How important is working experience, and can it be ignored?

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Quote from: Queentoshi on December 03, 2022, 01:42:16 PM

...how can they get experienced if they are already been disqualified for little or no working experience?

Large companies often hire over-qualified people for dull, boring jobs, what do they actually gain by doing that? If you can, learn about smart contracts, and escape the corporate rat race!

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When it comes to recruiting new employees, years of work experience are a crucial criterion. But in my opinion, it really has made it harder for a lot of young people looking for jobs who have recently graduated from university to land the job of their dreams. I believe that there should be more graduate trainee roles available where candidates can be recruited and trained in the specialized abilities required for the job.

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from experience we learn and that is something important. a person will not be able to change, if he has no experience. that is, when we fail at something, it becomes experience, and failing is the best experience in my opinion because, we can learn from mistakes and try to improve.

Currently, finding a job is rather difficult. but if we take for example, not accepted by a company. then at least, we can still try and not give up.

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Work experience is something that should not be taken lightly. Practice is what builds your resume. It can start off with an internship then to a first paying job. It builds a career or careers to some.

There are advantages that pave the road to building employment skills. Knowing what a work environment is about. One will see what you like and what you do not like. Understanding the ins and outs of a business.

There are so many jobs available the experience you build can set you aside to attain future jobs. Learning and building the knowledge of the future of your life.

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experience is very important. maybe if a company wants people who have a lot of experience because, work must be done by people who are very reliable so that mistakes don't happen. but depending on the level, if the level is a bit low I think they will definitely recruit people even if they lack experience.

depending on the work to be done, sometimes people do need experienced people. but there are also people who don't pay much attention to that.

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a company will hire experienced employees, it's only natural because the boss of the company wants the company to be successful by choosing employees who have long experience in certain fields.
but if someone has the expertise and has work experience in a certain field for 5 years it is long enough and deserves to be accepted in the company. but if someone has 5 years of work experience but is still rejected from the job and only needs 9 years of experience, is that a really big and successful company?
To be honest, I'm a little confused by what you mean by a company that only accepts employees with 9 years of experience

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Quote from: Queentoshi on December 03, 2022, 01:42:16 PM

I came across a post some time ago (not here on bitcointalk), I was not in the forum then too, so I did not take note of the link for discussion, but it was about how many jobs can be taught, so the writer was trying to understand why people get disqualified for little or no working experience in a Job Interview? Recently I came across a job listing that required over 9 years working experience to be qualified, looking at the job description, I didn't see any reason why someone with 5 years working experience was not suitable for it since it was not a job that required special skills and the monthly pay for the job was not encouraging. What is your opinion on eligibility for regular jobs that are based on working experience, do you think they are necessary, and what chances does it give to the young job seekers who are looking to gain experience on a job? how can they get experienced if they are already been disqualified for little or no working experience?

What job would you like to talk about?
Is it a bank manager or a very sophisticated machine operator in a factory?
If you are a good specialist with 5 years of experience, then you should not have problems, but I do not understand what kind of vacancy we are talking about. You work for a company, many people find better paying jobs and they poach good professionals from their old jobs.

True, we do not understand what job you are talking about and what position you are referring to.

Competence in work experience is very important for companies not to take up time in training or work adaptation. I think the job you are talking about is an important part of the company that requires sufficient experience in the job if your friend has the experience that does not match the job offered by the company, no matter how long he has experience in the workplace without any consideration the company will reject the friend's application You.

Work experience is very important for companies because indeed people who already have experience will know how to work in a company, therefore many companies prefer people who have work experience.
I think the case that you find is for key positions in companies like executives, managers, specialized teams and others that require a fair amount of work experience in the job.

What about young workers with little experience?
I think there are not a few job vacancies that require workers who have no experience, you can have experience there even though the position offered is under the company.

If you don't have the opportunity to jump right into a key position in the company, start from the bottom.

