Topic: homosexuality is unnatural nonsense from america (Read 1213 times)

It is claimed unnatural because they do not promote the ordinary standards that are set in the society.
Homosexuality exists in our nature but we should not forget that life is also part of this world and by human homosexuality it is not promoted.
I am not taking their side I am just saying an opinion based on the post I read.

That's not sad. That's normal.
We shouldn't be able to dictate to people what they should do.
The thing is they're currently forcing us to accept their lifestyle.
I believe they have the right to do what they want to do.
But I have the right to consider that disgusting, risky and unproductive. And they want to force&mandate on how I think, how I feel and what I speak.
I would never want my children to be homosexuals, they compromise 70% of AIDS cases!
I want my children to be healthy, happy, and if possible to provide me with grandchildren.

Sad but true its becoming normal to other country. In fact they accept same sex marriage. We cant deny the fact that it is really possible to have disease due to it.  But what sad is we cant dictate what other people should do.  It is their freewill and have freedom to do what they want and who to love.

Homosexuality is a natural phenomenon and is not limited to any geography. Also , going by this thread you can not compare humans to insects. In many insects colonies , there are things that dont fit in human world. Like superiority of females, power and eloping methods. Homosexuality is normally abnormal and anyone belonging to that community should not be looked down upon. They should be treates without any discrimination and should be given equal opportunities.

Indeed.  Reductio ad absurdum:

Bedbugs practice traumatic insemination.  Due to the lack of a input port in female bedbug anatomy, the only way for bedbugs to have sex is in essence an ultraviolent rape:  The male literally breaks a hole in the female’s body, and injects his sperm into the gaping wound.  For obvious reasons, the female often resists this.  Sex is unavoidably injurious, and sometimes fatal to the female; but if she does not die, then she can lay fertile eggs.  If a female is unavailable, the male will sometimes traumatically inseminate a weaker male just for kicks; I suppose that proves homosexuality is “natural”!

With bated breath, I will now wait for KingScorpio to argue that traumatic insemination would not be perverse for humans.  Indeed, I modestly propose that it should be legal and socially acceptable.  Why, it is perfectly natural and normal!  Learn wisdom from the insects.  Stop being “phobic” of my lifestyle of punching holes in women’s abdomens and injecting my sperm into their bleeding wounds.  What, are you a closeted traumatic inseminator just making outdated moralistic preaching to cover for your own insecurity?

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Having so stated, I need not reach the point of tearing up OP as to fact on scientific grounds.  Anyway, that’s best left for an entomologist.  It seems wise, however, to briefly remind readers of this thread that just because you read something on the Internet, that does not make it true.

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This is why I initially refused on principle to set my “gender” in my forum profile.  I don’t have a “gender”, in the ridiculous postmodern meaning which has been quite artfully constructed for that word.  I have a sex, and it is an innate, naturally unalterable part of who I am which I refuse to devalue by calling it a “gender”.

I find the term “gender” highly offensive!

I finally broke down and set my “gender” on pragmatic grounds, after I discovered that it is nowadays politically correct to use a default “her”:


This still bothers me.  To call my sex a “gender” is a personal attack on the very essence of my being—a mad division of my body (“biological sex”) from my soul (“socially constructed gender”) which is not other than a religious dogma of that godless bastard son of the primitive Christian mentality called “liberalism”—a thought-control exercise in the power of he who defines which I find deeply oppressive.  Think about it:  This is real oppression!

And speaking of Christians...

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(To avoid a strawaman of my own:  I do realize that rational arguments on this topic are sometimes advanced by people who happen to be Christian, and by organizations predominantly comprised of people who happen to be Christian.  However, they are effective only to the degree that they don’t mix up their rational arguments with their “Bible says” beliefs; and they seem to be the exception, with “Bible says” being the rule.)

Worse yet, the Christians have a perverse incentive (so to speak) to falsely claim for themselves and/or their Jewish antecedents the historical distinction of being the first to prohibit homosexuality.  This is not only factually false, but quite the opposite of the truth; and it leads to such manifest absurdity as this standing unchallenged as to fact:


Wrong.  And I am not even sure if you’re just trolling here, due to what follows:


Say what?  Ancient HIV epidemic?  Is that some new “creative history” like Cleopatra being black, the pyramids being built by space aliens, or prehistoric matriarchy?

N.b. that there were many ancient non-Jewish, non-Christian cultures both inside and outside Europe which condemned homosexuality.  Example inside Europe:  Pre-Christian Germanics regularly executed male homosexuals.  Example outside Europe:  At some point, the ancient Assyrians had a codified law that men convicted of homosexual activity shall be castrated.  Neither of these population groups had ever suffered even the slightest influence from the Bible.


A misleading half-truth.  Greece had a very limited tolerance for homosexual, mostly paederastic relationships of a kind which are not accepted anywhere in the world today.  Rome was much less accepting of any type of homosexuality, and mostly only a bit tolerant by implication of the principle that what a man does privately in his bedroom is his business alone.

