How much do you think Bitcoin.com is worth, what price would Roger sell?

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Quote from: BitHodler on October 13, 2019, 07:24:54 AM

Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on October 12, 2019, 07:16:21 AM

hundred million could be a fair valuation but a billion Shocked

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One is better off using $100 million or whatever greater amount to buy Bitcoin. Buying Bitcoin offers much more potential growth and is extremely liquid, while such domain only appeals to a small number of people.

We're already at a point where a crypto business isn't going to 10x in value, and even if so, that doesn't make the domain itself become worth 10x more. Nothing thus far has beaten the percentage gains of Bitcoin and I doubt that will ever change.

Bitcoin isn't a buisness though, it's just an investment. If someone was going to acquire a buisness, they'd rather buy a good domain or buisness then just invest their money into crypto-currencies.

We've sort of reached an impasse here with crypto-buisness and it's getting hard for the companies to expand into other markets. I agree with you there.

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Quote from: BitHodler on October 13, 2019, 07:24:54 AM

One is better off using $100 million or whatever greater amount to buy Bitcoin.

This is so true. Assuming one has that kind of money, then they don't really need to touch it for another 5 to 10 years, they can just buy $100m worth of bitcoin without affecting the price (or maybe even if they do, just a little bit), wait until it's 10x and now they have a billion. Which they also don't need to sell. Or they could sell 10% of it for $100m, and ride the next few halvings to 100x, and have the remainder worth $9b.

I'd wait 20 years. Only because this is all on the assumption you didn't need to use the original $100m for anything else and are doing pretty well prior. The billions is just extra gravy.

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Quote from: BitHodler on October 13, 2019, 07:24:54 AM

One is better off using $100 million or whatever greater amount to buy Bitcoin. Buying Bitcoin offers much more potential growth and is extremely liquid, while such domain only appeals to a small number of people.

The same has applied all along for all the money thrown at crypto companies never to be seen again. But that's not how these people think and possibly never will. Think of how much was spent in 2014 which was possibly the peak year for VC funding. Only a handful of companies are still around and still doing well.

It's a world I don't understand and never will. I hope it brings them joy all the same.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on October 12, 2019, 07:16:21 AM

hundred million could be a fair valuation but a billion Shocked

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One is better off using $100 million or whatever greater amount to buy Bitcoin. Buying Bitcoin offers much more potential growth and is extremely liquid, while such domain only appeals to a small number of people.

We're already at a point where a crypto business isn't going to 10x in value, and even if so, that doesn't make the domain itself become worth 10x more. Nothing thus far has beaten the percentage gains of Bitcoin and I doubt that will ever change.

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Quote from: Kyraishi on October 09, 2019, 07:35:34 AM

If Bitcoin.com sold now, there was a previous buisness run on it so it'll be also selling an identity of the buisness, and not just the name, but it'll probably be sold with the buisness, so actually a lot more.

Bitcoin.com with the buisness could fetch a lot, dare I say a billion?

If someone is purchasing a domain and a business for a billion dollar then it could be a fair valuation if he could recover the amount, if you are spending money on something you need to have a realistic valuation and no one will be spending a billion dollars to acquire a business unless they have a clear plan on how to recover the money spent and we are yet to see that kind of sales in this market, hundred million could be a fair valuation but a billion Shocked

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If they are buying a buisness that we are assuming isn't dead, and are generating fairly decent amounts of income, they could scrape by not really spending a lot of time with a buisness strategy.

I'm sure the the company would have plans for expansion in the future and the new owner could fairly easily just follow those plans and copy what they where going to do in the future.

Obviously the person will be smart enough to future out a plan to recover their funds, I assume.

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Quote from: Dabs on October 11, 2019, 11:32:51 AM

Voice.com sold for $30 million, and it was bought by Block.one the same group behind EOS.

They liquidated $1 billion worth of Ether just to strenghten their financial position. That money has to be spent 'wisely'. Cheesy

Quote from: Rmcdermott927 on October 11, 2019, 10:10:45 PM

Based on BItcoin Cash price and traffic estimates I would sell at 10-15m USD

Not sure what BCash has to do with this? It would do more harm than good to the value with how shit it performed since it came into existence.

Interestingly, the traffic of the .com domain isn't doing that much better than the .org domain;

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bitcoin.com (Alexa rank 9,913 and declining)
https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bitcoin.org (Alexa rank 11,653 and improving)

With some more effort, the .org site could do the same thing as the .com is doing and overtake it.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on October 12, 2019, 07:16:21 AM

If someone is purchasing a domain and a business for a billion dollar then it could be a fair valuation if he could recover the amount, if you are spending money on something you need to have a realistic valuation and no one will be spending a billion dollars to acquire a business unless they have a clear plan on how to recover the money spent and we are yet to see that kind of sales in this market, hundred million could be a fair valuation but a billion Shocked

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I think the billion dollar thing is a crock of shit too... however look at the amounts thrown around in VC land with no realistic plan for a return and no plan to make anything actually work in the meantime.

It seems long ago that anything Silicon Valley ish gave up trying to be anything other than a planet-sized bag of hot air. Look at junk like Theranos which never provided a shred of anything yet attracted way more money than real businesses making real money making real things.

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Quote from: Kyraishi on October 09, 2019, 07:35:34 AM

If Bitcoin.com sold now, there was a previous buisness run on it so it'll be also selling an identity of the buisness, and not just the name, but it'll probably be sold with the buisness, so actually a lot more.

Bitcoin.com with the buisness could fetch a lot, dare I say a billion?

If someone is purchasing a domain and a business for a billion dollar then it could be a fair valuation if he could recover the amount, if you are spending money on something you need to have a realistic valuation and no one will be spending a billion dollars to acquire a business unless they have a clear plan on how to recover the money spent and we are yet to see that kind of sales in this market, hundred million could be a fair valuation but a billion Shocked

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You guys realize your low ass price estimations don't mean shit if you can't convince the seller to sell right?

Because that's how trading works.

>You offer $15m to Roger,
>You increase your offer to $20m
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This will go on and on till Roger agrees. At what price do you think he'll agree to sell? Do your math thinking about this. In this trade you are trying to convince him. He didn't put his domain on sale. He is not trying to get rid of it.

You want it.

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Based on BItcoin Cash price and traffic estimates I would sell at 10-15m USD

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Voice.com sold for $30 million, and it was bought by Block.one the same group behind EOS.

So the bitcoin.com domain alone is easily worth at least that much. $40 to $50 million is not a bad price, plus with everything else the domain has, the website, the businesses, it would altogether cost maybe $100 million.

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Quote from: gentlemand on October 09, 2019, 08:24:18 AM

I've genuinely never come across anyone here who's bought bitcoin or been fooled into buying bch through that site.

I'm sure it gets plenty of traffic from the news bit and the mining pool must do adequately but someone else could do plenty more than is being done with it right now.

I doubt anyone would want to buy the businesses running through it. Only the domain itself would be the desirable bit.

It's a scummy buisness tactic from Roger, but it's not that effective and I doubt it's actually worked before, the recommended line isn't that obstructive.

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Quote from: gentlemand on October 09, 2019, 08:24:18 AM

I doubt anyone would want to buy the businesses running through it. Only the domain itself would be the desirable bit.

