Topic: How much longer will JollyGood take to reverse his feedback? (Read 1106 times)

This looks very interesting and deserves to be brought up and posted in the latest page rather than be at the bottom of page 2. Thank you for bringing this as an update to the conversation. I will end up tagging each of the following accounts with appropriate feedback and will be happy to remove or revise any and all tags if relevant new information comes to light:

~dbc23
~Zilon
~Alisha-k
~coco23
~Mistafreeze
~DomainMagnate
~Rococo23
~coco2392
~dricoco23

Time is always of the essence when it comes to signature campaigns therefore I am not surprised the OP (dbc23) has given up on posting using that account but as you pointed out as soon as the OP can enrol on to signature campaign that pays participants with negative tags, he most probably will start using that account again.

The puppeteer that is controlling dbc23 is clearly controlling several accounts and not all have been discovered therefore he will be busy focusing on trying to keep them clean while he earns signature campaign fees from them.

I suppose he will never create another thread asking for negative or neutral feedback to be removed from any of his farmed accounts again 

I noticed OP stopped posting after his account was tagged, it seems OP abandoned his account since it can’t be of any use to him campaign wise but the other accounts linked to the OP are very much active. One of them already has previous negative tags as being a promoter of 1xbit and I don’t think they care about their reputation, the other did not respond to this thread or try to defend himself. I’m sure OP will be waiting for a campaign that accepts negative tagged accounts like 1xbit to emerge so he use his account.

In the end I sent him the PM just to let him know the facts. It is true that Zilon strictly speaking did not break the rules of his signature campaign but I believe it was reasonable to bring the facts to the attention of his manager.


I don't think it is (a bit) off-topic.


I wanted to emphasize the "just" because actually getting paid to write works as an incentive for those of us who wear paid signatures, but there is a considerable difference with those who write just for the money, than those who consider the money an extra for doing an activity they like.

Regarding the quality I had not commented anything but I also think that his posts are quite generic, although in a campaign where half of the 20 required posts are required in the Gambling Section that style of writing is usual.

All the effort the OP exerted trying to drum up support via this thread (in order to have a neutral tag removed) was by all intent and purposes both pointless and counter-productive. It was pointless because he should never had felt the need to stress over a neutral tag and following on from that, it was counter-productive for him because various alt-accounts are now definitely connected whereas some are assumed to be connected.

I am also going to leave a red tag on top of the neutral but I wanted to see what more drama will be added here by the OP as he puts forward counterclaims in the hope of getting tags removed.

I think this might just be a wee bit off-topic, but I took a look at Zilon's recent posts and they're not only quite numerous but most of them are generic crap that I see a lot when I'm doing post history reviews.  Nobody can read minds, but I think it's pretty obvious when someone is posting just to get paid.  Lack of effort and thought put into posts really sticks out when you're reading closely.

And back on topic....hasn't this issue been put to rest already, even if it wasn't to OP's satisfaction?  I'm not sure what the big deal was, since JollyGood left a neutral, which I think is entirely appropriate.

If there's no rule about maximum posts per day, it's mean the user is free to create how many posts per day, this will depends on him to count it or not. Just like in my campaign, he don't set up maximum posts per day.

Let's not forget about legitimate negative feedback by DT member rule, but this would depends on each user to judge legitimate or not the feedback is. It's understandable for campaign manager to accept negative feedback user, but it mostly for someone who's popular or high quality poster.

I don't think Zilon has such reputation, but yet can still accepted, this is not the first time anyway, there are few users without any reputation and received few negative feedback can still allowed to participate in Duelbits campaign.

The repayment came from wallet address TLYCaS9cZErMpUuwjZQbkFvYqx6Zaq11hE which must be an exchange address as it currently has a balance of in excess of $656,000 (and over 3.7M TRX) - at a guess they are looking to sell the UID to an unsuspecting hack who won't know about the negative DT trust until after a sale.

I have seen some curious behavior from Zilon. This week he was several days without writing in the forum, and he has written a lot in the last couple of days to meet his post quota.

With two days left in his campaign week he had only written 6 posts. On the 19th he wrote 8 posts in one hour and 12 minutes, which comes out to a gap of 9 minutes between posts. Yesterday he wrote 6 in a similar period of time. That makes a total of 20 posts, just enough to get paid, although in the spreadsheet I see 21, I don't know if one has been deleted by the moderators.  

