Topic: How did Gaza resistance defeat Israeli terrorists and their NATO supporters (Read 160 times)

Today another wave of Palestinian hostages were liberated from Zionist torture dungeons. 200 hostages to be exact (on top of the 90 liberated last week). Something that catches the eye among the details published in the list of the liberated Palestinian hostages is the age and the duration of their bondage. In the small example picture below we can see:

• A 15 year old child who was taken hostage back in 2016 and had been kept for the past 9 years and
• Another man who was taken hostage back in 1985 and had been kept for 40 years!

This is indeed a great victory for Palestine...

It is not up to you or I to say why Palestinians were celebrating. They clearly state that they are celebrating their victory against the Zionist occupiers and have been supporting the Resistance (including HAMAS) from day one.

The only result of the past 15 months genocide that Israeli terrorist carried out is that the Resistance grew significantly. For example according to Zionist reports HAMAS alone has gotten 4000 new members in the past couple of months.

Not to mention Syria that after the fall of Assad the Resistance can now be established (he was preventing it while he was in power and only wanted to be the logistic route of the Resistance not a member). That is already growing...

I am still not convinced by all the victory slogans that many want to believe. The people who went out to celebrate in the streets of Gaza were celebrating the ceasefire and their ability to finally collect the rubble of their collapsed buildings. Reports from the United Nations talk about 14 full years to collect the rubble of the buildings and get rid of it. The sector is no longer fit for living and I do not rule out that this is the reason that will push the residents to leave and thus empty the sector of any land that Hamas can exploit in the future.

I also heard about the reconstruction of Gaza at a cost not exceeding a billion dollars, which in my opinion is a very small amount that will not be enough for anything. Then what about the economic losses of the residents? Who will compensate them?

But an important question that I cannot find an answer to is: If Hamas is victorious, why is it sitting at the negotiating table? I am not saying that Israel is victorious because it is a war of attrition for everyone, but this does not mean at all that it is defeated.

I personally support the idea that Hamas did not manage the Gaza Strip well or deal well with the Gaza crisis, whether before or after October 7, and that Hamas bears the greatest responsibility for what happened and is happening in the Gaza Strip. October 7 was the perfect pretext that the Zionists were waiting for to move forward with the comprehensive settlement plan by eliminating everyone who considers himself a resistance movement. From today, talk about Hamas, Hezbollah and Syria as symbols of resistance against the Zionist project will end. Literally, the entire region has been subjugated, awaiting the signing of more normalization agreements.

Whoever sees another reality would do well to look for more convincing arguments with imaginary victories.

Two main aspects of the Zionists' defeat in Gaza that may not have been recognized by the outside world (that doesn't follow Hebrew media) are:

1) The massive victory march of the Resistance Forces in the streets of Gaza in the past days as they were greeted by the Palestinians as they all celebrated their victory. You see, the Zionist-NATO coalition very soon figured out they are too weak militarily to defeat the Resistance in Gaza. This is why the Israeli terrorists activated their Dahiya doctrine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine). This doctrine is basically large scale terrorist attacks against civilians and civilian infrastructure. The objective of it is to murder enough people (specifically children and families of those standing against the Israeli terrorists) to break up the society and by polarizing it and creating an internal disruption and unrest (including protests) they can win against the Resistance.
But murdering 200,000 people in Gaza had the exact opposite effect. With each unarmed civilian the Israeli terrorists murdered with the help of NATO, more people picked up arms and joined the Resistance to fight against the Israeli terrorists.

So you can only imagine the depth of defeat Zionist occupiers feel when the video like this comes out and as people chant: خیبر خیبر یا یهود... جیش محمد بدأ یعود


2) The change in the way US regime sees and treats Israel from now on. Until the defeat of the Zionist organization on October 7, with the heavy Zionist infestation/infiltration of US government, they basically controlled a lot of things and US was practically Zionists' proxy! As a matter of fact many of the wars the US regime started over the past 20 years have been started for the Zionists like the invasion of Iraq.
But after their defeat and the way the cost of the support of Zionists went through the roof for the US regime (it defeated Biden and Democrats in the elections as well); and with Trump and his radical MAGA thing, from now on things flip and US sees Israel as its proxy. Now the Zionists have to pay...

P.S. The cost for US and the Coalition of Terror requires a separate analysis. Some are estimating it to be over $200 billion although it is far below the real value IMO because they don't count the damage to US regime's aircraft carrier groups and the aircrafts US Navy/AirForce lost over the past 15 months...

Thanks for sharing this because it proves the difference between Israel and Hamas.
Israel as a terrorist organization has only targeted civilians (majority of which are women and children) over the past 15 months; while Hamas as a resistance group fighting the terrorists have only eliminated Israeli soldiers.