Neither had any notion of, much less tolerance for, a homosexual lifestyle with same-sex marriage, etc.  Indeed, even same-sex marriage advocates openly admit that the concept is historically unprecedented.

So few people point that out.  I am glad one did:


So, you’re sick...


...and you demand that humans be remade in the image of your sick fantasies.

Assuming arguendo that it could work (which is not true), you have not explained why non-sick people would want for this to “work”.

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I could have written most of this post myself, although I would have shown a bit more basic literacy^*—and the parts which I have hereby highlighted are exactly what I would have said about Communists!

KingScorpio, perhaps you were inadvertently too candid.  I observe that leftists usually pretend that their favoured “outsiders” du jour are friends who come in peace, and are adorable as cute puppies.  Whether the “outsiders” in question are social outsiders, such as homosexuals, or national outsiders, such as immigrants, anyone who accuses “outsiders” of being “hostile” is automagically a “right-wing extremist”.  Thank you for admitting the truth.

A question for the peanut gallery:  Why would anybody want a “tool of anyone” which “strengthens hostile outsiders”?  Cui bono?

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* It’s scary that KingScorpio is probably allowed to vote without a reading test, per the “one sheep, one vote rule”.

We cannot blame the entire country for one's own wish.
On expanded technology in this modern world homosexuality also has become a fashion. In developing countries there law has been passed that if two people of same gender willing for homosexuality then it's not a crime unless they are forced to. But even being a lesbians more and more chances for acquiring diseases especially sexually transmitted diseases like gonnohrea, syphilis,and later stages turns into hiv.
So it's far better to follow a oath or philosophy that one man for one woman concept.

Gender is not constructed. It's biological. There's a thing called chromosomes.
You either have XX or XY.
XX- Female
XY - Male

I am much less concerned now.

But what if the hottest girls just came straight from hell?

But I guess with climate change now, they are all getting hotter.

I'm glad they are ok. They sound like they could be good friends.

To think of others is a good idea. It will pay back. 

I don't know if he really hate because they seem kind heart girls. One was hot other one average. Not ugly sinners. I think I am ok. Nothing bad happened to me now and that was year and more before. They are ok. To be honest. They do not heed my words they suggest repeat again after. This is their choices I have warned.

2 uglies worse that 1 ugly so don't want bad mark for having worse.
 

You have some certainly very interesting ideas. I have to agree, that finding 2 girls who God already hates for their homosexuality and trying it with them is better than causing God to hate more people. He's pretty busy already, you know.

But are the girls whom God already hates hotter than those he doesn't hate? I don't think I'd want to get involved with any who were ugly as sin.

Homosexuality is natural and not an influence coming from any nation. It is all normal to be born with not soi normal hormones which can result in change in characteristics of any human being. Does not make sense to compare humans and insects here. Now is the time when we change our thinking and accept the course of nature. LGBTQ community already fave lot of challenges , mostly societal and we who consider ourselves educated should embrace them and consider them normal. There should not be any discrimination and any individual should be allowed to lead life in his or her own way.

Well humans are a totally different specie where everyone can be fertile, unlike bees and ant/termites where there's only one breeding female and they only keep a small amount of males as genetic reservoirs. Whether homosexuals actually benefit close relations (that's the theory) is up for debate and no one can seem to agree about it.


This I agree is happening and that's what's causing this backlash. They went too woke that the joke is some areas in California it's heteros that are discriminated. You want to swallow swords or munch on carpets, you do you. But stop having to bring it to school. Crazy feminist teachers are even grooming kids in preschool telling them they are trans. Who do this teachers think they are, JK Rowling?!

I think that the suppression and repression of their lifestyle and traits (which were once very much hidden away in the closet) has been bottled up so long it has burst out of the dark and into the light. There is all of this outwardly expression of emotions that end taking a form like with the parades and all of the extra unnecessary means of outward expression. Look at feminism, women have been suppressed for so long that a whole group of lesbians got together who hate men and created a liberation movement for women to empower them. While I don't personally agree with feminism I can understand why it has become so strong as it is even though their approach  comes off as toxic.

I believe there were people disputing a certain passage, saying that it's more a prohibition on pederasty rather than homosexuality. Regardless, if salvation is through a personal relationship with God, then let people do what they want since, in theory, it should only be them that will suffer the consequences in the afterlife, right?

a society that seeks to explore the universe, should be capable understanding that genders are also constructed.

and that between man and women there is interval and even outside of them (superfemale, supermale) exists.

you are either science fiction driven or exploration driven, or you are another one of those judeo/christian suiciders

Guess where Americans came from. All over the world. Even Native Americans came from China/Mongolia. So, you can tell where Americans got homosexuality from. Everywhere else!

