Topic: How much do you care when you wear a commercial Signature? (Read 737 times)

Accusations can be valid at some point and later will turn to be invalid if later more evidence shows that company is not scam. Mostly, when accusation is valid, it remains as valid too. Very rare cases can turn from valid to invalid.

It is not smart to join a campaign from a company that has scam accusation even it is only temporarily valid or still in investigation.

It's Cryptotalk.org forum that is an altcoin forum that wanted to shill their forum in Bitcointalk forum by a collaboration with Yobit.

You missed my point, what i said is "you will be tagged particularly at the former." which is joining those tainted reputation campaign/website.
Although this is still subjected, if this kind of campaign is still managed by a reputed manager like the yobit or the forum ^{(i forgot the name)} related to it where yahoo managed it. Although it hail of different opinions and lot condemned it.

You would not be tagged for joining a campaign handled by a member without a high reputation. This is not a criterion for deciding which campaign is not a scam. Reputable members have perpetrated scams, and members of seemingly no repute have shows great degree of honesty and trustworthiness.
What members should be wary of when joining campaigns managed by unfamiliar members is that the funds should always be escrowed by a higher reputation member to ensure they get paid.

Always do your research on the campaign websites and activities.

Yes, some of the participants in the previous 1xbit campaign were members with neutral reputation (default) but due to financial pressure reasons they were willing to sell their reputation for a few dollars. Now neither of them can be trusted because the trust feedback they have currently makes most of the other users hesitant when it comes to dealing with money.

Now I confirm you, someone promoting a scam cannot be justified especially if they realize that what they are promoting is a scam site or project. Negative trust will be a consequence for those who do it.

Since taking on campaign work is also based on subjective considerations, it's your right to deal with any company. Assassins get paid too, some not even worth it. No matter the dirty company, sometimes someone has to take it even if they have to sacrifice their own reputation because of financial pressure. However, it means being involved in the wickedness and cannot be justified.

When the campaign manager is a trusted member, it helps me not to search for the project too long, but I certainly make sure that there are no suspicions about the project or unresolved issues. I may contact the project representative to ask about any mysterious matter I find during the research.

If the campaign manager is a member of the official project team, I will definitely feel that I have been hired based on certain specifications that the project is looking for. But when they assign a campaign manager with his own service, I will feel that I have been employed in the service run by the manager and not in the project itself.

It's all about how much you care about your reputation, not many does but I am not one of them, if a project is a telling Ponzi due to their high return APY I won't promote it, this is wrong, I've seen small members to high rank members promoting such project because the project is paying in stable coin but I choose not to.

The truth as I have said in my earlier comment is, knowing the services your employees render to the public is of utmost importance and the responsibility is placed on you as a signatures promoter to make adequate findings about the company and follow up with their feedback and development,  as a signature promoter your reputation is at stake here on the forum and if the company do any wrong thing your reputation will also be placed at risk if you keep promoting them after knowing their activities as a scam.

Many have turned out to be a scam, or at least an underperformed project in the aftermaths (not that the projects themselves more often than not were not pointing in that direction to begin with, at least from the existential point of view).
My first campaign was amongst those that turned out to be a fiasco (exit ICO scam), and even though it looked to me like it had some meaning as a project at the time, you can’t get it necessarily right even if you try to be careful.

Now if one willingly decides to promote a scam because of the payment, that’s not going to reflect good on them, and may taint your account from the Trust point of view. As I said, most of the scam cases are met in the aftermaths, and are generally not known to be so during the campaign itself, but if it becomes a well-known fact, promoting the scam is a no go.

It's a necessity to do some research on projects before wearing their signature but what if the project is a Ponzi but the payment is good enough? When it comes to money people won't care about what they are promoting, they will definitely promote the project and take their money.

Obviously, scam websites or tarnished reputation campaigns are the ones that the community is against people to join to. This includes the campaign that is handled by no reputation member to avoid scamming its participants ^{(DT/ other members warn others for possible scam)}. Once a campaign falls for this, you better not to join or you will be tagged particularly at the former.

Most new signature campaigns are casino sites which are new in the industry. There's a zero reputation of the site yet and being handled by a known manager, so joining is not a problem .

Nah, but the connection between manager and a participant is there which is the one i cared for this includes the rules they are following. Being a forum member asking/answering questions, making/argue discussion is the one i focused on. That's how i promote the signature i'm wearing, spreading my posts to any section.

