Topic: Hitler wasn't strong enough, so... (Read 368 times)

Um, yes editing a quote and removing parts of my argument in fact changes quite a bit. Watch...  


After all, you did say that... I just removed a few key points.

Is Harvard a good enough source for you?

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=319762

So if you are done pretending my claims are some kind of baseless extremist tripe that no one supports...

There is such a thing as too much "multiculturalism".

Doesn't change a thing. What comes behind is not context but a joke of an explanation.

Now that you are done selectively editing my quote to cherry pick it, do you care to address the rest of my statement or just the part you would like to focus on and pretend it was said in isolation?

This.

Again this is noise backed by nothing.

So the most multicultural country ever, the USA has high criminality because it's multiethnicity?

I hope you are not serious.

1. More multiculturalism leads to more crime. Culturally homogeneous people share the same values and are less likely to get into conflict because they understand what is expected of each other.

2. Cultures can be displaced. It is not like oh don't let them have their own little pocket of culture over here, it is more like OH MY GOD THAT FLOOD OF CULTURE IS WASHING EVERYTHING ELSE AWAY. So yes, too much of another culture DOES STOP you from having your culture, especially when the other culture is willing to actively achieve this through violence and higher birth rates, while the multicultural pay for it via their taxes.

3. Nationalism doesn't force anyone into a culture. Are you really claiming the USA is a monoculture? Is not the USA fairly nationalist? Do we not have many ethnic cultures that all share the culture of The United States? You know how they got there? Slow assimilation over time, which is what does not happen when immigrants flood in enmass.

The idea that embracing multiculturalism would allow a culture to die is almost violent in itself.  Letting other people come in an practice their culture isn't going to stop you from practicing your culture.  Your culture won't die unless people decide to stop practicing it or are forced to stop practicing it.  Nationalism is a mechanism by which people are forced to only accept one culture.

You need to take lessons from Bohemians. Among them are some of the most intelligent "people" in the world. They live almost next door to you, in the Czech Republic.

The Incredible Intelligence of a Bohemian Shepherd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaLWilu9nak

Promotion is not war. Liking your culture and wanting to preserve it does not equal despising other cultures and wanting to destroy theirs. I'm not Japanese but I am, and have been fascinated by Japanese culture. I do not want it to disappear in a homogenized world. I'm not Italian but I don't want to bomb Italy, nor destroy Italy, nor subjugate it.

Nationalism is not bad; nor is it equal to tribalism; nor is nationalism warlike; nor is opposed to free trade between people and nations. As a matter of fact it is the multicultural, post-modernist left that is promoting the most vile, the most regressive identitarian politics.

LOL. As a Hungarian I have to admin that in the last 100-120 years the formations we sided with always went down in flames (unfortunately our own Austro-Hungarian Empire included). The AH Empire first, then the 3rd Reich, Soviet Empire, and now comes the 4th Reich .

Now Hungary is defying the current Germany EU political takeover scheme: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-01/illiberal-democracy-why-viktor-orbans-fan-base-keeps-growing-europe.

I love listening to left wingers, they always take it to extremes.
Nationalism is not fighting other cultures and is not against decentralization! Where did you get this idea? I like other cultures and I'm interested in learning about them and visiting other countries. Do you really think that someone who supports nationalism will be hostile to other cultures and unable to use decentralized forums or participate in a discussion?


Are you dyslexic?

Isn't that what Germany wants? A European army, so that Germany is strong enough to resist the one-world government?

 

One world government. This must be resisted and will be.

Excuse me if I don't take government statements at their face value when you live in a country where it is illegal and considered racist to collect government statistics on race, ethnicity, or religion, but lets address what you have sourced.



The first link: http://www.histoire-immigration.fr/questions-contemporaines/economie-et-immigration/quel-est-l-effet-de-l-immigration-sur-le-marche-du

Starts off calling out the "far right" in the very first sentence, I am sure this is non-biased  The whole thing relies on a single statement from an economist.


https://www.francetvinfo.fr/economie/emploi/metiers/restauration-hotellerie-sports-loisirs/emploi-de-migrants-dans-la-restauration-nous-avons-besoin-de-personnel-que-nous-n-avons-pas-en-france_2884807.html

This one is basically just an affirmation that poor people are more willing to be exploited for shitty pay. This isn't an argument this is just circular logic. The fact that poor people are more easily exploited is not an argument for uncontrolled immigration.


https://www.gisti.org/doc/presse/1999/cerc/synthese.html

More of the same of the above. None of this substantiates your claim that these people do not exploit the welfare system or that locals are lazy.

http://www.histoire-immigration.fr/questions-contemporaines/economie-et-immigration/quel-est-l-effet-de-l-immigration-sur-le-marche-du

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/economie/emploi/metiers/restauration-hotellerie-sports-loisirs/emploi-de-migrants-dans-la-restauration-nous-avons-besoin-de-personnel-que-nous-n-avons-pas-en-france_2884807.html

This is coming from a guy who did a formal report for the government.

https://www.gisti.org/doc/presse/1999/cerc/synthese.html


http://www.leparisien.fr/economie/les-restaurateurs-veulent-pouvoir-embaucher-des-migrants-05-08-2018-7844235.php

Source?

