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Topic: How much is all of this stuff worth? Casascius coins + Lealana and others (Read 643 times)

legendary
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The fact that the 25 BTC coin's holo is not completely destroyed (looks to be only peeled slightly) and yet it HAS been swept, to me, points to some solvent being used to try to compromise the coin without detection. This was performed at Defcon several years ago and it took all of 10 minutes.
I am not trying to spread speculation, but please can someone answer how else this could happen? Whenever I've peeled a coin, it is completely destroyed. It looks nothing like the coin pictured. Compare to the other 2013 Cas Brass pictured - that one looks normal.

The hack was far from perfect, you could see the places where the needle penetrated the holo with the naked eye. 
This is why I recommend to inspect the holo with a magnifier or microscope if you buy from a none trusted source.
Afaik the lazer edged holo on the Cas 1 BTC silvers has never been hacked, mike did the lazer edging as a respond to defcon, I am surprised not more coin manufacturers have adopted this technique.

Pretty sure the etched privkey can be seen under X-Ray without peeling. 

If that is true than all nastycoins should be considered compromised, I wonder if OGnasty took any steps to prevent this.

The guy that made those wallets that were almost impossible to destroy, and bip38 encrypted xrayed his and the private key couldnt be read, They had a really weird name, and if someone could guessed the inspiration of the name they got one free. Can anyone recall?

They were the KEYOIS capsules
Original page here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wts-the-keyois-capsule-a-new-type-of-physical-bitcoin-new12-ton-press-video-1659001
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The fact that the 25 BTC coin's holo is not completely destroyed (looks to be only peeled slightly) and yet it HAS been swept, to me, points to some solvent being used to try to compromise the coin without detection. This was performed at Defcon several years ago and it took all of 10 minutes.
I am not trying to spread speculation, but please can someone answer how else this could happen? Whenever I've peeled a coin, it is completely destroyed. It looks nothing like the coin pictured. Compare to the other 2013 Cas Brass pictured - that one looks normal.

The hack was far from perfect, you could see the places where the needle penetrated the holo with the naked eye. 
This is why I recommend to inspect the holo with a magnifier or microscope if you buy from a none trusted source.
Afaik the lazer edged holo on the Cas 1 BTC silvers has never been hacked, mike did the lazer edging as a respond to defcon, I am surprised not more coin manufacturers have adopted this technique.

Pretty sure the etched privkey can be seen under X-Ray without peeling. 

There are no etched keys on Casascius coins.  They are talking about the melt ring around the edge of the hologram that is made using a laser.

Does anyone have a good picture of a cas coin that has the laser etched edged vs one that has been peeled and the edge has been destroyed just curious to see how they look as ive never even held a real cassascius coin
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The fact that the 25 BTC coin's holo is not completely destroyed (looks to be only peeled slightly) and yet it HAS been swept, to me, points to some solvent being used to try to compromise the coin without detection. This was performed at Defcon several years ago and it took all of 10 minutes.
I am not trying to spread speculation, but please can someone answer how else this could happen? Whenever I've peeled a coin, it is completely destroyed. It looks nothing like the coin pictured. Compare to the other 2013 Cas Brass pictured - that one looks normal.

The hack was far from perfect, you could see the places where the needle penetrated the holo with the naked eye. 
This is why I recommend to inspect the holo with a magnifier or microscope if you buy from a none trusted source.
Afaik the lazer edged holo on the Cas 1 BTC silvers has never been hacked, mike did the lazer edging as a respond to defcon, I am surprised not more coin manufacturers have adopted this technique.

Pretty sure the etched privkey can be seen under X-Ray without peeling. 

If that is true than all nastycoins should be considered compromised, I wonder if OGnasty took any steps to prevent this.

The guy that made those wallets that were almost impossible to destroy, and bip38 encrypted xrayed his and the private key couldnt be read, They had a really weird name, and if someone could guessed the inspiration of the name they got one free. Can anyone recall?
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The fact that the 25 BTC coin's holo is not completely destroyed (looks to be only peeled slightly) and yet it HAS been swept, to me, points to some solvent being used to try to compromise the coin without detection. This was performed at Defcon several years ago and it took all of 10 minutes.
I am not trying to spread speculation, but please can someone answer how else this could happen? Whenever I've peeled a coin, it is completely destroyed. It looks nothing like the coin pictured. Compare to the other 2013 Cas Brass pictured - that one looks normal.