It is, people are buying a domain with good backlinks and continuous flow of traffic for the redirection purposes I sold one of my domain 5 five years ago and it was used as intended for redirection, it's a good option than to buy pay per click traffic because the traffic would look like an organic traffic, it used to be one of the best strategies to gain backlinks and traffic.

That was my intention with the post - Bitcoin.com as a domain would definetly go up in price compared to crypto.com, because one of them has had continuous traffic and revune, while the other one was literally just a domain. Your forced to buy more when you buy bitcoin.com, which could be good or bad.

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Quote from: gentlemand on October 09, 2019, 08:24:18 AM

I doubt anyone would want to buy the businesses running through it. Only the domain itself would be the desirable bit.

It is, people are buying a domain with good backlinks and continuous flow of traffic for the redirection purposes I sold one of my domain 5 five years ago and it was used as intended for redirection, it's a good option than to buy pay per click traffic because the traffic would look like an organic traffic, it used to be one of the best strategies to gain backlinks and traffic.

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I've genuinely never come across anyone here who's bought bitcoin or been fooled into buying bch through that site.

I'm sure it gets plenty of traffic from the news bit and the mining pool must do adequately but someone else could do plenty more than is being done with it right now.

I doubt anyone would want to buy the businesses running through it. Only the domain itself would be the desirable bit.

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Quote from: gentlemand on October 09, 2019, 07:19:24 AM

Weird that all this wild guessing is going on when we have the crypto.com domain sale to refer to.

That was twelve million dollars or so.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/05/crypto-com-mco/

Hard to say whether bitcoin.com would fetch more. It probably would as more people will be familiar with that. Crypto is a bit more generic.

I'd still say a lot more to be honest, crypto.com was a domain that jad nothing to it then the name, and it was definetly not associated with a buisness or anything.

If Bitcoin.com sold now, there was a previous buisness run on it so it'll be also selling an identity of the buisness, and not just the name, but it'll probably be sold with the buisness, so actually a lot more.

Bitcoin.com with the buisness could fetch a lot, dare I say a billion?

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Weird that all this wild guessing is going on when we have the crypto.com domain sale to refer to.

That was twelve million dollars or so.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/05/crypto-com-mco/

Hard to say whether bitcoin.com would fetch more. It probably would as more people will be familiar with that. Crypto is a bit more generic.

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Quote from: mindrust on October 04, 2019, 04:17:05 AM

If it was mine, I wouldn't sell it unless someone pays me 1 billion dollars, in bitcoin, which is around 120k bitcoins.

But that's only me. Some other guy wouldn't sell it at all or sell it for $50k.

I think $1billion is a fair price.

Checking some other application that determines the price of that domain, it could not go $500 million

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BITCOIN.COM TRAFFIC WORTH
We estimate the website value of bitcoin.com is currently at $ 211,715 USD and reaches roughly 48,524 unique users each day that generate 96,673 daily pageviews

the number one social media site is only worth more than $300 million
http://www.siteworthtraffic.com/report/facebook.com

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We estimate the website value of facebook.com is currently at $ 393,338,737 USD and reaches roughly 23,331,426 unique users each day that generate 179,606,316 daily pageviews with a daily revenue (from advertisements, i.e Google AdSense) of $ 179,608 USD approximately. According to Alexa (the Web Information Company) the Global Traffic Rank is 5

so if the number one social media site Facebook cannot go over 500 million I doubt Bitcoin can too, but it's only ten years as adoption is progressing so the price will increase every year.

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I already told you what the price would be.

It is one billion US dollars, in bitcoin.

If you don't believe me go try Roger with your offers. Let's see at what price he'll get convinced. I'll tell you, he won't till you hit a ridiculously high number (maybe never). That com version of the bitcoin domain is the best version and it belongs to a great technology. (Probably the best tech humans achieved in the last 100 years)

This is power beyond imagination. You probably cannot even measure its worth with FIAT money that's why the price would be so ridiculously high.

Btw cars.com domain is a piece of shit compared to bitcoin.com

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Quote from: Kyraishi on October 07, 2019, 07:49:42 PM

Quote from: BitHodler on October 05, 2019, 03:24:12 AM

Quote from: 1Referee on October 04, 2019, 01:16:10 PM

Cars.com as business (valued at $2.5 billion) was sold where the valuation of the domain itself was reported as $872 million. If we ever get to see bitcoin dot com get sold, it will be done through a similar construction, because if you sell just the domain without a working business it's worth waaaay less.

Not in a hundred years would I expect a domain to fetch that much even though it was sold as a combi deal. This makes me question my prior valuation for Roger's domain, because a lot of factors do play a role.

Cars is easy to spell, most people in the world know what a cars are, regardless of the country they come from, and it is a booming industry even with how we're shifting towards cars running on electricity. Powerful domain.

Bitcoin is exactly the same. It's easy to spell, everyone knows what you're talking about, and its industry is booming as well, and it has a lot more potential in terms of growth. $50 million might even be conservative.

I mean, I think it'll make sense that such a popular domain would be sold for so much. Cars, as a word is way more popular than bitcoin, or ethereum, and that was probably one of the reasons why it sold for so much, as well as there being a successful business run on the site.

Bitcoin.com would sell for quite a lot if there was a business run on it as well (which there is), and it might actually be worth more then I think with the cars domain stats.

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Quote from: green547 on September 16, 2019, 08:34:14 PM

Estimates on how much bitcoin.com would fetch on the open market?

According to worthofweb,comn it is worth $10 million dollar Estimated worth of this website: $10,670,000
https://www.worthofweb.com/website-value/https://www.bitcoin.com//
Obviously, because Bitcoin is one of the top keywords on the internet and it commands a good price in the market, one of the site with great value.

I wouldn't really trust any of those review sites, it's just a random bot spewing out numbers. They are only really good for lower value domain valuation.

So what do you think is the right value, the $10 million is a conservative value, one guy even think that it's worth $50 million we don't have to be surprised on its value it's pretty obvious that he owns the most valuable keywords in the internet and it will go up steadily as Bitcoin value and adoption moves forward, and besides this application has a metric that they are considering even if it is a bot.

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Quote from: green547 on September 16, 2019, 08:34:14 PM

Estimates on how much bitcoin.com would fetch on the open market?

Bitcoin.com is a very attractive domain name and i do not it anyone would be willing to sale it.
Still, there are many followers of Roger Ver and if he would sell it, the site may lose considerable traffic also.

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Quote from: slaman29 on October 04, 2019, 03:57:34 AM

I'm not sure anyone would spend that much on it now who had money or the Roger Ver attitude.

It would instantly go for many, many times more than $1 million if it were ever put up for sale.

Crypto.com supposedly went for $12 million last year and last year wasn't exactly a classic year for the whole market.

There are always people / businessmen who will buy what they think will be in trending the future. If bitcoin become mainstream, these domain names will be worth a million.

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Quote from: BitHodler on October 05, 2019, 03:24:12 AM

Quote from: 1Referee on October 04, 2019, 01:16:10 PM

Cars.com as business (valued at $2.5 billion) was sold where the valuation of the domain itself was reported as $872 million. If we ever get to see bitcoin dot com get sold, it will be done through a similar construction, because if you sell just the domain without a working business it's worth waaaay less.

Not in a hundred years would I expect a domain to fetch that much even though it was sold as a combi deal. This makes me question my prior valuation for Roger's domain, because a lot of factors do play a role.

