Topic: How I feel about play to earn games (Read 707 times)

We need to consider times like this when all coins keep dropping in value. Have been happy with gaimin project's idea to allow the use of stable coin to play game and earn reward. The only challenge will come when the coin will be integrated in the game. What is the use case may be like? Another interest is the play to earn should allow an online competitive gave that will allow players from different places in the world online.

The longer the play to earn game lasts in the market, the more clearly their tokens are useless, the more players there are the more worthless the tokens only need players to get the tokens but the tokens cannot be used anywhere because they are only reward tokens.

Those gamers are coming caused by money and no more. Im not seeing any reason why those gamers must stay if the price has been dropping drastically. Their ROI become even longer to get what they have invested. that makes some players even feeling frustated with it.
It can be seen like axie which has been dropping a lot. Its NFT worth nothing right now. I remember when it was worth lots of ethereum

it just won't work. because more and more players enter P2E and all players earn after that collect in large quantities and after that always sell them on the exchanges that have been registered. so the supply in the market will always increase but the demand is not there and will make the price fall even more. because all players only need the reward without thinking about buying and selling when the price goes up.
although the P2E development team is always developing their projects if they do not have a great interest in the market it is very difficult to stabilize, it will tend to fall in price.
remember, the more players there are in P2E, the more rewards will be thrown away and after the price drops they will move to other P2E games and will continue like that

Most play to earn games have poor tokenomics. Plus it's only a matter of time before major game studios introduce their own blockchain games so people won't bother with stupid website based ponzi games anymore. Did you know that SEGA literally has its own blockchain? DeFi will make a comeback because you have to opportunity to generate real yield and that's why I'm dumping my ENJ for MAXX tokens when MAXX finance launches.

Useless or not actually being determined by so many factors. I just remind you as long as the price can be stable and it will always have benefit for the users. In my opinion the reward must able to be traded in the exchange site. the developers can easily listing the token into the dex which will be giving value for the token. that will make the token has some value

The main problem comes when generating revenue out of the P2E games. Firstly they have to make enough money so that they can reward the players.
Secondly they have to generate enough revenue so they can still be profitable. Thirdly they have to keep a track of the markets so they can keep the P2E game at sustainable profits.
Yes all of this is definitely hard and I guess that is why many projects would have failed.

The tokens can be exchange with fiat money. The problem is when there will be no more new users. that means no unique users came to the play to earn game and this will make all of NFT being issued by the developers and old players become useless.
You can see how axie NFT has become garbage nft with no value. The value that came from the hype has gone.,

Well, in the first place you will earn very small on play to earn games but if you have a lot of friends that you invite through referral code it will help you to boost your earnings in the game. As a game, it should entertain us in our free time well that's what a game should be. Just enjoy it without any burden on your shoulder and about the earnings just think that is your bonus by playing it.

Actually, the more players are playing the P2E games, then the more they accumulate the reward tokens whose value will surely plummet if the developer cannot control how they distribute and burn the mechanism just like the Axie Infinity.

It would be much better to avoid P2E games since they are just milking money from investors.

Yes, various people play games for different reasons, including fun and making money In today's economy the second is preferable non fungible tokens enable real world trade on non fungible tokens making the crypto gaming sector worth billions of non fungible tokens Digital economies pay for playing play to earn games are crypto games that enable players to battle breed complete missions and other duties by doing so customers can earn in game currency that can be used to buy nfts or transferred to a cyrpto wallet and sold or traded for real world tokens or currencies this how players get paid for playing crypto games and is a major incentive to do so play to earn games are popular because of this. so i always play game for earning.

   Yes you are wrong, because most players enter a gambling platform to gamble not just for fun. Especially in this time that we are still currently in a pandemic, so most people still hope to get money in an easy way gambling is what most people think is a fast way, although the chances of risk are high for them this is all their solution.

   In truth, there are only a few people who gamble in a game whose purpose is just to have fun, but many still hope that they might get lucky playing gambling and get easy money.

Play to earn games have been adapted before several cryptocurrency coins use this method how to promote their project and try to get interested respond exactly from games, but seems many play to earn games in Cryptocurrency become scam at the least. Keep still worth if another games kind still can earn to play because they have mission depend with your games level account reach become most expensive, but for cryptocurrency games seems not profitable yet right now, after many kinds of games cryptocurrency at the end coins reward price drop drastically and we need purchase NFT card for playing games most expensives.