Thanks to this he was able to pay back the $50 loan to sashan.

Hhampuz has a rule in other campaigns not to count more than 5 posts per day that I have not seen in this one. In the Duelbits one for example:


I don't know whether to send him a PM for his consideration.

I think I have never applied a campaign using someone BTC address, I always be careful, but I can't make sure if I wouldn't make this mistake because shit can happen.

The thing is coco23 applied the campaign after dbc23, he can use this reason to defend himself and create a drama, so I choose to only look a solid proof. Ninjastic.space tool didn't record all the edited posts, dbc23 might post that BTC address on the third or fourth edit which could be earlier than coco23.

Nope, this was happen unintentionally by clicking dbc23's image. I don't find anything suspicious until I found an image related with Alisha-k on his imgbb account, that's make me continue to dig more

You can start with any of the threads that were started against me with my user profile name in the title and see which of the DT joined in the free for all that ensued.

As I've said time and time (and time and time) again - You're welcome to sift through all of my trust feed-backs - good, bad or indifferent and either support my findings, or show me where I am wrong (if at all) and I'll make corrections.

There's a couple of alts that DT distrust me which should shouldn't be allowed to occur but does.

You have an interesting observation on elevating the status of the feedback  

I am unfamiliar with the incident you refer to therefore I will try to search for it but were any of the DT trolls (as you refer to them) added on DT by an alleged alt-account? If you were trolled by a group over a neutral tag then that seems highly excessive but it is not an uncommon phenomena in the forum. Not that long as I was trolled by a group of 3-4 who were using any and every opportunity to troll me and even now occasionally it seems one or two of them from time to time have a small outburst but it does not bother me.

It would be interesting to find out the incident you refer to, is it possible to post a link to the neutral feedback you left?

The OP has gone quiet on this and several other claims made in this thread but surprisingly he has not locked the thread.

Not saying they are alts, however, there is a clear pattern going on here:

the only other UID's with "coco" in their names all have "23" in their profile name:


Then we have dbc23 which also has "23" in the name

Alisha-k was registered on the 23^rd...

This is a great find, @Jawhead999! Based on the evidence you have uncovered, along with our previous findings, it appears quite clear that Zilon, dbc23, and Alisha-k are indeed operated by the same user. Well done on connecting the dots!

Speaking of which, do you have any tricks for finding images in posts? I tried with ninjastic.space but it doesn't seem to be possible. I can find the links, but not the embeded images.

I think there are too many evidences in this thread not to wait any longer to negative tag the OP and Zilon.

In the case of the OP, having seen him give explanations I doubt he could say anything more convincing. In the case of Zilon maybe, but what are they going to say about the ibb account that is created with only one username and one email? It was created by the same person . It doesn't make sense otherwise.

There was a 15-20 minute window in which coco23 may have for whatever reason pasted dbc23's BTC address in their own application, which is why I didn't straight up tag him for sig campaign cheating. It still seems highly unlikely that it was a mistake. Have you ever applied for a sig campaign using somebody else's BTC address?


This is a very clever find. I would have never thought to look at that kind of thing. If anything dbc23 will just have to join 1xbit now  

Oh it looks like plot thickens, and new multi account connection is now unlocked
Whenever I see someone bitching so much about neutral feedback I know there is something fishy about that, but they usually dig their own hole with bringing attention of investigators
I don't think that coco23 and all his alt accounts should be in DT at all...

That could also mean that some accounts changed hands (maybe in 2020).

Nice to see that, maybe I wasn't in this forum or not following all the cases here, that's why I can't remember if you have revised your feedback.

Looks like coco23 isn't his alt because this user is active in German board, while Zilon and dbc23 are from Nigeria.

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Anyway I find something interesting here, these three accounts were using the same imgbb's account named MERIT LOUIS (Archived version)




Alisha-k is a 1xbit participant and already received numerous negative feedback, it's the time to say goodbye for Zilon and dbc23?

It's interesting what the @OP will say about this

I see a pattern here.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62156205

I don't know if these multi-account holders have a plausible deniability plan in advance if they are caught to avoid getting negative tags. The same thing happened in that case.

The explanations he gives are within reason, but they prove nothing. That Zilon and dbc23 write on different boards may obey a pre-established plan precisely to try to make it appear that there are different people behind the accounts.