Cars is easy to spell, most people in the world know what a cars are, regardless of the country they come from, and it is a booming industry even with how we're shifting towards cars running on electricity. Powerful domain.

Bitcoin is exactly the same. It's easy to spell, everyone knows what you're talking about, and its industry is booming as well, and it has a lot more potential in terms of growth. $50 million might even be conservative.

I mean, I think it'll make sense that such a popular domain would be sold for so much. Cars, as a word is way more popular than bitcoin, or ethereum, and that was probably one of the reasons why it sold for so much, as well as there being a successful business run on the site.

Bitcoin.com would sell for quite a lot if there was a business run on it as well (which there is), and it might actually be worth more then I think with the cars domain stats.

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Quote from: green547 on September 16, 2019, 08:34:14 PM

Estimates on how much bitcoin.com would fetch on the open market?

According to worthofweb,comn it is worth $10 million dollar Estimated worth of this website: $10,670,000
https://www.worthofweb.com/website-value/https://www.bitcoin.com//
Obviously, because Bitcoin is one of the top keywords on the internet and it commands a good price in the market, one of the site with great value.

I wouldn't really trust any of those review sites, it's just a random bot spewing out numbers. They are only really good for lower value domain valuation.

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Quote from: green547 on September 16, 2019, 08:34:14 PM

Estimates on how much bitcoin.com would fetch on the open market?

According to worthofweb,comn it is worth $10 million dollar Estimated worth of this website: $10,670,000
https://www.worthofweb.com/website-value/https://www.bitcoin.com//
Obviously, because Bitcoin is one of the top keywords on the internet and it commands a good price in the market, one of the site with great value.

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It should not worth more than $10M but maybe someone will offer more depends on the business they will run around it and how the name helps the business.The Bitcoin.com domain may be always own by Roger Ver. The domain can help a project to raise a lot of funds if somehow a scammer gets in access to the bitcoin.com domain it will obviously get in the news.

Roger Ver may be looking for a more healthy market than the price. Maybe he also set a time frame that in 2030 he will sell all his bitcoins. But $100k Per bitcoin is a good target IMO.

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Quote from: 1Referee on October 04, 2019, 01:16:10 PM

Cars.com as business (valued at $2.5 billion) was sold where the valuation of the domain itself was reported as $872 million. If we ever get to see bitcoin dot com get sold, it will be done through a similar construction, because if you sell just the domain without a working business it's worth waaaay less.

Not in a hundred years would I expect a domain to fetch that much even though it was sold as a combi deal. This makes me question my prior valuation for Roger's domain, because a lot of factors do play a role.

Cars is easy to spell, most people in the world know what a cars are, regardless of the country they come from, and it is a booming industry even with how we're shifting towards cars running on electricity. Powerful domain.

Bitcoin is exactly the same. It's easy to spell, everyone knows what you're talking about, and its industry is booming as well, and it has a lot more potential in terms of growth. $50 million might even be conservative.

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Quote from: slaman29 on October 04, 2019, 03:57:34 AM

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I think its price worth same value as paid Roger Ver - 1m$. If somebody bought it for that money then it costs that money.

As for price of selling: it depends on bitcoin future. If people will forgot about bitcoin as about financial bubble then price would be 10,000$ or so. If bitcoin will become popular again and its price will raise and raise then the price would be even 2m$ for sell.

He only paid 1 million for it? Quite surprised but I guess he bought it before the 2017 bull run huh. I'm not sure anyone would spend that much on it now who had money or the Roger Ver attitude.

I'm pretty sure he paid even more for the Bitcoin Twitter handle. OR was it someone else now that bought it?

Who cares though right? I do pity all the newbies who bought BCH by accident because they went to Bitcoin.com!

Not sure if that's completely true, I honestly can't see the biggest domain in crypto history going for a mere million dollars, in the bear market last year, crypto.com, the only other domain that could even be comparable to bitcoin.com sold for 12 million dollars, and I'd assume if it did go for 1 million, whenever it goes up for sale again, it'll definitely fetch a lot more (I estimate around 15-20 million, depending on who buys it, and if there's a huge bidding war for it).

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Quote from: mindrust on October 04, 2019, 04:17:05 AM

I think $1billion is a fair price.

Never in the history has a domain ever sold for anywhere near that amount. Roger has to include his whole empire, and it still wouldn't fetch a billion.

It's not easy to utilize that domain. It's great and all that everyone agrees it's valuable and powerful, but that also requires a relentless businessman behind it, which Roger is. How many people similar to Roger we have in crypto?

I'm sure Coinbase would turn it into a shitcoin platform where they ask noobs to complete tasks and courses in return for $20 worth of tokens of a project nobody ever cared about.

Agreed. Only a huge existing business would have enough ideas and resources to turn the domain into something big, I would assume the best way to profit off it would be turn into a buying/selling BTC site?

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Quote from: 1Referee on October 04, 2019, 01:16:10 PM

Quote from: BitHodler on October 04, 2019, 08:04:10 AM

Never in the history has a domain ever sold for anywhere near that amount.

Cars.com as business (valued at $2.5 billion) was sold where the valuation of the domain itself was reported as $872 million. If we ever get to see bitcoin dot com get sold, it will be done through a similar construction, because if you sell just the domain without a working business it's worth waaaay less.

I don't think any entity within crypto has the capital needed to acquire this domain including the businesses, unless they throw in shares of their own company to tempt Roger to sell it. If we get to witness a takeover, it will probably be an institution or large social media platform. I rather see Roger keep it in his portfolio than for example Facebook or Google.

No single entity would able to buy it for sure but im not saying that there were no billionaires out there.Asking for Billion does really need some justification but as you said if its just a domain then its way too less as expected.Giving out shares is really a tempting one but with Ver current standing i dont see that he would care for such offer but were pretty sure that there were already big institutions that eyeing out this domain.Its might not be that expensive or worth billions but this one can give a fortune if its being utilized well.

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Quote from: BitHodler on October 04, 2019, 08:04:10 AM

Never in the history has a domain ever sold for anywhere near that amount.

Cars.com as business (valued at $2.5 billion) was sold where the valuation of the domain itself was reported as $872 million. If we ever get to see bitcoin dot com get sold, it will be done through a similar construction, because if you sell just the domain without a working business it's worth waaaay less.

I don't think any entity within crypto has the capital needed to acquire this domain including the businesses, unless they throw in shares of their own company to tempt Roger to sell it. If we get to witness a takeover, it will probably be an institution or large social media platform. I rather see Roger keep it in his portfolio than for example Facebook or Google.

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Quote from: mindrust on October 04, 2019, 04:17:05 AM

I think $1billion is a fair price.

Never in the history has a domain ever sold for anywhere near that amount. Roger has to include his whole empire, and it still wouldn't fetch a billion.

It's not easy to utilize that domain. It's great and all that everyone agrees it's valuable and powerful, but that also requires a relentless businessman behind it, which Roger is. How many people similar to Roger we have in crypto?

I'm sure Coinbase would turn it into a shitcoin platform where they ask noobs to complete tasks and courses in return for $20 worth of tokens of a project nobody ever cared about.

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If it was mine, I wouldn't sell it unless someone pays me 1 billion dollars, in bitcoin, which is around 120k bitcoins.