After the Zionist were defeated in the North by the Lebanese Resistance to the point where they had to beg for a cease fire there, now they had to beg for another ceasefire in the South all the while the hypersonic Yemeni missiles land and demolish their targets without any of the dozens of NATO ABMs being able to detect or intercept them.

Wrong. They entered Gaza with the 5 objectives I posted in OP two of which were to completely destroy/eliminate the Resistance (not just HAMAS) and to recover their terrorist troops by force. They achieved none of it.

They also have not been capable of destroying the capabilities of the Resistance. You seem to have missed the fact that every day from day one of invasion of Gaza to today the Resistance has been eliminating Israeli terrorists, launching rockets at their positions in occupied lands, continue manufacturing weapons and ammunitions, training more troops to join the Resistance and fight the terrorists.
In fact according to the Israeli terrorists, the Resistance has been able to grow by 4000 new members (although it is higher than that in reality).
Not to mention that now because of all the bombs the terrorists used on Gaza that didn't go off, HAMAS has access to hundreds of times more explosives than 15 years ago. If you want to know more just watch the recent cries of the Israeli terrorists about "high explosives" that were used against their armors over the past couple of months (ie. the repurposed Zionist bombs used against them).

In other words not only the Resistance didn't get any weaker but instead it is far stronger now...

One of the objectives of October 7 operations against the Israeli terrorists was to force them to release thousands of Palestinian hostages in their rape dungeons. These hostages are being recovered now... A great victory for Palestine.

I suggest you read up on the ideology of the Resistance, Islam and the history of the Resistance. These leaders are not the first leaders of the Resistance that are martyred at the hands of the terrorists and they won't be the last. Each time the Israeli terrorists martyr a Resistance leader, the Resistance grows a lot bigger and much stronger.

Take the Islamic Resistance Movement or as it is known with its Arabic acronyms HAMAS. When Ahmad Yasin created this Resistance movement back in 1987, it was a tiny movement. More of a protesting group than a military force. The best weapon they had was stones! Yasin was martyred in 2004 by Israeli terrorists. A year after that and by 2005 this movement was so solid that it won the elections in Palestine and by 2007 majority of Palestinians voted for it so that it can take control of Gaza as its legitimate government.
The Israeli terrorists have been murdering the leaders of this Resistance ever since, but each time the Resistance has grown its military capabilities, its rockets/missile arsenal, its passive defense aka the underground tunnel system and with each leader they lost they got stronger.

Or the Lebanese Resistance, Hezbollah. Back in 1982 when Israeli terrorists had occupied most of Lebanon and were carrying out a genocide there, this Resistance group started its operation against the Zionist occupiers. Back when Abbas al-Musawi and others started this group, the best weapon they had was some handguns and were using Guerrilla Warfare against the occupiers.
By 1992 when the Israeli terrorists thought killing their leader would weaken them, they entered the political scene and gained 12 seats in the Parliament. The delusional terrorists thought Hezbollah is weakened to the point where the Zionist terrorists launched the largest attacks on Lebanon after 1980's with massive airstrikes and shelling. Hezbollah back then only had Katyusha rockets (that's a WW2 era rocket that lacks accuracy and is very weak) however they could defeat the Zionists in 7 days.
Skipping some history we can reach the iconic 33-day war in 2006. The Israeli terrorists have been assassinating Resistance leaders in the years leading to 2006 thinking this time the Resistance is so weak they can enter Lebanon and finish the occupation job they couldn't finish in the 1980's. They were pathetically defeated this time since by then Hezbollah had more rockets, had prepared for it, had some ballistic and anti-ship missiles, and most importantly they had Almas that helped them turn South of Lebanon into a graveyard of Zionist armor for the first time.
Fast forward to 2023. Israeli terrorists have assassinated so many more Hezbollah leaders but today the Resistance in Lebanon has a massive arsenal of missiles, rockets, drones and passive defense aka underground facilities built into the mountains impossible to be destroyed or damaged. Today they own the largest missile and drone forces that half of NATO wishes they could have built.