Except for the part about the games being addicting I do not think you are wrong on what you are saying, games are supposed to be fun and if they are not then they are not accomplishing their main mission, this idea of earning money by playing a game is nothing really new as we have seen this in the world of sports for a very long time, but when the sole purpose of the game is to generate profits and nothing else, while sacrificing the fun aspect which is supposed to be present in every single game, then we can say that such a game is destined for failure and its collapse is inevitable.

I don't know if these grinders that you called are fair to everyone or just abusing the game with their bots spamming all over the map. I don't find it healthy either, they were like a pest in the game to the point that the server will take too much space that's filled with bots that sometimes clogged the server and to the point that the game would crush or you have to wait for the queue in order to join. This is how most P2E games nowadays, filled with cheaters, hackers, and bots.

I don't have a problem only if players will legitimately play the game without abusing it but if they abuse then there's no fun in that way since they give trouble to the players and the developers.

Those people are grinders which are only looking for the profitable game to be played. The main aim to get money for free by playing the game. Those grinders will always be hurting the ecosystem from free to play. They were always abusing the system. The real gamers will never put money as their priority but since this is play to earn for free and then i don't even think we will find the real gamers easily since majority of people wanna get money.

If the game is entertaining then probably that is the reason why players are staying and keep playing the game.  But if the game theme is like axie inifinity and other nft turn base game without any story behind the game then I don't think that player will stay with that kind of game since there is no benefits or whatsoever in playing the game. Most people who jump in to the kind of game like Axie infinity are just aiming to get profit.  If they found out that there is more money to spend than to earn then people will stop playing it.

when starting to play the game it should be fun enough for the players, then earn money in return, and they will be excited to try to get as many prizes as possible, and P2E developers just focus on the hype and looking for players who want to play the games they made with the offer of profit money, but when the price drops drastically where they can only earn a little, these gamers leave

Knowing that this is a cryptocurrency, many people can consciously collect all the rewards by installing the numerous bots available for themselves, which in turn will automatically lower the value of the coins represented by this game. Giving money in return is one of the requirements for making a game addictive. As soon as they can, bot owners will cash out their tokens, which will gradually drive up the price.

OP is not wrong, to be played games should be interesting and fun to play, it's why we get addicted. If developers of the games wish to keep players they need to develop them further and update them from time to time to not become boring. P2E is an interesting concept, I tried a few games in the beginning but they are simply boring and I didn't play them a lot... and I like to play games!

I guess it's expensive to create a good game, we can only imagine how expensive would be to make it P2E! Until now I didn't see any serious project, simple UI, boring gameplay, and a lot of bugs. We will see what the future is bringing, but I am not sure who will invest tons of money in P2E just like that.

The problem is there must need so many trial for the new concept of tecnology to make sure the problem can be solved. The different thing that happened with play to earn project as the developers launching it without even care with the tokenomic and bugs.
There are so many play to earn project already dead caused by the wrong tokenomic that already implemented by the developers.

The OP opinion is not wrong, if the makers of the play to earn game industry today want to develop and not be abandoned by players, they must further improve the quality of their gameplay.
I hope in the future that P2E games can be more fun, so that players are not only satisfied with the prizes they get, but they can also feel very fun when playing the game.
hopefully in the future there will be many P2E games that have big prizes and are very fun to play, so that players feel it is not in vain and are satisfied with spending their time playing the game.
But it will never be easy, let alone to achieve one's satisfaction in playing the game.

Many aims to earn now so they will seem not to waste their time. People only try those earn to play games since they know they can earn. Gamers now are into earning that others use this also to do live gaming or do videos to upload in their social media account or youtube to get viewers and earn on it. If only there will be a better offer in blockchain game to earn that will attract investors and gamers to still use it with much entertaining graphics, rules and a profitable coin that have a strong foundation or use then it can still be patronize by many, but if not many will just intend to play gambling or do content for them to get profit or enjoy.

There needs to be a balance between the two, which can only create fun but not earn money, then I think gamers will choose traditional games. Blockchain games want to attract real players from traditional games, they can't just create an attractive, entertaining game of a game, besides they have to create an environment that can earn money, just like the name of play to earn.