I feel like Roobet hired me. Most cases I begin to reason that I am one of the workers of Roobet and I will imagine myself sitting with my colleagues in the imaginary company office and Hhampuz sitting at the centre directly us on how to work.
I had this idea knowing too well that some people barely last 1 year in their job, but Roobet is more than one year it has hired participants and keeps paying them weekly.
So, I feel I am working for Roobet and that is why I must pay attention to my post and the quality of posts I write wearing their signature and avatar.

When you are advertising on a public platform like this one you need to be very careful about what you promote. For example: there is a promotional campaign for a scam casino 1xbit. Most of the people found promoting this casino had been tagged by DT members which means they are being punished by this community because they are providing advertising for a service that is not good for community.
For that reason, I won't promote any website that I know that has negative feedback and I will always check their reputation before promoting any platform.

I always care about platforms reputation because I don't want scams use us to promote their business to scam other people that's why I research and listen to the community feedback before joining the campaign. If I found out that the platform have running un resolve accusation I will end up my participation because I don't want to cooperate on what they are doing.

I care a lot about the reputation of the signature am wearing even though I don't accept responsibility for their actions, but am in constant contact with the ANN thread here, and the moment I see that the project has deviated from its original intention and has exhibited shady behavior I will not hesitate to end my cooperation with them. Because if I keep wearing their signature innocent users may be tempted into clicking my signature and if they get scammed in the process then I have contributed to that incident.

I think this question is the best advice for potential applicants on any campaign whether in service or bonty section. Meanwhile I didn't do much research on freebitco.in because I thought it was a reputable site. I think you should not only focus on bitcoin signature campaign, but altcoin signature campaign should too get attention.

A few things, check the site and its licenses and user feedback on the "if that's a casino" site.

I don't think so, I don't feel hired because as a participant in the signature campaign I'm not their representative to answer all the issues.

There are many reasons to those you see participating in a scam signature campaign like the one mentioned, some mistakenly dabble into it being unaware but that is not a reason enough because it has been flagged red already and such approach on the campaign will display the warning message for user against the campaign, so they choose not to ignore it, some participant also fall into the set of the ones being reported as scammers, spammers and their likes, they have done evil with one or two users on the forum ehich was reported with vivid evidence, so promoting a scam signature campaign is indirectly identifying self for giving hand in support for scam as well and that's why most of them receive being tagged.


To me i think it's a personal decision that has to do with the rate of exchange of USD to a member's local currency, participating in a campaign isn't by force but a choice, if a user thinks he's good and ok by the offer frombthe signature campaign after considering the general cost and requirements for payment to be made on every eligible memeber, i user can identify interest to participate and another good thing is that there's room for growth whenever you got ranked up, the certain amount being paid will also increses as there's available slot, the common payrate by most campaign which is 40, 60 and 75-100 USD for both full member rank, sr member, hero and legendary ranks respectively i think is a good for start.


Those related abuses are common with the bounty campaigns but rare on signature campaigns, but this forum have the best rules that guide the promotion of signature campaign while the bounty may be unreliable here because you're not using your signatory in participating for such campaign.

Yes, there is no such requirement that you post or defend on the announcement thread of the project for which you join the signature campaign. (At least I never saw)

Yes you'll get small amount of reward. But it is better than nothing.

That's not entirely true. You can get in. There are a significant few campaigns that do accept Member rank, especially ones managed by Yahoo. He tends to consider that rank more than any other manager.

I observe a level of insensitivity with those who promote 1xBit. I would never advertise for a project that I know has a scam accusation hanging on its neck. You've to consider those who've been brutalized financially by the inordinate activities of such projects and try to show solidarity to them and then the project has to make it right with them first by resolving the issue. In this regard, 1xbiy failed to right the wrong but went ahead with its campaign here. That's the height of nonchalance and insensitivity.

This happens many times to me. Some project looks attractive to me but they end up being a scam. On the other hand, some projects that I considered low-quality projects provide good profits for my work. And TBH most of the big earnings I made through signature is buying some low-ranking bounty manager. A reputable manager brings the legit project to the community but because of high workers and low budget in the end we get so little.

You May want to rephrase this. 