Gaza has been an open air prison for decades with all connection to the outside world has been cut. This is not new. The Israeli terrorists bomb Gaza annually and turn it into rubble. That also is not new.
Iran has been supporting the Palestinians in this open air prison for just as long and even during the past 15 months with 100% blockade, Iran has been sending them food and their needs.
For example this is a screenshot of the Israeli terrorist TV channel 11 from months ago during the complete blockade. Here this Zionist terrorists is basically begrudgingly explaining how their genocide/starvation of people of Gaza is not working the way they wanted to because Iran (namely the Iran's Red Crescent as they are also showing in the video) is still feeding them. The footage is also showing the Iranians cooking food inside Gaza:


If you think the Israeli terrorists with the help of entire NATO can prevent Iran from helping those who are in dire need of help, then you know nothing of the region or the history of the past 46 years

Not to mention that if by "support" you mean weapons, you know even less of the situation. Because Iran does not exactly give them weapons. They build everything themselves from their deadly Yasin 105 missiles (aka Merkava killers) to thermobaric bombs (high explosives I mentioned earlier) and anti personnel/armor bombs like Shawwaz (شواظ) that has destroyed the Zionist genocide machine.

Well, while you insist to say this is a defeat for Gaza, the Israeli terrorists are insisting that this is a defeat for Israel and a great victory for Gaza. In fact they are saying that this was a bigger defeat for Israel compared to October 7 defeat.

Every war has its own characteristics and not all situations are the same. The winner in any war is the one who succeeds in weakening the capabilities of his enemy with the aim of forcing him to surrender or eliminate him.

Algeria was a country occupied by another country with armies, equipment and settlers and they fight over a vast area that enables them to achieve real victories that weaken the enemy and support was coming from everywhere and the revolutionaries succeeded in national independence by exploiting many factors, the most important of which was the global situation in which France was exhausted from the WW and the peoples' liberation movement supported by the world.

Germany killed many during the war but did not succeed because it was fighting everyone. Hitler was able to subjugate Poland, France and other countries but he could not kill everyone and fight all the weapons in the world. He was a sick madman. Germany fell after Berlin, which was the center of decision-making, was destroyed and there was no need to further destroy the rest of the cities because Germany was exhausted at that time and its army was scattered fighting on all fronts. Germany was not stronger than everyone and Hitler's madness is what prompted others to attack it in a losing war.

The situation in Gaza is a little different because it is part of a completely occupied country and you have no army, no equipment, no international support and no one wants to help you. What do we do? Let's push it to hell! When you challenge an enemy stronger than you without guarantees to protect people and without sufficient equipment and destroy your already deteriorating economy and exhaust yourself for 15 months without having any guarantees of how things will end, this is madness and not a resistance movement. I still do not understand how a victor goes to negotiations and how Hamas is stronger after all its losses in weapons and leaders and the result is the return of all the living hostages to Israel in exchange for the release of a few dozen Palestinians who will be re-arrested later.

You say that the victor is the one who achieves his goals. Israel entered the war to eliminate Hamas' capabilities and recover the hostages. Now all the hostages will be recovered and the leaders of Hamas were killed in the fighting and Gaza has become rubble and cut all support from iran via Syria and Hizbollah.
Assuming that Hamas achieved any goal from this war, do those goals deserve this large number of losses? If this is a victory, then what is a defeat?

Then for how long will all these remain to be, when we are having leaders but their influence is not helping the situations on ground, everyone should have right to live, we are in a civilized world, there should be limit to how the do called powerful ones should be intruding on the weaks privacy and affairs, similar things like this are part of what constitutes other related wars we are having around the world with other countries.


I think I know part of the solution, maybe we should try and see how we are going to all actualize this freedom we have been talking about, because some were still subjected to some higher and super authority and this tells that they can't fully exercise their own full potentials in leadership by any declaration or decision except being approved by the higher hypnotized rulers more powerful than them, there is also something useful and very important from what Zlantan said as quoted below, it may also go a way far in helping through the solution.

Ceasefire
Asylum
Memorandum of Understanding

All these will ha e to include the support of many other giants Nations to achieve them.

There will be no peace except both nations respect the territorial integrity of each other. There will always be war between neighbouring countries if one of them feels superior and has an expansionist agenda. The ceasefire is a welcomed development since Gazans will gradually put themselves together and see how they can recover from their losses. But there might be a reoccurrence of another war if the foundational issues are not handled. Until there is a genuine willingness of world leaders to settle this dispute, we might have another bigger war in future.

The casualties though was not in the favor of Hamas. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/15/the-human-toll-of-israels-war-on-gaza-by-the-numbers
1:30 being reported, that's three times more than what Hamas claims to be a success. As of perception, it's temporary and it changes. This is not a new conflict and it won't end here. But Hamas and its ally Hezbollah are much weaker than where they started. Even the Arabs are no longer sympathetic to Hamas this time excluding the new found Houthi rulers in Yemen.

The same reason why countries could not live in peace with Nazi Germany. When you have a ethno supremacist regime (Nazis and Zionists) who thinks they are superior beings just because of their race and want to kill everyone else who is not, you can not live in peace with it because this type of organization will not live in peace with you.