But that's only me. Some other guy wouldn't sell it at all or sell it for $50k.

I think $1billion is a fair price.

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Quote from: slaman29 on October 04, 2019, 03:57:34 AM

I'm not sure anyone would spend that much on it now who had money or the Roger Ver attitude.

It would instantly go for many, many times more than $1 million if it were ever put up for sale.

Crypto.com supposedly went for $12 million last year and last year wasn't exactly a classic year for the whole market.

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Quote from: fakefrombot on October 03, 2019, 05:54:32 AM

I think its price worth same value as paid Roger Ver - 1m$. If somebody bought it for that money then it costs that money.

As for price of selling: it depends on bitcoin future. If people will forgot about bitcoin as about financial bubble then price would be 10,000$ or so. If bitcoin will become popular again and its price will raise and raise then the price would be even 2m$ for sell.

He only paid 1 million for it? Quite surprised but I guess he bought it before the 2017 bull run huh. I'm not sure anyone would spend that much on it now who had money or the Roger Ver attitude.

I'm pretty sure he paid even more for the Bitcoin Twitter handle. OR was it someone else now that bought it?

Who cares though right? I do pity all the newbies who bought BCH by accident because they went to Bitcoin.com!

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Quote from: gentlemand on October 02, 2019, 04:07:17 AM

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The value of domain name is not stable, it have more to do with the interest of the buyer. Two domain name appraisal tool websites displays different value for www.bitcoin.com

Would you really choose to believe automated shit like that? Those things are all junk but quadruply so for something like this.

It's going to be several million dollars no matter what, potentially tens of millions. A lot of money can be made with it.

Agreed. It's impossible to base a domains valuation of a random tool like that, those automated sites are only correct when it comes down to the 10 dollar domains, for higher-end ones like bitcoin.com, blockchain.com, the price is all based on how rich the buyer is and how much he is willing to pay.

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Quote from: fakefrombot on October 03, 2019, 05:54:32 AM

I think its price worth same value as paid Roger Ver - 1m$. If somebody bought it for that money then it costs that money.

As for price of selling: it depends on bitcoin future. If people will forgot about bitcoin as about financial bubble then price would be 10,000$ or so. If bitcoin will become popular again and its price will raise and raise then the price would be even 2m$ for sell.

In that case Amazon.com would be worth a few hundred dollars because when the store was founded the company operated from one room and Bezos did everything himself.

Sites grow in value like companies. You can't say that it's worth a million now that Ver has launched BCH and news outlet centered around his site. It's worth at least twice what he paid for it but he won't sell it for 2 million. Without it BCH would lose a lot of value and it would cost him more than 2 million.

Agreed mate, sometimes companies grow around a domain and then the domain grows in value, however, in this case, the domain was already pretty popular when it was first available/purchased and it's only been growing ever since.

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Quote from: fakefrombot on October 03, 2019, 05:54:32 AM

I think its price worth same value as paid Roger Ver - 1m$. If somebody bought it for that money then it costs that money.

As for price of selling: it depends on bitcoin future. If people will forgot about bitcoin as about financial bubble then price would be 10,000$ or so. If bitcoin will become popular again and its price will raise and raise then the price would be even 2m$ for sell.

In that case Amazon.com would be worth a few hundred dollars because when the store was founded the company operated from one room and Bezos did everything himself.

Sites grow in value like companies. You can't say that it's worth a million now that Ver has launched BCH and news outlet centered around his site. It's worth at least twice what he paid for it but he won't sell it for 2 million. Without it BCH would lose a lot of value and it would cost him more than 2 million.

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Quote from: BitHodler on October 03, 2019, 05:26:11 AM

Quote from: badykvik on October 02, 2019, 03:13:43 AM

The value of domain name is not stable, it have more to do with the interest of the buyer. Two domain name appraisal tool websites displays different value for www.bitcoin.com

https://uk.godaddy.com/domain-value-appraisal/appraisal/?checkAvail=1&tmskey=&domainToCheck=bitcoin.com - $25,000

https://www.freevaluator.com - $ 181,471.65

Domains like that and blockchain.com were going for $200-$300k when this whole space was nothing but a fart many years ago---blockchain as we know it today wasn't even a thing back then.

If $200-$300k was paid without there being much of a market for it back then, how much do you think (think logically) these domains are worth today with how this space in general has grown x1000?

If that wasn't enough info, a lot of these domains were paid for largely in Bitcoin.... you can imagine how many coins were needed to acquire these domains with how low Bitcoin's value was.

For sure it would really be on those high ranges if we do try to compare the prices in the past and how it did become big on the future.
All things start up from nothing until the trend changes as the years pass by.

What do I think does Bitcoin.com worth? Just like what most people do say on here, it would be ten of millions for sure but I don't think that Ver
would sell it for now but if he's been offered by his standard amount then it might changed up.

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I think its price worth same value as paid Roger Ver - 1m$. If somebody bought it for that money then it costs that money.

As for price of selling: it depends on bitcoin future. If people will forgot about bitcoin as about financial bubble then price would be 10,000$ or so. If bitcoin will become popular again and its price will raise and raise then the price would be even 2m$ for sell.

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Quote from: gentlemand on September 19, 2019, 01:18:48 PM

There's an interesting wee parallel with alts there. For whatever reason after all this time .com is still the gold standard despite it being three largely meaningless letters. The only reason why is because the collective has decided that's how it's going to be. Tokens.co is available for $999 right now. Is one solitary M worth another $499,001 to you?

For me, hell no! But some companies are pretty loaded, and I do see their point in paying an extra 499,000 for an extra M, it's all about brand image and being the first company in the game. When people think of a domain, it is hardwired in them that they usually think of one with a .com, and having a domain like tokens.com is worth the money, especially if they are a new start-up flush with funds.

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Quote from: badykvik on October 02, 2019, 03:13:43 AM

The value of domain name is not stable, it have more to do with the interest of the buyer. Two domain name appraisal tool websites displays different value for www.bitcoin.com

https://uk.godaddy.com/domain-value-appraisal/appraisal/?checkAvail=1&tmskey=&domainToCheck=bitcoin.com - $25,000

https://www.freevaluator.com - $ 181,471.65

Domains like that and blockchain.com were going for $200-$300k when this whole space was nothing but a fart many years ago---blockchain as we know it today wasn't even a thing back then.

If $200-$300k was paid without there being much of a market for it back then, how much do you think (think logically) these domains are worth today with how this space in general has grown x1000?

If that wasn't enough info, a lot of these domains were paid for largely in Bitcoin.... you can imagine how many coins were needed to acquire these domains with how low Bitcoin's value was.

They look for insane prices, even if the industry/niche is small, and then one day they end up hitting the jackpot when someone or a company with a lot of money to burn goes and picks up the thousand dollar domain.

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Quote from: badykvik on October 02, 2019, 03:13:43 AM

The value of domain name is not stable, it have more to do with the interest of the buyer. Two domain name appraisal tool websites displays different value for www.bitcoin.com

https://uk.godaddy.com/domain-value-appraisal/appraisal/?checkAvail=1&tmskey=&domainToCheck=bitcoin.com - $25,000

https://www.freevaluator.com - $ 181,471.65

Domains like that and blockchain.com were going for $200-$300k when this whole space was nothing but a fart many years ago---blockchain as we know it today wasn't even a thing back then.