If we talk about the signature that I wear at the moment, I can say that I knew about the exchange aggregator Bestchange long before I found out about bitcoin. And I used it exactly as much as I found out, and this is a very long time ago. Therefore, the appearance of the company's signature on this forum was a huge surprise for me, moreover, I was very happy when I was accepted into this company.
Therefore, I can say that I never doubted for a moment whether I should worry about my avatar or not.

There's  always a need for research before you apply for that project, i think that's always the basic. That way, you will have a lead if that project will highly succeed or not, if the goals will be reached or not. And once the campaign manager hire you, it only means that he believes you will be an asset to the team so you should give justice to it. Because in the end, if the project fails or succeeds, you will always be a part of the reasons why it happened so.

Of course, the campaign members should always consider if the project has a future in the first place, otherwise most likely this project will end up as a scam. And its hard to accept that we have been fooled around and all our efforts have gone into waste.  That is why i prefer to apply in campaigns that are managed by some of my favorite campaign managers because the issues if its legit or not is something that i don't have to deal.  And i guess, good campaigns manager will never accept projects that would ever ruin their hard earned credibility in the market.

Most likely, its always those reliable campaign managers that serve as my good basis. Once i know its certainly one of them who will manage the campaign, i don't have to think if its legit or not since i know the background of that campaign manager and has been doing successful campaigns from his previous assignments. I do research but more on the rules and goals of the campaign so i can make a good contribution that the project will take benefit.

Why are you bothered when wearing one? Of course, there's always a discussion if that campaign producing signatures is legit once there's a topic that would raise attention to almost users especially the people who wears them. And so far, I haven't seen someone wearing it unless they apply/join to that particular signature campaign so that they will get paid.

And I think it's right to do some research first before joining one so that we are all aware if the campaign we are joining is a legit one or it has an open accusation that would lead to our account to be compromised.

To be precise, yeah, you're right. But IMO, being hired for signature camapign is far from working in brick and mortar company. Sgnature campaign is just agreement. There is no written contract and other stuff common when working in brick and mortar company. But yeah, to be precise, signature campaign hire people, but at least from my perspective, I don't change my habits because of camapign and this is why I don't feel that I'm hired.

When I bring example about advertisement on a car, offcourse that I had in my mind that I'm not doing it for free. Like many companies put their ads on buses, but schedule of buses isn't changed because of it.

Bounty is different from signature campaigns. Signature campaigns are more secured and guarantee depending on the manager. So basically you can have a little under ground idea to be legit from the manager who decided to take up the job and recruit posters. They won't want to do a job that they can't get reward in btc for people working under them because of their reputation that is at stake and that is why they put some campaigns on hold, pause or stop it entirely when they don't get response from owners to avoid bad spoiling their hard earned reputation but that of bounty is not guarantee so you need a thorough research


This is better known as a contract and not as highering. Hire may have more committed conditions but as a contract, you do what you are expected by the rules and get rewarded and at the end when it is ended, everybody go their way but highering doesn't end that way, there are more attachment and benefit

The signature campaigns members of this forum work for are companies, just not a brick and mortar company, but it is a company/organisation in every sense of the word; and for the time you have their signature on and advertise the company in the forum, you are being hired by them.
It is not, if you willingly put someone's advertisement on your car, then you are not hired to do so, it is just your personal wish. But if someone or an organisation contacts you or you contact them to put their advertisement on your car for a specific amount to be paid, at a specific time, then that person or organisation is hiring your services, and it is no longer a free service as you are now on their payroll and you have to act according to their terms and condition, failure to do so would result in either you being fired or you deciding to voluntarily leave. This is how signature campaigns are run too.
How can it be sponsorship when you aren't the one spending your money to promote the project, and they are the ones paying you to promote their project. Even if we are to put it in another way, let us say you are 'adverting the project in a bid to sponsor them', then you will have to be doing it for free, in the hope of returns when the company progresses in the future. But is any of that happening when you are on a signature campaign, no.

Exactly this is what I am trying to say when someone says they feel like they are being hired. As I have already said, I don't think I would feel hired because just because of joining the campaign, I am not going to change my post habits and also, Most of the platform doesn't require writing something for them. So, It's more like sponsoring.

