Topic: Home server for multiple coin staking (Read 2468 times)

My operating system has about 184 GB still available. But the same computer only has 7.88 GB of RAM still available.

That should be plenty for a half dozen staking wallets that must be kept open.

and why the virtualization and just pure Win 10?

Depends on the individual wallets, some are very resource hungry.

Why would anyone buy a big ass noisy and powerhungry server with 48GB RAM for staking?

Even a very old beaten up laptop with like 2GB RAM can run a couple wallets. You could even get a laptop with a broken screen or something nobody wants, setup remote access with a monitor plugged in, put it in the basement somewhere and forget about it while remotely connecting to it. It even has a built in UPS so even with poor batteries it will handle short power outages. It's really simple, no need to overcomplicate it with servers.

Depending on the amount of coins you want to stake, an rPi might also be a good idear...

https://medium.com/@monkas/how-to-setup-your-raspberry-pi-for-staking-multiple-wallets-c30d133a2ecd

I've read a discussion on bitcointalk a long time ago, and if i remember correctly, an rPi should suffice for staking at least 3 coins, to bad i can't find the exact thread.

This way, your setup will be very cheap, and your power consumption will be minimal... Offcourse, this setup won't suffice if you're staking dozens of coins.

EDIT: after re-reading the thread, i noticed bathrobehero already gave the same suggestion... I did not delete this post because i think his suggestion was only made on the sideline of the discussion, and i think it deserves a bit more attention

Slovakia, but looks like there is some seller on ebay.co.uk selling similar stuff and shipping through out the europe. so considering it. have to read more about staking first

Which country are you in?

damn, sadly not shipping to Europe and looks like not similar alternative available now

Hi Guys,

I have about 300 wallets permanently open (acting as a node) or staking.

Ryzen 1700 (8 core/16 thread - overclocking set to manual in BIOS  and set to clock speeds)
64gb ram (3200mhz, set to 2933mhz, due to M/B restriction, also max supported by M/B)
2 x 4TB NAS HDDs (mirrored), nearly full, so considering 2 x 6TB next.
Win7 pro (lots of older wallets don't work on Win 10)
Oh, and 1030GT GPU (about 10 watts each)

Runs ok, but you would be amazed how poor some wallets are, could do with at least another 64GB

2nd PC with same spec but 2 x SSDs, this one runs the real bad wallets (about 40), some seem to just trash the hdds all day, and perform sooo much better on the ssds.

Power consumption about 300-350watt across the 2 PC's

Hope this helps.
J

server fans are quite loud, have HP DL160, especialy on the boot.
they are not quiet as in PC, far from that.

It is safe, you can partially unlock with "only staking mode".
But yeah you will have to enter your passphrase in plain text but I don't think anyone can see the commands you enter when you connect with putty.

You need to unlock it for staking so it's not safe.

I wonder if the OP ever got his sever running? This thread is  2 years old, surely there has been some progress.

I have a racked PC running Windows 10 with an i3 and 8Gb of ram (just bought the cheapest 2U case I could find). OS on a raid 0 of 2 SSDs, the blockchains on a separate HDD. Got a whole bunch of wallets open yet it is still very responsive.

It's hooked up to an APC UPS.

What about renting KVM vps server and encrypt your wallet.

You sort of nailed it. It almost always matters a lot how many blocks a coin have. Coins with 2-3-4 million coins are almost always way slower. But there are also some coins with awful wallets, regardless of block numbers. They might look pretty and whatnot but they might be either crashing a lot or be resource hogs or just be generally annoying (dropping nodes, losing sync/forking off, frequent mandatory manual upgrade, etc).

Pwpwpw's experience also isn't unwarranted. PIVX used to lose all sync after each crash (and for a long time it forked off very frequently) but that has been fixed a while ago so it's better.

