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Topic: How can I get an early notice if Mtgox goes bankruptcy? (Read 3486 times)

legendary
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Why would someone deposit to exchange when he could use 3-key escrow for the same money is beyond me...  Huh

They trusted gox, it is convenient and somewhat easier than escrow when it was fulfilling people's withdrawing requests

A lot of people were trading on gox as well

But you are right, escrow was safer
mda
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Why would someone deposit to exchange when he could use 3-key escrow for the same money is beyond me...  Huh
hero member
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The worry of bankruptcy is one of the main reasons for the massive sell offs on Gox, otherwise people would be hanging onto their BTC.   Trying to claim lost BTC in bankruptcy court is almost definitely a lost cause since most governments have not even classified BTC as a real currency. 

No, it is not. In a bankruptcy process all known belongings of a company are confiscated, it includes his fapuccino, his Magic The Gathering collection and all the BTC. Then it is used to pay everyone who claim in court to have a credit on a preference order ( taxes and employee credits are always first ).

Nobody here is familiar enough with the Japanese insolvency process to comment with any certainty on exactly how it would proceed.

The issue of whether Bitcoin claims can be treated differently from fiat claims arose in the Bitcoinica liquidation but to my knowledge hasn't been resolved as the liquidator hasn't been able to take possession of the Bitcoinica funds held on MtGox.

We honestly don't know what would be liquidated in a Japanese insolvency.  We don't know whether users would be regarded as unsecured creditors.  We don't know whether the domain names and trademark would be sold along with all the BTC.  We certainly don't know who might have claims superior to those of users.

Generally speaking unsecured creditors rarely benefit from bankruptcy proceedings.  The benefit of forcing the issue at this stage would be to stop MtGox owing even more people more money if it is indeed insolvent or forcing it to start paying what it owes if it's not.
sr. member
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The worry of bankruptcy is one of the main reasons for the massive sell offs on Gox, otherwise people would be hanging onto their BTC.   Trying to claim lost BTC in bankruptcy court is almost definitely a lost cause since most governments have not even classified BTC as a real currency. 

No, it is not. In a bankruptcy process all known belongings of a company are confiscated, it includes his fapuccino, his Magic The Gathering collection and all the BTC. Then it is used to pay everyone who claim in court to have a credit on a preference order ( taxes and employee credits are always first ).
sr. member
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Skoupi the Great
The continued uncertainty regarding MtGox is far worse for Bitcoin than Gox going under would be.

Don't worry that can't go forever...
hero member
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It will be a very bad day for BTC if Gox goes under. The negative publicity that it will draw from the MSM will surely discourage new investors and drive the BTC price down. Miner manufacturing companies could take a big hit through cancelled orders/refund requests. So all the members who seem to take a smug position at the thought of Gox going under may like to think how that event may indirectly effect them.
It aint gonna be pretty for anyone.

cheers,
kev

The continued uncertainty regarding MtGox is far worse for Bitcoin than Gox going under would be.
sr. member
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Skoupi the Great
There are a lot of people betting on mtgox bancruptcy right now...
Dunno what to think...
legendary
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This is the land of wolves now & you're not a wolf
The worry of bankruptcy is one of the main reasons for the massive sell offs on Gox, otherwise people would be hanging onto their BTC.   Trying to claim lost BTC in bankruptcy court is almost definitely a lost cause since most governments have not even classified BTC as a real currency. 
legendary
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If Karpeles continues to allow trading on the platform whilst knowing that the company is insolvent, does that not amount to fraud?
It will be a very bad day for BTC if Gox goes under. The negative publicity that it will draw from the MSM will surely discourage new investors and drive the BTC price down. Miner manufacturing companies could take a big hit through cancelled orders/refund requests. So all the members who seem to take a smug position at the thought of Gox going under may like to think how that event may indirectly effect them.
It aint gonna be pretty for anyone.

cheers,
kev

Agreed: not pretty and a bad day for bitcoin. Short term, only the speculators who get in at lower prices will benefit.
Sadly, the fact remains that Gox is a liability and so is Karpeles. In the long run, everyone in the bitcoin ecosystem is better off without them.
full member
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This is not good for my Chi... Yifu
If Karpeles continues to allow trading on the platform whilst knowing that the company is insolvent, does that not amount to fraud?
It will be a very bad day for BTC if Gox goes under. The negative publicity that it will draw from the MSM will surely discourage new investors and drive the BTC price down. Miner manufacturing companies could take a big hit through cancelled orders/refund requests. So all the members who seem to take a smug position at the thought of Gox going under may like to think how that event may indirectly effect them.
It aint gonna be pretty for anyone.

cheers,
kev
sr. member
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bankruptcy is a legal process that anyone who has a non paid credit with the company may start, it is not like mtgox will declare itself bankrupt
legendary
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I think they are still alive
because

I have send my verification documents to MTGOX in 24. January
To day it has just veriffied

We are pleased to inform you that the identification documentation you have submitted has been reviewed, and your account has been upgraded to "Verified" status.