I haven't changed my campaign for 3 years already, but yeah, no doubts that I would make research about company before joining their campaign. I want to know what I'm advertising. Yeah, in past I had advertised Yobit, but I'm not proud about it. I had more or less ok experience with their service and I believed that they're not so bad. But now I hardly can imagine myself advertising Yobit. Making research about new projects is more difficult, but so far I've been participant only of established business signature campaigns.
And no, I don't feel like being hired. I don't change my posting habits because of campaign and I'm not going to defend them just because they're paying me. I'll defend them if they're right, but same I can defend their competitor if it's attacked without valid reason.

Well, in that terms, yeah, you're being hired. But I don't consider it as being hired because I'm not working for a company, I just continue posting without changing my posting habits. It's something similar like I would put someone's advertisement on my car.

This is the most important part. I always do check about the project legitimacy and its potential if they are paying in an altcoin. I do not care if it's a Stable coin payout campaign( though I prefer to join a stable coin payout campaign) or an altcoin campaign. If it's an altcoin payout campaign then I tried to make sure this project has a future.

I do care about wearing a signature because I do not mind a little earning along with some learning.

After so many lessons and experiences that I got at the passed, I care much about this. Because this also relates to our account reputation. We have seen that every member wearing a signature code from a certain platform will directly get red trust. Does it mean that we also get the bad reputation? But I don't know why they keep wearing it over the time. Badly, the campaign is still ongoing so far.

I don't apply to campaigns often, since I'm usually staying in campaigns for long term, but when I do, I check that the owner is legit, that they don't have negative reputation and don't do something shady. As a personal rule, I would never advertise an ICO, DeFi, NFT and other fresh blockchain projects that are generally scams. I prefer advertising a legitimate business and not some investment.


In some ways yes and in some ways no. I don't feel obligated to publicly defend and support the company that I advertise, but I do say good things about them if I used their services myself and found them genuinely satisfying. On the other hand, the words and actions of campaign members can reflect on the company, even if they aren't recognized as official representatives, so it's another reason to think twice before hitting that "Post" button.

Okay, so I see that some users don't believe you're being hired, even the OP. So, basically all hired means is they're paying you to do something for them. In this instance, they're paying you for the posts you make. It's not a sponsorship, and most definitely is a hired position. I think users are getting confused that hired means you've to be a sockpuppet to the company, but that isn't true. People working at ASDA/Walmart might not recommend that store over another, doesn't stop them from being hired by them.

You can hire me to go pick up groceries for you, code a line of code or mind your children. The principles are the same. If you want any other confirmation, any signature earnings you make is deemed as income, now you might not be directly employed by the company i.e on their books, but you will be deemed to be self employed (it might have another term in other countries). Therefore, the tax authorities will be expecting you to declare every single earning as income, and be taxed appropriately on it.

Also, by advertising a certain product or service you're effectively putting your reputation on the line. For example, certain companies won't hire you if you've been involved in a branch of KFC that was shut down for cleanliness, because it reflects badly on you. So, at every given moment you should ideally be checking on the reputation, and who you're intending on advertising for, that's if you care about your reputation.

At the end of the day though, we're arguing over semantics. They pay you to do a job, you do that job, and must declare that as income to the tax man. That's as simple as it gets.  

That's true, although generally outward scams are widely known among the community, since one off's are likely not reading the terms of service or was a misunderstanding, and usually rectified by the person responsible if both parties are reputable.

Technically, your account probably isn't your property any more than it's your property on any other social media. It's the company or people behind it that own it, technically speaking. Although, that's rather irrelevant.

You don't have to advocate for them, but I can bet if you started advocating for alternatives in your posts or you were talking down of their service you wouldn't be hired for long.

I have been in a few campaigns where different casinos and gambling platforms were advertised before joining ChipMixer. I don't read opinions on review sites because most of them are paid and unreliable anyways. I check the forum reputation of the sites I advertise in my signature space. If they have scammed before and have legitimate negative ratings, I don't apply for such campaigns.

It's tricky when we are taking about casinos because even the best ones have people claiming they scammed them and stole money. Sometimes you have to make your own judgement when a case could have gone in anyone's favor. Since 1xBit was mentioned by the OP. Anyone who cares about his forum reputation would never advertise this casino no matter what money is being offered.

Who says anything about advocating for them? When I said that you are hired, I of course meant your signature space/avatar as that's the thing that you offered to them in exchange for money. I don't know about you, but for me being hired doesn't equal to someone owning me.


