Topic: How easy is it to sell an account? (Read 704 times)

Selling an bitcointalk account may be a money making oppurtity for the account farmers or even geuine single account holder who want to leave the forum forever, but the buyer who paid for that account will always be at the risk. The reason for this is becasue once the accoutn change hands, for sure, there will be change in the posting habits and other stuff.

Since everyone wantches every closely to the accounts, sooner or later it will be detected that the account change hands and it will be tagged, making it useless to join the signature campiagns (I assune anyone would buy account for the joining the Sig. Campaiagns and no other reason comes to my mind).

Account farmers prefer to fly under the radar to avoid suspicions. When you do things that are unethical, you are bound to slip up and make a mistake one day. Posting habits and style is difficult to change and such patterns can be easily noticed by other members.

Calling account buyers criminals is too much IMO. I think most people buy alts to increase the money they make from signature campaigns, only a few would buy an account to scam. As you know, scammers do not find it easy to succeed here so more often than not the goal is always to milk signature campaigns.

Just don't go far, you don't need to quote Elon Musk and others as what you are saying might not be genuine with smart people. I for one, as I am, if I want to buy an account, I can only buy the ones that I know I can cope with, and that is wisdom. I wouldn't go for the account of a tech-savvy guy which I know I wouldn't be able to cope with since I am just moderate in that field.

But for other accounts whatsoever, I will be able to deal with them. I am just saying this so that you know that the remark of buying brain along with it doesn't matter. It is about the person buying the account, people are smarter and cunning than you think. Just as I am a natural psychologist, I will only study the character of the person using the account before, and that is it. Many are here on the forum that are smarter than this and with a whole lot of schemes and you will not even be able to differentiate them even from their alts.

Criminals are getting wiser daily. By the way, that's for those who have the time to operate such accounts. I see no reason why 1 account wouldn't be enough for people or why they would want to buy an account when they can build theirs with zero ($0) paid.

Yes you are very correct. our account is the reflection of who we are or what we think. and if anybody thinks of buying an account the person should also know that you can not buy the brain behind it. But one other thing there is that it depends on who the account goes to. If it goes to a less creative person, people will know what really happened. But if sold to an experience or highly skill and knowledgeable person the account will Excel more than the original owner, because people will think that the person has upgraded in knowledge.

I think the success of Every project is do to the master piece, being the brain behind it. And when you fail to understand that, then you choose to fail. That's why in some occasions they will chose to hire you than buying your company because they knew that if they buy the company without hirering you, the project will still be a waste. Just like Elon musk bought twitter thinking that twitter will continue the way it was without knowing that the reason behind the growth of twitter is the formal CEO.  Now twitter is falling from  $44billion to $19billionand now he has changed the name to space X and even planing to change the narrative of space x to gain more attention.

So sometime if you buy something from someone and the thing is not working as planed, you plan to restrategise in other to create another narrative. Now elon-musk-wants-your-entire-financial-life-on-x-report. who knows maybe his new narrative might bring back it original shape.

It is true that buying selling account is not directly prohibited but account DT  will be tag accounts for two reasons:
1: The seller couldn't be as trusted as the real owner and the chances of scamming is high, The reason why loan scam cases happened.

2: Account may be hacked.


Possibly someone wants to leave Bitcointalk and he want to sell account but very few cases comes. Its hard to rank up account and I do not think after a such time spending and working on account anyone will be agree to sell his account cheaply. I don't know about other but I will not sell my account even if someone offer me to pay 1 Eth

Really? that's really cheap since 21,000,001 Bitcoins is worth $0.

Why? if you think what did @OP did deserved to get negative feedback, you can leave it by yourself. Even you're not yet a DT member, it doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't leave a feedback.

I'm even shocked at the topic, one would not expect such a topic to still remain online days after posting it and the OP wouldn't go without a negative trust tagged on his account.

Just to be clear, account buying or selling is prohibited. It is honorable to grow your reputation over the years, to show that you merited it.
Such transactions should not be encouraged but frowned at.