There are still important points, this is the time of adaptation in the company, so even an experienced employee will need time to get to know the team and work more efficiently.
For example, in trading there is the concept of a cycle of one sale. I don't know how competently it sounds in English, but for example, if a company sells complex machines for production or builds factories, then the cycle of one sale can take from 6 months to several years. And even a professional with 10 years of experience needs to go this way.
And if you need a insurance seller, then 5 or 10 years of experience will not play a lot of role, but as an employer I will hire a younger worker.

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Experience matters, period.

The more experience you have, the higher your skillset is and the more you're paid. If you're looking for cheap labor, hiring a fresh graduate from an institution of higher learning will get you what you need, but it won't get you an experienced employee. If you're looking for a job, don't expect to be paid the same as someone with experience no matter what your educational background is.

The way institutions of higher learning are ran, you'd think they would teach a bit of critical thinking skills with how much they charge students. Apparently not, you only get those sort of soft skills in the real world in a professional capacity.

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Definitely, working experience is very necessary in securing a job but the years of experience is entirely up to the hiring company to determine. Actually as you have already pointed out, some job don't necessarily need the long years of experience required by the company to effectively carried out, even with 4 years of working in a similar field is enough for anyone to work effectively given the opportunity.
Since there are not many jobs around, some organizations capitalize on it to gain bigger years of experience with minimal pay.

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Quote from: Queentoshi on December 03, 2022, 01:42:16 PM

Recently I came across a job listing that required over 9 years working experience to be qualified, looking at the job description, I didn't see any reason why someone with 5 years working experience was not suitable for it

The restriction is there due to millennials having poor reputations as workers with some business owners.

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Some claim millennials lack critical thought and other necessary qualities to effectively fill some roles in the workplace.

There is also an opposite trend for employers who hire only millennials. They never employ boomers and older generations who they view as being too conservative and right leaning. Irony being what it is, the biggest viewer demographic of CNN and television news is the older boomer generation. While the age bracket might historically be right wing, in the modern era it may be further left.

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Quote from: Queentoshi on December 03, 2022, 01:42:16 PM

I came across a post some time ago (not here on bitcointalk), I was not in the forum then too, so I did not take note of the link for discussion, but it was about how many jobs can be taught, so the writer was trying to understand why people get disqualified for little or no working experience in a Job Interview? Recently I came across a job listing that required over 9 years working experience to be qualified, looking at the job description, I didn't see any reason why someone with 5 years working experience was not suitable for it since it was not a job that required special skills and the monthly pay for the job was not encouraging. What is your opinion on eligibility for regular jobs that are based on working experience, do you think they are necessary, and what chances does it give to the young job seekers who are looking to gain experience on a job? how can they get experienced if they are already been disqualified for little or no working experience?

No company gives job without current experience.If you want to get a job, you must have experience, then you will get a job.Now you have to gain experience in any job you go for.

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Quote from: zasad@ on December 03, 2022, 03:01:10 PM

Quote from: Queentoshi on December 03, 2022, 01:42:16 PM

I came across a post some time ago (not here on bitcointalk), I was not in the forum then too, so I did not take note of the link for discussion, but it was about how many jobs can be taught, so the writer was trying to understand why people get disqualified for little or no working experience in a Job Interview? Recently I came across a job listing that required over 9 years working experience to be qualified, looking at the job description, I didn't see any reason why someone with 5 years working experience was not suitable for it since it was not a job that required special skills and the monthly pay for the job was not encouraging. What is your opinion on eligibility for regular jobs that are based on working experience, do you think they are necessary, and what chances does it give to the young job seekers who are looking to gain experience on a job? how can they get experienced if they are already been disqualified for little or no working experience?

What job would you like to talk about?
Is it a bank manager or a very sophisticated machine operator in a factory?
If you are a good specialist with 5 years of experience, then you should not have problems, but I do not understand what kind of vacancy we are talking about. You work for a company, many people find better paying jobs and they poach good professionals from their old jobs.

