How HAVELOCK is one of the OWNERS of ASICMINER/AMHASH

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Quote from: AirWolf on March 15, 2015, 08:13:18 AM

Sebastian, read this part again:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=235763.msg2687134;topicseen#msg2687134
http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/comments/1ye2wp/tat_investments_am1am100smg_update/

They not only have the shares but have information that we don't and they don't release it also:

So its really only that they own enough shares to have a board seat and that they traded their own parts of the share on their own exchange? That doesnt make them responsible in any way as long as they did not make the decisions for AM/AMHASH. And as a shareholder with board seat they were in no position to decide how things are done in these projects. How could they be responsible?

I see that its tempting to find someone to get compensation back but shareholders without a saying in the company cant be taken as the ones at fault that have to compensate. They would be victims the same way and no one would have kept you from offering your own shares as your private passthrough. That still wouldnt make you someone who is responsible for the acts of the company.

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Quote from: monbux on March 15, 2015, 09:25:14 AM

Instead of reading all the pages of drama, could someone legit please summarize what happened? Did havelock actually go bad?

Your "legits" were the ones that lured people into AMHASH, read all the threads then...

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Instead of reading all the pages of drama, could someone legit please summarize what happened? Did havelock actually go bad?

AirWolf

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Quote from: SebastianJu on March 14, 2015, 04:07:27 PM

Airwolf... isnt Havelock only the owner of shares then? Till now it only looks like they own shares but i dont see why you think they have more to say in AM/AMHASH than any normal shareholder with seat. Besides that you own an exchange and you let your shares be traded as passthroughs. So you might be able to change the price. Or stop trading to protect the price. Why do you think they are more? Sorry if i dont get it yet.

Sebastian, read this part again:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=235763.msg2687134;topicseen#msg2687134
http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/comments/1ye2wp/tat_investments_am1am100smg_update/

They not only have the shares but have information that we don't and they don't release it also:

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From: "Funds @ Havelock Investments" <[email protected]>
To: "'Air Wolf'" <[email protected]>
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Subject: RE: AMHASH SOLUTIONS
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From: Air Wolf [mailto:[email protected]]=20
Sent: viernes, marzo 06, 2015 12:44 PM
To: Funds @ Havelock Investments
Subject: Re: AMHASH SOLUTIONS

First of all, and before clarifying your statements: Are you in active
and sustained contact with AMHASH people capable of taking this kind of
decisions?

AirWolf

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Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 15, 2015, 07:23:37 AM

Havelock why won't you stop lying? Why?? Cry

The don't stop lying because they have a lot to hide and don't want people to realize that they are responsible too and should return the money, also, THEY PROFITED FROM THIS TRADING, and the least decet thing they could do is to return that money.

But as i have proved, they are not decent.

BlindMayorBitcorn

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Havelock why won't you stop lying? Why?? Cry

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Quote from: havelock on March 15, 2015, 12:24:24 AM

MrTeal, we don't own any AM shares...

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February 19th, 2014 - IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

On March 1, 2014, TAT Investments will transfer control of the AM1, AM100, and SMG listings at HavelockInvestments.com to the direct control of Havelock Investments.
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All underlying assets that represent these passthrough shares will also be transferred to Havelock. The direct shares will be held at 1J5fvfUrDcZj8rrpVHMgn8u7sXee84QkPd.

This also means that ThickAsThieves will no longer hold a board seat with ASICMINER, and a representative from Havelock will instead.

NEOBEE is not changing operators.

-- https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=AM1&action=getupdates

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MrTeal, we don't own any AM shares, we do the same as 796.com we hold the pass through shares so people can trade the shares between them. Shareholders would email friedcat with their address and request a move to Havelock's address. The instructions are in the fund overview page for the AM Fund.

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Not that it really matter much since Havelock and the whole unregulated Bitcoin exchange market is a bunch of amateurs playing Stock Ticker, but you could make the argument that HL isn't the owner of the AM shares, and it's really the people holding AM1 and AM100 that pseudo-Bitcoin-own them. You should probably expand your list of people to send the Russian mob after to include everyone who holds AM shares directly and on Havelock.

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^So Sebastian, still hangin' with Ukyo on IRC? Stackin' crazy cheddar? You two BFF yet?
Seriously tho, how is it you still opine on money matters, after falling for just about every scheme on Bitcointalk?

