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Topic: How can BTC be "mined" if total # is rigidly set to 21M? (Read 173 times)

legendary
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Are there 21M in "circulation" now?

No.  Only about 16.5M are "in circulation" so far.

Or are there now less than 21M, and 21M is just the max # after all "mining" is done?

Correct.

Since the amount of new bitcoins created with each new block is reduced by half every 210,000 blocks (approximately every 4 years), it will take more than 100 years until all the remaining bitcoin value is "in circulation".

What then?

"Mining" is a misleading word.  People use that word because the majority of the revenue that is earned from the process right now is from new bitcoins entering circulation.  A better description would be "transaction processing".

Right now, the builder of the block receives a block subsidy PLUS the sum of all the transaction fees of all the transactions in the block.  Since the 12.5 BTC subsidy makes up most of the revenue, people often don't remember that there is also transaction fee revenue.

Every 4 years or so, that subsidy is cut in half.  Meanwhile as Bitcoin gains popularity, the value of the transaction fees increases. Eventually the person creating the block will get more revenue from the transaction fees than the block subsidy.  At that point perhaps people will start calling it what it actually is: "transaction processing" instead of calling it "mining".

Also, who sets the price of BTC?

You do.  Or rather, everyone does.

Each user decides for themselves what price they would be willing to buy bitcoins at, and what proce they would be willing to sell bitcoins at.  Every time two people agree to exchange some amount of bitcoins for some amount of other currency, that is "the price" at that moment in time.

I realize that, fundamentally, it's the market,

Exactly.

but who actually sets the market price?

The participants in the market do.


Is this automated?

Some market participants may have automated processes for determining when to buy or when to sell.  Others may make their decisions manually.

Here's an example to help you understand:

The "price" of a bitcoin is exactly what someone somewhere is willing to pay for it, and someone else is willing to sell it for.

Exchanges provide a place for people who want to buy bitcoins and people who want to sell bitcoins to find each other.

Example:

Albert has 100 BTC.  He needs to pay his electric bill and the electric company doesn't accept bitcoin as payment.  He decides to convert some of his bitcoin to USD.  Albert logs on to an exchange and creates a limit order offering to sell 10 of his bitcoin for $33.45 each.  He is not willing to sell the bitcoin for less than $33.45 because at any price less than that he'd rather just hold on to the bitcoin and pay his electric bill with other funds.

Bobby only has a two bitcoin that he purchased at $32.50 each.  He decides that he doesn't really want bitcoin anymore, but he doesn't want to take loss.  He logs on to the exchange and creates a limit order offering to sell his two bitcoin for $32.55 each.

Carl has just received his paycheck.  After paying his expenses he has $200 left over.  He decides to purchase bitcoin with this money.  He feels like the exchange rate might drop a bit and so to get them as cheap as possible, he transfers his money to the exchange and creates a limit order to purchase 6.25 BTC at $32 each.

David just received an inheritance of $10,000. He decides he'd like to hold the entire balance as bitcoin.  He has seen the exchange rate varying between $31.50 and $33.50 lately, and hopes he can get the entire balance at $31.50.  He creates a limit order at the exchange for 317.460317 BTC at $31.50 each.

Earl is in a hurry.  He just wants to buy something from Overstock.com right now, and he'll take whatever the current exchange rate is.  He needs $60 worth of bitcoin.  He transfers his $60 to the exchange and places a market order for $60 worth of bitcoin.  The exchange sees that the cheapest offer to sell bitcoin at their site at the moment is Bobby's offer of 2 bitcoin at $32.55 each.  The exchange transfers the $60 from Earl to Bobby and at the same time transfers 1.84331797 bitcoin from Bobby to Earl.

At this hypothetical moment the current bitcoin price is therefore $32.55, since that is the most recent exchange that has occurred.
Earl now has 1.84331797 BTC
Bobby now has $60 and 0.15668203 BTC still available to purchase at an exchange rate of $32.55 per bitcoin.

Now Albert suddenly realizes that he doesn't have enough other funds for his bill.  He needs $334.50 right away to pay the bill, and needs to sell the bitcoin quickly to get the necessary money.  Albert cancels his limit order and places a market order to sell $334.50 worth of bitcoin.  The exchange sees that the most expensive offer to buy bitcoin at their site at the moment is Carl's offer of 6.25 bitcoin at $32 each.  The exchange transfers $200 from Carl to Albert, and 6.25 bitcoin from Albert to Carl.  Since Albert still needs another $134.50 worth of bitcoin to fulfill his order, the exchange sees that the next highest offer is David's offer of 317.460317 BTC at $31.50 each.  The exchange transfers 4.26984127 BTC from Albert to David, and $134.50 from David to Albert.

At this hypothetical moment the current bitcoin price is therefore $31.50, since that is the most recent exchange that has occurred.
Albert now has the $334.50 that he needs, and still has 89.4801587 BTC remaining.
Carl has picked up the 6.25 bitcoin that he wanted, spending the $200 that he wanted to spend.
David has purchased 4.26984127 for $134.50, and still has a limit order out there waiting to be filled for another 313.190467 bitcoin at $31.50 each.

You'll notice that there are actually many "prices" for bitcoin.  There is the price that each individual is willing to buy or sell their bitcoin for.  Some of the more often quoted prices are the "current Ask", "current Bid" and "most recent exchange".

Prior to Earl coming along, the "Current Ask" was Bobby's $32.55 that he is asking to sell his bitcoin (the lowest price anyone is willing to sell for at that time).
The "Current Bid" was Carl's $32 bid to purchase bitcoin from anyone willing to sell that cheap (the highest anyone is willing to pay to buy at that time).

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HodL!

Are there 21M in "circulation" now? Or are there now less than 21M, and 21M is just the max # after all "mining" is done?

What then?

Also, who sets the price of BTC? I realize that, fundamentally, it's the market, but who actually sets the market price? Is this automated?

Thanks very much for any response.

(Feel free to point me somewhere via a link.)

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You may want to post in the Beginners section of this forum. Then you may want to study on the blockchain technology and Proof of Work.

POW mining completes the SHA-256 algorithm to complete a block which contains data. The miners collect the transaction fees and a newly created BTC for their efforts.

When 21M BTC is reached, the miners will be receiving the transaction fees, so that will be their incentive to continue mining. (Although less profitable than current mining conditions with the creation/inflation of BTC)

Price is 'similar' to an asset that is trading on an exchange like the stock market. There is buying and selling pressure which influences the price either up or down.
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There are about 16.8 million that have been mined already, so there are still 4.2 million left to be mined.

Once they are all mined then miners will be still be able to profit because they collect the transaction fee, which can be quite lucrative, as well.

The price of bitcoin is set by the open market.  It is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it.  It’s a bid/ask system, where you post your buying or selling price to the exchange, and see if someone is willing to meet you there.
newbie
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Are there 21M in "circulation" now? Or are there now less than 21M, and 21M is just the max # after all "mining" is done?

What then?

Also, who sets the price of BTC? I realize that, fundamentally, it's the market, but who actually sets the market price? Is this automated?

Thanks very much for any response.

(Feel free to point me somewhere via a link.)

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