Topic: How a Global Epidemic is helping counties see the bigger picture (Read 403 times)

Are they really seeing any bigger picture with this current situation? With I what believe regardless of who helps the other country, they're all in for profit at the end. Yes, the current epidemic is causing global panicking but still once a cure is found the collaborated nations will be in for making profits from it. Does this affect any impact ne it positive or negative in the crypto sector? Yes it does because blockchain global conference that are meant to take places in Asia currently are being postponed which shows how bad the epidemic is.

Nope, I don't even think global peace is something we can translate into reality. What China is going through right now has something to do with the world economy, with how the citizens of different country are trapped within the locked-down China, with how other countries are working very hard to make sure the virus will not reach their country nor infect any of its citizens, and so forth. I would even think that without stake at the spread of the virus and the death of its victims, other countries would simply avoid China and move on with their lives after making donations, which is mostly an act of obligation by default and maintaining a good international image, without necessarily sympathizing with the victim country.

I guess you can talk about bad things and find the good things in it as well. Think of one of the worst things that has happened in the 20th century, holocaust (maybe something worse happened but I can't think of anything worse) and even in that, there was Volkswagen who created very cheap cars with Nazi order and managed to spend insane amount of free labor and free inventors etc etc to actually help the world out in the long run, same with Bayer company, they literally murdered and tortured many people but in the end they invented many great drugs to help the world out, look at Giza pyramid, thousands of slaves died but now we have one of the best pyramids.

Many amazing achievements in life was done by throwing human misery into it like Louis Ck has said.

This thing should be normal, a country needs help so another countries help. We don't know when will our country experience bad things but as long as we don't we should help others that needed help because it is like investing, the country you helped will highly likely to help you as well when you need help and that event can also help in establishing good relation to that country that can boost multiple economy of countries when things are stable.

I smile "the good thing the virus is doing"?
Of course it is good when people come together to show love and concern for each other, China has been of great value to the world economy and beyond,they really need help at this moment as they could not just help themselves alone. Presently, they won't be concerned about their economy but the lives of the infected. And It will definitely reflect in the world economy.

Personally, I think that in any way. This will not affect the situation with bitcoin.
Mining farms continue to work, people still have access to their computers and the Internet, which allows them to conduct operations and transactions in cryptocurrency.
The only thing that can happen is a deficit due to which people will withdraw part of their cryptocurrency funds and assets for the purchase of some vital things, but I doubt it will come to this.

Sounds and looks great every time countries help one another in times of catastrophe isn't it? It also melts my heart to see the unitu and love we show to one another however it's also sad at the same time because it seems that we wait for such events first before doing such act of kindness. It's like "You're okay, I'm okay, so f*ck off" but when one is hurt the other say "Let me help you". Love and care should not only give when someone need it, it should be given to anyone, anytime and anywhere . If our world will run like this then for sure each one of us will have a joyful life.

Global peace at a time when all countries are arming themselves to the teeth? The virus, as much as they tried to portray him as the ultimate killer, is actually much more harmless than the usual flu. If we look at the real facts then we come to the following information :

To date, total deaths from COVID-19 -> 1527 - https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/
From the effects of the flu in season 2017/2018 only in the USA 61 000 deaths, this year so far around 12 000 - https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year

There is no unification here, the thing is, as always, just in the profits that go down because of the virus. Does anyone think that a country that has 1.4 billion people really loses something if even a million people die? If they had listened to the doctor who discovered the virus, things might have looked a lot better today - but they crucified it instead of decorations.

The world today really faces a very global threat, when without special containment the virus will spread throughout the world and lead to the mass extinction of mankind.  Proceeding from this government, they are trying by all means to counter this threat and are helping the Chinese government as much as they can.  In addition, I would not speak negatively about the Chinese policy of the state, since the government was able to develop the country's economy several times stronger than many other countries.  In addition, if we talk about the cryptocurrency market, but let's not forget that almost 70% of Bitcoin miners are in China.

No. We're not even closer to world peace. And a virus doesn't have a good thing that brought us. Because I believe helping other countries were already part of being a part of United Nations. Countries need to be friend with other for alliance and in order to do that, they need to help each other. And I think that's normal for a country to help other country in need. But that's not even a big move for global peace. And I doubt that we can achieve global peace where every country is united.

And you know why other countries are helping China, it's because it's not the government they are fighting, it's the virus.

I don't think so. It's all temporary until the virus becomes worse than expected. If it all becomes stable, it would pretty much get back to normal. These donation acts are also just a normal way of countries helping each other but once this was sorted out, political agendas are set once again because of the people in power among these countries, especially the superpower ones.