There's nothing positive in selling account actually, is just the money but come to think of it, these guys that do sell account which we do call account farmers, how can they be traced? Since the Forum is aware of the act but not encouraging it?
Let's leave the quality post the users do drop, the main concern is how well can this person obey the rules and regulations of this Forum. Honestly it's not only what they post that matters, every factors to look into matters as well, there intentions.




If is possible to change the username (which I'm not sure of) then the email can be changed, infact the username should be the hardest to change like it's stocked but the email can be changed or let me say the password to the email. If the seller can't surrender every information concerning the account but he has already collected the money then that business is not a clean one.

You never used the word "if" when referring to your example/yourself, you also spoke definitely in the first person (not arguing with you, only telling you how I've read your post)

Here is the full quote, in bold what I am referring to:


Maybe it's just the way you write. If you read what is in bold, you will see that it reads that when you do something or other, etc....not "for example" or "I would think" or something like that. You are definitely talking in the first person with no indication to the reader that you were providing an example.

I agree with your overall point that without the same person, the account will probably be useless. That makes sense, and I see your overall point...I think that in your first post it just came across as if this is a normal activity.

Initially, it was off with me as well, but later, on second thought, I realised that allowing them to sell accounts is not a big deal. After all, it encourages the forum to remain active instead of people abandoning their accounts for so long. But sadly, so many people use that opportunity to farm accounts which is the ugly part of it. I believe that the management of the forum realizes that a username is just a username, anyone can control it, so long they contribute to the forum positively and write quality posts without disobeying the forum's rules. Even in companies and forums, who you thought the admin was might have been changed to another person over time, yet you still read the same username thinking it is the same person. So, there is no big deal here, it is what they post that matters.

That is left to the user to decide, it is not a must though, and I know that a simple PM can help change that as we see in the forum that usernames are being changed. But the issue that many are not considering is that can't the buyer reclaim the account later by force since they still own the email used to open the account. Without changing the email, I think the account has not been effectively sold, it can still be hijacked. That's a risk to consider.

If you look in the Reputation board, you will surely find a lot of people who have been caught doing "illegal" things with their alt accounts. I often notice such behavior on the forum, especially when it comes to users from certain countries.

I tried to point out such behavior on one example that you can see here, but apart from me leaving neutral feedback, no one else felt it necessary to do anything. I believe that this only encourages others to do the same things, and it is no secret that some are ready to do anything for a few merits, and that includes talking to themselves.

OP I suggest you avoid dealing with account sellers. Most of them are scams, who would you hold responsible if the seller blocks you after payment? Make a thread about it here and you will get no sympathy from the forum.

Has anyone been caught doing this? Because its worth giving a neutral tag over, replying yourself in the comments is abnormal behavior.

You are probably misunderstanding the whole situation. If you had paid more attention to the entire sentence, you would have realised I was just making an example rather than just quoting a few of the statements, making it sound as if it's a self-proclaimed word or confession, creating and seeing error where there is none.
 
It was an example like, if I am to do something today, create or develop a project, I do it in almost the same way as how I live my life, and if the account is to be handed over to another person, the account won't have the same value as it should have when it's being handled by me, who is the original creator and owner of the project or account in question. I don't see which part of this statement is so hard for anyone to understand.

Is indeed a trick but no one can tell when it will happen.
Hmm, is the Alice an bob still active?
What you just said about Alice and bob do happen but one can't identify who really owns the account and I feel that's the abuse of merit we're talking about, it can't stop too quick even the use of AI to make the post look clean.

Nobody started off with the suspicions... You created an avenue for that and I can also add to that tune if I feel your reasons for asking is just as unethical as the question itself... Cus why would you wanna KNOW HOW MUCH AN ACCOUNT IS SOLD FOR?? Did anyone tell you they've been selling accounts and that they needed validations from you? C'monnn!! What's the resentment all about? You caused it...