In conflicts, victory of one side is not defined as how many people that side murdered or how many houses it destroyed. Instead it is defined based on the objectives that side set for their slaughters. I've already counted the Zionists objectives and Palestinian objectives and explained why it is a victory for Gaza.

Think of it this way: did Germany win WW2? The Nazis murdered tens of millions of people, eg. 20 million Russians were murdered and Europe was all but destroyed and was unlivable. But nobody would say Germany won. Why? Because they never reached any of their objectives.

Let me give a better example. Algeria was once colonized and occupied for 132 years by the French. Algerians struggled for freedom and the "Resistance" fought the occupiers while the occupiers murdered millions of people there before they were kicked out for good. The war crimes French colonizers committed in Algeria (genocide, rape, torture, etc.) was not very different from what the multi-National Zionist colonizers have been committing in Palestine. The destruction was similar as well, the colonizers destroyed people's houses and dislocated millions of Algerians who were forced to live in concentration camps similar to what people of Gaza are going through.
Despite all that, Algerians won the war.

The war in Palestine is not over but this battle is definitely won.

Excuse me, but I find this meaningless. I do not see what was happening as a war, but rather an aggression by the Zionists against a defenseless people without weapons, food or medicine. The forces are not equal and it is not surprising that all these massacres are happening.

I mean, we sacrifice 46,000 human lives to distort Israel's image in the world? Why do we go to negotiations if we are victorious? I mean, have you seen Israel's reputation shaken in the world and have you not seen the millions of children who died or were displaced and what that resulted in in the souls of those who are still alive? In addition to the displacement of tens of thousands.

- The Strip is no longer fit for living, so what about the resistance whose activities will be completely restricted under international sponsorship (Qatari and Egyptian forces) pending the handover of the Strip to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank.
- Eliminating Hamas leaders inside and outside.
- Finding a pretext to eliminate and weaken Hezbollah leaders.
- Reaching a deal to end the Syrian regime's complete cutting off of supplies.

What victories are you talking about?

I am against the Zionist project and against the establishment of Israel as a racist state on occupied land that is not theirs. But that does not make me ignore the facts on the ground. Israel does not care about its reputation around the world thanks to the unconditional American and Western support, and Hamas does not represent the resistance project because it literally occupies the Gaza Strip and exploits innocent people to implement agendas in the region. Resistance does not mean underestimating the enemy's capabilities and directing the entire region to a fate of destruction. That would be absurd.

When it comes to war like this, it is better to always focus more on the genesis of these, which could also serves as the root or background causes to why all these incessant fighting and continuing, Israel is a well known country as well as Palestine, but i wonder why they both cant have a cause to establish peace to reign just as we have with other countries that you hardly heard about their involvement in crisis, this has a lot to do with their leaders as well, some are just hiding under a covering in pretense to be in support while they were actually against in reality, we have some who are the major sponsors to some of these mayhem, they are still the same people under their political power and are making use of their power in the wrong way, US is another thing entirely, because some are in support for their influence while some are against because they believed they are also part of the instruments used in fueling the war, while all we need is peace to reign, but how? 

Not many people especially from western countries doesn't have knowledge about the actual Israel- Palestine conflict they just highlight the atack happened but the root go past 1950 when Israel started invading a country called Palestine and now they are claiming their entire country as their own and native people has no right to belong here. This is absurd, and no country in this world dared to ask this question to the terrorist government that you are pointing out.

It is like Kim invaded England and invaded slowly after 50 years covered most place of England and now claim Englishmen especially Queen doesn't belong here, will the governments act same if that happened?

Now that Palestinians are celebrating their victory against the biggest terrorist organization on planet that has the full support of NATO, it is good to review the history as a reminder of what happened in the past 15 months and by extension the past 8 decades. I'll try to keep it as short as I can only mentioning the important events. Feel free to add anything I missed.


Almost 8 decades ago when the first Zionist terrorist cells formed inside Palestine, the occupation plans were set in motion. After the terrorist organization Israel was established, the genocide of the population of Palestine also began. Slowly and like cancer, this organization spread through Palestine and tried spreading through the region as well occupying parts of neighboring countries. But Palestinian people specially the residence of Gaza have always shown a unique resilience and have slowed the growth of that tumor to a halt.
It is worth knowing that the recent 15-month genocide was not the first time Zionist occupiers of Palestine bomb Gaza murdering countless people and it won't be the last.

The root of recent genocide could be found in late 2020 in my opinion, that is when the crazy US president started the end of Israel by starting what is known as Abraham Accords. Something that was meant to legitimize the terrorist organization occupying Palestine and put an end to Palestine and Palestinians once and for all.