If $200-$300k was paid without there being much of a market for it back then, how much do you think (think logically) these domains are worth today with how this space in general has grown x1000?

If that wasn't enough info, a lot of these domains were paid for largely in Bitcoin.... you can imagine how many coins were needed to acquire these domains with how low Bitcoin's value was.

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Quote from: badykvik on October 02, 2019, 03:13:43 AM

The value of domain name is not stable, it have more to do with the interest of the buyer. Two domain name appraisal tool websites displays different value for www.bitcoin.com

https://uk.godaddy.com/domain-value-appraisal/appraisal/?checkAvail=1&tmskey=&domainToCheck=bitcoin.com - $25,000

https://www.freevaluator.com - $ 181,471.65

If these appraisal services would be something people pain any attention to, domain hoarders would register thousands of domains because there are literally thousands of unregistered domains as we speak, that are said to be worth hundreds and some even thousands of dollars by these shitty sites.

Some domain sellers even purposely use these valuations to trick clueless people into thinking that they are offered an insane discount if they buy it. Don't fall for that shit.

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Quote from: badykvik on October 02, 2019, 03:13:43 AM

The value of domain name is not stable, it have more to do with the interest of the buyer. Two domain name appraisal tool websites displays different value for www.bitcoin.com

Would you really choose to believe automated shit like that? Those things are all junk but quadruply so for something like this.

It's going to be several million dollars no matter what, potentially tens of millions. A lot of money can be made with it.

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The value of domain name is not stable, it have more to do with the interest of the buyer. Two domain name appraisal tool websites displays different value for www.bitcoin.com

https://uk.godaddy.com/domain-value-appraisal/appraisal/?checkAvail=1&tmskey=&domainToCheck=bitcoin.com - $25,000

https://www.freevaluator.com - $ 181,471.65

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Quote from: shaw1 on September 30, 2019, 05:44:40 PM

You're 100% correct, and I appear quite the idiot.
Running on less than a normal amount of sleep, and in my mind managed to get bitcoin.com supplanted by BTC.com.

So yeah. There's that. My apologies, and thanks for setting the record straight.

Figures aside those are the businesses behind it rather than the domain itself which is more the focus of the discussion.

It would be extremely intriguing to know what other people could do with it if they were given the opportunity. It feels like they took a long time to get it warmed up and it's still not anywhere near its potential. Some of it still feels like placeholding rather than a concerted effort.

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Quote from: squatter on September 30, 2019, 05:33:04 PM

Quote from: shaw1 on September 30, 2019, 03:42:19 PM

I would propose a tremendously much higher number than most here are saying.

The reason being how much market share bitcoin.com's pool has in mining.

Over the past year, bitcoin.com has been responsible for over 17% of all blocks. That is 9485 blocks in one year.

That's absurd. Where did you get that idea? Their share of mining has been gradually declining -- currently 0.7%. Anyway, I'm inferring from this that Roger wouldn't sell at any price:

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I've never sold a single domain name in my life. I've only purchased them, and then used them.

You're 100% correct, and I appear quite the idiot.
Running on less than a normal amount of sleep, and in my mind managed to get bitcoin.com supplanted by BTC.com.

So yeah. There's that. My apologies, and thanks for setting the record straight.

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Quote from: shaw1 on September 30, 2019, 03:42:19 PM

I would propose a tremendously much higher number than most here are saying.

The reason being how much market share bitcoin.com's pool has in mining.

Over the past year, bitcoin.com has been responsible for over 17% of all blocks. That is 9485 blocks in one year.

That's absurd. Where did you get that idea? Their share of mining has been gradually declining -- currently 0.7%. Anyway, I'm inferring from this that Roger wouldn't sell at any price:

Quote from: MemoryDealers

I've never sold a single domain name in my life. I've only purchased them, and then used them.

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I would propose a tremendously much higher number than most here are saying.

The reason being how much market share bitcoin.com's pool has in mining.

Over the past year, bitcoin.com has been responsible for over 17% of all blocks. That is 9485 blocks in one year. They have a 2% fee on the block reward, I believe.

That 2% fee would put them receiving 0.25 BTC per block.
So the pool alone would account for 2371.25 BTC in income over the last year. (As of this writing).

Almost 20 million dollars in a year. Just from one of their products.

If we were to value the domain like a blog, or other such, we would multiply two to three years worth of income to determine the value.

That would put it at 40-60 million for a basic estimate of how much that site is worth just for the mining pool.

And bitcoin.com has a heck of a lot more than just a bitcoin mining pool.

I know, I know. Employees. Servers. BCH related expenses.
I find it hard to believe that he's not turning a pretty massive profit, though.

So my guess would be for all services included, maybe 100 million USD.

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0, because he is a scammer and a con artist - nah joke aside (no sreiously i am not lying), since his website bitcoin.com generated huge amount of traffic due to his huge amount of bitcoin cash followers and newbies falling because of his of the name of his site and his advertising that bitcoin cash is real bitcoin, their site could be valued to 10 - 30 million dollars aside from the site is top level domain which is very pricey domain and the huge amount of traffic coming from the site, the ccn.com was valued 7 digits (1-9 million usd) which bitcoin.com was performing better than ccn.com. i doubt that Roger Ver will sell his website soon since his BCH is performing good as of now.

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Apart from the traffic the site is having on a regular basis, I think the main selling point of the domain and where most of the value lies is on the fact that the one who has it controls a significant amount of followers--especially the new ones--because they can easily post whatever the hell they like on that website and people would believe it without second thoughts. Also knowing Roger Ver, the dude is egotistic at best, and would not sell his only prized possession currently.. not that his forked coin isn't worth something..

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Quote from: LTU_btc on September 20, 2019, 04:20:27 AM

Here is what Ver said about it:

Quote from: MemoryDealers on September 18, 2019, 01:06:03 AM

I've never sold a single domain name in my life. I've only purchased them, and then used them.

I don't think he would ever sell this domain. It's very important weapon for him in war against Bitcoin and his ego is probably too big to sell it.

I never thought of this before until today, but the funny thing about him using that domain is the free advertising he does for Bitcoin while his sole intention is to market BCash. The same pretty much applies to the BSV camp where they are also bleeding a lot of exposure to Bitcoin, especially with how they refer to BSV as Bitcoin and not as Bitcoin SV.

People by now already know that Bitcoin doesn't cost $300 per coin anymore, or $130 in BSV's case. Too bad for Roger, the bitcoincash dot com domain is currently in possession of the BSV camp, but then again, similarly, they're doing free advertising for Roger's BCash.

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Here is what Ver said about it:

Quote from: MemoryDealers on September 18, 2019, 01:06:03 AM

I've never sold a single domain name in my life. I've only purchased them, and then used them.

I don't think he would ever sell this domain. It's very important weapon for him in war against Bitcoin and his ego is probably too big to sell it.
But if someone would offer him it - https://youtu.be/u_aLESDql1U, I'm sure that he wouldn't say no Cheesy

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Quote from: tmfp on September 18, 2019, 01:22:46 PM

Quote from: shield132 on September 17, 2019, 12:50:41 PM

Please can you share the history of bitcoin.com domain?