Someone told to me that God hears some homosexuals in the bible. He told to soldiers to place them one behind the other and put spears through their pussies and penises. Leave them there to die. So he don't like this idea of both same together homo. He shows to me the scripture. It is true. I read it myself. I check it not a fake bible. Mine say the same in bit different words. Personally I was not considering it. I was planning for my girlfriend and her bisexual girlfriend for threesome.  He says to me don't place her life on the wrong anger of God.

I decide no to risk wrath of God on that girlfriend. Later on I find 2 girls already God might hates for homosexuality  and tried with them. This way I am ok.  Later I feel guilt and tell them, you girls might need to read about the bible one day. Even though he hate you guys before my part maybe. Read and see it.

I don't know what is true. Even if God is true same like we thinking . Not to risk it is best way. Is bible even true. I tried read it but then got to son of son of son of son of. Son of part. I skipped some out.

Another friend told to me that although I believe lesbians are less bad ones. I am wrong. This mean less chances of us. Better to be supporting homosex men. More of those is more beneficial to us.  I see his poin of view.

I sticking to one girl at one time, but enjoy lesbian porn movies if they are hot. It looks good when they 69. 

for humans without certain type of technologies and social organisation homosexuality doesn't work.

but it can work.

When you read the Bible you will see that Homosexuality has been there for a very long time,  look at what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah because they wanted to carnally know the Angel's of the Lord. This has nothing to do with America but because everyone can seemingly do what they want there. Most people say they are gay and proceed to do it thought most of them are mostly experimenting.

The thing is homosexuality was never so systematically propagated, thaught and encoureged as it is today.
It's pushed down everyones throats every single day.

I don't think fucking someone in the ass was part of someones identity in ancient Greece. Nor that it was deemed as positive&brave.
Today you can't be gay and a normal person, you have to flaunt it around, go on parades, dye your hair and tell everyone how gay you are because that's your identity.
If you took away his gayness, he wouldn't have an identity at all.

I really don't think Homosexuality started or originated in America. I think that this has been a constant throughout worldwide history, it is a given, it's been here since the dawn of man and it isn't going anywhere anytime soon. America takes a different approach to these matters and the politicians and lobbyists fight hard within congress to make sure that regardless of whatever sexual identity, religious belief, code or creed you live by, you're treated equally as a citizen.
  Sweden has taken the initiative to progressively move ahead leading the forefront for LBGQT equal rights. It seems more of a scientific and political matter more than a religious one these days (no offense to the religious), but to each his/her/it's own, I think the bigger picture may be finding equality among all the confusion.
 Just my two cents.Q

Can't really blame America for this, it's pretty much existed for most of history, with various cultures having their own way of responding to it, from the indifference of the Greeks to the outright violent response of Islam.

I would however blame America for the toxic femininity the world is experiencing right now. Basically this, but on a planet-wide level: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMucmRlPZK0

i dont mind homosexuality if its not toxic for a society homosexual behavior can be balancing and beneficial for a society,

bee swarms wouldn't work as they work harmonically if they wouldn't be homosexual/gender neutral.

issues are about sustainability etc.

Yeah, I'm gonna need a citation for that.

Do you know what else is natural?

Murder.
Ripping your opponents apart and throwing their limbs around (apes).
Throwing poop at other members of your group.
Eating your offspring.
Rape.
Dolphins often bite a fish in half and then fuck it's corpse. (I'm not even sarcastic)

Sexual life of men are more longer,sometimes even mid 70s can give birth.

Right. The king would need to breed a lot of women so that he would have a lot of women to breed a lot of warriors from. By then he would be too old to be king any longer... if he hadn't already died from old age.

Yes, but wasn't your position (paraphrasing...) homosexuality is okay because (A) (B) (C) reasons...

An ethical or moral justification can't be made by comparison with insects. Sexuality in mammals varies widely. Some have been studied a lot, some species hardly at all.

As an example of a valid justification, suppose a king in the Middle Ages wanted to maximize male baby production so he could have the biggest armies. He might well set social incentives for baby production both through marriage and out of marriage sex, and set negative social incentives for gay behavior.

That's totally rational - in that context.

the universe is a big place, there could be huge insectoid species, that live like insects,

besides there are feminists and feminist kinder gardens, there are also people that research artificial womb,

that are signs for a societial organisation similar like the one of a insect state,

not to mention muslim harems, where in a city more than 50% of the women where basically property of a single man.

you call yourself smart using a computer, then at least be smart, and open.

the universe is big, complex and diverse, if you don't like it become a farmer again.

regards

Just a clarification. You can defend sexual behaviors all you want, and there are many valid defenses. But justification by comparison with insects is just plain ridiculous. This is also true for a comparison with different mammalian species.

from racism to sexuality a single featue like size insektoid humanoid skincolor is interchangable and extractable from an organic konzept.