The hack was far from perfect, you could see the places where the needle penetrated the holo with the naked eye. 
This is why I recommend to inspect the holo with a magnifier or microscope if you buy from a none trusted source.
Afaik the lazer edged holo on the Cas 1 BTC silvers has never been hacked, mike did the lazer edging as a respond to defcon, I am surprised not more coin manufacturers have adopted this technique.

Pretty sure the etched privkey can be seen under X-Ray without peeling. 

There are no etched keys on Casascius coins.  They are talking about the melt ring around the edge of the hologram that is made using a laser.

Ah, gotcha.
hero member
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The fact that the 25 BTC coin's holo is not completely destroyed (looks to be only peeled slightly) and yet it HAS been swept, to me, points to some solvent being used to try to compromise the coin without detection. This was performed at Defcon several years ago and it took all of 10 minutes.
I am not trying to spread speculation, but please can someone answer how else this could happen? Whenever I've peeled a coin, it is completely destroyed. It looks nothing like the coin pictured. Compare to the other 2013 Cas Brass pictured - that one looks normal.

The hack was far from perfect, you could see the places where the needle penetrated the holo with the naked eye. 
This is why I recommend to inspect the holo with a magnifier or microscope if you buy from a none trusted source.
Afaik the lazer edged holo on the Cas 1 BTC silvers has never been hacked, mike did the lazer edging as a respond to defcon, I am surprised not more coin manufacturers have adopted this technique.

Pretty sure the etched privkey can be seen under X-Ray without peeling. 

There are no etched keys on Casascius coins.  They are talking about the melt ring around the edge of the hologram that is made using a laser.
member
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The fact that the 25 BTC coin's holo is not completely destroyed (looks to be only peeled slightly) and yet it HAS been swept, to me, points to some solvent being used to try to compromise the coin without detection. This was performed at Defcon several years ago and it took all of 10 minutes.
I am not trying to spread speculation, but please can someone answer how else this could happen? Whenever I've peeled a coin, it is completely destroyed. It looks nothing like the coin pictured. Compare to the other 2013 Cas Brass pictured - that one looks normal.

The hack was far from perfect, you could see the places where the needle penetrated the holo with the naked eye. 
This is why I recommend to inspect the holo with a magnifier or microscope if you buy from a none trusted source.
Afaik the lazer edged holo on the Cas 1 BTC silvers has never been hacked, mike did the lazer edging as a respond to defcon, I am surprised not more coin manufacturers have adopted this technique.

Pretty sure the etched privkey can be seen under X-Ray without peeling. 
hero member
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Correct, most coins can be peeled with the hologram at least 50% still attached.
And certain coins, once you put the hologram back down on them, it is hard to tell that they were peeled. BTCC 1st hologram is like this

Wow, that is good and scary to know at the same time.. I gotta send all my coins to you for rechecking.. lol
legendary
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I prefer a coin with the holo AND the private key with it than nothing but a coin.  Wink

This pretty much nails a post peel coins desirability. The more of the original that is still available, the better. Coin, holo AND Priv Key. All part of the provenance of the coin.
As we go forward, provenance of coins is going to become vital.
Coins without it will sell for much less.
Why?
We have yet to see a true wave of determined knock offs appear. When they do, custody chains, PGP certs and anything that can provide quality provenance will be incredibly valuable to a coins resell value.

We have already seen premiums getting mauled as a result of BTC's rise. They will get worse without a full/trustworthy history. This can be said for ANY loaded item.

Viz
legendary
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The Stone the masons rejected was the cornerstone.
The fact that the 25 BTC coin's holo is not completely destroyed (looks to be only peeled slightly) and yet it HAS been swept, to me, points to some solvent being used to try to compromise the coin without detection. This was performed at Defcon several years ago and it took all of 10 minutes.
I am not trying to spread speculation, but please can someone answer how else this could happen? Whenever I've peeled a coin, it is completely destroyed. It looks nothing like the coin pictured. Compare to the other 2013 Cas Brass pictured - that one looks normal.

When I peel a coin I try to not destroy the hologram and only actually peel like 25% of it. I think most people here try to preserve the hologram when peeling so it's still got the hologram when they resell them

  Yes agree...the hologram is an integral part of the coin and should be preserved as much as possible to be able to be sodl with the coin itself.