According to the man himself (if you can bear to give him a click)
https://news.bitcoin.com/the-history-of-bitcoin-com-an-introduction-to-our-new-company-blog/
If you can't

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Bitcoin.com was registered in January of 2008, a year before the protocol was released by Satoshi Nakamoto back in January of 2009. After the domain was created, one of the earliest bitcoin exchanges, Tradehill, took over the website six years ago but the ownership didn’t last long. The trading platform fell apart, and the domain was then transferred over to Roger Ver in April of 2014.
Ver explains that he purchased Bitcoin.com for an undisclosed sum. Originally Blockchain.info was going to use the website as the main landing page Ver says, but the idea never came to fruition.
Following this Ver negotiated a deal with the Chinese exchange, Okcoin, to lease the website as he had several other offers from interested parties. Ver says that Okcoin provided the best offer for the lease agreement and the two parties worked out an arrangement.
Okcoin didn’t put much work into the website’s design and in May of 2015 Ver revealed to the public that the exchange owed him funds for overdue payments. Ver explains that “Okcoin breached the agreement in every manner possible.”

Despite the fact that this site is under Roger's management and all of his work is shit done for the sake of bitcoin cash (You can't imagine how much he hurts when he hears first bitcoin and then cash), this article is still educational for me so why not to bear?
Bitcoin cash was splitted in august 2017 and this article was written in september 2017, so it's not modified for the sake of bch yeah? I don't remember if he was supporter of BCH from the very first begining.
Btw this domain's price won't be high in overall because this domain was and is used as owners wish, it has low reputation despite the fact that it's .com domain of major cryptocurrency. Domain supporting bitcoin, then bitcoin cash and then who knows that, maybe ripple? lol

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Quote from: gentlemand on September 19, 2019, 01:18:48 PM

I'd be curious to know what other posters here would do if they owned such valuable properties like that handle and bitcoin.com. Would you whore it out or safeguard its exploitation? No amount of money would make up for the disgust I'd feel at the misleading going on.

i'd like to think i'd be super ethical but greed is a powerful thing.

i definitely can't see myself doing what roger ver did with BCH. tbh i'd probably whore it out for advertising to the highest bidding exchange/service that wasn't an outright scam. like roger tried to do with okcoin years ago.

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Quote from: figmentofmyass on September 19, 2019, 01:14:20 PM

@gentlemand thanks for finding that. i never read the reputation board.

tbh i thought jack dorsey had something to do with it. i'm glad to see he didn't. a lot of early adopters probably got together and backed the sale. i assume instagibbs isn't really loaded enough to outbid roger ver.

It's a weird board that's best avoided overall. It's 96.8% pointless and incomprehensible shrieking about stuff that I genuinely cannot figure out what they're on about. Do these people have actual business dealings with each other? It rarely looks like it.

The odd gem pops up though like that.

I'd be curious to know what other posters here would do if they owned such valuable properties like that handle and bitcoin.com. Would you whore it out or safeguard its exploitation? No amount of money would make up for the disgust I'd feel at the misleading going on. It would be very, very hard to resist whoring but there's no way I could allow it without a giant veto button.

Quote from: Kyraishi on September 18, 2019, 07:44:35 PM

I'm going off this figure from recent sales from other popular crypto based domain, like the ones below.

Crypto.com was sold for 12 million to a finance project. (biggest domain sale ever)
Tokens.com was sold for 500,000.
Tokens.com was also sold for an undisclosed price, I'd assume around the 2 million mark.
ETH.com was sold for 2 million.

There's an interesting wee parallel with alts there. For whatever reason after all this time .com is still the gold standard despite it being three largely meaningless letters. The only reason why is because the collective has decided that's how it's going to be. Tokens.co is available for $999 right now. Is one solitary M worth another $499,001 to you?

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@gentlemand thanks for finding that. i never read the reputation board.

tbh i thought jack dorsey had something to do with it. i'm glad to see he didn't. some early adopters probably got together and backed the sale. i assume instagibbs isn't really loaded enough to outbid roger ver.

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Quote from: gentlemand on September 19, 2019, 04:01:53 AM

I've never seen anything other than that one tweet confirming who the new controller is. I really can't imagine anyone paying more than Roger to fuck with us so my assumption is that the original owner got sick of it all and took it back.

It's possible Blockstream is funding it but I'd hope they had better things to do.

theymos's perspective on this matter; https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52219756

I think that people severely overestimate Roger's wealth. It has been more than clear that he spent most of his Bitcoin and very likely fiat buying Bcash. If you also take into consideration the money that the spends on marketing, dozens of employees he pays (employees of a business that generates little to no profit), it becomes clear that he can't just recklessly spend money left and right anymore.

As for Blockstream funding it, I seriously doubt it with how Adam Back (CEO of Blockstream) was just as surprised and suspicious as anyone else.

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Quote from: 1Referee on September 17, 2019, 06:00:35 PM

It seems that @Bitcoin is owned by someone unkown who's leasing out that account to the highest bidder. The highest bidder used to be Roger Ver, hence the BCash propaganda posts, but now it's controlled by a true Bitcoiner with a dislike towards everything Roger Ver was Tweeting about.

The downside to this is that we don't know what will happen when the person who's currently in control of the @Bitcoin account no longer has the funds to extend the lease. In that case I'm pretty certain that Roger will attempt to get it back to shill BCash crap again. It really sucks that the actual account owner only cares about profiteering and not about the community that Roger has been lying to for so long.

This is the current account lessee; https://twitter.com/theinstagibbs/status/1163837511287869441

I've never seen anything other than that one tweet confirming who the new controller is. I really can't imagine anyone paying more than Roger to fuck with us so my assumption is that the original owner got sick of it all and took it back.

It's possible Blockstream is funding it but I'd hope they had better things to do.

Edit -

Quote from: MemoryDealers on September 19, 2019, 04:11:53 AM

Quote from: mindrust on September 18, 2019, 02:47:50 AM

Quote from: MemoryDealers on September 18, 2019, 01:36:37 AM

Quote from: Sat0shisGhost on September 17, 2019, 04:21:42 PM

I have a question for MemoryDealers.

What's the deal with the @bitcoin twitter account? Why did it recently go from supporting BCH to supporting BTC?

The original owner had been involved in Bitcoin since 2009, and agrees that Bitcoin Cash is the version of Bitcoin he got involved in.
Unfortunately he needed money for other things, and the new owner of the ID clearly has a different opinion.

Something is off. He didn't sell it to you, strangely.

That's strange. Way too strange. Knowing you, I am pretty sure you are lying again.

If the original pro-bcash owner needed money... he should have come to you first. You would pay the most buck for that account. But for some strange reason, he sold it to a pro-bitcoin guy. Nope. It didn't happen like that. Doesn't make sense.

That is exactly what happened. He did offer it to me. I thought, and still think the price was too high, so he sold it to someone else who lied to him about his views on myself and Bitcoin Cash.