This is just like a few years ago when various UID's created threads that I had left them *neutral* trust feedback and they ran with it encouraged by a minority of DT Trolls who rinse and repeat to bang their thin skinned drums and wiggle their bonny fingers.  It will pass and as we've seen here, the OP is just one of many alts that are quickly exposed by many.

Next week they will find someone else to Troll and their throw away farmed account will be yesterday's news.

Thank you for bringing this up. Zilon registered October 07, 2020 back then I was taking a break from the forum in which I did my last post in 2018, I wanted registering with a brand new account but was asked to use this since it has been in the forum since 2017 when Zilon joined a signature campaign he encouraged me to pick up my account if you watch I am even less consistent because of my job, I was sceptical about it when I eventually did in 2021 I tried building back from scratch. If we check before then Zilon grew with speed, Zilon was more interested in Technical discussion in which I encouraged him to do more research before posting. I know little or nothing about technical discussion and I am not interested because it is full of technical jargons.

If you wish check Zilon's interest on the forum and check mine. We have our favourite boards and we don't share anything in common not even post pattern or choice of words. If for any reason Zilon and dbc23 is tagged as one account let it be based on content because that is the most concrete evidence to me.  We only know ourselves and that is all..

Zilon should not pay for what he knows nothing about.

If someone does claim this as the case, then clearly the neutral tag should not be removed.

In fact, such a case would demand the neutral tag's elevation to a higher status of negative feedback, in my opinion.

And what about the Zilon account? You mentioned that you brought him to the forum, right? It is interesting that at that time, you (dbc23) were inactive on the forum for more than two years. Can you tell us more about that?

Speaking of cans of worms, here is another case where a member is asking for (or insisting on) having neutral feedback removed as though it somehow becomes compulsory for one to remove or revise it as per to the liking of the one receiving it.

Question (and thread title):
"How much longer will JollyGood take to reverse his feedback?"

Answer:
"I will not remove it" (if that is what the OP means by reverse)

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I have no idea why anybody would go to such lengths and such theatrics for the sake of trying to have a neutral tag removed unless it is connected in some way shape or form to earning from bounties, avatars or signature campaigns and on too many occasions related to account farming and to puppeteers that are controlling several accounts.

Even those proclaiming their reputation is under scrutiny because of a single neutral tag from me and if they insist they are not a low level poster (which over a period of time they might be able to prove with good quality posts), eventually somehow find themselves and their reputations connected to earning via the forum which is what it ultimately comes down to. Some go around chasing for a neutral tag to be removed and others try their best for a negative tag to be removed.

In this case, the farming will probably exceed the three names mentioned but we will wait to see what transpires in a short period ahead:

~dbc23
~coco23
~Zilon

I wish coco23 will say something about this and why he choose to post the same BTC address I can't be defending something I know nothing about. I haven't sent a pm to such user neither have we exchanged anything before now. coco23 needs to come up to say why he chose to use my BTC address instead of his. If it will be possible we post our different locations on a particular day and time simultaneously or any other means that can prove it was a mistake on coco23 part.

It would seem OP’s decision to create this thread has opened a can of worms, I’m sure he will be regretting his decision now. He could have sent a pm to Jollygood and avoid such open confrontation, I guess he thought if his case was supported by other members, JG would reconsider his feedback. I think you’re lucky no one has tagged you yet, even if it’s true that the other account is your brother or friend, most people wouldn’t believe you because that excuse has already been used up.

I have removed and revised feedback on numerous occasions. I am not as strict or as stubborn as some might make me out to be 

On several occasions I gave completely incorrect feedback and removed/revised it. On some occasions I revised the feedback after the member posted and contributed positively regularly over a period of time.

The issue that brought about the neutral tag for dbc23 was an error on his part but it was sufficient enough for me to understand what he was up to. If he did it another thread I did not frequent it could have gone unnoticed but he did it in one of my self-moderated threads therefore I spotted it.

Yes I have, I am quick to revise or remove tags when I realise I made a mistake, I am human after all therefore am prone to errors even when I try my best   

If he were to put effort in when posting the OP would not have had anything to worry about now some of his farming accounts have been connected he and the associated accounts will probably have problems enrolling now.

Honestly speaking, I could not care less about the score, it was simply the fact that an event already happened and the outcome was already know yet the OP still wrote nonsense which clearly showed he posted to increase his posts.