True, we do not understand what job you are talking about and what position you are referring to.

Competence in work experience is very important for companies not to take up time in training or work adaptation. I think the job you are talking about is an important part of the company that requires sufficient experience in the job if your friend has the experience that does not match the job offered by the company, no matter how long he has experience in the workplace without any consideration the company will reject the friend's application You.

Work experience is very important for companies because indeed people who already have experience will know how to work in a company, therefore many companies prefer people who have work experience.
I think the case that you find is for key positions in companies like executives, managers, specialized teams and others that require a fair amount of work experience in the job.

What about young workers with little experience?
I think there are not a few job vacancies that require workers who have no experience, you can have experience there even though the position offered is under the company.

If you don't have the opportunity to jump right into a key position in the company, start from the bottom.

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For the minimum level of supervisor or manager, of course, really requires experience, if we only work as staff, it is usually not necessary, even many companies who want to recruit employees who have not experience in the hope more easily directed according to the company. While the level of leadership must certainly have experience so that it can be more quickly adapted to the company.

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Quote from: Queentoshi on December 03, 2022, 01:42:16 PM

I came across a post some time ago (not here on bitcointalk), I was not in the forum then too, so I did not take note of the link for discussion, but it was about how many jobs can be taught, so the writer was trying to understand why people get disqualified for little or no working experience in a Job Interview? Recently I came across a job listing that required over 9 years working experience to be qualified, looking at the job description, I didn't see any reason why someone with 5 years working experience was not suitable for it since it was not a job that required special skills and the monthly pay for the job was not encouraging. What is your opinion on eligibility for regular jobs that are based on working experience, do you think they are necessary, and what chances does it give to the young job seekers who are looking to gain experience on a job? how can they get experienced if they have already been disqualified for little or no working experience?

Experience is the cumulative knowledge of a person's practical work. When hiring, it goes without saying that people are graded according to their experience. This is quite logical. There are positions where minimal experience is enough, and there is an assumption that a hired employee who has a desire will develop, expand his knowledge and gain new experience, increasing his professional suitability. There are many vacancies where experience may not be needed at all, this also happens and this is normal.
But there are vacancies where a lot of experience is required, which cannot be obtained in a short time. For example (IT is close to me), a developer. Can't be a team leader with 6 months experience. More precisely, a person may consider himself such, but he will not be a real specialist. Or developers - a middle programmer, cannot become one, for example, from scratch and after 12 months, he simply physically cannot study, test, and almost hastily use a large list of technologies, frameworks, databases, .. It really takes years.

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The reality nowadays is that most of the crypto companies are preferring those who have experiences than those who are not. Why? Because they have no more time in teaching them the very basics of working in their environment, especially those who are in an urgent rush for some specific tasks to finish on.

No disrespect to the inexperienced though despite that they are willing to learn. They would be really lucky if certain companies are given the chance even if they are not experienced.

As far as I know, network marketing companies are the ones that doesn’t require experience and has willingness to learn, but the downside is that we need to invest rather than looking for a job.

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I think it depends on what job and what tasks are you applying for. Some companies only prefer someone with experience since it is an edge, if you are someone with experience it will save them time to train you since you are familiar with what your responsibilities and tasks are. If you are applying for a managerial position or tasks that is of high responsibility of course they would prefer someone with great experience than train someone starting from the basics. The purpose of the job interview is for them to check if you are qualified for the position, if they think you fit the job that you are applying for they might hire you even without sufficient experience.

Imagine if all jobs would require job experience, how can first-time job seekers find a job? Grin

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For some positions, this is especially important if it is a single position where the company must trust you to be the only one in the position. However, there are several reasons this request can be ignored. Suppose a company wants to revolutionize the management style of a certain section to a fresher or new one, so hiring new graduates is not a problem if they have attractive criteria.