Honestly, this is extremely difficult not easy, as we have seen how quickly previous p2e game projects have failed. It takes a combination of blockchain developers and traditional game developers to create such a game.

OP is kinda right there needs to be fun in the game. Besides that people should focus on the fun part rather than the earning.
Also, it might be that at some point the game will itself become boring and in order for that not to happen the developer should keep bringing flavor to that game.
People will only keep playing as long as it is fun playing the game.

I disagree that people in play to earn games compete to be counted as best of the best and earning is not their motivation to play. I might be wrong, but all play to earn game I've faced are rather primitive. They dont even stand close to regular PC/Console games with competition element (such as CS:GO or strategy games). The only ranking that matters in play to earn games is the amount of earned.

Income becomes secondary if the game puts in a competitive sense into the player. Every human being loves being called the "best of the rest" and being shown a top number on a ranklist, it becomes like an addiction to them and a false sense of being in control over others.

Still these P2E games are often going to hook up kids to games that do no good to their brain, we should be careful of how we propagate these things. Moreover, altcoins should be limited in any investors portfolio and thus new investors should limit these games to a minimum or none at all.

As people keep earning more and more through the game, it ends up in the same condition as faucets have once been.

It will take time yes but as long as the game isn't interesting, isn't fun to play and the player thinks that it isn't worth investing then the building of a sustainable economiy of a P2E game may not come true.  If we observe the previous release of P2E games, they are not actually interesting, not fun and people's aim focus is to cash out and not reinvest on the game.  As a result the game economy collapses because of the inflation of sell pressure while the buy demand deflates.



That is what I am saying, people don't mind spending a huge amount of money if the game is entertaining, has community for socialization and has competition and ranking.  Most of the P2E todays are created for ranking only.  And most of them are created in haste to exploit the hype of P2E and sacrifices many elements to make the game successful.

This is why many crypto projects are jumping on playtoearn games because they can see that great numbers of investors are more interested in the game making it a lucrative business for crypto developers. One of the problems I have seen with some playtoearn gaming projects is that they lack some features that could really bring the idea of the founder of the Metaverse which is Mark Zuckerberg into play. Some developers see this market as a fast source of making good income from crypto investors without achieving the aims of the playtoearn metaverse community.

Source
https://cryptorank.io/

Such pictures do not always correspond to reality, but I know only one of these projects.
About https://www.gameta.pro/#/ I heard for the first time.
If you have statistics on projects move to earn, I would be interested in comparing.

Since the pandemic entered, I just noticed that play to earn games became a trend, and it was immediately enjoyed by various people in every corner of the world. But the income from playing was only short-lived and now I also noticed that the excitement of making money from playing has disappeared and has been replaced by the mindset that the important thing is that you are happy while playing, and I think there is nothing wrong with that.

So I agree with what you're saying and I support you in what you mentioned here. And you don't need to be addicted but be happy while playing.

You're not wrong, that's the essence of playing games. however, some people want to experience both. Many people want to play a good game while making a profit. until now, people are still waiting for it to happen. it's just that, some games that I've played like Axie infinity, and also Plant vs Undead are pretty cool games. however, since Axie and PVU aren't as big of a profit at the moment as they were in the early releases, people are starting to leave it behind now. however, people who invest in an NFT game want to profit from the game while playing the game.
however, if you're just looking for fun from playing games, such as stories, graphics, and so on, I think it's been around for a long time on consoles like playstation, nintendo, or something else.

I think the mix between both fun and money is the best, sort of providing a way for people to earn some money while they playing. Kinda like the old WoW where you can buy gold from pro-farming if you don't have time to farm. People who want to have fun can look up to people that just want to turn their time into money.

Of course, most NFT games and play to earn are completely short on the fun aspect. Everyone who plays that kind of game only cares about money which increases the supply while there is no demand for certain in-game currency peg to crypto. No doubt, after the hype is over, their crypto going to be fall in terms of price cause it's unsustainable under that scheme.

That is because they are just good at the start but as the market changes and of an increase in competition, it turns out that many of these games haven't survived, they are not competitive in the first place. Not really I feel this P2E games will even stay long, most of them gain popularity during the Bull season, I'm not sure if they will still make it in the next time.

