How many posts deleted will lead to temporary ban (the first one)?

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Quote from: erikalui on July 23, 2019, 12:46:52 PM

I always knew there was no limit to the number of posts deleted that can decide whether the member will get banned or not as many times without any post getting deleted, members have got temp banned. Also, the user needs to understand the difference between post deleted by the TM and by the moderator as many get confused by this too as they receive notifications for both.

That's true, well, if the ban will be based on the number of posts deleted, it should be added in the rules for transparency I guess.
All we can say now is only based on our observation, part of the rules that you might get ban if you violated is "spamming" meaning, you can continue sly doing it in purpose, but I believe not all post deleted are spams and I'm sure everyone would agree since most of us have deleted posts as well.

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Quote from: Coyster on July 23, 2019, 04:25:10 PM

Actually I think there can only be quite a few number(if any)of forum users who have never gotten posts deleted before, I've come to understand that it means nothing and doesn't even deserve a thread created for it's sake.
If it's probably about 20+ posts deleted in a day, it's probably a spamming issue and is peculiar to shit posters/spammers as you said.

I don't have statistics for this, so it's not right to say something without proof (from statistics). Nevertheless, if I guess, I believe there is no one in the forum (except brand news or newbies whom do not make a single post or do not post too much) has no post deleted during his/her time in the forum. Non-spamming users will have posts deleted someday, it is unavoidable.
There are some good classic indicators for spammers:
- Time gaps between posts: if they made posts with just several seconds or less than 5 minutes time gaps in between, they are mostly spammers or bots.
- Post length: Most of spammers will do one-line posts. They sometimes do longer posts, but most of them are plagiarised ones, not their own words.

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Quote from: tranthidung on July 23, 2019, 09:07:34 AM

I meant I got bunches of deleted posts over years. It did not come to me just within one day. If it does, I am a spammer, certainly. I guess that my posts sometimes deleted because it was considered as off-topic...

Actually I think there can only be quite a few number(if any)of forum users who have never gotten posts deleted before, I've come to understand that it means nothing and doesn't even deserve a thread created for it's sake.
If it's probably about 20+ posts deleted in a day, it's probably a spamming issue and is peculiar to shit posters/spammers as you said.

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I always knew there was no limit to the number of posts deleted that can decide whether the member will get banned or not as many times without any post getting deleted, members have got temp banned. Also, the user needs to understand the difference between post deleted by the TM and by the moderator as many get confused by this too as they receive notifications for both.

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Quote from: Upgrade00 on July 23, 2019, 05:55:56 AM

I do not think spamming results in permanent bans

Spamming mostly ends with nuke, not ban, as I know.

If newbie got spamming all around the forum then mods can nuke them but if once they reached Jr.member or above they only can be banned which means all of their posts will exists other than the posts got deleted by mods,but nuking will remove all the posts from that user.

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I don't think moderators will put perm ban on shit posting accounts but they can surely remove your not too good posts anytime,we should try as much as possible to avoid posting unnecessary posts,moderators are humans not machine

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Quote from: tranthidung on July 23, 2019, 05:46:45 AM

I meant sometimes users don't spam, but their posts deleted (due to spamming/ off-topic, pointless or low value, whatever), and if their total deleted posts hit 50, for example, will their accounts get temp bans?

I am sure moderators are examining every report queued for deletion before they make a judgment onto that post before deleting it. I don't think that will be implemented on the forum because if it does even good posters will experience it and at the end that will create conflict. Well, that might be good in a sense especially for those who just want to shitposts, create spam and create low-value contents.

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Quote from: tranthidung on July 23, 2019, 05:46:45 AM

I meant sometimes users don't spam, but their posts deleted (due to spamming/ off-topic, pointless or low value, whatever), and if their total deleted posts hit 50, for example, will their accounts get temp bans?

I've had more than 50 posts deleted if I'm not mistaken, but that's over the course of over 4 years--but I've never gotten a ban because of it.

Moderators know spam when they see it, and I'm pretty sure most of us do. If you're looking at any given page of a member's post history and it's filled with zero-value posts, that's a good indication a member is shitposting/spamming for a campaign. And usually the posts are written within a short time frame, too.

Quote from: Lucius on July 23, 2019, 09:16:19 AM

I agree that people should be given a second chance, but some of users here do not deserve anything else then to be wiped out from forum instantly.

That's for damn sure. With some of them it's just blatantly obvious why they're on this forum, and it's not to add constructive thoughts to the threads they post in. If I was a mod, I would be ruthless with those members.

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Quote from: Lucius on July 23, 2019, 09:16:19 AM

I think that forum need to change rules about spam and introduce new bans which would last for a longer time (at least 30 day for first offense), and after that 60 day for second offense

This is what we saw with Yobit campaign. However, ban periods should be changed, but I think giving users (real ones) three chances before permanently ban them is appropriate. Of course, if they plagiarise, they don't have a second chance (the forum actually gives limited second chance to real constructive users, not for all).
I suggested following ban periods.