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Quote from: Queentoshi on December 03, 2022, 01:42:16 PM

I came across a post some time ago (not here on bitcointalk), I was not in the forum then too, so I did not take note of the link for discussion, but it was about how many jobs can be taught, so the writer was trying to understand why people get disqualified for little or no working experience in a Job Interview? Recently I came across a job listing that required over 9 years working experience to be qualified, looking at the job description, I didn't see any reason why someone with 5 years working experience was not suitable for it since it was not a job that required special skills and the monthly pay for the job was not encouraging. how can they get experienced if they are already been disqualified for little or no working experience?

As the owner of the company, I wanted to hire an employee that has more experience than others for some reasons.

1. There is no need to train them.
2. I can expect a quality works from the beginning.
3. Saves me money from training them
4. It would give a good portfolio of the company having employee that has 5 years and more exeprience.
5. Less likely to mess up.

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What is your opinion on eligibility for regular jobs that are based on working experience, do you think they are necessary, and what chances does it give to the young job seekers who are looking to gain experience on a job?

They suck on the fresh graduate that is seeking for a job but it is a good thing for employer. They are necessary, but not every company does that. Besides students have their internship/apprenticeship, if they do perfectly well, they can be absorbed by that company.

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Obviously this is quite important in my opinion. because when we are in the scope of work, of course experience is one aspect that is really considered especially in the country where I live because this is indeed a more standard in finding work when we have more experience than fresh graduates, for example.
On the other hand, we also have things that are more like soft skills or maybe we can solve some unexpected problems calmly because we have experienced this before, so experience is clearly very important.

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Depending on the position we need to recruit, if your business needs to hire a manager or director. You cannot choose young people or those who do not have too much experience, but instead must be the most experienced people, because they will also be responsible for running the business for you as well as the survival of the business. On the contrary, in less important positions, we can hire young, dynamic candidates who do not need too much experience because experience can accumulate over time.

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Sometimes it is just the HR or hiring manager that's too exaggerated with the qualifications. You know that these positions can be learned along their way and it depends to the position.

Maybe if it's all about the higher position that's really going to bring the brand of the business, they should be strict and requires more years of experiene.

But what I've noticed is that, they really are just exaggerating this qualifications but that won't stop someone fresh and with less experience to apply and be qualified.

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For now, working experience is a criterion to qualify for a job. I can tell that because I was once in a hiring position and it was one thing I look at when hiring people for the company and usually, it should be related to the job they are applying for. This is to give room for those who have long experience to work without close supervision and of course, to save from spending time in training. It is one benefit that the company gets from hiring them.

Though inexperienced people can still send their applications, however, it was the discretion of the hiring manager to accept them or not. As for me, this is really matters now and every applicant must aware of it especially if you are applying for a skilled and higher position.

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Having some job experience is important, and IMO it doesn't even matter what it is. If you've got little to nothing on your resume, an employer is going to look askance at that and probably will put that resume at the bottom of the pile (assuming there are enough candidates for the job). Even if you worked as a cashier at a grocery store, you've picked up customer service and communication skills in addition to showing someone that you can hold a job.

What's worse is when you've trained for a very specific job and for whatever reason have to change careers. Employers definitely see applicants with advanced degrees as overqualified, and they expect he/she is going to be looking for a new job as possible if they hire them.

Job hunting sucks. There's no two ways about it, and that's why books have been written about the process.

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Good question. And there are two sides of this coin to consider. Conditions do change and they will vary based on the type of job or position you're applying for. The best thing is to ask in the ad or position description what the minimum experience requirements are so you don't waste your time applying for something that you may not have enough skills for. That being said, employers also need to realize that a lack of experience can be easily offset by other skills an applicant has – like talent, hard work, and a good attitude. If a person is great at what they do and passionate about it, most people will find a way to overlook any experience shortfalls.

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Well, picture this; you’re an employer and you need to employ some competent workers to fill in some vacancies in the workplace. You have two choices, employ folks with little or no experience and spend a whole lot of money to train those new employees on how the job is done. Or you could employ folks that has on the job experience and spend little or no money to train them? Your pick.
Employers generally employ people with work experience so as to cut spending on training the new employees. So you could say work experience is important and it gives the applicant an edge over an unskilled and untrained applicant applying for the same position.
In most cases, work experience can’t just be ignored.