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Airwolf... isnt Havelock only the owner of shares then? Till now it only looks like they own shares but i dont see why you think they have more to say in AM/AMHASH than any normal shareholder with seat. Besides that you own an exchange and you let your shares be traded as passthroughs. So you might be able to change the price. Or stop trading to protect the price. Why do you think they are more? Sorry if i dont get it yet.

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Havelock, I think you got some serious explaining to do if you know what's better for you or at least if you even plan to stay in the business Angry

As of now it still seems these chinese asicminer scammers who stole our money, but please take notice that clouds are above your head, i am just a little fish, but there are people that invested way more, and are not so forgiving as I am. Wink

BlindMayorBitcorn

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Canadian scammers don't even bother covering their tracks. You people are being pwned by amateurs Roll Eyes

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^Right, because totally not James

Quote from: Korbman on November 19, 2013, 03:48:33 PM

Quote from: havelock on November 19, 2013, 03:11:41 PM

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Thank you for catching this error.
...

*Facepalm*
lol, I told James about this on IRC minutes after he published the docs the first time around Cheesy

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Quote from: havelock on March 14, 2015, 11:59:32 AM

Lightbox just supplies the servers and software to the Panama Fund. You yourself closed your fund at Havelock since it was no longer profitable to continue it. You did a good job of communicating it. Unfortunately not all Fund managers were as transparent as you were.

As you can review from past posts TAT Investments transferred not sold the exisitng virtual shares of AsicMiner to a block chain address to be managed by Havelock. We never actually owned directly any AM shares or AMHASH shares.

Airwolf is frustrated as we are at the current situation with AM. However as you know we don't have custody of any of the Bitcoins raised by AM or AMHASH.

From day 1 when Airwolf has contacted us all he used were physical threats to James and his Family. We tried to advise him that communicating threats of violence is a crime and we offered a chance to take those threats back as he had made them under obvious distress.

As you know since you have used our platform, we can't stop a person from signing up, depositing Bitcoins and purchasing units of a Fund for exchange for Bitcoins. Those Bitcoins move to the control of the Fund manager and are withdrawn by them.

I figured as much, thanks for clarifying.

I'm impartial to the whole ASICMiner / AMHASH situation as I have no investments in either anymore, so I'm shying away from participating in that conversation. Bringing up James, however, is a different story, since it's well known he know longer operates Havelock. I see it fairly often that people tend to forget this (either intentionally or they never knew in the first place).

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@lightbox:
Burnside got off easy because was pro & knew when/how to bail. You got greedy--thought you can step right into his [still toasty] shoes. You're no Burnside tho--no happy endings for you.

*But not gonna lie, funny to watch.

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There is no money left...it is over.

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Quote from: SebastianJu on March 14, 2015, 11:57:46 AM

AirWolf... what is your conclusion out of this? Havelock is unsecure or the owner has something to do with the problems of Asicminer? I mean i can see why someone wants to hide when running an unregistered exchange. Im only not sure whats the problem if Havelock is one of the owners of asicminer/amhash. Because they stopped trading for it?

The owner has to do with this whole scam, i think that it was planned from long ago, read Rockxie in this post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10764748

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The start of AMHash:

Around November 2014, the price of Bitcoin was low, and the competition in the manufacturing of ASICS was speeding and heating up. Manufacturers could not complete their sales project properly, and the manufacturing profit was at an all-time low. From previous experiences, there are 2 ways to clear up the stock quickly: To sell them or to use them ourselves. But due to the switch to large-scale and industrialized mining, the reality is a combination of the 2 methods previously stated: For the manufacturer to set it up themselves, and then sell the hashpower to customers; this way, the stock can be cleared, the cost can be earnt back + a little more, and a bit of maintenance fee.

TAT itself announced that HL now owns part of AM/AMHASH, ergo, HL is part of AMHASH, AND HAS TO RETURN OUR MONEY
http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/comments/1ye2wp/tat_investments_am1am100smg_update/

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Quote from: havelock on March 14, 2015, 11:59:32 AM

Korbman,

Lightbox just supplies the servers and software to the Panama Fund. You yourself closed your fund at Havelock since it was no longer profitable to continue it. You did a good job of communicating it. Unfortunately not all Fund managers were as transparent as you were.

As you can review from past posts TAT Investments transferred not sold the exisitng virtual shares of AsicMiner to a block chain address to be managed by Havelock. We never actually owned directly any AM shares or AMHASH shares.