As I said I base what I say on what's happening in France/Germany. Also this is based on statistics not only my personal feeling.

Oh I see. So the only explanation is the locals are lazy? You sound rather contradictory from one breath to the next. Funny how all of your assumptions are accurate and what other people assume is automatically invalid because you disagree.

The wage is fair. Locals tend just to be lazy. At least in France. They are used to get a lot of help from the country. So low wage & difficult jobs don't interest them. They often prefer staying at home and getting money for doing nothing rather than work hard to get a bit more money.

Most immigrants know what hard work is, and don't mind doing it.

So you are saying it is justified they flood in because they are useful to be exploited instead of just paying locals a fair wage?

Before you did, no one actually.



For the first line you should read the definition of Nationalism again. Maybe to you it is just tradition and culture, however the definition is way broader.

And again you should actually talk to these "poor persons". I don't know where you are from, but where I am most immigrants are people working hard and usually take jobs most nationals wouldn't take because of the working conditions. They are not just here to take advantage of you and your hard earnt money.

Of course some of them are, but then again some nationals are too.


This is an opinion. It has been proven wrong in many different cases. Read and learn.

Sovereignity =/= military power.
One easy example : United Nations Peacekeeping.


Because this would be a bad deal for the USA. They would never do that. It is in the best interest of the USA and other rich countries that it remains this way.

What?
Who said anything about islam?
The argument against mass 3rd world immigration can be made fine enough without mentioning islam..


This forum welcomes people of all cultures and ideologies.

Nationalism is about being proud of your culture and traditions. It is also about looking out for your own people of your nation.
Just because another country or person would gain greatly from ripping us off doesn't mean we should let them rip us off because we need to look out for ourselves.
We aren't a charity for every poor person in the world to have a luxurious 3 hots and a cot..


Most of the 3rd world immigrants coming in are coming for the welfare, free stuff, and taking as much as they can get. They will take whatever any country lets them and go to whatever country they can take the most from.

In a libertarian system open immigration would be fine because their would be no welfare state. So if they can come and make it on their own merit then great.
Once you have a welfare state unlimited immigration just opens you up to being completely ripped off.
Do you realize that they simply cannot let everyone in the world come and give them all massive welfare? The money does not exist..
Many of the 3rd worlders coming in also create a lot of crime because they are uncivilized and they will have very hard times finding jobs by their own merit because they are not very educated or highly intelligent on average..

Hitler would never have been stopped without the patriotism of the soldiers of the countries that stopped him.
If all the allied countries were not patriotic, nationalistic, and wanted to be sovereign, why didn't they just let hitler walk on in and take them over?

Shit, if people should not be patriotic/nationalistic then why shouldn't all 3rd world countries just let the USA take over them because we are obviously much better at creating a strong economy and country right?
They should just beg us to come and run their countries for them, lol..

^^^ Go back to school to see that things have changed since you graduated under Hitler.

No. Tying all the things you said to people coming in, so immigrants is showing you know little to nothing about most modern countries.
France and Germany for instance would be nothing without the post war immigration.

The guy coming in didn't steal anything, if anything they are the very reason these countries are where they stand now.

Go back to history classes.

Also I don't see much added value in patriotism.

So you think you would take the locks off your doors because you fear people?

Why should a country take the locks off its national patriotism?

You gotta be unpatriotic to even think the way you do.

This is just basic xenophobia man.

Wait... so you are anti-nationalist but claim to be pro-decentralization? WAT? Globalism is inherently centralized. Also a lot of what you said was simply your opinion.

Right. Take the locks off your house doors. Open the doors wide for everybody to come in. And when they have cleaned you out of all your silverware and dishes, clothing, electronics, beds, paintings on your walls, and especially jewelry and money, then go over to their houses and do the same to them.

Reading this on a forum that is multicultural, cross boarder and proning decentralization is completely insane.


Nationalism is not about being proud of traditions and preserving culture.

It is about the promotion of the interests of a single country, even if it is at the expense of every other one. It is basically egoism.
Based on the way countries are interdependent today, nationalism is totally stupid. If you wan't to do it, do it 100% and live in autarcy. Have fun in your cave.

Nationalism is being used pejoratively by the leftists. Hopefully most of the people here see nothing wrong in it, because there's nothing wrong in being proud of your country and wanting to preserve its culture. Maybe one day Germans will wake up and see what Merkel has done with their country. I wish she'd took responsibility for her actions and allowed some economic migrants to live in her own house and the houses of her party colleagues.
As for the army, many EU countries will never go along.

... Merkle tried to get a new German military going, one that would include most or all of Europe.


France & Germany: "We Are Committed To The Emergence Of A European Army"