One of the rare long term signature campaigns that accepted Member rank was Bustadice, I was accepted as a Member rank but one of the problem was that you were essentially stuck at your initial rank even after you ranked up, as I remember being Sr Member and still getting paid Member fee. Nevertheless, I do agree that more campaigns should lower their requirements as there are always couple of quality lower rank members around but

Just wait and see, if someone have reported your thread and it's not belong in Beginners & Help section, then the moderators will move it to appropriate section. Sometime a thread can be appropriate posted in several section, but depends on the section you want your thread will stay.

Correct, even if you dislike the project that you promote, you can write it whatever you want. But it's just doesn't make sense since how can you doesn't like the campaign, but you're still promoting them. Perhaps the campaign manager will warn you for doing that or exclude you.

I will move this thread to the Reputation board. Before that, Could @mk4 or anyone else please confirm that the Reputation board is appropriate for this thread? Because I already moved it from Beginner and Help To Meta, Now Meta to Reputation, maybe someone else could suggest another. So, I want to confirm again. There is no offence to LoyceV, but I want to make sure I move it to the correct section.

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I am not comparing other campaigns with 1xbet. But, I am giving 1xbit as an example because almost every veteran knows that 1xbit is a scam casino.

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Okay, Guys, I have read all the posts made in this thread so far. It will help me (and other members, too) pick the correct signature campaign in the future.

I am agreed with most of the opinions, except I am being hired by the company when they accept me as a signature participant.
They accepted my application because they have reviewed my profile and seems they liked my post quality. That's why they accepted my application. The only I have to do is, Campaign has some rules, and I have to follow the rules. Example: Post x number of posts on x board per week, post must contain x number of characters. I don't think they have control over my writing habit and interest in writing.

But, As I can see, almost everyone feels like they are being hired by the signature company. Maybe I will be forced to believe that too in the future.

There is no need to compare 1xbit campaigns and their participants with any other campaign on the forum.

It has been proved that 1xBit is a scam casino. Their signature campaign on this forum is fake, and all participating accounts are alt accounts hired as part of bumping services. You will not find any genuine members there.

It depends on what signature project to follow. Usually, if the signature project is managed by a Bounty Manager who has done legit project campaigns several times and the project uses a fixed payment in BTC or USDT, it will be more reliable (of course also look at the previous reputation). However, if it is a new project, without escrow, or a project with its own token payment, of course, it requires research first. Because, of course, you don't want to work in vain, do you? But in my case, I am using this RollBit Signature and some previous signatures paid in BTC without any research.  
However, if the project has an obvious bad reputation and scam accusations, then it should definitely be avoided.

I would better avoid the reviews from this kind of site, for many things. As an example, I can create several accounts, create fake reviews, and other things that are supported or not supported by any sites.
As in your case, I also found this:


And about 1xbit, this site has been in scam accusation in this forum, there are many scam accusations with proves that you can find.

Generally, I do not.

The signature campaigns that I participated into can give you a brief background about the company. Mostly, signature campaigns have been started by gambling companies since their purpose is to advertise their online casino against hundreds to thousands of competitors in the market. If the campaign manager of the signature seems to be a trusted member, then there is no reason to doubt the campaign itself as the manager already did the work of background resarch.


Oh definitely! Once the campaign manager chooses you to be part of the campaign, you have this sense of responsibility to do your work and to achieve the weekly quota in order to receive payment.

But in most cases, the reason behind the advertisement goes beyond the payment. Every time I participate in these campaigns, I feel like they gave me the opportunity and privilege to work under them- like the campaign manager reviewed my post history and checked that I am qualified to represent the campaign for the period. With this, I feel like they chose and hired me for this purpose, in which I do not take for granted.

Unfortunately like you mentioned, people who applied in 1xbit campaigns are people who are just chasing around for payment. Everyone in that campaign consist of people having negative trust- like the campaign itself is plagued by spammers and untrusted people.

I do bounties that 'appear' to be legit, sometimes right, sometimes wrong - wrong calls help you in choosing right ones more.

There are, but very rarely does it happen, every now and then you can see one or two campaigns that accept members with Member rank, but not even anywhere close in number as the campaigns that do not accept members with Member rank.