Homosexuality is not natural rather it's an unnatural desire that came in mind of few odds. These things are only popular in developed countries since poor people have other thing to focus. Its necessary for life human to have sex between Male n female and keep this shit out of the society

The problem with this statement is that you are picking something that suites you but if you pick those then some animals have cannibalistic instincts  . As humans do what suits you the best without harming others and if you stop judging others and keep on doing what is best for you then the world would have been a better place.

humans are also just individuals, acting

if you look into historic human history most humans lived genderneutral

all the roman soldiers where basically either gay or gender neutral, few of them married

especially islam has a broad band of genderneutrality.

all mujahedin dying in wars, where gender neutral individuals,

and those few males that owned harems with several thausand women where the only ones reproducing.

tech advantage will create even more possibilities, reproduction might become some kind of a product, buyable by everyone singles; corporations, etc.

traditional marrier male and female partnerships might get into competition, just because judeo christian history dominance destroyed all evidence on the existence of genderneutral living human beings, doesn't mean it never existed. christian church simply was bigotted and fanatic regarding that marriage model, and it was also pushed by christian nobility to have a huge reproduction.

regards

I think you don't get the point right: The thread is about humans in particular not other creatures where homo is indeed a natural thing Pls do not compare apples with bananas!

no they are the opposition speaking for the financially excluded, that could be the tool of anyone who isnt in power also muslims islamists, black supremacists etc.

lefties have a history of weakening the establishment and strengthening hostile outsiders.

You're right. Lefties are simply a tool of the communists.     

american lefties have nothing to do with communism, i am sick and tired seeing them being compared with communism

This fits homosexuals, as well.


Don’t buy into the Left-wing propaganda: Stats show there is no “murder epidemic” of transgenders

There are very few of those who chose to be homosexual but majority of homosexuals are naturally born that way and you cant blame them . For many years , society has already been cruel to them and its high time that we impart some support to them and accept the way theh are. They are already in minorities and reproduction system wont be hampered if some chose to love the same sex.

^^^ But each person is important to God. And when they choose such a useless thing for their life as homosexuality, they are going against the purpose that God made them for... to have kids.

Poor God. He is in such a quandrie. He loves homos, but He needs to have His purposes fulfilled. Otherwise there is no use to having people at all! So, what is God going to do? Here's what.

God will give homos a chance to turn to Him... and prove it by turning away from their homosexuality. If they don't turn, He will have to give them what they are asking for by their actions... destruction.

If you see a lot of them maybe you feel like is kind of natural, but it isn't part of our reproductive nature. I'm not against homosexuality, but that isn't natural, mans having sex between them are doing it for pleasure in a debauchery way. They are not trying to create a family nucleus.

Thanks to those governments who have declared this illegal, human specie is far from getting extinct.
This abnormal behavior is present in almost every era but there no were very few and we must try to keep there no as small as we can else there will be no human life on this earth.

I say it is better in western countries compared to some Asian and SouthEast Asian countries where Homosexuality is a Taboo. There are countries where its actually a crime to be one. US government is a little tacky with this matter. They should be clear about giving respect to everyone. 

Hey,

I would say homo is indeed a flaw in human nature of recreation. If it was natural we would not exist! And that's why I dont support the trend of homosexual ppl adopting children.

But I also think "be sexuality" is natural, because it still allows humans to recreate. And I'm convinced a lot of ppl ar "BE" depp inside her feelings but they are too afraid to carry it out.

Have a nice one, cheers ...

I do agree with Kirk Cameron views that marriage is defined by God between a male and a female. Almost every religion is against same-sex marriage. They are unnatural, against normal human nature and are destructive for our societies.

It already happened.

Watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytztSqknCEQ

More money for the medical to make these unnatural things work.

Why not just do it the regular way?

Loads of people who have changed there gender direction are seeing and feeling the "pain" of it as they move into later life. Though they don't admit it, they wish they hadn't done it.

Hopefully with that relationship a man can conceive and also give birth  .
I would love to see even if not directly.
For me the regulations made by the government are very precise.

The only people who hates and forbids homosexual is mostly religious people because they believe that men is only meant for women and vice versa. Some even kill homosexual cause they thought they're all sinners and would be burning in hell when judgement day is upon us. I say, do what you want despite what religious fanatics tells you what to do or to think and feel.

you can be born into a herosexual family but you can also be born in a hive by drones, or to a lone raising mother or multiple women,

from that perspective you can much more neutraly choose what is right or wrong.

Homosexual  is actually a choice by those who choose it against the Heterosexual  which is the Normal routte which  have been the route to which all homosexuals came to this world.  If their parents were Homosexual, it means all the Homosexual will not be born. It is an act that I know God did not approve . The chances of contracting bacterial infections are very high as Well as Parasitic organisms.How will a person  live the Normal Provision of God  for a Channel meant for Removal of waste from the body?  

"homosexuality is unnatural nonsense from america"

Apparently clickbait is your second name. You got me on this one

i have this deep fantasy in my head of one day seeing fitgirls running their own community/city or maybe even state, like bees or ants do, treat men like sex objects.