Building the sustainable economic might take the time. The problem must on that thing that makes the game can't sustain for long term. I have seen so many play to earn games have dead caused by such thing. It needs the time for the developers to make experiment to make sure if it can create a formula that will make play to earn mechanism can be very sustain for long term. This will be good for people too

Good idea for game fans, we can earn by playing games, nowadays there are many big projects that pay to game players, of course this is a good big idea and mutually beneficial.

If we are active it will be easy for earnings and this is equivalent to working in the office.

I feel like most of the games are boring and repetitive though I haven't played any of them. People should be playing those games for fun and the rewards should be considered something extra. But it looks like more people are in for the rewards than the games itself, hence the developers aren't focusing much on the games.

It used to be profitable back when it was considered new and was hyped a lot. More during the early covid days. Even heard people from least developed and developing countries were able to making living out of it. But right now too many people are trying to do the same and hence the reward value isn't the same anymore.

that's the thing with these kind of games that revolves around NFT they usually don't have matured economy model that's why so many of them are getting left out by its users easily, their reward isn't sustaining for long term, moreover their value comes out of trend and isn't coming from some real innovation. Once their reward isn't sufficient enough their games gets abandoned quite easily by their users, that's the lifecycle of such games that revolves around giving rewards to increase its coin values.

if say find a game to attract and enjoy, there is no p2e game that meets that requirement. all focus on creating tokens, nft to sell to players, and developers don't focus on building complete games. that's why p2e games only attract investors, amateur gamers with the main goal of making money, they can't attract real players.

even op, he joined p2e with the aim of making profit but since it didn't bring the desired profit he seems a bit disappointed. if he is a gamer will definitely leave p2e projects immediately

p2e is a potential niche in the market, but to survive they need to fix a lot of things. should not be too focused on making a profit, but should know how to balance the two accordingly, both to entertain players and help players earn money

The fun shouldn't be gone and that's why they're called games, they should be entertaining and you should have fun with it. But the NFT games/p2e has brought that idea to the people that while playing, you can earn and it all happened during the bull run.
Now, the constraint is that those investors/players that have experienced it won't be contented anymore with the profit that it can give to everybody because we've been used to how big the profits way back then.

If you like conspiracy theories, then Play to Earn is a future model for managing people that doesn't evoke negativity.
Completed daily tasks, at the end of the month you received an unconditional basic income. It may sound ridiculous, but it works.

There is none because most of the play-to-earn games released in the previous hype of P2E are designed in the same way as Ponzi Scheme,  Initial buyer gets to profit from the upcoming buyer, and so on.  Most of the game released are not enjoyable and is focused on selling the NFT character created for the game.  It entices the player not because of the game features but because of the promised profit.

Who would enjoy a turn-based rpg game without any story behind it and a time interval battle to beat mobs to earn a reward.  If the P2E game developer creates a game like WEMADE did and is able to limit or nullify bots, I think the potential of P2E will be huge.  Even axie infinity is boring and I feel that it is a half-baked game and is lucky enough to be the pioneer to exploit the P2E and NFT trend.

That's the problem we are facing right now, the play to earn games are not made to be played on the long run, it was made to make money to the creator and that's why they are thrown together too quickly. Reality is that if we managed to build something that is risky, then we are investing into something risky as well, creators are making games that are half finished, or maybe not even finished.

Look at Star Citizen, it collected so much money, insane amount of money so far and they do not even have a game, they have some trailers which I can build for under a thousand dollars, which means that people are investing into thinks that are troubling at all.

Well of course it can't be infinite otherwise people will.learn how to game the system and exploit it.  Games will always come down to the playability.  I mean they have faucets which are free money but no one can continually just go to faucets, its like watching paint dry.  Play to earn still needs to have a good game for it to be successful.  The pay is the bonus but if it's unplayable then it will ultimately fail in the end.

well it is better to play the game or decide to play the game when we are really hooked and interested in the game. and not because of the income offered. because if we are already interested in the games we play. sometimes we don't really care about the income from the game. but unfortunately it is rare for P2e games to attract gamers. because most of the p2e games tend to be monotonous and undeveloped. because the devs only focus on making players captivated by income and they are not optimal in building games to be more interesting so gamers are more interested in playing the game than producing it.

If you are new to these online games regardless if it's a Play-to-Earn or a common online game, you will really have that mindset that it's a failure if you didn't meet your expectations. The key to enjoying the game you decided to play is actually, you really hooked on that game and not because you saw others are getting profits on that game.