I checked a good number of pages on the services section and i could see two campaigns that used to accept Member rank, i said that in past tense because the campaigns are closed/ended, so there is no member rank campaign open for now.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/winzio-casino-signature-and-avatar-campaigncampaign-ended-5362856
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gamdomcom-signature-campaignclosed-5383679
So OP is very well eligible for a campaign, but they have to wait for the launch of a campaign that accepts Member rank, except it is just their personal decision to rank up to full member before enrolling for a campaign.

I must admit that I was surprised that no signature campaign that pays in Bitcoin accepts members with Member rank, because higher ranks do not necessarily mean higher quality posts. Certain Hero and Legendary member participating in some signature campaigns are far worse than some Member or even Jr.Member ranks. Yes, I know about the limits regarding signatures in terms of rank, this is probably the biggest obstacle why no one wants Members in campaigns, no colors in the signature and avatars are obviously not too interesting.


I have never participated in any campaigns that paid in tokens/altcoins. Although there are some campaigns in which I wish I had not participated because they later proved to be something that turned into at least suspicious business - but it is a risk that exists with anything that any member promotes on the forum.


Of course, it is only logical to research what you will promote, at least for someone who cares about the reputation on this forum - for those others who do not care, this approach is obviously completely meaningless. As for online casinos, those who have been in business for a long time also have a good reputation, and the problem is those new ones who have yet to earn their reputation. If you promote such a new casino you always risk that at some point it will turn into a scam, but that does not mean that you are a scammer.


There is definitely a kind of business relationship between the one who participates in the signature campaign and the one who chose him to promote a service. There are terms and conditions that both parties accept and all campaigns rely more or less on similar rules or conditions. What may be strange to you is the fact that we used to think that participating in a signature campaign was primarily a privilege to promote what we believe in, and that the reward we receive is just a reward, and not a salary for some kind of full time job.

Well of course the CM participants will discuss what they are advertising, we all aim to know what is happening at any given moment, and we are here to try to answer all the questions someone asks in that thread.

I’ve been into various signature campaigns since late 2017. Honestly during my early days, I was lazy to do research and just didn’t care much about the project first as I only want to get into the opportunity. The first campaign I have back then last December 2017. They are doing well back then and their token was pumping like crazy before the great Bitcoin crash.

I was too greedy that time so I only ended up cashing out $700 instead of more than $3,000 because well, greediness!!! Then I joined another signature campaign that lasted 12 weeks I think, but it was the greatest lesson I have learned in which I was not paid very well and their trading volume that time on LAToken really sucks.

However, I had to move on and continue joining campaigns. Right now, I am in good hands with the current campaign that I have in which they are one of the longest paying signature campaigns ever.

I'll participated many signature campaign in my journey here in forum I've been promoting one of the best casino before here in the forum which is bitvest I am wearing bitvest signature campaign cause I know that this casino is good and very reputable in terms of withdrawal but the issues come and i switch to other campaign and Rollbit casino ill want to promote as well because they are the best and the now even how big the withdrawal is there's no compliment and I assure they will be the best off all the best in the future.

Promoting a proven scam casino is not same as promoting a new startup that is why members who are promoting 1xbit got tagged but still they are allowed to post since scams are not moderated here. Anyone who is helping someone even after the company found guilty of scamming people then the people who are helping are not different from the one who are scamming.

Of course I don't want to promote a scam and before I get involved in a campaign I check the basic information about the campaign and what other members of the forum say.
In recent years, I have mostly followed the same manager, whom I trust, and I only sign up for his campaigns.
There was no suspicion of fraud around his campaigns and no problem with payment.
I'm satisfied with that and my last campaign has been going on for almost 2 years, so I haven't had to think about these issues for a long time.

When I apply for campaigns, I do two things;

• I research the reputation of the company. I do this by checking Ann thread and the feedback of users there. Again, by checking the calibre of people applying for same campaign. If I do not see regular names there, I'll feel I'm promoting an unpopular company.
• Also, I research the longevity of the campaign. I hate promoting company that will ask you to remove avatar and signature today and wear again next week.
  
  
  Quote from: AnotherAlt on June 03, 2022, 09:59:46 PM
  Do you feel like they hired you?
  
  Yes of course. They hired me. I cannot wear the signature and avatar of Best_Change and recieve payment from the company and see where anyone is mutilating the image of the company without defending it. I defend what I believe in.