He posted in one of my self-moderated threads that was why I noticed his post.

Well bro I'm not sure I would call it "absurd." You literally posted the same BTC address in posts that appear to be about half an hour apart. Why would we bother checking out the contents of posts when there's direct blockchain links tying you to other accounts? Those are generally regarded as more firm of a connection.


If you notice, nobody has actually red tagged you yet, but you know, do what you gotta do.

No, it is not. What do you have to say about sharing addresses with the other accounts?

I have the right to express myself in which ever idiomatic and grammatical words I feel will express how I feel about a post. What is the essence of posting when I make the reader do extra research to comprehend my posts. I chose to lighten my choice of words to so I don't bug the reader with so much stress not everyone has that time to start debugging words.

Just like the word logarithmyically which was a way to say how many times Bitcoin went up in 2017, a comparison to how post quality dropped that year. Now comparing the quality of posts to previous years I saw that many posters decided to adopt google translators to make statements and the whole idea of getting unique knowledge died rather google boiler plate statement became rampant, more or less twisting contents from google and replicating them on the forum to earn merits. The sole reason I took a break at some point.

As for linking my account to coco23 is absurd, I mean we don't even post in the same way and manner same thing goes to Zilon who I will boldly say I brought into the forum. Instead of linking transactions and addresses we have used in the past check out the contents of both posters and draw your conclusions based on that...

I will leave the forum to make their final decision on this matter. I am tired of seeing users link accounts of users that are in no way related but do what is right and make sure you have enough evidence before mitting out your judgements.

My account is clean of all accusations. I can as well decide to transact with anybody on the forum any day any time and thereby moving funds across wallets

Yeah, way to many coincidences for them not to be related in some way.


Probably will tag them sooner or later, but lets see if any of them come back to try explain it away. Once again, probably will not work but stranger things have happened...just can't think of any at the moment.

And yet again, had they just ignored the 1 negative nobody would have cared. And since JG is quick to pull the trigger (nothing wrong with that) but it was still a minor thing a lot of campaign managers would have excused it for acceptance so long as everything else with the account was good.

-Dave

Three or four Signature campaigns have just opened up spaces, so dbc23 was probably angling to join one of them this week to either clear their debts, or just double dip payments from campaign managers.

How many coincidences today.

Now this is interesting:


Note the time Zilon posted their request for an extension...

49 minutes after the OP started this thread...

Later on I'll come back and take a good look at the thread and links to decide if I take an aggressive approach on this issue. But if I understand it correctly, we have pretty clear indications that the OP has not only bought the account, but has other accounts that have been red trusted previously, or have committed plagiarism, no?

6/28/2021 12:23:43 AM    woke up -     dbc23
6/30/2021 2:16:39 PM    password changed -   Zilon

Source bpip.org

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This is true - Zilon is in the Rollbit signature campaign which @Hhampuz is the campaign manager of.

https://loyce.club/trust/2023-05-13_Sat_05.07h/2862749.html


Sucking up to all the campaign managers perhaps??

Why is Jollygood being talked about as some kind of machine, bot?  I am still convinced that behind that account is a real person with some beliefs of his own.


OP, I believe you have already been told many times, a neutral tag is not that influential for your participation in the forum. That's why this drama that you started for the second time is a bit unclear to me.
Also, you obviously don't understand the use of the trust system, you left a negative tag on Timelord2067 as a form of revenge, because of his feedback on your trust page.

However, what presented nutildah and lovesmayfamilis, say that Jollygood's neutral feedback will be the least of your problems here.

Yeh - speaking of abusing the Trust system:



I'll leave it for @JollyGood to slap the first negative on your BOUGHT account.

Thanks, nutildah . I lost where and when I wrote about this user. But he knew for sure that something was wrong with him.
In addition, about the conversation that this account may also belong to the Zilon account. In addition to the previously found matches for the Bitcoin address, you can also see the total transactions with the BSC wallet.




https://ninjastic.space/addresses?address=0xf1e6c4972335Ad5e28187a3e6247cC18a085bB93


Therefore, to say that the dbc23 account is clean as water would be stupid, OP.

This is the situation when someone complains about having negative or neutral feedback, and then something much worse happens to them - someone finds proof that the account was bought or that it is part of an alt farm in which at least one account has been permanently banned. Now, instead of that irrelevant tag, the OP has much more to worry about, especially if someone digs up hard evidence and paints him in red.