If you are just riding the trend without any knowledge, you are not ready yet to face the risks.

Play to earn needs to gain importance similar to normal gaming. When we sit for hours and at the end of we don't get anything, it disappoints. When we spend as playing a game, and when rewarded there'll be satisfaction. Read in an article about a school kid from a third world country daily spending hours after school to earn something. The play to earn games have supporting his life, because his father is a drunkard and doesn't support the family financially. He and his brother does it for life, and I don't know will this turn to be addiction in the long run.

You cant really tell because even if it wasnt enjoyable but as long people could make earnings then they would be definitely dealing or engaging on it no matter what and snipping out money as much as they could.

But we know that the real essence of these P2E is that you do really need to invest on something to make yourself able to start up which is totally opposing on what you do know about play to earn.Its not the
main concept but rather it is really just been covered up with that kind of title.

Games now existing are utterly shit or useless because they do eventually die or rugpull in the end.

They will stay if they won't consider earning prizes as their goal from doing this. But as I see, P2E games gain interest from the community even if it was not a gamer because they know that it gives them some money while spending their playing which is an absolute reason. But as the market turn bearish where major P2E gaming sites offer fewer rewards, many gamers had stop and turns out that many of these platforms had also stopped as well.
It found not addictive for me, unlike casinos.

Not actually addicting enough, in order for the play to earn games to sustain its reward, the game should make the player to voluntarily spend money in the game.  P2E may use the ranking system which is done by Axie infinity to reward their players.
Another thing is through competition (aside from ranking).  A seasonal tournament may be a good way to make players spend money to upgrade their character.  Another thing is to develop a social community within the game where they can interact freely.  A guild competition and many more.  Anything that will make their player spend money to support the game ecosystem is needed for the P2E to survive/prosper.


Looking at your reply, why does people spend lots of money on Mobile legends even though they don't offer P2E?  Because the game is entertaining and often triggers a personal ego, or bragging rights  .

So the P2E game should have the needed element to make a player hooked and willing to spend.

Players are just playing this games because they are earning so it’s obvious that they will leave if they don’t get any profit anymore because play to earn game design is not for gaming purposes only. Besides this kind of project source of income and incentives to the players are from the player itself too. They are just liquidating tokens on the orderbook and keep minting the game tokens to rewards players. This kind of reward model is not sustainable if no one is buying tokens while all players is just playing to earn worthless tokens.

P2E games attracted many gamers because of the rewards but look, after a drastic dump of prices where they can just only earn small, these gamers have been gone. For now, real gamers remain and it doesn't matter if they earn money or not because what their mind is to make fun of it and it was not a business for them, unlike those who just come for money.

A good idea because I am a fan of games, can play and earn token, for fans of games, of course this is a good idea, the success of Mobile Legends is certainly worth imitating developers so that it can make a big better project.

Things like that do happen often and it makes some people don't believe in games that make money,
this is normal because it is a form of people's irritation,
better invest our money in the right things to minimize risk

People are buying these items because some of these play-to-earn games make their investors believe that they are going to make a profit from the task they are going to do on their platform, and if you are not getting excited anymore and you are not getting the rewards that you expected you begin to lose interest.

One of my experiences is on DPET, the game is quite boring, it thrives because of the hype and the promised value of the elixir that you can exchange to DPET but look at the price now, and the rewards players are getting, many or the majority of players quit playing here because it's not worth it anymore, the sad part is they can't trade their pets and the rewards will take you years before you get back what you've invested.

The Play2earn platform allows players to earn money with their abilities in certain games.

This ecosystem could become more widespread over time as more and more crypto projects are implementing P2E models. Why?

The crypto world has revolutionized the way users can exchange their skills for monetary gain, make a living and changed the dynamics of the global economy for the future.

Players will never get satisfied because they will "never" get satisfied.
People has a nature that whenever they received a reward, they will find ways to find more, and they don't see the satisfied with the rewards that they're getting.

It's not only in Play to Earn games but all games in general, fun and enjoyment while playing the game matters. There are problems both with the Play to Earn games themselves and the users themselves as well. Play to earn games focuses more on the rewards than the fun. You will see that most of the play to earn games are boring. I still remember Pegaxy where you can just click a few times and then you will just watch you Pega run and run until you win. I mean it's very boring, but people are only playing just because of the rewards. Surprisingly, the project is still developing until now and there has been some updates on it.