According to what the Israeli terrorists said months after October 7 they were planning to launch their genocidal attacks on Gaza before, but the Resistance attacked them first. This looks like part of Abraham Accords to make Palestine disappear, establish the Arab-Med corridor through the terrorist organization giving it both legitimacy and economic support. By forcing the Arab dictators to economically rely on this terrorist organization, Trump hoped to ensure its long term survival.
Apparently the Intelligence arm of Gaza Resistance figures these plans out and plans their own preemptive strike. In a perfectly designed military operation on October 7, 2023 the Hamas defenders launch a large scale attack against Israeli terrorist bases close to Gaza strip neutralizing hundreds of Zionist soldiers and take many of them prisoner in order to have an asset to force the Israeli terrorists to release the thousands of Palestinian hostages (including children) that have been kept in Israeli dungeons being tortured and raped. Whilst also putting Palestine back on the map, preventing it from disappearing...


The delusional Zionists with the delusional Western spy services come to the conclusion that they can enter Gaza and release their soldiers without having to swap those Zionist troops with the hostages they still hold. All of that in a matter of days or weeks at most!!! So they set out their objectives to be:
1. Complete destruction of the Resistance in Gaza, namely Hamas
2. Complete occupation and control of Gaza Strip
3. Freeing Zionist empoisoned troops
4. Building occupying settlements inside Gaza
5. Killing all Palestinians inside Gaza or pushing them out into Egypt (Sina desert)

So the propaganda began in order to justify the genocide of Palestinians! At the beginning, even the US president got involved and spread one of the biggest and most obvious lies about "beheading babies"! And a large portion of the "sheeple" believed it at first. We could even see some of them on bitcointalk who believed the biggest lie after Israeli terrorists dropped one of the heaviest US made bombs on a hospital murdering hundreds of civilians in one night: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/one-of-the-darkest-days-of-humanity-includes-sensitive-image-5470845


But as time went on, the propaganda was debunked and people realized they were being lied to. That is when demonstrations began, specially in countries that were supporting the Israeli terrorists like United States; while the suppression and arrests haven't been able to stop them.


For 15 months the Zionist terrorists (members of Israel organization) tried to enter Gaza and achieve their objectives. But each time they entered Gaza their terrorist troops were eliminated by the Resistance. Their supposedly indestructible tanks which they call Merkava (meaning chariot of god!) was easily destroyed,... every day using the simplest anti-armor missile named Al-Yassin 105. The Israeli terrorists could never hold any parts of Gaza securely without being attacked and eliminated every day.
Multiple Zionist divisions no longer exist due to the high number of losses, specially among Zionist officers...

The Zionists could never achieve even a single one of their objectives:
1. Not only Resistance was not destroyed, but it is stronger than ever. According to Israeli terrorists, the Resistance groups such as Hamas have gotten thousands of more members compared to before as people pick up arms to fight against the Zionist occupiers
2. Israeli terrorists could not control any part of Gaza and they are now leaving even Netzarim corridor which they said they'll never abandon
3. The Israeli terrorists could not free any of their empoisoned troops by force
4. No settlement has been built inside Gaza, they couldn't even secure their forces inside with full air-support and armor!
5. Palestinians never left Gaza for Egypt. 200,000 of them died but they stood their ground

On the other hand, Palestinians achieved all their objectives:
1. They've succeeding in putting Palestine back on the maps. Today the prospect of the Palestinian state is stronger than ever and many countries have already recognized it.
2. The true face of Israel as an apartheid regime that occupies Palestine is seen by the whole world.
3. From now on the terms Genocide and Holocaust will remind everyone of what Israel did in Gaza
4. Israel is being depopulated as many occupiers decided to end their occupation of Palestine and go back to their own countries and many more will follow
5. The illusion of indestructible Zionist military was shattered!
6. The true face of US regime with all its empty talks of "human rights" was seen by the whole world, severely damaging the US regime's soft power
7. Today not only the heads of this terrorist organization including Netanyahu have arrest warrants on them for acts of genocide and crimes against humanity but also the Zionist terrorists who participated in the genocide in Gaza are being arrested if they travel abroad for same crimes.

The valiant resistance Palestinian people showed and their strength in crushing their enemy despite having lost their families brought the Israeli terrorists to their knees. Which is the main reason behind the recent "ceasefire" that is being talked about thee days.

This is a great victory and the beginning of the end of Israel. But this is just ceasefire, not peace. As long as the occupation continues and the Zionist terrorist organization exists, there won't be any peace.