Its tacky for Timelord to leave a link to his own question as the reference in your neutral feedback (in lieu of proof or even evidence), but it means even less than Jollygood's feedback. You leaving him a negative in response is not the right way to go about handling it.

I can see you're upset but the thing is you probably did buy this account, or acquire it in some other way, because the person who owned it before you had a completely different style of writing, and they were writing because they enjoyed posting, not because they were merely slogging through the requirements of their sig campaign.

So you're gonna tell us you posted this?


Cmon bro, that's not you.

What's worse is you appear to have a bunch of accounts on this forum, and one of them is even in DT2:



The address of coco23 shows up first because you only wrote "R" for reserve, meaning he didn't copy the address from you. And that account only used it once whereas yours used it a bunch of times.

I'm not tagging you but I am excluding you and coco23.

A negative tag either.

However, it should be noted that some neutral tags may affect the ability to earn through signature campaigns. For example:


In this case and drawing a parallel, JollyGood's neutral feeback could affect the OP's ability to earn through signature campaigns.

I can explain or suggest Timelord2067's suspicion that your account may have been bought.

Follow carefully:

You have returned to the forum after three years of absence. Your first post after waking up (I haven't looked at the archives) shows the date July 10, 2021, 6:30:15 PM



On the same day, you send 10 merits, 5 merits per post, to the account that had a connection with the account seller. Your time to read two posts, and decide to give 10 merits, did not take a minute. Do you think that you can believe in the randomness of these estimates?


https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?from=dbc23&to=Mistafreeze

The account itself to which the merits were sent has already been banned.

I also think that you are not the real owner of this account, but I will not leave any tags, but I can say that I do not believe you either.

I wouldn't count on him completely removing neutral anytime soon, if ever. Instead, be happy that he even changed it from negative to neutral.


Just becasue JollyGood left you that feedback doesn't automatically mean the other will perceive you as a shitposters. There are other members who received similar feedback from him and are now in some of the best paid signature campaigns which proves that if you are a good poster, that feedback won't prevent you getting into those (which is a reason why you want it removed I suspect).

You have chosen to abuse the trust system what do you mean by bought account. What is your proof. You drop a feedback without a valid proof. I chose to have a break and came back in 2021 July how does that mean I bought the account

So you bought the account in July 2021 - yes?

That is the best I have seen JG do. And before he reverses from red to neutral, there are compelling reasons and opinions of many.


Your reputation is not dented and this shouldn't call for being stigmatised. If a neutral tag is stigmatising you, what will ban do to you.

I will advise you to find solution for yourself, someone had already suggested same. The trust system is decentralized. If you don't want to see the feedback, you can consider to distrust him and then give a counter feedback that looks like this Unble to forgive me after some years of pleading

Then, you have to upgrade your posting quality and if possible avoid the gambling boards and a campaign manager can hire you.

JollyGood has removed a red tag or 2 during his tenure here.

Just because the OP won't see the feedback anymore, doesn't mean it just disappears. The rest of the forum will still see the neutral. You are correct in saying the neutral doesn't mean much.


@OP you might consider just letting it go and locking this thread. The feedback is neutral and means very little. At worst it will make a manager look more deeply at your profile when you apply for a sig campaign. If you are putting effort into your posts, you have nothing to worry about.

When a matches is over and the result has been known to everyone, you then make your own prediction. That kind of wrong prediction should not be taken lightly at all. It is even no more a prediction. It is just a neutral tag about what you did in the past.

JollyGood will decide what he is going to do, but if he leaves the tag neutral, it is not wrong. But you might be lucky because he may remove it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't see @JollyGood ever remove his feedback, it will always stand, the difference is the color he use.

As I always been mentioned by most of users, neutral tag is fine since it doesn't ruin your reputation.

I don't expect he will remove his feedback, but that's just my guess.

You should consider to create your custom trust list, the only way for you to against his feedback is distrust him.

I have been patient enough waiting for JollyGood to review the feedback on my profile but it seems the judgement is final.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5275303

This is an event that happened in February 2022, I created this thread October 2022 and he reversed his feedback from negative to neutral. How long will it take to remove the feedback completely. I can't be judged based on a mistake done a year ago, I need my reputation restored and the stigma of parading my profile as a shit poster discarded.