I'll start with a short introduction. I respect all people, without exception, because if a person hasn't done something bad to me or my family, then what he does is not my concern.

I am not for it, and not against it.
Each of us has a freedom of choice. Forcing someone to be within some framework is unnatural.
Everyone talks about homosexuality, but few people look at the root of this situation.
Yes, this is not rational globally. But you can’t go against this, because these are ordinary people, like us, they also have sincere feelings, I’ll even say that you need to have the courage to be so when many are opposed to this (if this, of course, is sincere, but not because it's trending).

The main thing is to be honest with yourself and with other people. Act in good faith. To give good and love to the whole world. Thinking about future generations.

Do not get me wrong, but I think that many people are simply confused, although I do not argue that feelings can be real. But still, if we strive for objectivity, I think that to continue your kind is no less important than everything else.
This issue must be approached with respect, understanding and without emotion. And in this case, we will come to the conclusion that this doesn't benefit the whole world, since we are all dependent on each other. We just need to be honest with yourself and with others, and then everything will be fine. And there will always be exceptions, and special cases.
Therefore, I propose, to be prudent, respecting each other, and let's live in peace, this is what we need most now.

Homosexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction , or sexual behavior between members of the same sex or gender.  In East Asia, same-sex love has been referred to since the earliest recorded history.
Homosexuality in China, known as the passions of the cut peach and various other euphemisms, has been recorded since approximately 600 BCE. Homosexuality was mentioned in many famous works of Chinese literature. The instances of same-sex affection and sexual interactions described in the classical novel Dream of the Red Chamber seem as familiar to observers in the present as do equivalent stories of romances between heterosexual people during the same period. Confucianism, being primarily a social and political philosophy, focused little on sexuality, whether homosexual or heterosexual. Ming Dynasty literature, such as Bian Er Chai, portray homosexual relationships between men as more enjoyable and more "harmonious" than heterosexual relationships.[59] Writings from the Liu Song Dynasty by Wang Shunu claimed that homosexuality was as common as heterosexuality in the late 3rd century.[60]  Opposition to homosexuality in China originates in the medieval Tang Dynasty (618–907), attributed to the rising influence of Christian and Islamic values,[61] but did not become fully established until the Westernization efforts of the late Qing Dynasty and the Republic of China.....
 -(Etymology)-

God's existence in your mind, will show you in the Judgment Day, that He exists everywhere, in power. How many generations will God allow you to live? Nobody knows for sure. But the odds are that you won't live much beyond 100 years, if that. So for you, the universe will be destroyed in your generation, right?

People make up stories, but stories that last for thousands of years, hand copied generation to generation, almost exactly the same in the latest generation as in the first, are stories that have power. You can't even get a classroom to spread a simple message around the room, person-to-person, and have that message be the same at the end as it was in the beginning.

The media has not become the moral guidance for all people. There were always some people who resisted God in their spirits. The anti-God media will be destroyed like all God-resisters. You are living in a dream, because you have a little God-given power for the moment. Wake up and understand the power of God while He still gives you time to take hold of His strength and live.

Btw, Moses at the burning bush had at least 4 witnesses. Moses himself was one, and the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit of the One God were the others.

Yeah.  You're really overthinking the joke. 

Relax fella.

I'm sure many others got it, but your defending the finite points and theories that weren't addressed. 

Here's the simple part.... if everyone were homosexual (no attraction to, or interest in boning the opposite sex.... no penis inserted into any vagina ever again)...procreation would end.

I know I know.  You're gonna go with artificial insemination here.

Theorize all you want. We'd run out of homosexuals without heterosexuals

homosexuality is not about sex
its about preference for a particular gender

if you think people are gay just for rubbing bodies parts. then your male hand rubbing your penis when you masturbate must make you gay. as that is male on male intercourse, by your definition

however while you masturbate you may have the desire and the image of a female on your mind that arouses you and excites you and makes you happy. so is the act of masturbation making you gay, or the arousal and desire of a female make you straight

even virgins who never had any physical action can tell if they are gay or straight purely b knowing which gender excites and interests them

im guessing your the naive kind of guy that thinks girls experimenting means they are and shall always be defined as lesbian purely because they experimented for a dare.

im guessing you naively believe that people who are not attracted to each other cannot have sex. have you not heard of prostitution, or gold diggers or baby momma's

women can become pregnant without having desires or interests in men. so dont worry about extinction. maybe be more worried that you need some extra lessons in sex education

god doesnt want sin? god will destroy the universe?
........ 2000 years... nothing
if someone sins and some god give time for that person to change their ways.. universe woud have been destroyed in one generation not 100 generations not thousands of generations

those who hate sin are the humans brainwashed to hate sin due to the moral compass programmed in them from stories they read and laws they felt obligated to follow

god is not a killer. agents who follow stories are killers. and those agents are the ones who shift the blame to some entity
to pretend they are themselves not sinners.. which is hypocritical

'god' only exists in the mind. 'god' is peoples subconscious
some have the 'god fearing' mindset some have the 'forgiving god' mindset

each person has their own moral compass in their mind. depending on how they interpret stories
there is no single entity of god.
it is the people that tolerate or wish to abolish things and re-write laws and change their actions depending on what majority feel is best/worse

people make up stories, people form opinions, people gain and lose power, and yes people shift the blame onto others.

media has become the 21st century bible of stories of moral guideance. its just a shame that some of the stories mislead people to believe the wrong things that cause more harm than the thing media is trying to dissuade people from doing

Did I ever mention love ?

