Topic: How can the U.S. fix Detroit? (Read 3178 times)
Didn't think you could extend the deadline
Well looks like its still doomed though
We all know Detroit is the butt of all city jokes in the U.S. The place is in utter disrepair, the city is huge compared to the taxes it receives--so naturally bad things started to happen. Business and economic growth don't exactly thrive in a place declared by the FBI as the murder capital of the U.S. So in your opinion, what can fix Detroit? Other than Robocop of course.
Stop voting for the democrats.
Cuz everyone knows we're a few republicans away from Utopia?
I don't know about that. I know the democrats and the unions had a free ride for their ultimate Utopia for the past 50 years. It was called Detroit. We can all see the result. It is basic History 101.
I think trying to pin the failure of Detroit singularly on the Democrats is a case of over-simplification. There were far more factors that lead to the downfall of Detroit than the party in power, or the role of unions. (Two groups I am not fans of, btw... I'm not defending them.)
Clearly, correlation = causation. Disregard all the other factors, we've cracked the code! With almost a handful of data points, I don't know how someone hasn't awarded you a Nobel prize for economics yet.
Fix Detroit? Does it really needs to be fixed?
At this point, I'd have to say evacuate all the remaining citizens, scatter them around the country, send in robots to do the dirty and dangerous work of bringing all the infrastructure up to par and keeping out anyone who wants to go in and make trouble, create DetroitCoin to pay off the debt (LOL, right?), wait ten years until everybody kinda forgets what was so wrong with Detroit in the first place, and then sell off all the properties to the highest bidder and let Detroit start over.
Good idea. But, it would be easier simply to move to an area about 10 or 20 miles away, and start over. Leave Detroit kinda like a Michigan "Chernobyl" so that we all remember the kind of meltdown that happens when Democrats get too much control.
We all know Detroit is the butt of all city jokes in the U.S. The place is in utter disrepair, the city is huge compared to the taxes it receives--so naturally bad things started to happen. Business and economic growth don't exactly thrive in a place declared by the FBI as the murder capital of the U.S. So in your opinion, what can fix Detroit? Other than Robocop of course.
Stop voting for the democrats.
Cuz everyone knows we're a few republicans away from Utopia?
I don't know about that. I know the democrats and the unions had a free ride for their ultimate Utopia for the past 50 years. It was called Detroit. We can all see the result. It is basic History 101.
I think trying to pin the failure of Detroit singularly on the Democrats is a case of over-simplification. There were far more factors that lead to the downfall of Detroit than the party in power, or the role of unions. (Two groups I am not fans of, btw... I'm not defending them.)
At this point, I'd have to say evacuate all the remaining citizens, scatter them around the country, send in robots to do the dirty and dangerous work of bringing all the infrastructure up to par and keeping out anyone who wants to go in and make trouble, create DetroitCoin to pay off the debt (LOL, right?), wait ten years until everybody kinda forgets what was so wrong with Detroit in the first place, and then sell off all the properties to the highest bidder and let Detroit start over.
doesnt look like the goverment is going to do anything. People are though. Kids with not much money but drive and ability are going into detroit and getting dirt cheap property which they fix up and then people with more money see it and want it. A cycle of gentrification we have seen time and again.
I was just wondering about neighborhoods that are totally without infrastructure in detroit. If I have no water or power or fire department supplied do I still have to pay taxes? My guess is yes, because govt.=pigs, but if these people have no amenities usually paid by taxes, why bother?
USA wants tyhier people to do all the dirty work, unpaid labour, interns etc. but they still want to gouge them for the tax. no wonder that country is crumbling.
I was just wondering about neighborhoods that are totally without infrastructure in detroit. If I have no water or power or fire department supplied do I still have to pay taxes? My guess is yes, because govt.=pigs, but if these people have no amenities usually paid by taxes, why bother?