  I prefer a coin with the holo AND the private key with it than nothing but a coin.  Wink
legendary
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One coin to rule them all
The fact that the 25 BTC coin's holo is not completely destroyed (looks to be only peeled slightly) and yet it HAS been swept, to me, points to some solvent being used to try to compromise the coin without detection. This was performed at Defcon several years ago and it took all of 10 minutes.
I am not trying to spread speculation, but please can someone answer how else this could happen? Whenever I've peeled a coin, it is completely destroyed. It looks nothing like the coin pictured. Compare to the other 2013 Cas Brass pictured - that one looks normal.

The hack was far from perfect, you could see the places where the needle penetrated the holo with the naked eye. 
This is why I recommend to inspect the holo with a magnifier or microscope if you buy from a none trusted source.
Afaik the lazer edged holo on the Cas 1 BTC silvers has never been hacked, mike did the lazer edging as a respond to defcon, I am surprised not more coin manufacturers have adopted this technique.
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The fact that the 25 BTC coin's holo is not completely destroyed (looks to be only peeled slightly) and yet it HAS been swept, to me, points to some solvent being used to try to compromise the coin without detection. This was performed at Defcon several years ago and it took all of 10 minutes.
I am not trying to spread speculation, but please can someone answer how else this could happen? Whenever I've peeled a coin, it is completely destroyed. It looks nothing like the coin pictured. Compare to the other 2013 Cas Brass pictured - that one looks normal.

When I peel a coin I try to not destroy the hologram and only actually peel like 25% of it. I think most people here try to preserve the hologram when peeling so it's still got the hologram when they resell them
hero member
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In Memory of Zepher
I believe these all are owned by the OP due to the pictures and camera matching up.  That said anyone should use escrow with brand new accounts.

You've done very well for yourself with these purchases over the years. People on the forum tend to build up reputation, so it's odd that we see a brand new account with years worth of memorabilia. 

The premium in BTC terms has taken a huge hit on all of the loaded coins. Those 1 btc peeled brass Casascius coins can go anywhere from $100-500 depending on condition.  Ebay has several for reference pricing. 
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Thank you all for your replies!

I’m not wanting to sell or trying to scam anyone I just want to know how much all is worth.

Guess all in all I spent about $2K in all of those items years ago, from the replies all of it can go for about $30K in todays market? Been kind off the collectables market for some time that’s why I’m asking.

Those 1 btc peeled coins I bought for $5 each, how much are they going for now?

I’ll probably just leave them for my kids or keep them and sell in 30 years for my retirement money if I survive that long  Grin unless I get some out of this world offer for any of the items... don’t think that will happen.
legendary
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The Stone the masons rejected was the cornerstone.
Can we see the username and a date alongside the items as proof of ownership?

I believe the user has these and posted these pictures but I think its more concerning on where these came from no?
but def would confirm ownership and guess everyone can go from there just seems super strange especially since its all been graded!

We had a newbie years ago with graded coins...some of the best ive seen....he was a scammer...he never proved ownership as he was using other people's photos. So i become very skeptical seeing photos without proof of ownership.

Say no more not gonna question a vet!

Better safe than sorry...but at the end of the day escrow will protect you from harm. Goodluck to all in these purchases as they are stunning pieces to acquire.
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Can we see the username and a date alongside the items as proof of ownership?

I believe the user has these and posted these pictures but I think its more concerning on where these came from no?
but def would confirm ownership and guess everyone can go from there just seems super strange especially since its all been graded!

We had a newbie years ago with graded coins...some of the best ive seen....he was a scammer...he never proved ownership as he was using other people's photos. So i become very skeptical seeing photos without proof of ownership.

Say no more not gonna question a vet!
legendary
Activity: 2520
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The Stone the masons rejected was the cornerstone.
Can we see the username and a date alongside the items as proof of ownership?

I believe the user has these and posted these pictures but I think its more concerning on where these came from no?
but def would confirm ownership and guess everyone can go from there just seems super strange especially since its all been graded!

We had a newbie years ago with graded coins...some of the best ive seen....he was a scammer...he never proved ownership as he was using other people's photos. So i become very skeptical seeing photos without proof of ownership.