Uh huh. Always open to deposits. Even when you are going down.

A bit like hotel california. you can stay but never leave!

Why on earth would a sensible, law-abiding, well-run organisation like Mt Gox allow cash deposits even when they aren't allowing bitcoin withdrawals?
eztezt: given the publicity, and general Goxishness of their Goxxing, doesn't this strike you as just a tiny bit suspicious?
legendary
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I think they are still alive
because

I have send my verification documents to MTGOX in 24. January
To day it has just veriffied

We are pleased to inform you that the identification documentation you have submitted has been reviewed, and your account has been upgraded to "Verified" status.

Uh huh. Always open to deposits. Even when you are going down.
legendary
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Subscribe to their twitter account:

https://twitter.com/mtgox

gox have deleted all their tweets



That's kinda the point  Roll Eyes
global moderator
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Subscribe to their twitter account:

https://twitter.com/mtgox

They've just deleted all their tweets. That's not a good sign. No idea why they did that though.

It was an issue with tweet ID maleability. Tweet withdrawals will be enabled soon.

Haha. "Soon". They seem to be doing everything they can to cause panic and confusion.
member
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I think they are still alive
because

I have send my verification documents to MTGOX in 24. January
To day it has just veriffied

We are pleased to inform you that the identification documentation you have submitted has been reviewed, and your account has been upgraded to "Verified" status.
legendary
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Subscribe to their twitter account:

https://twitter.com/mtgox

They've just deleted all their tweets. That's not a good sign. No idea why they did that though.

It was an issue with tweet ID maleability. Tweet withdrawals will be enabled soon.
global moderator
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Consider this your early notice - Mt. Gox is going to go bankrupt.

Haha. I don't see how it can sustain itself as a business for much longer.

Subscribe to their twitter account:

https://twitter.com/mtgox

They've just deleted all their tweets. That's not a good sign. No idea why they did that though.
member
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so everybody seems to think Mt.Gox is going bankrupt, but why would they go bankrupt exactly ? they dont make enough on commissions to pay for their office and staff ? people stole money from them ? why are they going bankrupt exactly ?

They're going bankrupt because thats how they would explain how they took all your coins.

Scam101
 

Mt. Gox is not sheeproad, every body knows who owns Gox, now they could take your coins and run, they could, but they will never get away with it, if they do that, don't think they that dumb.
legendary
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Subscribe to their twitter account:

https://twitter.com/mtgox
legendary
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he who has the gold makes the rules
i give you early notice now
legendary
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hero member
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so everybody seems to think Mt.Gox is going bankrupt, but why would they go bankrupt exactly ? they dont make enough on commissions to pay for their office and staff ? people stole money from them ? why are they going bankrupt exactly ?

They're going bankrupt because thats how they would explain how they took all your coins.

Scam101
 
member
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so everybody seems to think Mt.Gox is going bankrupt, but why would they go bankrupt exactly ? they dont make enough on commissions to pay for their office and staff ? people stole money from them ? why are they going bankrupt exactly ?
hero member
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All these Japanese sites just drove me crazy. Can anybody help please? This might be interesting to monitor. Wink

Everyone got their notices weeks ago. Its just someone who is dumb, like you that didnt understand
full member
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Seismologists have set up instrumentation for when Tux has a tantrum.  Grin

 Cheesy
legendary
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Consider this your early notice - Mt. Gox is going to go bankrupt.

+1

No need for notices in the papers.
sr. member
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Consider this your early notice - Mt. Gox is going to go bankrupt.
donator
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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
Seismologists have set up instrumentation for when Tux has a tantrum.  Grin
full member
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OP, why do you care about a bankruptcy notice? Creditors tend to lose all their money a long time before a company officially goes bankrupt.

In UK, insolvency events are posted to the London Gazette:

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/insolvency

I'm sure Japan has something similar.

But I question its usefulness in this instance.
sr. member
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getzy a jobcy thersi?
hero member
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If gox goes bankruptcy?
legendary
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This is the land of wolves now & you're not a wolf
All these Japanese sites just drove me crazy. Can anybody help please? This might be interesting to monitor. Wink

Getting an early bankruptcy notice isnt possible
newbie
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All these Japanese sites just drove me crazy. Can anybody help please? This might be interesting to monitor. Wink
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