I don't feel they rented your signature space, if it happened that way it will be on your own terms and conditions, you would have been the one to make the rules, and to set the agreement and payment. You are being hired, because you are undertaking a servive for them, which is to advertise their company, in return for payment, i cannot see more to it than that.

To hire means to "obtain the services of, in return for fixed payment", isn't that what happens when you work for a signature campaign?

I think this belongs in Reputation, not Meta.

I care a lot ^{(no plagiarism)}. My current signature campaign is still only the second campaign I've advertised (as LoyceV, ignoring short projects where my alt was invited). And my avatar campaign, well, the orgies are mostly safe.

I don't advertise anything I don't trust. And I am quite picky. That's probably why I didn't make it as a campaign manager, I've rejected almost every project that asked me to advertise their money grabbing scheme.

It happens Just like I've discussed threads that have nothing to do with my signature.

I would interrupt here. I don't feel the same here. In my opinion, My Account is my property. My profile signature space is also my property. When they accept my application means they have reviewed my profile. When I applied there meant I accepted their Campaign rules. In my opinion, Basically, they rented my signature space. I don't have to advocate for them since their Campaign rules don't say that. The only I have to do is, Maintain the post quality and reach the minimum limit.

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I am talking about their platform legitimacy. Not their campaign legitimacy. 1xbet doesn't even use escrow, but they pay participants. They paying participants doesn't mean they are a legit platform.

I'm not sure how many signature campaigns I've participated in in the past, but I am certain that before applying, I was aware that that particular project/casino/service has been paying its signature campaign participants consistently and without fail for around a year.

Didn't do any background checks either, because most of the time, when a project is completely new, the management will escrow the first 2-4 weeks of payments, giving you some sense of security that your work will not go in vain.

You can easily know when a specific campaign is fraud is when everyone who joined their signature campaign has been red-tagged. This is the reason why doing your due diligence is critical before joining any campaign as you'll be getting negative trust when that platform goes south.

Yes, technically speaking! Because the manager extensively examines your account history before accepting it. It is crucial to note, however, that there is no actual agreement that you must actively discuss or advertise them in each and every post you make.

A signature campaign is similar to product placement advertising in that the product is shown under the participant's profile through discussions in various sections of the forum without being explicitly stated. It's entirely voluntary.

So far I've been part of 4 different signature campaigns and all were going on for quite some time so honestly I didn't do in-depth check ( I did check briefly though) as if there was something seriously wrong, someone would have discovered long time ago it as this forum doesn't lack good detectives.


I would definitely check brand new casino/exchange signature campaign before joining. I even busted one brand new bitcoin signatures campaign that had some fishy things going (iirc it was some wallet and they copy/pasted their whole content and concept from another project) and that was hosted by a known manager so in case of a new campaign I would recommend to do proper due diligence and not to rely on manager to do it for you.


No matter how you feel, they did hire you. Then again, that doesn't mean that you have to defend them and no reputable signature campaign will ever ask that from people that they are wearing their signature. With that being said, people do tend to defend the business they are promoting (in case of a long term campaigns), but I think that has more to do with the fact that they are either using that service or it has good reputation on the forum rather than just because they are paid to wear their signature.

Yea, don't read review sites. Do research on the likes of Reddit/Twitter/Quora(though mostly crap)/Facebook/etc as the "reviews" are more likely to be organic than just people on blogs trying to monetize through a platforms referral/affiliate program.

But of course, even if it's on social media, always keep your skepticism up.

This is 3rd time I have been trying to reply to you. Power outage three times in an hour.


You may not find results for every website on Bitcointalk search, especially if they are new projects. For the old one, There are still a lot of websites that weren't discussed on Bitcointalk. Also, I am afraid of Google searches. You may not get the correct result from a google search. Here is an example: I have searched on google typing "1xbit legitimacy". Here is the result I got.

The first result is this website:



When I entered this website, I was surprised. Because according to them, 1Xbit is a pretty good website, and they rated them 81 out of 100.



Not only this website But also a few more websites rated 1xbit as a good website. I am afraid that trust Pilot also joined them. Trust Pilot removed bad reviews saying we've detected misuse on this page




I am going to be neutral about ChipMixer. Because I myself don't know any other legit mixer except ChipMixer, if I don't have other options, I cannot suggest anything else without ChipMixer. But, When it comes to other platforms like Casino and Exchanges, I see Signature participants suggest the company which signature they wearing. Watching those comments, I feel like they were hired.