But, even though each wallet share some part of their codebase, they can be very different in terms of how they run. So realistically, the question isn't how many wallets you can run, but rather what coins? It's a weird mix and match but ignoring some really awful wallets (Verge, Ultracoin, Cryptonite (M7) are my most hated ones coming to mind) I think people way overestimate how much resources you need to stake. I mean the wallet might start slow and it might use the pagefile but once it's running, generally it's not using virtually any resources. There are some weird wallets though with frequent 100% CPU usage, regardless of what CPU you throw at it. Or wallets that have frequent high CPU usage so much they lag behind a few blocks with more than a few peers (I'm guessing someone syncing from you has some issues).

So anyway, I'd just run what I can if I were you and look at resource monitor or whatnot to see if there are any serious bottlenecks semi-long term.

But another poster is having a good time staking with little GB. See below.






So what is the difference between the computers these two guys are using for staking?  Why the difference in staking experience?

Will my 6 GB computer be able to handle just how many staking wallets?  Does the age of the blockchain matter because of how many blocks there are with older blockchains?  What else may matter?

How many staking wallets can a 8 GB computer handle?

 

I have a Precision T7610 and it works like a charm...love it.  Especially when staking multiple wallets and wallets that let you run a MN on your own tower instead of VPS.  I was so lucky, I got mine from a uni selling their old units with 64GB of RAM with 2x Xeon E5-2630 v2 2.6GHz

Which ones are you staking out of interest? I'm thinking about investing in a few alts long term and let the wallets stake. Has anyone made a yield comparison anywhere?

How is the noise generated from there?

Way overkill and likely very loud.

I have rigs running with up to 8 wallets with only 4GB ram, lots of pagefile and a dualcore Pentium without issues.

Would it be wise/doable to get a few wallets staking on a Qnap Nas?

Yep I got 2 of those, running all the STaking/wallets etc off them. real secure once you install Vmware virtualization (free) on top of windows 10 pro $15

This is actually very similar to what I was suggesting, a bit beefier. I would agree though that something like this would have all the horsepower you will probably need for those tasks.

Well.. my question was going to pwpwpw 

Stop listening to every one else: go buy yourself

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-R710-Virtualization-Server-8-Core-48GB-4x300GB-15K-1-2TB-PERC6i-/171307537270?hash=item27e2b99376:g:HfcAAOSwz71ZSpOj

it has 48GB RAM yes 48GB you can install windows 10 on it PRO buy a legit key for $15

you can run all the wallets/staking etc your heart desires...

good luck .

It is CPU mining, (litecoins) runs about 40k hash. Again not what I bought the sever for, I am just using it to experminet with how mining works. I also have it hooked up to a kilowatt meter to see how much power I draw at the end of a months time (again very new to mining), with using the inverter battery bank to supplement the power. This info I will in turn use to help me decide whether or not to buy an ASIC. Like I know the wattage on my inverter can handle most ASICs out there. The thing I need to determine is how much of the time could I run it from a solar charged batteries. Essentially it is an experiment to see how much of my existing equipment I can leverage ( solar batteries, etc )for a real mining setup and if it would be feasible.

Anyway I am going a little off topic, but in reference to the OP's question. I just felt like one of these machines had the hardware specs they were looking for at a much lower price point than $500. Plus  server grade hardware  such as the ECC memory coupled with the ability to hot swap many components should mitigate the need for reboots, as mentioned also. I don't know exactly what is causing the OP's system to crash so I can't comment on that aspect, not having tried staking yet myself ( though I would like to). Just thought I would try and help out is all.

Would like to know this too...looks like it must be CPU mining?

This exactly what I did and it's worked great.  Got a grade B refurb from newegg for ~$150 and added some memory for another $50, even though it didn't seem to really need it.  I have staking wallets running 24/7 for about three weeks now with no issues so far.  It stays cool just fine while staking, only heats up when I unplug it to check on it or update/download new wallets.

Would you mind telling us the coins that you are staking right now / planning to stake? 