Airwolf is frustrated as we are at the current situation with AM. However as you know we don't have custody of any of the Bitcoins raised by AM or AMHASH.

From day 1 when Airwolf has contacted us all he used were physical threats to James and his Family. We tried to advise him that communicating threats of violence is a crime and we offered a chance to take those threats back as he had made them under obvious distress.

As you know since you have used our platform, we can't stop a person from signing up, depositing Bitcoins and purchasing units of a Fund for exchange for Bitcoins. Those Bitcoins move to the control of the Fund manager and are withdrawn by them.

Havelock

LIAR!, EXPLAIN THIS!:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=859 TAT itself names you as the owner!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10754241 Here is your Panama Fund shelf company!
http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/comments/1ye2wp/tat_investments_am1am100smg_update/ TAT itself announces that are part owner of AM/AMHASH and NOT BY PENNIES!

THIEF!

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Quote from: Silverspoon on March 14, 2015, 12:06:34 PM

Quote from: Korbman on March 14, 2015, 11:44:56 AM

Quote from: Silverspoon on March 14, 2015, 08:48:28 AM

Oh, you!

Hmm, interesting, I didn't see that until now.

Checked my past correspondence with Havelock (from 2012, while James was still in charge) and the headers also point to the Lightbox.org mail server. DNS and MX records also check out. If I had to guess, company ownership was transferred to Panama to forego any regulations, but the existing infrastructure / setup was left in place. The Panama corp could then pay for hosting (since that's what Lightbox Technologies does) instead of moving everything to their own servers.

Odd, if you're looking to distance yourself after the sale of the site, but not totally unreasonable. Obviously this is speculation, and obviously I expect this will turn into a super conspiracy in the next 2-3 posts.

No. this is how it works:
1. Buy a Panamanian shelf<==not vouching for this, simply the first google result; should be ~$800-1200, depending on complexity, age & cleanliness.

2. Tell your marks the the business has been sold to a Panamanian corp.

  2a. Remember not to use the same folks to buy your second shell/shelf, because total n00b mistake:

3.

4. PROFIT!!!

EXACTLY! this is a very old scheme!

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Quote from: Korbman on March 14, 2015, 11:44:56 AM

Quote from: Silverspoon on March 14, 2015, 08:48:28 AM

Oh, you!

Hmm, interesting, I didn't see that until now.

Checked my past correspondence with Havelock (from 2012, while James was still in charge) and the headers also point to the Lightbox.org mail server. DNS and MX records also check out. If I had to guess, company ownership was transferred to Panama to forego any regulations, but the existing infrastructure / setup was left in place. The Panama corp could then pay for hosting (since that's what Lightbox Technologies does) instead of moving everything to their own servers.

Odd, if you're looking to distance yourself after the sale of the site, but not totally unreasonable. Obviously this is speculation, and obviously I expect this will turn into a super conspiracy in the next 2-3 posts.

No. this is how it works:
1. Buy a Panamanian shelf<==not vouching for this, simply the first google result; should be ~$800-1200, depending on complexity, age & cleanliness.

2. Tell your marks the the business has been sold to a Panamanian corp.

  2a. Remember not to use the same folks to buy your second shell/shelf, because total n00b mistake:

3.

4. PROFIT!!!

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Korbman,

Lightbox just supplies the servers and software to the Panama Fund. You yourself closed your fund at Havelock since it was no longer profitable to continue it. You did a good job of communicating it. Unfortunately not all Fund managers were as transparent as you were.

As you can review from past posts TAT Investments transferred not sold the exisitng virtual shares of AsicMiner to a block chain address to be managed by Havelock. We never actually owned directly any AM shares or AMHASH shares.

Airwolf is frustrated as we are at the current situation with AM. However as you know we don't have custody of any of the Bitcoins raised by AM or AMHASH.

From day 1 when Airwolf has contacted us all he used were physical threats to James and his Family. We tried to advise him that communicating threats of violence is a crime and we offered a chance to take those threats back as he had made them under obvious distress.

As you know since you have used our platform, we can't stop a person from signing up, depositing Bitcoins and purchasing units of a Fund for exchange for Bitcoins. Those Bitcoins move to the control of the Fund manager and are withdrawn by them.

Havelock

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AirWolf... what is your conclusion out of this? Havelock is unsecure or the owner has something to do with the problems of Asicminer? I mean i can see why someone wants to hide when running an unregistered exchange. Im only not sure whats the problem if Havelock is one of the owners of asicminer/amhash. Because they stopped trading for it?