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Thanks! Moved to Meta.

It's just for me to have a clear idea if a certain service is clearly a scam or not, as there's a decent chance that certain services wouldn't have any reviews on Bitcointalk, but has reviews on other communities like Reddit.

^And I'm most definitely not going to base my opinions based on those trash "review sites".

I'm also not yet joined any campaign, but I have thinking about this matter.

I will do research before I will join the campaign because I wouldn't want to promote scam project, hence I got paid by them it's like I got an illegal money since they're scamming other people. For me it's just unethical to get an illegal money, but some people wouldn't think about it. Money is money, no matter what it's come from, as long as they can earn, they will do it.

I agree with mk4 it's a sponsorship rather than being hired, you're not worked for them to defend their sites. It's a paid shills where they're don't care with anything and just protect their project even though the project is scam. The reason why in Chipmixer thread has a lot reply of Chipmixer participants, because they're before joining already research about the project and familiar about it, or even often use it. They're different with bumping shills, I guess you know the difference between shitpost and constructive post isn't?

Many DT members will tag 1xbit participants because they're promoting scam, but honestly speaking, if joining a scam project didn't get tagged by DT members, I believe almost all users will promoting 1xbit since they have nothing to lose. The reason many users didn't join on 1xbit are they're worried to get tagged.

theymos ever mistakenly promoted 1xbit on forum ads, read in this thread Question to theymos but he already removed it because he's agree this forum shouldn't promoting scam. Even we can freely promoting any project, but that doesn't we can promote anything without knowing the background of the project.

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Personally I will only search the project's reputation on this forum alone, since our signature mostly visible on this forum, not on google. Because there are some articles or public reviews e.g. trustpilot isn't really giving correct judgements.

Take an example of Chipmixer reviews on trustpilot where there's only two users give their opinion, the old opinion is good and the latest opinion he said Chipmixer is scam due to poor support, if they're only rely on this review, they might worried to use Chipmixer.

I haven't researched campaigns for a while because I've been in ChipMixer since God knows when, but I don't think it takes much effort to have an idea if a certain platform is a scam or not. First I'd dig through Bitcointalk first, then do some Google searching. If the platform ends up being really new (hence literally no reviews but has a legitimate working product), I might consider joining if I wasn't in a campaign yet, but I'd leave the moment I see clear signs of fraud.

It feels a lot more of a sponsorship than being hired, since you're still free to say whatever you want.

You're probably going to see me and my fellow ChipMixer campaignees recommending ChipMixer on threads concerning mixing/tumbling services, but trust me when I say that it's not solely because we're getting paid. It's simply because that outside of coinjoins like Wasabi/Samourai/JoinMarket, imo ChipMixer is the only legitimate mixing service(that I know of) that has existed for a good amount of years already.

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P.S. This thread fits better on the Meta section. The move option is on the bottom left part of this page.

I am not sure if this is the appropriate board to post this. But I am posting it here.

I know I am not eligible for any signature campaign. But I am interested to know a few things. Because I saw a few signature participants (1xbit) got tagged because they promoted scam websites. I think this topic will be helpful for other new members too.

How much do you care about the signature that you are wearing? There are a lot of platforms promoting their business. But, Not all of them are legit. There are some scam casinos like 1xbet. But, There are a lot of bounty campaigns that offer signature campaigns. But, half of them (even more) end up scamming their participants.

Do you research before Apply?

Do you research the platform background, or do you examine its legitimacy? I am asking this because I never played on 1xBit, and I didn't get scammed by them. Before joining their platform or signature campaign, I wouldn't know they were scammers. Not only 1xBit. What about other platforms? For example, if A new casino platform offers signature campaigns, Or an exchanger offers a signature campaign, Would you join their campaign without researching their platform? If you investigate any platform, What is the process? How do you check if they are good or bad?

Do you feel like they hired you?

When they accept your application, and you wear their signature, Do you feel like they hired you? If it sounds like a non-sense question, Here is why I am asking this: I noticed some 1xbit participants trying to defend their platform. Even there are no requirement on the campaign. I saw Chip-mixer participants doing discussion on Chip-mixer thread and most of them are Chip-Mixer Signature participants.

That's all.