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First offence: 30 days
Second offence: 60 days
Third offence: 90 days
Fourth: Permanent ban

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Quote from: hilariousetc on July 23, 2019, 08:44:36 AM

A seven day ban on one account doesn't do much if they're free to continue on god knows how many others. They just carry on as usual until the ban expires.

Seven day ban is nothing, spammers are aware of this and they abuse this rule in combination with alt accounts. I think that forum need to change rules about spam and introduce new bans which would last for a longer time (at least 30 day for first offense), and after that 60 day for second offense, after which follows prema-ban. That would certainly make the job easier for moderators.

I report one user who is shilling some worthless token for some 3+ weeks all over the forum, but after who knows how much post deleted he is continue with same thing daily without any punishment.

I agree that people should be given a second chance, but some of users here do not deserve anything else then to be wiped out from forum instantly.

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Quote from: stadus on July 23, 2019, 07:33:20 AM

Mods are cleaning the forum, I guess.
I can't deny, I also have a lot of deleted posts, and even in the past I experience the same but I was never ban in the forum for such.
If I'm not mistaken, they've done this by schedule as this is the same case with my friends, they also have a lot of deleted posts.

I meant I got bunches of deleted posts over years. It did not come to me just within one day. If it does, I am a spammer, certainly. I guess that my posts sometimes deleted because it was considered as off-topic by forum staffs.

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Quote from: stadus on July 23, 2019, 07:33:20 AM

Mods are cleaning the forum, I guess.
I can't deny, I also have a lot of deleted posts, and even in the past I experience the same but I was never ban in the forum for such.
If I'm not mistaken, they've done this by schedule as this is the same case with my friends, they also have a lot of deleted posts.

It's more a case of users reporting the posts as opposed to mods looking for spammers. If they weren't reported then they'd likely still be there but if the reports are coming in then some staff member or another will likely get around to handling them. Whether that's a good thing or not is up to you. I still think we should be going after the campaigns that are continually paying for drivel, otherwise it's a losing battle and like trying to bucket water out of a sinking ship. You ban one account, but out of how many? And how many other alts does the spammer have that carry on as normal until they get reported. A seven day ban on one account doesn't do much if they're free to continue on god knows how many others. They just carry on as usual until the ban expires.

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Mods are cleaning the forum, I guess.
I can't deny, I also have a lot of deleted posts, and even in the past I experience the same but I was never ban in the forum for such.
If I'm not mistaken, they've done this by schedule as this is the same case with my friends, they also have a lot of deleted posts.

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There is no set number and bans are taken on a case by case basis but bans are rarely given for a set amount of posts deleted. If you're caught spamming and all your posts are very low quality then you might get a temp ban. If you don't take the warning and continue making low quality content you'll usually get another ban with the duration doubled but if you have to be banned three times then the fourth is usually the last one you'll get. Thankfully most don't get that far these days but there's also less bans given out for sig spam. This is something we still should be enforcing at the root cause which is the sig campaigns themselves. If they're paying for this fluff time and time again then they should receive the punishment but that's rare. The only case I can think of recently was yobit. Thankfully most campaigns don't get that bad but yobit was like an avalanche of spam unleashed instantly so they had to be dealt with.

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Quote from: Upgrade00 on July 23, 2019, 05:55:56 AM

I do not think spamming results in permanent bans

Spamming mostly ends with nuke, not ban, as I know.
I just gave an example and want to know the threshold of deleted posts before the first temp ban activated. I guess there are no fixed threshold because it might be manually handled by mods, but still want to know official answers from mods.
Today, I cleaned my inbox, and found I got bunches of deleted posts, not significant compared to my total postcount, but I am curious about the threshold, if there is. Grin

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I do not think spamming results in permanent bans for those involved, except in cases of newly opened accounts which can be nuked if they spam excessively and their posts deleted as well.
Not all forum rules violations result in bans.

Moderators use their personal discretion in handling their various sections and the same rules do not always apply.

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I read rules that if someone violates forum rules, such as spamming that caused posts deleted by forum moderators or admins, users might get permanent bans. I think it depends on total spam posts and the rate of spamming, but not sure.
I think we all have posts deleted, because it is unavoidable thing. I would like to know for the spamming reason only, how many posts deleted before the first temp ban activated?
I meant sometimes users don't spam, but their posts deleted (due to spamming/ off-topic, pointless or low value, whatever), and if their total deleted posts hit 50, for example, will their accounts get temp bans?

Quote from: mprep on July 21, 2014, 01:27:51 PM

1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. [1][e]

2. No off-topic posts.

In my opinion, the first post deleted is the first warning, not the first offence. Because it warns posters that they have issues with their post quallity, and should be improved.

Quote from: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/signature-campaign-guidelines-read-this-before-starting-or-joining-a-campaign-1684035

Staff do not want to hand out bans for unconstructive posts but if we feel that you as a user are continually making very poor or unsubstantial posts due to your paid signature the following bans will be issued:

First offence: 7 days
Second offence: 14 days
Third offence: 30 days
Fourth: Permanent ban

Your first ban is your first warning. If you have to be banned for a fourth time it is permanent and you will no longer be allowed to participate on the forum under any accounts.

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