Korbman

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Quote from: Silverspoon on March 14, 2015, 08:48:28 AM

Oh, you!

Hmm, interesting, I didn't see that until now.

Checked my past correspondence with Havelock (from 2012, while James was still in charge) and the headers also point to the Lightbox.org mail server. DNS and MX records also check out. If I had to guess, company ownership was transferred to Panama to forego any regulations, but the existing infrastructure / setup was left in place. The Panama corp could then pay for hosting (since that's what Lightbox Technologies does) instead of moving everything to their own servers.

Odd, if you're looking to distance yourself after the sale of the site, but not totally unreasonable. Obviously this is speculation, and obviously I expect this will turn into a super conspiracy in the next 2-3 posts.

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And now Havelock is on the run, THEY ARE OFFERING ME 10BTC to just go away:

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From: "Funds @ Havelock Investments" <[email protected]>
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Subject: RE: AMHASH Scam
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If I give 10 Bitcoins would you just go away?

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From: Air Wolf [mailto:[email protected]]=20
Sent: jueves, marzo 12, 2015 17:01 PM
To: Funds @ Havelock Investments
Subject: Re: AMHASH Scam

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Liar, soon i will proof you do and i will ejoy it for sure...

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Quote from: Silverspoon on March 14, 2015, 08:48:28 AM

Quote from: Korbman on March 14, 2015, 08:34:42 AM

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I'd recommend doing a bit more research before accusing people. James sold the platform back in late 2013 to "The Panama Fund" after it was clear Canada was going to push new virtual currency regulations, ultimately closing down Havelock...

Oh, you!

I don't mind the petty criminality, it's the laziness & incompetence that I find particularly offensive.

lel

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Quote from: Korbman on March 14, 2015, 08:34:42 AM

Quote from: AirWolf on March 14, 2015, 07:46:10 AM

JAMES GRANT(HAVELOCK): YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RETURN OF OUR MONEY!

I'd recommend doing a bit more research before accusing people. James sold the platform back in late 2013 to "The Panama Fund" after it was clear Canada was going to push new virtual currency regulations, ultimately closing down Havelock. These regulations came to light in early 2014.

If anything, you should be focusing on the group of Panamanians that have turned the platform to shit over the past year.

Those Panamanians are just "testaferros" or name-lenders, in the eyes of the law, James sold to them, in the practice, he controls and operates all, it is just the same dance with different dress, selling and buying this kind of companies in Panama is why the country is a fiscal paradise for operating shady business. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=859

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Quote from: Korbman on March 14, 2015, 08:34:42 AM

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I'd recommend doing a bit more research before accusing people. James sold the platform back in late 2013 to "The Panama Fund" after it was clear Canada was going to push new virtual currency regulations, ultimately closing down Havelock...

Oh, you!

I don't mind the petty criminality, it's the laziness & incompetence that I find particularly offensive.

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Quote from: AirWolf on March 14, 2015, 07:46:10 AM

JAMES GRANT(HAVELOCK): YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RETURN OF OUR MONEY!

I'd recommend doing a bit more research before accusing people. James sold the platform back in late 2013 to "The Panama Fund" after it was clear Canada was going to push new virtual currency regulations, ultimately closing down Havelock. These regulations came to light in early 2014.

If anything, you should be focusing on the group of Panamanians that have turned the platform to shit over the past year.

AirWolf

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And there is more coming...

AirWolf

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So the chain of ownership is:

Havelock investment has been started by James Grant under Lightbox ownership
    https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10755927
Then he released it, bond him directly to the project and announced that HL is going be purchased by PANAMA Fund
   if you look into Panama fund they have the same fake board members as Crypto Trade Corp which belongs to lightbox
    https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10754241
As of March 2014 James Grant is the admitted owner and operator of Havelock investments:
    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=859
    https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lightbox-859
There was announcement that TAT invest has acquired am shares and sells them through HL.
    https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1994125
TAT owning a seat on ASICMINER, the parent company of AMHASH
    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=235763.msg2687134;topicseen#msg2687134
    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=235763.msg2687134;topicseen#msg2687134
And TAT transferred their seat to Havelock: http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/comments/1ye2wp/tat_investments_am1am100smg_update/

So that proofs that he is deep in this scheme, deeper than he wants anyone to believe...

JAMES GRANT(HAVELOCK): YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RETURN OF OUR MONEY!

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