, 04:13:08 PM

Quote from: Mr Tsoutsounopaiktis on April 14, 2015, 12:49:08 PM

Yes, but it is still a free energy or over unity propulsion system.

It's only free energy if you steal the two big batteries that power it.

And no, dipshit, it's not over unity. What are you gonna do, set up an array of computer fans to perpetually recharge the battery from the ionic wind? Good luck with that.

This is not the point. The point is that the physics books are wrong and they should be rewritten.

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Quote from: Mr Tsoutsounopaiktis on April 14, 2015, 12:49:08 PM

Yes, but it is still a free energy or over unity propulsion system.

It's only free energy if you steal the two big batteries that power it.

And no, dipshit, it's not over unity. What are you gonna do, set up an array of computer fans to perpetually recharge the battery from the ionic wind? Good luck with that.

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Yes, but it is still a free energy or over unity propulsion system.

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Quote from: Mr Tsoutsounopaiktis on April 13, 2015, 02:46:02 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73QmjfaRbXY

I suppose most people here already know this, but I'd just like to mention that despite the name of the video (and this thread), that isn't really an anti-gravity effect - the device is still affected by gravity; it's simply producing lift (thrust). Also, as he mentions in the video, that doesn't work in a vacuum, which shouldn't be a limitation of an anti-gravity device.

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It is really neat to watch. I as lucky enough to see it once in person from someone who knew what they were doing. They used a old CRT to power it (very dangerous dont try at home).

It hovers higher then you think it would to.

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To say it simple:

1. You need ultra-high voltage DC - the higher the better (millions of volts worth of electrical potential if you can get away with it).
2. You need the voltage in capacitance-like state, spread over two metal plates - one plate is positive, the other, negative.
3. The plates need to be very close together - the closer the better - with a strong dielectric in between. (A dielectric is an insulator that doesn't allow any electrons to pass through itself, yet it DOES allow as much electrical force to pass as possible.)

The above, simple configuration will cause a physical force on the whole unit, attempting to move it in the direction of the negative plate, away from the positive plate.

EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Townsend_Brown.

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