USA wants tyhier people to do all the dirty work, unpaid labour, interns etc. but they still want to gouge them for the tax. no wonder that country is crumbling.
We all know Detroit is the butt of all city jokes in the U.S. The place is in utter disrepair, the city is huge compared to the taxes it receives--so naturally bad things started to happen. Business and economic growth don't exactly thrive in a place declared by the FBI as the murder capital of the U.S. So in your opinion, what can fix Detroit? Other than Robocop of course.
Stop voting for the democrats.
Cuz everyone knows we're a few republicans away from Utopia?
I don't know about that. I know the democrats and the unions had a free ride for their ultimate Utopia for the past 50 years. It was called Detroit. We can all see the result. It is basic History 101.
I think trying to pin the failure of Detroit singularly on the Democrats is a case of over-simplification. There were far more factors that lead to the downfall of Detroit than the party in power, or the role of unions. (Two groups I am not fans of, btw... I'm not defending them.)
Nationalization of all secured & unsecured debt, city infrastructure is only a first step on this way.
Government debt and borrowing is what got them into this mess in the first place, that's just a temporary measure that won't solve anything, if I could change the way government worked I would make it illegal for any government employee to take on debt in the name of the taxpayer.
That's my point regardless, just make it completely illegal, if they're going to pay for it they're going to have to do it honestly through taxation, the only reason people vote for it is because they know their children are going to have to instead, the pricks, only on this planet do parents and grandparents think it's totally fine for them to not have to pay anything and their children should just because they had the good fortune to be born here.
Public library is fun at times. I relish the though of stopping by there once in awhile. When I get there, I suddenly realize, what in the world am I doing in a stupid place like this? The point? All taxes are stealing from the people.
You want public library? You pay. You want police protection? You pay. I don't want them and a whole bunch of other things and regulations? I don't pay. Get your hand out of my pocket. I'll donate when I think it is a worthy cause.
If I need socializing, I'll get over to the bar or to church, where they operate on donations... or you don't get very far in.
Nationalization of all secured & unsecured debt, city infrastructure is only a first step on this way.
Government debt and borrowing is what got them into this mess in the first place, that's just a temporary measure that won't solve anything, if I could change the way government worked I would make it illegal for any government employee to take on debt in the name of the taxpayer.
That's my point regardless, just make it completely illegal, if they're going to pay for it they're going to have to do it honestly through taxation, the only reason people vote for it is because they know their children are going to have to instead, the pricks, only on this planet do parents and grandparents think it's totally fine for them to not have to pay anything and their children should just because they had the good fortune to be born here.
sell it to Chinese
But only if they take it with them.
Yes just like Bitcoin. Buy it low and when the Chinese come in you'll be rich!
http://youtu.be/2B_uusKGG0U?t=38s
But only if you sell it high, before the Chinese get out!
sell it to Chinese
But only if they take it with them.
Yes just like Bitcoin. Buy it low and when the Chinese come in you'll be rich!
http://youtu.be/2B_uusKGG0U?t=38s
sell it to Chinese
But only if they take it with them.
sell it to Chinese
If I recall these $1 homes come with a catch: there's decades of taxes levied on these abandoned homes and nobody is going to pay $50K in unpaid taxes when there is cheaper real estate out there.
Nationalization of all secured & unsecured debt, city infrastructure is only a first step on this way.
Government debt and borrowing is what got them into this mess in the first place, that's just a temporary measure that won't solve anything, if I could change the way government worked I would make it illegal for any government employee to take on debt in the name of the taxpayer.
That's my point regardless, just make it completely illegal, if they're going to pay for it they're going to have to do it honestly through taxation, the only reason people vote for it is because they know their children are going to have to instead, the pricks, only on this planet do parents and grandparents think it's totally fine for them to not have to pay anything and their children should just because they had the good fortune to be born here.
Nationalization of all secured & unsecured debt, city infrastructure is only a first step on this way.