Without linking a definition, I think most can agree that homosexuality means same sex intercourse, or the opposite of heterosexuality.    Rub two peckers together, you'll never produce a child. Rub two beavers together, you'll never produce a child.  Really is simple science.

my statement still stands.
even lesbians want kids. doesnt mean they have to love a man to have kids

But you don't know this. Only time will tell if the earth even lasts 2000 more years. But if it does, nobody knows that any book other than the Bible will last. Or do you have a crystal ball?


Adam and Eve and their family were all witnesses to each other. Btw, they probably ate bananas back then.

So you think that witnesses in the early American court systems were real. You think that witnesses for some science fiction book are real. But you don't believe the witnesses for the greatest book of all time - the Bible - were real. Sounds like you have a false religion going for yourself.


But you weren't there. So how do you know? Jewish tradition suggests that Adam's language was very similar to Ancient Hebrew. Ancient Hebrew and Ancient Phoenician just about sprang up together. Both go back farther than we have records to show us their beginnings.


But that isn't what God does. God proves what He orders. God caused Ancient Israel to fall in battle to foreign nations. Then, when they obeyed Him, He raised them back to strength. God did this as many times as they forsook Him. Finally He destroyed them in their fall to Babylon, and again to the Romans in 70 A.D. They disobeyed God, and God doesn't threaten without carrying out.


You forget the part about the people witnessing God's power through Moses. If Moses wasn't powerful way beyond any mortal man, Israel would have perished just like Ancient Babylon perished because Nebuchadnezzar wasn't really strong. But the strength of Moses was part of what kept him alive in the minds of Israel and other nations, and does so up to today.


You are seeing the beginnings of Trump's strength. The start was when he was the underdog, and yet he was elected. The impeachment will never go through. Trump has strength in the Senate.


If you think that, you don't know much about the Bible.



The only reason homosexuality is tolerated is, Jesus took the punishment for all sin. Why did He do this? So that all people could be given a chance to be saved.

God does not want sin to exist. He will destroy the universe just to get rid of sin. His whole idea in allowing the universe to remain is so that people have a chance to be saved. But there will be an end. God is not allowing the universe to remain just to allow sin to remain. He's allowing it to save as many people as are willing to be saved.

Eh. You missed the point.  Or the joke. 

I don't care who sticks what where or licks what.  Have fun. Enjoy.

But if everyone were homosexual, never interacting with the opposite sex, ....... mass extinction

there is proof that 'lord of the rings' was written. backed up by movies and the amount of people that read the first edition. over the next 2000 years there can be a trail that links back to the first edition.
this does not mean the lord of the rings was a documentary

take things like adam and even. who bore witness to adam an eve.
who was the cameraman or the writer, who was the narator
they were alone after all. maybe it was a banana they ate. and then when later finding their cousins. they told their cousins to not eat the apple and so the cousins ate banana's instead. falling into adam and eves trick

who was also there to prove what had actually happened. no one
it was just stories

infact nothing was written at the time estimated of the adam and eve story origins. it was just camp fire stories. said purely to motivate peoples imaginations to sway their moral compass in a certain direction

how do you scare someone into doing something. give them an enemy they cant see or touch and then appeal to someones morals to not do something to avoid harm because there was no way to defend yourself if harm was done

take later stories where its said moses walked up a mountain alone and spoke to a burning bush.
who witnessed it?
did he really talk t a burning bush. or was he just up such a high altitude that the lack of oxygen was affecting his mind and the only companion he had was a fire he lit himself and was trying to talk to himself to distract himself from the cold and insanity
or did he just walk up a mountain to chissel his own rules into stones and pretend its not his rules but rules coming from a more elitist entity that cannot be questioned, seen or heard. that way he cant be thought of as a dictator but as just a messenger and the dictator is someone/thing else

imagine it happening now. if trump went on vacation and said he came out of the mountains and is now a prophet and here are new rules to follow. do you think the senate and citizens would just follow. or vote that he needs a psych exam

most scripture was wrote by particular people with particular aspirations of their own. its far easier to presume they wrote stuff to benefit themselves rather than write a factual documentary

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any way
homosexuality existed pre christ stories and it was tolerated.
it wasnt until there were people getting disease and suffering that something needed to be done.
so medicine could not cure it or manage it so the only option was to abolish the risky activity that lead to HIV spreading

well now HIV spreading is not some epidemic of apocolyptical distinction level risk. its now manageable preventable without having to outlaw all activity. so it has become tolerable again.
and religion has changed to tolerate it

Well, yes and no. Consider recorded court case from, say, 1800 to 1810. Are they the truth or not? Is what is written in those court cases true, or is it false? Did it happen, or didn't it? Was there proof or wasn't there?