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Be mindful! The forum maintains anonymity and that  doesn't give people free role on knowing others personally; so people would rather prefer basing off Thier suspicions and assertions on the responses you make.....again, be mindful.

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This forum never supports account trading. And those who send offers to sell accounts are scamming money from some stupid people. Again, it is wrong to say that Totally account is not bought and sold here. Here many accounts are seen changing hands and in this reason many accounts have been given negative and natural trust. So if someone wants to buy and use the account he will be caught. The type of posts of two people will never be the same, and the two will not have knowledge on the same subject, so if the account changes hands, the topics of the posts will also change.

How many accounts have you "built" on this forum?

This is concerning. I know that people are allowed to have alt forum accounts, though I thought this was for the purpose of freedom of speech, so that you could express yourself without potentially effecting the reputation that you have spent time on building.

However, building, purposefully? Is this really something that is openly allowed and a norm on this forum (people purposefully building alt accounts)? What other reason could there possibly be for doing that in a pseudonymous way other than for profit? This has to be the most interesting comment I've read all day and I'm looking forward to seeing the responses to this post to learn more.

I'm more thinking of 21,000,001 Bitcoins. By then my account is worthless anyway. Disclaimer: I saw this "offer" from an old account a long time ago, so the idea isn't mine but I forgot who it was.

That's totally allowed, but heavily frowned upon. Almost as much frowning as you get when you buy an account.

Bitcointalk is a community. Account sales and meriting your own post are like cheating the community. It's up to you to choose which path you want to walk.

The rules state “Having multiple accounts and account sales are allowed, but account sales are discouraged.” Even though account sales is not prohibited, the community does not take kindly to account sellers/buyers. There is a 80percent chance of getting a negative tag if your account is proven to be sold. I’m yet to see a account sales thread on the forum where the OP hasn’t got multiple tags.

Why does the community do this? First you should ask yourself why would anyone want to buy a high rank bitcointalk account? Well the answer is to make money from signature campaigns, high rank means more pay. For this reason and more, account sellers/buyers are perceived as dishonest people whose motive for being here cannot be of any value to the forum.

Because it's a trick.

A newbie account named Bob created a new thread about what is merit, then he use his main account named Alice to answer it with long paragraph, this will make people to merit Alice, then both Bob and Alice will meriting each other.

Or you intend to sell your account, calm down it just my speculation without any proof.

Nobody will stop you from buying an account, regardless of the rank you want, but when you are done, you will never use the account again. Because I believe you will only buy an account to apply for a signature campaign, and when you get accepted, you start receiving payment weekly. Although it may be a nice idea to you, other forum members who know the consequences of such an act will not advise you to do so because it’s discouraging, and purchasing a bitcointalk account will not allow you to know the necessary things about the forum and bitcoin and cryptocurrency at large since you got your account with a high rank. You are only after money anytime you come online, which is not the main reason for the forum.


If you want to buy an account, just say directly that you are looking for someone who will sell an account, but don’t come out and say anything that happens between both of you in the process of doing such shit. However, nobody will tell you the amount of any rank you want; as you can see, this is not a market where you will see every single good with a price attached to it. If you buy an account once you are caught or when they see any changing of hands, the account will be tagged, and you will not get use of it again or participate in signature campaigns.

It's up to the buyer and seller if they resort doing that but for me, it will be useless buying an old account since it's not the account that matters the most but your own knowledge and understanding on the different threads in the forum. Because if you are knowledgeable enough, you will easily rank up and gain tons of merits because your post are in high quality that others will highly benefit as well.

You might be wondering why someone wants to sell his account, probably because that has been red tagged already, or that account has been banned already in some campaigns. So you better think a lot of times if you still want to buy or just follow what everyone is doing, that is starting from a scratch and work on it to increase your rank or position in the forum.

I noticed that creating multiple accounts isn't an offense but using it to abuse the merit system is where the problem lies. And there's one thing thats normal in this Forum, and that's assuming what we don't know, that's what I love about life, what you don't know is bigger than you. I can't say much about you saying this is my alt. Good thing you used the word might .