Government debt and borrowing is what got them into this mess in the first place, that's just a temporary measure that won't solve anything, if I could change the way government worked I would make it illegal for any government employee to take on debt in the name of the taxpayer.
We all know Detroit is the butt of all city jokes in the U.S. The place is in utter disrepair, the city is huge compared to the taxes it receives--so naturally bad things started to happen. Business and economic growth don't exactly thrive in a place declared by the FBI as the murder capital of the U.S. So in your opinion, what can fix Detroit? Other than Robocop of course.
Stop voting for the democrats.
Cuz everyone knows we're a few republicans away from Utopia?
Nobody equated the GOP with Utopia.
Can you name one city controlled by Republicans for 50 years that is as big a shithole as Detroit?
No, you can't. So please take your asinine strawman and shove it.
People would much rather live in Orange County than Detroit. And it's not just because of the weather, as demonstrated by deep red Idaho and Montana's relative prosperity and much higher quality of life.
You need to grow up and face the indisputable fact that the Democrat Oligarch's Free Shit Army has occupied Detroit and completely ruined it.
Again, the way to fix Detroit is to start from scratch. In order: Drop all taxes; Require an armed populace when not on their own personal property; Get rid of the police and most of the laws that limit people from starting and running a business, including new construction laws.
After Detroit gets back up to speed, re-start the taxes... in a small way at first. Gradually move in the controls as before.
Of course, expect the same thing to happen all over again. But at least you have the solution, now.
Learn from it.
They have no intention or desire to fix it. A lot more places in U.S. will turn out the same. I think they are reaching the end of their plan for that place.
If by miracle the war does stop (99.99% sure it wont anytime soon) - then maybe there is hope.
As Tupac (R.I.P) said:
"It's not the way I wanna live, my ni&#@ it's how it is...."
If by miracle the war does stop (99.99% sure it wont anytime soon) - then maybe there is hope.
As Tupac (R.I.P) said:
"It's not the way I wanna live, my ni&#@ it's how it is...."
Nationalization of all secured & unsecured debt, city infrastructure is only a first step on this way.
Turning it to Detroit Test Site would be more cost effective. Nevada seems to be too remote place
.(I do apologize for the malicious ideas, but when I was 13 yo back in the happy(?) commie days in the school I've got the task to read the Wheels from Arthur Hailey and write an essay about the exploitation of the working class in the modern capitalist industry, and since then I hate that city and dislike AH as well
. )
Privitize - like in Snow Crash.
Nationalization of all secured & unsecured debt, city infrastructure is only a first step on this way.
Government debt and borrowing is what got them into this mess in the first place, that's just a temporary measure that won't solve anything, if I could change the way government worked I would make it illegal for any government employee to take on debt in the name of the taxpayer.
Nationalization of all secured & unsecured debt, city infrastructure is only a first step on this way.
That above part made me think they could resell some Detroit neighborhoods
Make them into movie sets and skateparks
And have stuff blowing up instead of decaying to turn a profit
Hollywood could always use a few extra sets for whats not animated.
Make them into movie sets and skateparks
And have stuff blowing up instead of decaying to turn a profit
Hollywood could always use a few extra sets for whats not animated.
Detroit need millions of dollars to fix it up. Not gonna happen anytime soon.
Unless........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zR3fgoEarg
http://zworlddetroit.com/ (Will never happen, but...)
We all know Detroit is the butt of all city jokes in the U.S. The place is in utter disrepair, the city is huge compared to the taxes it receives--so naturally bad things started to happen. Business and economic growth don't exactly thrive in a place declared by the FBI as the murder capital of the U.S. So in your opinion, what can fix Detroit? Other than Robocop of course.
Stop voting for the democrats.
Cuz everyone knows we're a few republicans away from Utopia?
Nobody equated the GOP with Utopia.
Can you name one city controlled by Republicans for 50 years that is as big a shithole as Detroit?
No, you can't. So please take your asinine strawman and shove it.