Nobody is alive from back then. All that we have is a system of credibility. Certainly we are a bit more advanced in forensics, but they had real proof in many cases way back then. The funny thing about it is, we have to trust almost 100 percent of those case writings, because there is no way to go back and apply better forensics.

You could say, "Naw. Those cases never happened. Somebody just wrote down a bunch of fiction stories."

The answer is that we have a flow that goes back several decades, where we have living judges, juries, prosecutors and defendants, who are still alive, who can attest to the fact that several recent decades of court cases really happened. We have proof available that we can examine today, and we have the witnesses who will attest to the fact that those cases are real, if necessary.

There is no reason to doubt that the flow of archives all over the country are lies about what happened back in 1800 to 1810. Rather, the flow indicates that those things were factual, and some of the facts adjudicated in those cases are visible today.



So, what about the Bible record? Is it true, or is it fiction? Well, we have several things to consider to determine if the Bible is true.

There is the nation of Israel. Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans in 70 A.D. For the following almost 1800 years, the descendants of Israel remained a solid group, even though they didn't have a nation. Then around 1948 or 1949, they became a nation again. Since they were so strong within their group, that they could become a nation again, their national solidity is something that is firmly ingrained. What other nation has done this, or has it been done for?

This point is that there is an almost magical, and truly powerful, something to do with the nation of Israel.


The are the Dead Sea Scrolls. Most of the Dead Sea Scrolls were written before Christ... before the year zero. They had no printing presses, computers, memory tapes, etc., back then, up until just before the time of Martin Luther. Everything had to be copied by hand. But even after the printing press, much of the Bible was still copied by hand.

Some of the Dead Sea Scrolls go back to 400 B.C. This makes them to have been written some 1900 years before they were printed with the first printing press. Up until the printing press (and after, actually) these hand copies show that they were done so meticulously that 400 B.C. to the present are almost exactly the same... barring minor changes in the style of the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek lettering.

This point is that we have proof that over 1900 years the Bible didn't change. When you add to this point the previous point of the solidity of Israel, there is no reason to doubt that the books of the Bible exist almost exactly as they were at the time each of them was written. So, we have reliable witness records in the Bible.


Next is the reason why there is such strength and solidity in the ancient copies of the Bible writing. The answer is in the Bible record of Moses. Besides the fact that God gave Israel the power to maintain the Bible, there was power in Moses. Moses did miracles. Moses talked to God face to face. The record of it is in the Bible. If it were lies, it would not have been recorded by the people of Israel, because without Moses, the Bible wouldn't have been written.

This point is that Moses was a powerful guy... so powerful that the people of Israel obeyed him, and what is written in the Bible is truth. But the Moses power doesn't stop here.


Moses was a prince of Egypt. He had access to the records that were housed in the archives of Egypt over 3500 years ago... records long gone, today. He had the clear records of the people from the time of the beginning. God showed him which of these to include in the writings which are the first 5 books of our current Bible.

This point is that Moses placed the basic history of the earth into the books of the Bible that he wrote. The previous points show why it is the truth.


Look at all the ancient copies and fragments of copies of the Bible that exist... thousands. Then compare this with the number of ancient copies of Aristotle's or Socrates' or Plato's writings, etc. If there wasn't power in the Bible, there would be far fewer ancient copies... more in the range of the few number of copies of other ancient religions.

This point shows that there is power in the Bible. And you can see it further when you come to realize that the laws of the USA are built on the format of freedom, especially of religion, that abounded in the States when the nation was set up. The "structure" of the formation of The United States of America was based on the Bible, and essentially screams Christianity even though it doesn't always say it literally. Go look at the Christian monuments around Washington D.C.


I could go farther, but this is enough. If you are serious about the strength of the Bible and Christianity, look deeply into these things.

God is real, and He is testifying about Himself in the Bible.

BTW, the Septuagint and Josephus both claim that the earth is about 7500 years old, since God created it.