Hey new user here and very new to mining. I am however familiar with networking and servers as it is my major. I am not sure if this is the type of solution you are looking for, but you can buy slightly older gen servers off of Amazon between 200-300 depending on the specs. I bought a gen6 HP Proliant for about $250 a few months back. (nothing to do with mining). Anyway for the price It had 2 quad core cpus, 32gb Ram and 4 164gb SAS drives. Nearly everything is hotswapable and the hardware is designed to be in constant use. Another advantage is it also came with 2 Psu that instantly take over if one fails. What I do while I am learning how mining works and testing it out; is I will have it connected to PSW inverter for a few hours then just plug the second Psu in when I hear the low battery warning and switch back to grid power. This lets me switch back and forth with out ever having any downtime. Anyway I thought I would share my experience, because for about half the price you mentioned in your op, you can buy one of these that seems like it meets the RAM and storage specs you want along with some bonus features.

I use win7x64 on all my machines.

If you get an SSD you should increase the pagefile so in case you don't have enough ram it swaps it to the otherwise fast SSD.

And of course always have backups that are not on your laptop just in case.

I just checked the used/second hand laptops here, they are basically the same as I have E6410 (1st gen i5)with more or less ram/ssd, for about 450$ you can get a 3rd gen i5 with 250ssd and that is quite expensive for such old hardware so if you think a laptop can handle it, will put an SSD in mine and get 4gb more ram. I'm not used to linux but you think it's better than using win7? (not gonna go for win10) if so, what distro you recommend for such simple task ? Currently I'm thinking to use it for about 4-5 normal wallet staking and 2-3 masternode hosting.

Staking isn't demanding at all. Other than using a lot of memory it's just a bit of CPU usage and some HDD read/write here and there - unless a wallet is awfully buggy.

It's light use like browsing facebook so any laptop should handle it 0-24. They shouldn't even get hot. I mean people are using Raspberry Pi's to stake and they can handle it.

I do have an older Dell laptop, https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834295366&cm_re=dell_e6410-_-34-295-366-_-Product something like this but without SSD. My problem with laptops are, their cooling generally is shit, I don't know how long they can go 24/7 with that cooling, especially when it all gets hot, cpu warms up hdd, and it all gets damaged faster than a normal PC, even the power adapter of a laptop is insanely hot, like an 1A phone charger charging at 1A full power, after an hour tops it's close to melting. Also UPS doesn't really matter because if the power goes out, my router goes off too so net dies anyway, it's ok for very short power outages I give you that.

Do you use a laptop 24/7 for this task and you say it can handle it?

I was thinking something like a tower server but they all have quadros which is useless to me. If it were a new machine, would build something with small form factor, micro atx, big cpu heatsink and massive 200mm cooler on top so it would be cool and quiet, but buying this from new parts is really expensive, a decent cpu cooler is above 50$, same for case.

Btw, I can't buy from USA, I'm in EU.

I'm not familiar with laptop prices, it was just a quick search. Regardless, you reinforced my point.

Who would buy that trash? Walmarts got Skylake i5 (8gb) and i7 (12gb) laptops on clearance for $200-300.  Even lower end ones for $79.

Forget servers, buy a used laptop instead. That way you have a built in UPS in the form of the battery for uninterrupted staking.

For staking HDD is fine, but with a bunch of wallets you might want an SSD.

Just a qucik example:

Refurbished HP Laptop EliteBook 2560P Intel Core i7 2nd Gen 2620M (2.70 GHz) 16 GB Memory 256 GB SSD Intel HD Graphics 3000 12.5" Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit - $381 on newegg (link).

At least this is what I would do if I didn't have a UPS already.

Hey guys,
I'm staking about 3-4 coins on my main PC right now and they eat up about 4-5GB ram (win7 x64 OS) and every time I restart/crash it's annoying to load unlock all wallets again, or copy old backup blockchain in case of pivx (database corrupts with every crash) also I'm thinking to add new staking coins, so I'd need some kind of a quiet home server. Building it from new parts seems to be quite expensive, small ITX cases, new mobo, cpu, ram, it can go up to 500$ very easily and it doesn't even have storage. I'm not sure if normal HDDs can handle multiple staking wallets, right now I'm on a 500GB SSD (this handles anything easily). Share if you know any good used older model home servers, like dell optiplex models, they are not really servers but I used a few of them and they are quite reliable. I'm not sure if ECC ram and xeon cpu is really needed for 24/7 staking, I don't think it's a must, any i5 cpu should be fine about 8gb of ram. Hit me up with some suggestions. Thanks