Well I'll agree with you on that and even if there's no sig campaign I still think we have people who will have to drop answers, so I don't think is always about completing weekly quota, we have people that just love to post no matter what (being in a campaign or not).

This is merit abuse and you should not do it.
Many things are not mentioned in the official rules thread. Sending merits to your alt account is not forbidden in the forum. But, the community sees it as abuse because it IS abuse. The forum does not moderate scams. But you can still advertise scams and you won't get banned for that. But the community will likely give you negative feedback. Similarly, forum do not forbid account selling, but if you get caught buying/selling accounts, you will be tagged by the community members. There might be some other rules, but I do not remember them.

Now, one more important point. While some people speculate you are not a newbie but an account farmer, I would like to believe you are not. Judging from your merit history, you have some skills and you are likely to earn a lot of merits with the knowledge you have. Knowing programming is not everyone's job. If you know something special that everyone don't know, you can make yourself a special one. Try to contribute in this forum positively and you can become another discovery of the year.

Thanks to everyone who answered. I don't intend to buy any account. I'll keep asking whatever I want. And I'm newer to this than I was to s** at 16.

I am just knowing that people are treated with leniency during the holidays, that's nice. By the way, the forum is becoming less powerful on a daily basis. If this was my newbie days, the Op might not survive this.

There's no problem creating new account, as I am also certain that your account might be an alt and you might also not be a woman. Where I see the problem is pretending to be absolutely new in the forum when they are not.

There are still absolute newbies and saying that a newbie will drop a random newbie question without receiving an answer is something that cannot happen in the forum in as much as there's still signature campaigns paying for post quota.

I don't seem to understand why we have brand new accounts created by existing members everyday and they go about acting like they don't know what goes on in the Forum, they ask questions they know the answers to.
These days I don't see any newbie as Newbie , I won't blame some of these people but I have that feeling that one day some silly questions will be asked by the supposed newbies and no one would care to answer.

I just got to know that account selling and buying is allowed in this forum, it's been what almost 3 years now, that I have spent on this forum and till now I thought buying and selling was not allowed because whenever I saw a person buying or selling an account it got tagged and even red tagged, and after that there remains no use of the account. Well, I did some research from my side too and yeah, theymos has said that:

At what point did you see and believe that he was a newcomer? We have ten newbies with extensive farming experience every day. Have you seen newcomers gain merit so quickly? There have been many liars on the forum pretending to be anyone, so it's worth reminding this newbie that "ignorance is no excuse." Now is the time of holidays, and we should close our eyes to many things, but to respect the members of the forum, you should adhere to the rules and therefore read them before doing anything.

Some people may see it as a normal thing that goes on in the Forum but I don't know why such should be allowed to go on but you guys at the top knows best.
Another thing about sell account is that after selling an account to a different user, why can't the username be changed so that if anything goes wrong it won't be said that it was the previous user that did what ever went wrong? Can't something like that be done since it seems like 65% of the Forum members are in support of it.

I'm not sure that why you are asking a question like that? I know that buying and selling of accounts isn't prohibited on this forum but it's highly disliked by the community and if someone buys or sells accounts then that member and the bought accounts will get tagged by the reputed members for that unethical action. Even from ethical point of view, something like that is not good and a good member who wants to be on the forum should never think about such things.

There are many good and active members of the forum who have contributed a lot to the forum. They get hurt when they see new users who came out of no where buying accounts from account sellers and then pretend to be ranked members by using those bought accounts. The quality of the posts will change when a new user uses a ranked account. People are only interested in buying ranked accounts because they want to earn a lot of money from signature campaigns.

There's nothing wrong in earning money from signature campaigns but only for those who have been active on this forum for a long time. They contribute a lot of information and knowledge to the forum via their posts. Someone with less knowledge can buy an account but it won't make that person a ranked person truly because the new person don't know much about Bitcoin or about this forum and is only interested in earning money. Such users tend to create more spam and they don't understand that what they are doing.