   And as far as where they were acquired? Anyone can make up any story they want really...doesnt make it true.
full member
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Can we see the username and a date alongside the items as proof of ownership?

I believe the user has these and posted these pictures but I think its more concerning on where these came from no?
but def would confirm ownership and guess everyone can go from there just seems super strange especially since its all been graded!
legendary
Activity: 2520
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The Stone the masons rejected was the cornerstone.
Can we see the username and a date alongside the items as proof of ownership?
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Looks like someone got robbed
**how does someone have graded coins and no nothing about them maybe someone died ?
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The fact that the 25 BTC coin's holo is not completely destroyed (looks to be only peeled slightly) and yet it HAS been swept, to me, points to some solvent being used to try to compromise the coin without detection. This was performed at Defcon several years ago and it took all of 10 minutes.
I am not trying to spread speculation, but please can someone answer how else this could happen? Whenever I've peeled a coin, it is completely destroyed. It looks nothing like the coin pictured. Compare to the other 2013 Cas Brass pictured - that one looks normal.

I thought the same thing at first as it does look a little like the holograms I've solvent removed, but I think the coin was already swept when OP bought it. (I did some snooping.)

Also, if you were going to solvent remove holograms, you'd practice on some 1 BTC coins first, not butcher a 25 BTC
I've never peeled a cas though so take my opinions with a grain of salt.
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The fact that the 25 BTC coin's holo is not completely destroyed (looks to be only peeled slightly) and yet it HAS been swept, to me, points to some solvent being used to try to compromise the coin without detection. This was performed at Defcon several years ago and it took all of 10 minutes.
I am not trying to spread speculation, but please can someone answer how else this could happen? Whenever I've peeled a coin, it is completely destroyed. It looks nothing like the coin pictured. Compare to the other 2013 Cas Brass pictured - that one looks normal.
copper member
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#GPGL
How does one just happen to have this stuff in their basement if you don't mind me asking?
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Can no one sense the sarcasm in the OP?

I think it's pretty obvious OP is fucking with us.
legendary
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Can we ask how you came into possession of such a collection?  The reason I ask is because these coins are very rare. Only a handful of people in the world own a collection like this, and they all know what it is worth.   

I agree.  Odd question being that the satoris are not that old and there are pieces in there from various years.  Is this one of your relatives collections?
legendary
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member
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Thats a peeled 25 btc.

It doesn't look like a peeled one >


Yeah, but with the scuffs and damage to the holo, I wouldn't risk it personally. 
legendary
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₿uy / $ell ..oeleo ;(
Thats a peeled 25 btc.

It doesn't look like a peeled one >


You guys were right > https://casascius.uberbills.com/?address=1GLngqmBjTk5eFysuhahbmXmGL2nP4wjGw

That's why I don't risk to buy physical coins, it's so easy to fool someone who has no experience.
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Thats a peeled 25 btc.
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In Memory of Zepher
Can we ask how you came into possession of such a collection?  The reason I ask is because these coins are very rare. Only a handful of people in the world own a collection like this, and they all know what it is worth.   
legendary
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₿uy / $ell ..oeleo ;(
Found this treasure in my basement.

How much is all this stuff worth?
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This is amazing collection, I hope it's not stollen. Worth quite a lot for sure. Good luck (you already have enough luck I think Smiley selling it.
Worth every penny,tho.

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legendary
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Those are some nice coins you found down there in your basement.   I am only offering estimates on the items I know well and trade regularly.  Below are the prices i believe would be realized if you auction the coins 1 by 1 starting at their loaded value.

- Cas Gilt Silver 1.0 MS69 = 1.5-1.7 btc

- Lealana 10 LTC MS69 = 15-20 LTC

- Cas Silver 0.1 BTC  = 0.25-0.35

- Cas 25 BTC  peeled coin = 0.2 BTC

- Bearer Bar - one in mint condition still in the wrapper auctioned for a cunt hair above 0.5 btc recently.  Yours does not appear to be in mint state so figure 0.25-0.4 BTC

- 2013 Cas Brass 1.0 = 1.14-1.17

- Satori Chips = 0.004 BTC each

- Lealana 1 LTC = 2 LTC each



legendary
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Nice basement ! I’d go and have a look in the attic too , you might find the ark of the covenant 😁
Seriously , some great stuff here . Are they for sale ?
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