People would much rather live in Orange County than Detroit. And it's not just because of the weather, as demonstrated by deep red Idaho and Montana's relative prosperity and much higher quality of life.
You need to grow up and face the indisputable fact that the Democrat Oligarch's Free Shit Army has occupied Detroit and completely ruined it.
Detroit need millions of dollars to fix it up. Not gonna happen anytime soon.
Rand Paul's economic freedom zone legislation will certainly get the ball rolling in the right direction while showcasing the free market at work and then putting a stake in the heart of liberal progressivism as the benefits of the former are unveiled. http://www.paul.senate.gov/files/documents/EconomicFreedomZones.pdf
I say we invest tray fiffdy into the Detroit city government that will get them going.
We all know Detroit is the butt of all city jokes in the U.S. The place is in utter disrepair, the city is huge compared to the taxes it receives--so naturally bad things started to happen. Business and economic growth don't exactly thrive in a place declared by the FBI as the murder capital of the U.S. So in your opinion, what can fix Detroit? Other than Robocop of course.
Stop voting for the democrats.
Cuz everyone knows we're a few republicans away from Utopia?
I don't know about that. I know the democrats and the unions had a free ride for their ultimate Utopia for the past 50 years. It was called Detroit. We can all see the result. It is basic History 101.
Ditto. Democrats promise everyone free money, free welfare, free hospital, free this and free that. People elect them out of personal greed. They wreck the country. The people are impoverished. Republicans are elected on the idea of people working for a living. Big business gets greedy and won't share the money with their workers. The people are impoverished. Democrats promise everyone free money...
Meanwhile, the wealthy few who understand the cycle quietly rake it in, keeping the people virtually as their slaves.
We all know Detroit is the butt of all city jokes in the U.S. The place is in utter disrepair, the city is huge compared to the taxes it receives--so naturally bad things started to happen. Business and economic growth don't exactly thrive in a place declared by the FBI as the murder capital of the U.S. So in your opinion, what can fix Detroit? Other than Robocop of course.
Stop voting for the democrats.
Cuz everyone knows we're a few republicans away from Utopia?
I don't know about that. I know the democrats and the unions had a free ride for their ultimate Utopia for the past 50 years. It was called Detroit. We can all see the result. It is basic History 101.
Detroit is failing because the industries there are failing. Historically, that has meant auto. How do you fix it? You need to bring jobs to the city. How do you bring jobs? You need to have a city safe for business and citizens. It's kind of a paradox that it takes resources to make a city safe, but the less safe a city is, the less resources it has as business and residents flee.
What will it take? Massive investment in the city. Whether you want that to be government or private is one question. I favor the private side. Property prices are so cheap because things are so bad, you're starting to see people willing to risk the investment to build a business or buy a house, because the upside outweighs the little loss, so the private side is starting to do its part a little. But beyond the market correcting itself, you need the city to get it together on its end too.
What will it take? Massive investment in the city. Whether you want that to be government or private is one question. I favor the private side. Property prices are so cheap because things are so bad, you're starting to see people willing to risk the investment to build a business or buy a house, because the upside outweighs the little loss, so the private side is starting to do its part a little. But beyond the market correcting itself, you need the city to get it together on its end too.
Good points. But the city is barely getting trickling tax money from the population due to the massive poverty, rampart unemployment, high crime thing. Houses can be had for as little as $500 in a lot of parts in Detroit. The thing is these houses have been gutted by looters beyond repair--plumbing, electrical, everything utility related is basically destroyed by these guys desperate to make a buck for their next crack fix.
So even if you did invest $500 to buy a house there, you'd still need to spend thousands to demolish the house (because it's not within city code), flatten the land and then rebuild another house. Then once you build the nicest house in the neighborhood your property would still be worth very little because you are still in a bad neighborhood and you will be targeted for home invasions most likely. It's not cost effective for any investor to do that.