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Quote from: Queentoshi on December 03, 2022, 01:42:16 PM

and the monthly pay for the job was not encouraging.

This could be the reason that the work experience requirement is taken to be 9 years. The employer understand that it is a lucrative job in terms of payment and probably other packages and decide to limit prospective employees chances of getting there. They feel the higher work experience the more the better chance to get the best set of candidates. The 9 years experience is already a criteria for the interview of which someone not having such years of experience is naturally screened out. And yes work experience matters in some certain jobs especially in managerial positions because you are expected to have managed other smaller businesses with fewer workers to taste your managerial qualifications and skills. You don't jump into some jobs without working somewhere.

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Quote from: Queentoshi on December 03, 2022, 01:42:16 PM

I came across a post some time ago (not here on bitcointalk), I was not in the forum then too, so I did not take note of the link for discussion, but it was about how many jobs can be taught, so the writer was trying to understand why people get disqualified for little or no working experience in a Job Interview? Recently I came across a job listing that required over 9 years working experience to be qualified, looking at the job description, I didn't see any reason why someone with 5 years working experience was not suitable for it since it was not a job that required special skills and the monthly pay for the job was not encouraging. What is your opinion on eligibility for regular jobs that are based on working experience, do you think they are necessary, and what chances does it give to the young job seekers who are looking to gain experience on a job? how can they get experienced if they are already been disqualified for little or no working experience?

What job would you like to talk about?
Is it a bank manager or a very sophisticated machine operator in a factory?
If you are a good specialist with 5 years of experience, then you should not have problems, but I do not understand what kind of vacancy we are talking about. You work for a company, many people find better paying jobs and they poach good professionals from their old jobs.

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Some of these years of experience asked are actually just for formality some companies overlook it and when you express yourself well at an interview. Other thing is its easier to get these experiences now if you are eager to work there. Universities gives time to students to go out and earn experience outside the school and this span between 6 to 12 months. Various companies considered this experience valuable when they employing workers. Various companies also offer internship with pay rate for fresh graduates.

Some companies have also taken it upon themselves to train new employees regardless of there experience.
So right now experiences are sorted after by companies for bigger roles like managerial positions and yes this should be close to five more years experience for me

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Quote from: Queentoshi on December 03, 2022, 01:42:16 PM

What is your opinion on eligibility for regular jobs that are based on working experience, do you think they are necessary, and what chances does it give to the young job seekers who are looking to gain experience on a job? how can they get experienced if they are already been disqualified for little or no working experience?

Some sort of work experience is important 4 every job seeker out there. If I owned a company, unless it is a very specialized role I wouldn't mind employing a young graduate with six to 12 months of experience. On the other hand, getting work experience has become easier because of technology. What do I mean? Young graduate can take advantage of remote Internship, volunteering experience, or just working for free in a related organization. Takis these experiences to the best of my knowledge could count as a work experience especially when you have the required skills to get the job done. And that is what companies really are looking for do you have the skills? Can you get the job done? If any Young job seekers those they would hire you and train you on the job.

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I came across a post some time ago (not here on bitcointalk), I was not in the forum then too, so I did not take note of the link for discussion, but it was about how many jobs can be taught, so the writer was trying to understand why people get disqualified for little or no working experience in a Job Interview? Recently I came across a job listing that required over 9 years working experience to be qualified, looking at the job description, I didn't see any reason why someone with 5 years working experience was not suitable for it since it was not a job that required special skills and the monthly pay for the job was not encouraging. What is your opinion on eligibility for regular jobs that are based on working experience, do you think they are necessary, and what chances does it give to the young job seekers who are looking to gain experience on a job? how can they get experienced if they are already been disqualified for little or no working experience?

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