You are a newbie, you may not be knowledgeable about the forum or about the Bitcointalk community and that's why you are asking such questions. I recommend you to never do something that isn't ethical in nature because a human's ethics and moral values are more precious than anything. I think you already got your answer and that's why I suggest you to lock this thread for the good.

Hey, leave OP alone, he is a newbie not familiar with how we do things here, if he merited his alt, doesn't matter, now he knows it's against community standards, from now on, he won't do it again.

So meriting to own accounts, selling accounts is against community standards, please refrain from doing that again.

Bingoo! You do admit it's your alt account then.

Check this thread: Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ

Using multi account is allowed, but sending Merits to your own accounts is considered Merits farming which is not allowed.

No you cannot lose your merits with any case but however you can loss your rank if you lose too much of your activity. So how can one lose their activity? If you delete your posts or any mods delete your posts (too much), that can cause the activity to fall down AFAIK.  

Also, when sending someone Merits, you are not sending them your own Merits. But what you send is called sMerits (It's different). It's generated when you earn Merits. For example if you earn 10 Merits you get 5 sMerits (half) which you can sent to others.

I was surprised as well but it's arguable reasonable. Someone might be tired of his account and wants to dispose of it, and through marketing get to sell it. But it will be fair and also fine if the person who bought the account can maintain the quality, after all, it's the username we are talking about, not a big deal, anyone can still work it. The big deal here is to continue to add value to the forum through your quality posting. However, one could be scammed through it in my thinking, of course, every seller does not come with genuine intentions.

Yes, they exist truly, and there are some that are even marketing it on the forum in the service section. Of course, if there is a seller, there should be a buyer, and this is what encourages them to do more in the forum. As for the amount the accounts are being sold for, I believe it depends on the sellers and the buyers. I witnessed one listing of about $45-57 for the top-level memberships, but I can't remember the package vividly anymore. Some could advertise multiple accounts at once too, which means they are farming the accounts for that purpose which I believe is very wrong.

I don't know what things are illegal in this forum. So please tell me if I broke any rules.
I discovered that you don't lose merit when sending merit. I read how smerit works. To test it out I created aleph1 to dump all my smerit in and recovered half of it.

For someone who is a just brand new account getting 23 merit with just a single post single activity is kind of (highly) suspicious. If it were a rank ranked member that would have been different story. But with brand new, it's naturally that people (we) will think it's an alt, and most likely it's an alt account.

I don't know if it's a pure mistake done by OP or not. But just as Lucius said, it's not an accusation, but his personal opinion (Which is also what I believe).

I remembered there was a user from Pakistan (if I remember correctly), who accidentally gave 22 merits instead of 2 merits, later he made a post. And everything settled before anyone though of anything negative. So maybe OP should/should have made things clear before any misunderstanding occurs/occurred.

@aleph1 was just an experiment.

I tend to post the first thing that goes through my mind, so I respect and like when other people do so as well!

It is explained in the list of forum rules and guidelines why buying and selling accounts are not prohibited but it is frown upon doing so in this forum. If ever the account is proven to be bought or sold then it will surely get red tagged or having negative trust. Anyway, you seem interested in this matter and it made me think you are planning to buy an account or maybe sell an account and just to be safe then you created this thread to gather information if it's allowed or not allowed to sell accounts. I don't have any proof to show or provide to my claim but it is what my guts tell me. Anyway, I have nothing against you and I am only sharing what I think and what I feel about this.

This is just more proof that the OP is not a beginner, and that @aleph1 very likely belongs to him, and that he is in the construction phase of making very successful alt farm so far. If I had to bet whose alt accounts those are, I'd put a big bet on someone who has been the main topic on the Reputation board for months.

Of course, this is not an accusation, just my personal opinion.

Not necessarily, not always. But I am suspicious of anyone who buys an account, and I have reflected this in feedbaks I have left. Not everyone agrees but if I see that an account has changed hands for me it deserves a red tag. Can't you create an account and rank up as the rest of us have done? Wanting to take shortcuts tells me that person is not to be trusted.