If the court records from 1800 to 1810 are true, so is the Bible.

even a lesbian can breed. she doesnt need to love, desire men to get pregnant

nature itself proves many times that reproduction does not require love, attraction and desire

even human nature shows it
women forced into arranged marriages, men who rape/one night stand with women
women gold diggers who just get pregnant for the child support cheques

If it weren't for heterosexuals, homosexuals would not exist.  Inability to breed would cause extinction.

the bible does not prove anything about god, adam or eve.

there was no one to write a documentary account in the early stages of evolution
the bible is only a couple millenia old and is just a book of campfire stories told to sway people into how to act and not act

however before the bible there there were life and laws. and other books and other religions.

its like someone writing lord of the rings today. writing a story that people should not give into the temptation of power of a ring
in 2000 years people might end up thinking the lord of the rings was a 2000yo documentary and start using it as their moral compass, or abuse it to have an opinion to repress others

law and religion are the same thing. words wrote and used to make people change their ways as a large majority believe its the accepted way to live

however things change. new ways to cope in new situations happen. the ability to live without spreading disease gets better meaning the laws and religions repressing spreading of disease become worthless

religions become tolerant and laws get ammended

Sin is unnatural. When Satan deceived the woman, and she and the man ate the forbidden fruit, sin entered the world.

Bible tells us that homosexuality is against God, and against what is right. Homosexuality is sin.

Jesus came and lived a righteous life. Then He took the punishment for all sin when He died on the cross. Then he arose from death to prove His strength to overcome death.

God will destroy the world (and the universe) because of the sin therein, so that sin is destroyed. Anybody who wants to continue to sin homosexually (or other ways) is proving that he wants to go with the destruction of the world that is coming.

Jesus offers a way out. Believing it, and proving such faith by actions (turning away from homosexuality and other sins), is the way people access eternal life, and future perfection in the new universe that is coming.

Everyone makes mistakes. Nature shows it by homosexuality and other evils (like animals that kill people and each other). Even saved people sin because of weakness. It's the faith in Jesus-salvation that saves, and the faith is backed up by the faithful people attempting to stop sinning, even though they fail miserably at times.

We can judge the faith of others. But we will often be wrong in our judgment. The important part is that we judge ourselves - believe in Jesus and His salvation, and then prove our faith to ourselves by our righteousness.

trust me, there are a lot of homosexual people who have biological children. and them not deserving to have an offspring is just a bunch of BS.

yet, there are more homosexual people now and still growing.

Homosexuality existed in ancient Greece and Rome. Most of us know of Sappho of Lesbos.
That said, terms like gender neutrality and people who consider themselves "non binary" or whatever else, are mentally ill. I understand sexual attraction between people of the same gender, but I won't and will never understand a man saying that he's not sure what he is and that he's planning to switch between genders in future to check which one fits him best. When you're mentally unstable you shouldn't try to project your lunacies on others and demand them to be respected. I have no respect for pedophiles and I will have no respect for other degenerates like grown men identifying as teenage girls, or whatever.

I'm not against homosexuality as the people who involves in homosexuality does not breed. It's a natural selection in modern world. They really don't deserve to breed offsprings.

Homosexuality is just the result of hormone syndrome.

yep ancient times allowed homosexuality. then christians (middle east... you know bethlehem, jeruselam and isreal) then decided the HIV epidemic was killing alot an back then they didnt have the medical tech to handle it so just wanted to abolish it.

these days with condoms and other precautions and also modern medical treatments, it has not become the epidemic of ancient times nor the american epidemic of the 1970-80's

so Christianity has began to tolerate it again since the millenium.

LOL, you really made a thread about this 5 days before Christmas. You're just asking to be harassed by Christians.

My view about this, can't really blame America about it. IIRC it was decriminalized in Europe around Napoleonic times and there were periods were it was tolerated there like in Classical Greece. The Chinese also didn't seem to have made a fuss about it for a long time as long as the person fulfill his duty to society (sire offspring, filial piety, etc.). Same with the Japanese "warrior love" tradition. America is practically a newcomer to gayness.

As for the argument about Nature, different species, different strategies. You mentioned bees but then the females aside from the queen are practically slaves, they're not meant to reproduce anyway. Imagine human society running like that. In the end Nature don't care about the individual.

nature involves everything in nature,

there are also mamals than run states, naked mole rats create feminist states https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_mole-rat

and if you look back into pre christian history, you will find even more, gay romans, indians, chinese, africans, and also matriachic ruled india.

human body cells also create a state the cells are gender neutral.

regards

Sorry, you really can't apply human or even mammalian concepts of sexuality to insects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhGQUKoH_TE&t=1s

some american evangelics and other anti homosexuality people claim it is unnatural,

homosexuality can be a threat to the sustainability and the regenerativity of a society as it reduces the amount of reproductive individual, neverthlesse it can doesnt mean it does.

homosexualts can on the other hand support the raisement of the offspring of others into adult age.

meaning if all would be heterosexual and 1 quarter of children dies before age 5, it would be ok that 1 quarter would be homosexual and support the survivability of the offspring

next to homosexuality there is also gender neutrality.


but most importantly nature has clear homosexual features,

bee and ant states are almost 100% lesbian(feminist homosexuality).

termite states are almost 100% gender neutral.

so american evangelics, if you don't understand nature. or feel threatened by homosexuals, dont talk trash about nature.

comming from someone who was also once homophobic, but out of scientific truth is completely aware that it is kind of natural.

regards