In-state relations or relations relating to state entities I agree with the opinion that "there are no eternal friends and opponents, only eternal interests"

Amid the uncertainty of the coronavirus pandemic, each country certainly has its own views on national stability. For the country, there is nothing that is important other than the sovereignty and safety of its citizens. Whether the cover in the form of humanitarian action or extreme responses such as the suspension of flights to China must be based on the national interests of a country.

With the coronavirus. Many countries should realize that technological progress is not only having a positive impact but also having a negative effect. Ease of transportation and supported by the ease of online applications, making the spread of the epidemic faster. The big picture that we can learn is that not everything is in human control. At present we are fixated on technological progress. We forget to prepare the system or do a simulation if there is a force major and we cannot rely on technology.

Early character education is needed. Because that character will influence decision making and how they react to an event. This happened in my country, the demand for masks to go to China, Hong Kong, Singapore, and Malaysia was very high. The price of the mask which was originally only USD 2 / box is now USD 25 / box and prices go up every day. What I wonder about is the mask for humanity why there are people who hoard goods and raise prices beyond normal limits.

So not all countries are good at responding to corona outbreaks. Some even opportunists take advantage of the suffering of others. If character education is good opportunistic actions based on greed, it will never be a choice.

There is need for such help because things as disease and virus have a way if spreading fasters than a missile in a war fare. missile can only kill people in targeted area and mist times, people in war fare zone or less secured area which is usually inhabited by less privileged. But disease is not likely to be "respecter" of area or boundary or physical barricade and so, anybody can be affected.

Honestly I do not think that "tracking" is as big of a deal as you might imagine it is. Normally it could be to prevent bad people to do something easily. Just to give an example in my country you buy airplane/train/bus/ship whatever tickets with your ID, what is the reason for this?

It is to prevent bad people to do any of this without showing ID, sure they can make a fake one and do whatever but in the end it is making their life a bit harder by giving other people harder time as well.

Or for example, when you go to doctors or you buy a drug because of it, you have to show ID and it all goes to government, but that is because we have a single payer system which means government has to make sure we don't steal those drugs and constantly get new drugs all the time, otherwise people would have abused it. So, it is not about "tracking" but more about what they do with all that information instead.

Rich should try to help the poor? I some cases but most of the time there would always be that inequality in terms to that.
As you said this isnt something new that we do saw that people or other country do tries to help to those country which are on need.
Also when it comes on widespread disease which is somewhat alarming and really very hard to ignore.
Theres still chance or hope for humanity in terms of unity.

Global problems are uniting humanity and this is great

Lol, this is not the first time that are countries are helping each others. When such things as similar to this happens they always help out each other. So it is normal, all this while, why didn’t they all contribute to help countries with bad economy? All of them works towards their own needs of being a better and stronger country and being above others. So, the competition wouldn’t stop.

But, when there is an epidemic as bad as this, they will always be some countries coming together to help. I wish it was as you have imagined; if countries around the world would come together and work with each other and promote peace and unity, and try their best in making the world a better place for each other, and not just the government, including the people themselves. The rich should try to help the poor.

There’s no doubt that many countries are supporting China because of this disaster, but once the virus settles down they’ll seek answers from China and will even corner them globally as many countries are suffering trade losses due to coronavirus. Further there won’t be any war but there won’t be any peace either, and it’s only a matter of time before Trump tears in to China for the mess that they have created.

Not really, and remember every country has interests, goals and future endeavors through these supports, we are really know that Corona virus is really dangerous for all the humans not just chinese and it is certain  China is the biggest affected because of this virus  and now its economy is in decline or dip, but I guess that China will overcome this crisis in the near future ( possibly within 2 months ) , This is a humanitarian crisis so of course many countries will show the  solidarity with China but as I have said there is always a future endeavors for each action.

That is quite true. Always when something terrible happens suddenly everyone remember they are humans and get the sense of solidarity and need for helping each other. But not because of other.people but themself.
As soon as they will feel the danger is over everything will go back to old track until once something so big and terrible happens that will destroy the whole human race. Once the threath from virus is gone money and profit will again become the most important things.

sorry to say this but it looks like your happy with what the virus had bought  .they are uniting and helping the affected country but this is only for this moment  .

 by the time that the problem is sort , these countries will becom selfish again and start whatever wars they have postponed or planning  . that is the sad truth  , why can they just retain this mentality  forever and not only if there are major problems  . the world can be a better place  then if that happens  .

Everybody is helping but in the same time they hold the virus at a safe distance. Usually nations change their behaviour when facing a serious threat, like this virus.

While this new virus needs to be monitored it does not seem to have the potential to change things in China, however if the virus is more deadly than what we think this will not be the first time that a disease changed the way a society worked.