There was news about a businessman a while back who planned on buying like 10 or 12 city blocks of houses but when he couldn't get the government to pay for the demolition he backed out.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/29/detroit-blight-bundle-herb-strather_n_6064394.html
Cuz everyone knows we're a few republicans away from Utopia?
Wonderful, it works with both parties, depending of the situation
Arrest the gang leaders,put only Caucasian(I'm being politically correct,yay me) people in the administration,enforce martial law for the first year with the help of the National Guard,make the city more accomodating to investors.
Politically correct Klansman?
Arrest the gang leaders,put only Caucasian(I'm being politically correct,yay me) people in the administration,enforce martial law for the first year with the help of the National Guard,make the city more accomodating to investors.
Cut taxes to zero. Require everyone to open carry when not on there own property. Shut down the police department. Let nature take its course from there.
EDIT: I might add, send in the homeless from Florida.
EDIT: I might add, send in the homeless from Florida.
We all know Detroit is the butt of all city jokes in the U.S. The place is in utter disrepair, the city is huge compared to the taxes it receives--so naturally bad things started to happen. Business and economic growth don't exactly thrive in a place declared by the FBI as the murder capital of the U.S. So in your opinion, what can fix Detroit? Other than Robocop of course.
Stop voting for the democrats.
Cuz everyone knows we're a few republicans away from Utopia?
We all know Detroit is the butt of all city jokes in the U.S. The place is in utter disrepair, the city is huge compared to the taxes it receives--so naturally bad things started to happen. Business and economic growth don't exactly thrive in a place declared by the FBI as the murder capital of the U.S. So in your opinion, what can fix Detroit? Other than Robocop of course.
Stop voting for the democrats.
Get them to move somewhere else
Honestly I don't know they could try to become a silicon valley and get technology companies to work there
But not sure what they can really offer to attract new people
Honestly I don't know they could try to become a silicon valley and get technology companies to work there
But not sure what they can really offer to attract new people
Detroit is failing because the industries there are failing. Historically, that has meant auto. How do you fix it? You need to bring jobs to the city. How do you bring jobs? You need to have a city safe for business and citizens. It's kind of a paradox that it takes resources to make a city safe, but the less safe a city is, the less resources it has as business and residents flee.
What will it take? Massive investment in the city. Whether you want that to be government or private is one question. I favor the private side. Property prices are so cheap because things are so bad, you're starting to see people willing to risk the investment to build a business or buy a house, because the upside outweighs the little loss, so the private side is starting to do its part a little. But beyond the market correcting itself, you need the city to get it together on its end too.
What will it take? Massive investment in the city. Whether you want that to be government or private is one question. I favor the private side. Property prices are so cheap because things are so bad, you're starting to see people willing to risk the investment to build a business or buy a house, because the upside outweighs the little loss, so the private side is starting to do its part a little. But beyond the market correcting itself, you need the city to get it together on its end too.
Hand it over to the Five Families . They have the reputation of being able to turn rundown shitholes to profitable businesses .
. They have the reputation of being able to turn rundown shitholes to profitable businesses .
I am sorry, I am not constructive at all as of now. So simply, burn it to the ground, it seems to be fun to fight the fire and burning it. It may regenerate or not, who cares anyway... I can't see it from Manhattan, it doesn't exists. More seriously what do you understand by "fix", free crack?
xoxo
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If US Gov more concern about their people in Detroit than to send US troops to all over the world , i believe Detroit can be fixed.
Imagine how much money they spend for Irak ,Afghan and all other place in this world.
Imagine how much money they spend for Irak ,Afghan and all other place in this world.
We all know Detroit is the butt of all city jokes in the U.S. The place is in utter disrepair, the city is huge compared to the taxes it receives--so naturally bad things started to happen. Business and economic growth don't exactly thrive in a place declared by the FBI as the murder capital of the U.S. So in your opinion, what can fix Detroit? Other than Robocop of course.
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