On the other hand, users are focusing more on the amount of money that they can get and if they see that they can't get money anymore, they will just quit. I mean people are playing for the rewards and not for the fun. Both the games and the users are focused more on the reward part more than the fun part that's why users are quitting. Overall, there is no 100% working formula right now with play to earn games and we've seen many games who are just doing a rug pull because they see that it isn't sustainable in the long term.

Almost every play to earn game I've seen has had some issues which made them not worth playing. A lot of times you need to invest a significant amount upfront and there is no guarantee you will be able to recoup this. When these games become really popular they get flooded by bots who overwhelm the game servers and cause a lot of inconvenience to real players. The bot owners will cash out their tokens as quickly as possible and end up tanking the price.

No, you are completely right. The current problem with P2E projects is like that, people in crypto are looking for profit more than fun playing the game until in the end the ecosystem on tokens is broken as a whole.

About P2E games themselves, until now I didn't find a game that was really addictive. How come? Since the beginning, P2E developers have only focused on hype and looking for players who want to play the games they made with the offer of money profits.

Maybe we'll see quality P2E projects if the AAA game studios have their own crypto projects

I've been playing onlinbe games, mostly MMORPGs, for a long time and IMO these games are better to earn money compared to P2E crypto games that they are trying to get out in the market. Most of the P2E games that they are trying to get out in the market looks like it was made for kids due to how simple the mechanics are and how childish the art style is. Also, knowing that this is crypto, a lot of people can intentionally farm all the rewards by putting in a lot of bots out there for themselves, which in turn will drastically lower the value of the coins that these games represent. It's not a viable niche as people already know it's a P2E: they'll never enjoy the game and help make it big. They're just there for the rewards and that's it.

See, that's the bad thing that could happen when you incorporate an earning mechanism to an online game. People are not motivated to play the game and be competitive to have fun, instead they are motivated to earn more and to take back what they spent asap.
P2E is never ever sustainable in terms of game economy.
Devs are only creating games that doesn't even make sense as long as there is an earning mechanism to it. That only makes the game less enjoyable.

Any game that got your fancy and it's quite challenging, there is every possibility to get addicted to it, whether there is pay or not add to it.
I normally take the earnings in P2E games as a bonus to my performance whenever am playing Axie.

According to my friend that knows about developing P2E. He told me that building a P2E game is not easy job. It takes a lot of resources to get it done. He have seen so many projects that abandoned their P2E games along the line. We shouldn't blame them when the less concerned to update the P2E game functions

I also think that this is the big issue with all those play 2 earn games that are out there right now. I think the main goal for every game developer should be that the game is fun to play if it is a play 2 earn game or not. I also think that sadly this was not the case for almost all of the play 2 earn games out there. They were designed around tokenomics and how to create as much demand for the game token and the NFT's as possible.
Most "real" gamers that are playing video games (not mobile crap games) are also very much against NFT's and play 2 earn and stuff like that so i don't think that we will see play 2 earn mechanics in any AAA game soon.

The game has to be addicting enough to compensate the proportion between players who are playing for money against players who are playing for fun. This way, players playing for fun will maintain the economy stable and sustainable. That is what happens in popular mmorpgs where players practice the called RWT/RMT (real world trading or real money trading). Although it's officially forbidden by the games, this practice has proven to work and to be profitable along the years for the people involved on it.

We need to be careful around play to earn projects because most of them do not care about their players, they released unfinished work and grab some quick money, the safest play to earn is still Gala games since it combines the majority of games into one box, they operate like the steam we all know.

I think play to earn games are the future but the ones that I see being the most successful will come from Blizzard and EA and other large game studios. In the meantime you can profit from GameFi by investing in GameFi specific L1 and L2's, like ENJ and ICP and IMX.

The game should be quite addictive, and it's true. If people feel comfortable playing the game and can't quit easily, they won't consider the payouts or prizes the game can get because it's a bonus. But if someone sees an opportunity to get a prize from the game, they will be eager to try to get as many prizes as possible, making them chase it relentlessly. So it will depend on how people play that one game, how they can enjoy it, and their goals for playing that game.

I wouldn’t call them as P2E games anymore. Gamefi would be better. The ecosystem of these games are not supposedly designed for you to make a living while playing (unless you are workiing directly with a gaming company and was paid a fixed salary for playing). It is supposed to be for fun.