The black death changed Europe forever and many attribute the black death with the raise of wages in that age because of the lack of skilled labour available, if this virus becomes a plague it will definitely change China forever and the government will crumble but that is a horrible scenario to think about.

The bigger picture is, if they don't help, they can become the next victims. The bigger picture is, they help because they can also be affected. See, let's just say potentially, the virus is restricted to only Chinese people. Would you think that other countries would willingly help? Sure, some researchers would, since it's they're passion and all, but other countries and their government probably would not extend their hands by too much. Why? Because, they wouldn't be affected. Whether they help or not, no big effect could come from doing either, and by process of determining which is much more efficient, not helping would be one now won't it?

There's also the idea of social relations of China with other countries, with the audacity of some of their citizens to act like they own foreign countries. Like it's their own backyard or something. With that kind of attitude, most people would be unwilling to help imo.

Global peace as people would want it might be a mirage. In social science, the human relationship is prone to lead to some conflict from time to time, as far as there is interactions and competition.
Anyway, for issues of health, it is nice to see world leaders and countries being involved and supportive to safe human lifes. This have been the practice for long time when human society is rampaged by virus or disease, Ebola took was another in the recent past.

I doubt that we in our age could ever see something crazy to change or even maybe ever in history of mankind, but I really wish the general governmental system would change one day. I am talking about a whole world country with just speakers of "nations" or maybe people in different places picking representatives.

I do not mean like a general one nation rule, but I mean something like European union of which all of them have some sort of president of their own, yet they are acting like a one nation against others, we could have a European union system for all of the world where people everywhere could go anywhere and business everywhere could work with anywhere etc etc where it would be better for both economy and the people. It would also incentives other places to help lesser poor places as well.

Global peace?
Have you seen the few videos and news that leak outside the great chinse censorship wall?

People are barricading their communities and beating up strangers that dare to enter, a guy that had a car with numbers from the Hubei province was hunted down by the whole town and almost lynched by the people in a town 400 miles away.

A crisis doesn't bring people together, just politicians exchanging handshakes and fighting for more votes, in reality, everything that is ugly in humans comes to the surface amplified by fear.  That's why you get the lootings, the arsons, the thefts during these times, that's why people get even more separated and communities are more isolated and fearful of strangers. Just think about it, when are you more friendly with your neighbors when you've just hit the jackpot and you're healthy or when you suffer from a cold and just lost your job?

In my town, I think we have less than 0.1% asians and they are not even chinese, most are from Philipines and Vietnam but you would have to see the look on people's faces when they see one of them in a hyper store. Global peace my ..!

No. It's more like the world found a common enemy, and so, temporarily made an alliance to counter that enemy. It's the usual plot where as long as a danger of sorts that a single country could not tackle alone, other countries would come and help to the rescue because they know. They know that if they didn't help, they might be next. Once the danger is gone, they'd probably be at each other next afterward. You should also note that a lot of people in the world are selfish. The Chinese community would probably be hit by a lot, and by a lot, I mean a LOT, of criticism, judgment and the like from other countries, especially those people whose families have been affected by the nCov virus.

Countries are bound to stand together in the face of adversities and this happening does not erase the fact that they are still having some form of antagonistic moves against each other. Just like human beings, except you are at war with someone, you will only want to see him dead when you know that it would give you an opportunity to win but not when you have disagreements. At the same time, most of these countries are not extending the helping hand to China because they love them, but doing it to protect themselves from being caught in the cross fire or risk being infected by the same should they not contribute to its defeat.

Depends on how sustainable the global peace will be in the world and its current order. Global peace is unlikely in a world that doesn't really know its real CREATOR nor submit to HIS true rules & teachings. I think there should be boundaries in a lawless and confused world else "bad things" will spread quickly and we end up destroying the world/ourselves.

In fact, in the context of the spread of coronavirus, help can even be detrimental. In China, there are enough doctors, medicines, and hospitals (if not, they can build it in 10 days). But airplanes that deliver cargo from other countries can, on the contrary, play the role of a virus carrier when flying from China.

I think some people may call me crazy here but how did this corona virus came? I don't believe in their stories. What about if this virus was created manually and they have already antidote for it in order to gain control on the situation and don't end up fatal? What about if they were discussion around it for dozen times and now decided that they have everything under control and it's time to create money?
Of course other countries will to get rid of additional troubles and may turn into this war against virus but after all a lot of money is earned, this is legitimate money laundering.
I appreciate everyone's opinion but personally I think this way.

For the outsiders, it looks really funny because you didn't go through the hardship that all these people are facing. What I know is only one person from a family is allowed to go out to buy daily needs for a couple of hours in a day or two. Rest all the time people need to stay at home with fear. You only worried about countries' images but forgotten people's life.