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Quote from: green547 on September 16, 2019, 08:34:14 PM

Estimates on how much bitcoin.com would fetch on the open market?

he uses this site to promote himself and to promote BCH, as long as BCH exists he will not sell this site but as we are making assumptions so let's go there:

when CCN.com had problems with google they were offered 7 digits to sell the site, you can read the article here:

https://cointelegraph.com/news/the-strange-case-of-ccn-and-the-google-june-2019-core-update

7 digits are 1 to 9 million dollars, if we assume Bitcoin.com is better than ccn.com then I would estimate Biticoin.com to be worth between 50 million to 80 million dollars, because it includes wallet, mining and many other things. , it would be difficult for him to sell this domain. Look at this:

Roger Ver Shares His Story in New Video Series

It's a story where he tells that he had the entrepreneurial spirit since childhood, you can imagine the he will not sell the only place that he can promote himself

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Not sure how much roger would sell it for, but I'm guessing over 25 million, even more, if the government or a political force will buy it up.

I'm going off this figure from recent sales from other popular crypto based domain, like the ones below.

Crypto.com was sold for 12 million to a finance project. (biggest domain sale ever)
Tokens.com was sold for 500,000.
Tokens.com was also sold for an undisclosed price, I'd assume around the 2 million mark.
ETH.com was sold for 2 million.

So 25 million is a fair price assuming that it is the most popular domain in crypto, and the amount of political influence someone or something would have with that domain.

I don't think he would ever sell or lease it again unless it was to a pretty trusted exchange, or a bcash supporter, because I don't think anyone is willing to purchase the domain right now, and Roger has already been screwed over by Okcoin before so it'll be ever harder to get the trade through.

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Quote from: shield132 on September 17, 2019, 12:50:41 PM

Please can you share the history of bitcoin.com domain?

According to the man himself (if you can bear to give him a click)
https://news.bitcoin.com/the-history-of-bitcoin-com-an-introduction-to-our-new-company-blog/
If you can't

Quote

Bitcoin.com was registered in January of 2008, a year before the protocol was released by Satoshi Nakamoto back in January of 2009. After the domain was created, one of the earliest bitcoin exchanges, Tradehill, took over the website six years ago but the ownership didn’t last long. The trading platform fell apart, and the domain was then transferred over to Roger Ver in April of 2014.
Ver explains that he purchased Bitcoin.com for an undisclosed sum. Originally Blockchain.info was going to use the website as the main landing page Ver says, but the idea never came to fruition.
Following this Ver negotiated a deal with the Chinese exchange, Okcoin, to lease the website as he had several other offers from interested parties. Ver says that Okcoin provided the best offer for the lease agreement and the two parties worked out an arrangement.
Okcoin didn’t put much work into the website’s design and in May of 2015 Ver revealed to the public that the exchange owed him funds for overdue payments. Ver explains that “Okcoin breached the agreement in every manner possible.”

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Quote from: shield132 on September 17, 2019, 12:50:41 PM

Quote from: PassThePopcorn on September 17, 2019, 08:22:56 AM

Quote from: green547 on September 16, 2019, 08:34:14 PM

Estimates on how much bitcoin.com would fetch on the open market?

He leased / rented it a few years ago for something around 10k/month, but the people who leased it were garbage at running a website / business and he took it back.

As for the value I don't think he will sell it and doubt he'll put a value on it.

Please can you share the history of bitcoin.com domain? I am really interested how Roger get his hands on this domain and somehow curious, why theymos and people behind bitcointalk.org / bitcoin.org didn't get that domain.
On another hand OP, it doesn't matter much what was website's history which was built on bitcoin.com domain if Roger plans to sell because this is top domain. Just check yourself keyword "Bitcoin" in google keyword planner and you'll see the results. So domain bitcoin.com worths millions and if we consider the fact that it's news website, these news worths money too and it adds extra price to it but domain alone still rocks.

I'm not sure of specifics, I know many years ago bitcoin.com just redirected to bitcoin.org. Then it was leased to a group from Roger and the next part of what I remember is a tweet / message from Roger bashing on the people he leased it to after they claimed they couldn't run it at a profit. Sometime after that it was returned to his control and then it became the bitcoin.com of today (well started to at least).

To be fair he was "bashing" on them because they claimed they couldn't pay but still wanted to run the site. His bashing was along the lines of how to run a website and what things you could do to bring in some revenue so they could pay him.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on September 17, 2019, 11:12:53 PM

If the domain no longer serves the political purpose of promoting BCH, Ver can calculate how much income the domain is expected to generate over time, and use a net present value estimation of the value of the future income to determine how much the domain is worth. If he receives an offer greater than this amount, he will likely sell the domain.

Yeap. It completely boils down to how much the offer would be; and knowing how passionate Ver is, the offer would need to be far bigger than it's current worth for him to consider selling it. The potential money to be made from making bitcoin.com an on-ramp exchange is just too big. I'm very sure that Roger could get away with selling bitcoin with a 20% premium just because of the domain itself, from taking advantage of people who think bitcoin.com is sort of like the "official bitcoin website" or something lol.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on September 17, 2019, 01:22:16 AM

I don’t see Ver selling bitcoin.com unless bcash is no more, or Ver decides to get back into bitcoin.

Roger never left bitcoin to want to come back to it. he has always been "in" bitcoin! things like BCash are only additional revenues for people like him to make themselves richer.

you are right about the "political value" of this domain though and i don't think he will ever sell it even if BCash died and someone offered a very good deal for the domain. it is not like he needs the money. at some point having the "power" is more important than the money.

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Quote from: mk4 on September 17, 2019, 05:15:45 AM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on September 17, 2019, 01:22:16 AM

I don’t see Ver selling bitcoin.com unless bcash is no more, or Ver decides to get back into bitcoin.

I still don't see Ver selling bitcoin.com even if BCH dies. The potential money that could be made using the domain is still a lot, and that it could also be worth a lot more in the future as more money comes into bitcoin and as adoption grows. Unless of course, that he would be offered a huge sum of money; higher than it's current value(whatever the value may be).

If the domain no longer serves the political purpose of promoting BCH, Ver can calculate how much income the domain is expected to generate over time, and use a net present value estimation of the value of the future income to determine how much the domain is worth. If he receives an offer greater than this amount, he will likely sell the domain.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on September 17, 2019, 01:22:16 AM

The political value of bitcoin.com far outweighs the FMV of the domain IMO.

I don’t see Ver selling bitcoin.com unless bcash is no more, or Ver decides to get back into bitcoin.

this is key---roger has sunk a lot of capital into BCH. the launch of the bitcoin.com exchange (pushing BCH pairs) shows he's obviously prepared to dig himself even deeper. there's no way he's giving up the domain, especially after losing the @bitcoin twitter handle.

Ideally he will eventually come to his senses regarding BCH. I really don't see the value in storing a transaction for every time someone buys a coffee in New York or Miami (I have no interest in keeping transactions from across the country). I don't know how much of his net worth is tied up in BCH, and how much BTC he has left, and how easily he could convert his BCH into BTC without destroying the price of BCH.

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This domain is not easy to estimate the price I'm sure the value will be a hundred k+ or millions due to high traffic and high authority backlinks like the analysis from similarweb posted above. As you can see on the analysis that the half of the traffics comes from a direct source it means most people directly type bitcoin.com into the browser.

Why not use some Domain value calculator? I think it will give you the estimated value of the website, not accurate but it will still give you the idea of how much will be the value of the website.

Look at this estimator here https://bitcoin.com.cutestat.com/
The estimated value for that domain is $ 1,580,040.00

Too expensive...

How about this estimator http://www.markosweb.com/www/bitcoin.com/
The estimated domain worth is $6,002
Pretty cheap compared to above...