Time to change the narrative, but it will take a long while. What I mean is that we change our mindset that these games are for fun but with the edge of owning items as NFTs that can be sold in the open marketplaces later on. Just my own opinion guys.

Most game developers cannot make it happen because they just wanted to make money as fast as possible and they don't care about the progress and the idea of their gamers. They may be doing some AMA thing but they don't really care to do the suggestions of the players and games like this often fail in a month or so. I'm referring to the play-to-earn games and most of them refer themselves to NFT while in reality, they've just created the game for pass money. so it's really better to stay out of those games.

You are absolutely wrong, this is why projects failed, a play to earn game must be fun enough for players, that's the only thing that will make them going back to relive the experience, earnings apart, I still prefer playing my Nintendo games today than earning money through axie infinity, its boring.

In my opinion Play To Earn makes playing games more fun, of course not only getting money,
but we also get our own pleasure playing the game, keep your mind off the price of a coin,
because this year the price of altcoins, especially Play To Earn, is still bearish.

A lot of things are required to make a game addictive but giving money in return for it is one of them. Besides most of these coins are not worth the money and hence the main essence is the game and its content.

While major P2E games have never attracted me yet, I am of the opinion that these games are mostly aimed at a still you get audience and not the mature ones who are knowing how to make money in real. Bitcoin faucets could be one thing that was similar but they have long gone dry.

In the next bull run, if play to earn projects failed ot attract players around the world play to earn game on the blockchain will be total failure, right now I still believe in few play to earn projects that are building constantly in the past years but now all of them will be able to deliver.

You are indeed right, games need to be challenging and fun at the same time, I am a gamer myself and the only reason why I keep going back to call of duty warzone is because its fun and very challenging at the same time, maps must be updated and new contents must be introduced per month, this is what keeps players in check.

That's correct.
But, there are cases where big investors are coming in and they spend a lot of money to take advantage of the "earning" system of a game.
Those people/companies will be aiming for rewards so it's necessary to be a profitable game, if not they will just dump it early.

If you are just a play for free - to earn player then don't expect too much. Just enjoy it, if you make some then good for you. That is not something we get years ago when playing online games. Players always pay first before they can even enter. Top-up card system.

The innovation of games that going through play to earn(P2E) has make some of the platform more serious as your Playing while earning and not only to have fun, because most of the game platform token may have a future prospect, which the token may not make sense now, but in the near future it has value.

we are going to find out in the next bullrun, its the only time that theyd again be attractive to players. i have been playing one game but its also not enough to make a dollar a week.

if eth once again will go up to 4k. maybe those players will come back to earn from the game. payout always attract activities. axie players are also disappointed.

That is the biggest problem of playtoearn to solve, the games are not creative, do not bring a real experience to the players. The goal of the projects is just to want players to buy items, NFT to make money, but they are not inclined to entertain in it. P2E projects do not attract the game enthusiasts it is for investors, speculators, so the projects created very quickly depreciate because they will leave the game when it is profitable. P2E needs to know the balance between entertainment and profit to attract players and maintain the game for a long time.

I am a fan of online games in my spare time. and I think your thinking is not wrong.

some time ago I tried a Game Play To Earn. because I think the game will be fun to play. and I will also benefit from playing the game. but in fact I became bored with the game. so I didn't continue it even though from an income perspective it was tempting. but playing it just makes me bored. and forcing a game I don't like really gives me a headache. I hope that in the future there will be games that produce but are also very fun to play. Many Play to Earn games currently only focus on the earning side. but they forget to build fun in the game to attract the attention of gamers who mostly don't care about earning.

The thing with this p2e is that players look for more challenge, and if you have been playing a game for so long that you might get bored and yes, you won't be satisfied as like when you started to play with it in the beginning.

So you look for other games, and then the cycle repeats until such time that the industry no longer has the hype that it once had specially Axie in 2020. Yes, it's need to be addicting at some point so that players will go back and play again and again, but unfortunately, it is not the case.

At the end of it all no play to earn games can gives player the satisfying reward they deserve, there is no unlimited reward in play to earn games, the only thing that matters is how fun the game can get, people needs to feel like ' well I am ok with the fun more than the payout' its not how much people are going to be earning its how much fun people will have. The game needs to be addicting enough. Am I wrong?