It's not prohibited, but I always wonder why a person buys accounts and I only find one answer: scamming people.

The objective of participating in the forum is to meet people, network, and to do this you need to build image and reputation. All of this takes time.

And even for those who buy to use a type "password for the next level". I say: other people notice and your credibility disappears. End of the game. Not worth it.

I've seen threads where accounts where accused of being bought and tagged because members found that there is enough evidence that the account is no longer handled by the original owner of the account and I've seen someone admitting that they bought the account.

I don't think anyone really knows, as you have said, the offers you saw looked like scams.

The offers look like a scam because they sellers were tagged. If you go to service board and create such a thread of selling account, your profile will also be painted with red even if you actually want to sell accounts genuinely.

If I may ask, are there still clean accounts for sell? I guess some of the accounts for sell are accounts with reputational issues.

Now, you have to beg Apocollapse to stop digging more. Maybe any post that has few lines of code in them deserves any amount of merits.

Who knows? I don't know since I never buy or sell an account. But I know the average price for each rank.

Full Member : $1
Senior Member : $2
Hero Member : $3
Legendary : $4

Do you think this post deserved to get 23 merits?, that's the first post of brand new user who registered in December 17, 2023. @OP is also a brand new user who earn a lot merit from his first post, so... do you get what I mean?

Op, I take it your time capsule project didn't go well, is that why you have decided to get into account sale business? Lol.

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Jokes aside, even though it's allowed, but it's frowned upon even to talk about it, so, no we have no safe method to suggest. Sorry. Besides, you are a developer, better stick to what really can change the world. Developing new things.
Unless of course you have also developed a dedicated auction system to safely do this?

If you had written something like this a few years ago, it would have been enough for some DT members to paint your profile red - and even now if you ask such a question, it is a completely legitimate question why you are interested in it - and the only logical answer is that you might want to buy BTT account.

I don't know if you're just playing a beginner who wants to give the impression that he's interested in these kinds of things, or if you have a tactic that helped you get more merits in a very short period of time than some others in a few months.

Why even buy at all?

Account buying and selling is always discouraged. If any DT member sees anyone using a bought account he/she will tag that user instantly. I wouldn't even create such a topic and discuss about it.

Yeah, that's exactly the point. Why take the risk when you can rank up on your own, if you had the dedication and patience. Not worth the hassle.

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Just look at yourself, OP. With just only 12 posts you were able to earn 59 merits. That is more than an achievement. You'll reach higher rank in no time. 

Safe from whom, dishonest buyers/sellers? There is no guaranteed way, at least use escrow, that is if someone is willing.
Safe from investigation? Maybe, once purchased, don't use that account ever.
Most people who know how this forum works, they wouldn't consider buying an account. It's like buying an activated time bomb.

Is there a way to safely buy/sell accounts? A dedicated auction site or something? How is the transaction done?

People are willing to pay a higher amount on any account depending on how much they feel they can make with the account before the account gets boasted.
 
If it's an account that has a name on the forum and it's kind of like almost every manager wants to enrol in their campaign, then it will have a higher bid on them, and people will be willing to pay thousands of dollars for it because they know what they will earn from it.
 
But there is one thing that people fail to undertake about an account and the reason why they tag a sold account here. When I build an account, I build it based on how I want it to replicate me here, so if someone wants to hire the account for something, they are hiring it based on who they feel is behind the account, so if the account changes hands, then the account will no longer be worth what it was supposed to be worth.
 
You can sell an account, but you can't sell the brain behind it. If you can't maintain the idea the original owner had on that account, then the account might be half useless unless the change is not noticed on time.

I was surprised to see that buying and selling accounts is not prohibited in this forum. But looking into it I only saw offers that looked like scams (based on the red alert that flags on top of them).

So I'm wondering if there truly are account sellers. Or even buyers! Is this a liquid market? How much would someone pay on average for a M/Full M/Sr. M/Hero M/L account?