So it's not easy to estimate what will be the value of this domain if you want a list of website value estimator you can check them from here 9 Websites to Check Your Website Value Online

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Quote from: hugeblack on September 17, 2019, 10:13:30 AM

What happened to that account, s/he started giving inaccurate and sometimes conflicting information, I tried to correct one of that information but he blocked me. Cry

At least it's better than before.

It seems that @Bitcoin is owned by someone unkown who's leasing out that account to the highest bidder. The highest bidder used to be Roger Ver, hence the BCash propaganda posts, but now it's controlled by a true Bitcoiner with a dislike towards everything Roger Ver was Tweeting about.

The downside to this is that we don't know what will happen when the person who's currently in control of the @Bitcoin account no longer has the funds to extend the lease. In that case I'm pretty certain that Roger will attempt to get it back to shill BCash crap again. It really sucks that the actual account owner only cares about profiteering and not about the community that Roger has been lying to for so long.

This is the current account lessee; https://twitter.com/theinstagibbs/status/1163837511287869441

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Quote from: mk4 on September 17, 2019, 05:15:45 AM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on September 17, 2019, 01:22:16 AM

I don’t see Ver selling bitcoin.com unless bcash is no more, or Ver decides to get back into bitcoin.

I still don't see Ver selling bitcoin.com even if BCH dies. The potential money that could be made using the domain is still a lot, and that it could also be worth a lot more in the future as more money comes into bitcoin and as adoption grows. Unless of course, that he would be offered a huge sum of money; higher than it's current value(whatever the value may be).

Anything does have a price and we wouldnt know if Ver will reconsider it if he do see some considerable numbers that been offered but for sure it wont be cheap but for now
I dont see a reason for him to sell it out, when it comes to financial aspect we know Rogers capability and for sure he wont need some cash at the moment.
The time comes where he do need to pull out some then the possibilities is always there.

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Quote from: hugeblack on September 17, 2019, 10:13:30 AM

If Roge offers it for sale, Did you think that theymos will buy it? I don't know but I think he has enough money and motivation to do it.

I don't think theymos has a few spare millions to blow on a domain. It's more likely that it would be bought by Jack, Twitter and Square CEO, or maybe Tim Draper if he feels it can help him business-wise.

It's a great domain for sure, but the thing is that not many people can put that domain to work in an efficient and profitable way. Roger has shown how to turn it into a money making machine and symbol of power.

Roger has enough BTC left he can dump to finance his businesses. He would do everything to not sell it. At the end of the day, just keeping that domain will only cost him $10 a year. Not a big deal.

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Quote from: PassThePopcorn on September 17, 2019, 08:22:56 AM

Quote from: green547 on September 16, 2019, 08:34:14 PM

Estimates on how much bitcoin.com would fetch on the open market?

He leased / rented it a few years ago for something around 10k/month, but the people who leased it were garbage at running a website / business and he took it back.

As for the value I don't think he will sell it and doubt he'll put a value on it.

Please can you share the history of bitcoin.com domain? I am really interested how Roger get his hands on this domain and somehow curious, why theymos and people behind bitcointalk.org / bitcoin.org didn't get that domain.
On another hand OP, it doesn't matter much what was website's history which was built on bitcoin.com domain if Roger plans to sell because this is top domain. Just check yourself keyword "Bitcoin" in google keyword planner and you'll see the results. So domain bitcoin.com worths millions and if we consider the fact that it's news website, these news worths money too and it adds extra price to it but domain alone still rocks.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on September 17, 2019, 01:22:16 AM

The political value of bitcoin.com far outweighs the FMV of the domain IMO.

I don’t see Ver selling bitcoin.com unless bcash is no more, or Ver decides to get back into bitcoin.

this is key---roger has sunk a lot of capital into BCH. the launch of the bitcoin.com exchange (pushing BCH pairs) shows he's obviously prepared to dig himself even deeper. there's no way he's giving up the domain, especially after losing the @bitcoin twitter handle.

Quote from: hugeblack on September 17, 2019, 10:13:30 AM

If Roge offers it for sale, Did you think that theymos will buy it?

hell will freeze over before he sells to theymos. Cheesy

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Some of these sites are useful in spreading rumors, especially for new members, Bitcoin.com is one of those sites.
If Roge offers it for sale, Did you think that theymos will buy it? I don't know but I think he has enough money and motivation to do it.

Quote from: 1Referee on September 17, 2019, 07:41:01 AM

What I am more interested in is to find out whether he actually owns the domain in full or not. Before the @Bitcoin Twitter shifted

What happened to that account, s/he started giving inaccurate and sometimes conflicting information, I tried to correct one of that information but he blocked me. Cry

At least it's better than before.

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Quote from: green547 on September 16, 2019, 08:34:14 PM

Estimates on how much bitcoin.com would fetch on the open market?

He leased / rented it a few years ago for something around 10k/month, but the people who leased it were garbage at running a website / business and he took it back.

As for the value I don't think he will sell it and doubt he'll put a value on it.

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Definitely well in the millions, but that's today. If you add world reserve currency status at one point in the future, this domain could very well be a few hundred million dollars at today's purchasing power ratio. It's a powerful weapon for both a good and ill minded entity. In Roger's case it (unfortunately) is being used by an ill minded entity.

What I am more interested in is to find out whether he actually owns the domain in full or not. Before the @Bitcoin Twitter shifted narrative people assumed it was Roger's toy, but turns out it wasn't at all. I wouldn't be too surprised if the same applies to bitcoin dot com.

Too bad for Roger that the whitepaper refers to bitcoin.org which everyone in the space is well aware of. Grin

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on September 17, 2019, 01:22:16 AM

I don’t see Ver selling bitcoin.com unless bcash is no more, or Ver decides to get back into bitcoin.

I still don't see Ver selling bitcoin.com even if BCH dies. The potential money that could be made using the domain is still a lot, and that it could also be worth a lot more in the future as more money comes into bitcoin and as adoption grows. Unless of course, that he would be offered a huge sum of money; higher than it's current value(whatever the value may be).

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on September 17, 2019, 01:22:16 AM

I don’t see Ver selling bitcoin.com unless bcash is no more, or Ver decides to get back into bitcoin.

Logically a person who holds the dotcom domain name of the biggest cryptocurrency in the world would not sell it unless they fall into some dire situation and become needy of financial support readily. I am sure RVer does not happen to go into such a crisis. After all every altcoin people create is a money making method for them only and not the traders of that coin. However lack of logic and reasoning is pretty high in RVer's mindset and the way he approaches to anybody regarding a criticism does make people think that he is mentally unstable on different levels.

Hence it be very much possible that the domain gets out on auction and its price would be huge, you cant even start to imagine that.

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The political value of bitcoin.com far outweighs the FMV of the domain IMO.

I don’t see Ver selling bitcoin.com unless bcash is no more, or Ver decides to get back into bitcoin.

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I really can't put a number to it because there are simply too much factors to take into account, but I personally think it's easily easily in the millions range. In an internet marketing perspective, while most of us think that bitcoin.com is definitely not a reputable site/domain, the Google search algorithm thinks otherwise. The domain simply is being used since forever(in bitcoin terms) as far as I know, and the domain has a pretty high domain authority as a result. It has a shit-ton of backlinks.

If you're interested in statistics concerning the domain:

tldr; it's worth A LOT.

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