The number of people infected from SARS was quite less but now it is many folds higher. Currently, around 44K and even with your 3%, the total number of people dead is more than SARS already.

It is really funny looking and observing how countries power-trip each other. It is really stupid to see people being fooled with the political strategy the oligarchs are doing.

Novel Coronavirus (NCov) doesn't really have a motality rate than SARS. The chance of survival really is big. The survival rate was actually 97% in the accurate news. 3% of the diagnosed was dead but that is a really small percentage. I find it really bad for people since they panicked in this virus. The Chinese government did its part with this, as well. It's just that the people are spreading fake news to ruin the image of China. IMO

Firstly, who told you that coronovirus had a bigger mortality rate than SARS? That just misinformation.

Secondly, I think it's too quick to judge based off what the media tells us. Just because there seems to be co-operation between China and the US and other countries doesn't mean that internally, these countries may actually be in conflict.

Look beneath the surface of what you're told.

If the authoritarian government of China is unable to control this epidemic, then they're going to crumble. The only reason that their in power as of right now is because of the massive control of the government in everyones everyday life. The podcast I was listening to (The Journal) goes into this, talking about how the Chinese government spys on their own people every single day.

If you go to buy a train ticket -- you need to show ID.
If you go to the pharmacy -- you need to show ID
If you go to the airport -- you need to show ID.
and so on and so forth.

Everytime you show ID, all of this is noted down and reported back to the Chinese government so they're able to track every single location that people are to. Plus, they're using facial recognition camera to close the gaps between places that you dont need to show ID to go to. The Chinese government knows every single thing about every single person, they're monitored all the time. The difference about this happening in America and China is that the Chinese don't see it as as much of an issue as the Americans do. The Chinese people believe that's pretty much part of their life (I suppose you could argue that some Americans think this as well) and that they're protecting one another by being watched all the time.

China is using this as a tool to track down who has the coronavirus, who may have it, and so on and so forth. It's helping them so far and public support is going to stay high for doing this. But if tons and tons of people begin to die, and the massive government of China is unable to do anything to help them -- it's going to undermine their rule massively.

Countries can be helping to deal with the outbreak for entirely selfish reasons - it's not in their interest to see the virus spread further, they are not immune from it, so if left unchecked, the disease would eventually come to them. Plus its a relatively low cost for someone like the US to send aid to other countries, so why not do this?

The history knows other example of different countries uniting for a common cause, like how countries fought together in the world wars, but it's all fleeting, later they turn on each other very quickly. No one will learn any eye-opening lesson from this outbreak, countries will return to screwing each other as soon as the virus is dealt with.

Global peace is what we do hope for and to think that not all countries are enemies to each other and in times like this where epidemic do rise its just normal
for them to helping hands.What for? of course it will have some several purpose, showing humanitarian concern and also these countries do foresee that they should
make action or do help so that it wont spread furthermore because if it does then they would think up about its global effect.Theres no time to be selfish on anyways
because it would just cost lives even more.

If this happens on a country where thise developed nations have no profits then they might get less support than this one so it all happening or future benefits from China politically,IMHO.

And also they don't want to have that virus on their country so others were helping to cure this disease just to save their country.

If this thing spreads and mutates to really become deadly, there's going to be a worldwide panic, not peace. Now it's still not very deadly with less than 1000 people dead worldwide. A similar number of people die every year from simple flu and much more commit suicide every year and nobody cares but when a virus kills them it's suddenly a big deal.

I saw Chinese news saying that when the news hit people were storming pharmacies everywhere buying face masks and supplies. Pharmaceutical companies must be making millions on this virus.

Nah man, this is the first step of China's instability. The ~$200B they've injected is going to affect them on the long term. Other countries are coming in to help, but you've got to remember the relationship between China and some of these countries helping them out was crap most of the time.

The fake news countries have been spreading internationally about the way the situation is handled in China permanently damaged their image in front of many. China was becoming too powerful. It needed a slowdown.

You know Corona Virus is something that is showing motality rate even more than the SARS. 
But in between all this economic, social , political crisis one can notice how it's integrating Nations together.
US is pledging to donate millions to fight this and more than 21 countries are sending medical supplies to China.
Even Indian President came out to Help China and they even are talking about rescuing the Pakistani Students from Wuhan .
This is really great , yes I know it sounds lame but countries are discarding their boundaries and working together , this is the system of government we should have .
This is precisely how the economic stability will be achieved.
I think this is the only good thing the Virus is doing.
What do you guys think ? Is this something that might show us the path of global Peace ? .