Topic: How Quality Can A Newbie's Post Be? (Read 451 times)

Apt! This is one of the latent facts surrounding the forum. Though there is a natural inclination to familiarity, but it becomes odd in its excessiveness. There are just few exceptions. A larger number of the exceptions do so in order to complete tasks, while the smaller percentage do so to enable the low rank members grow and develop the spirit of inclusiveness.

I am happy to see that you are taking trading seriously and doing every bit to learn more. Ask questions here and if you’ll have any confusion, it will be solved by the people who’ll reply. So go ahead and all the best.

What you said is so good, let me talk about my feelings. At the beginning, I really didn’t know what merits are. Anyway, when I see others, I also want to earn it. I read it here these days. Many novices have become legendary, and finally found that the truth is very simple. At the beginning, others helped you learn and improve, and finally you refined your own point of view to lead others to learn and improve, and figure out what you want is just merit, or Growth, here you need to face yourself honestly. Reading posts and replying to posts and posting is a process of output and input. This process is also a process of real growth. Growth and achievements will grow at the same time. This community is really pure learning. Improve your own environment. In the end, what succeeds here must be in line with the concept of the community, and must be in line with the community.

Avoid posting multiple times in a row instead you quote three of the posts you wanted to answer or discuss something. For example, I will be quoting everything you quoted one by one. As you can see, each of the quote is in the posts you made but I quoted each one of the posts. That is how you should quote a posts to avoid spamming or posting in a row. You can make the quote shorter by using <..... > or quoting only the certain sentences you wanted to discuss.

THIS IS WHEN IT IS NOT YET POSTED.
and this is what it looks like when it is posted.

 Thank you Sir for helping me to reach out the difference between the quality and usefulness in making a post or a thread. Actually I'm a student I'm really interested in a forum like in my school ,the day I saw this site I was shocked and amaze cause beside I learned through their thread maybe I can help also to the others. Once again sir thank you for the great information.

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   Since I'm still learning posting topic that have a quality or usefullness but my guts is to share ideas ,help other's and the most thing is to socialize people in online cause I interested the value of knowing and empower of unity.

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   Yes , that's why I read all the rules and regulations to prevent any occur of errors and not just reading but I also put some action on obeying the rules such as a sounds of respect and value the admin and all moderator. Once again thank you for your great advice for all newbie.

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First of all, you need to understand that each of us has a different definition of quality and usefulness.
Of course, new members do not have enough knowledge and experience to be able to solve the problems of legendary members and no one expects that.
However, new members can always freely give their opinion on the forum on various topics related to the forum itself, or politics, economics, bitcoin news, sports etc.
No one is an expert in everything, but everyone knows something and can share it with others.
Over time, new members will gain enough knowledge and experience to engage in discussions about bitcoin and other topics.
In fact, attitude is much more important than knowledge and experience.
If I see that a newbie member is really trying, not spamming and trying to be constructive on this forum, I will always give him a merit, even for posts that are a little less quality, and I believe other members think the same.

Thanks for telling on how to post with a quality.  I read also the other quotes it's really meaningful in terms to grow up in the forum and its Good to post with informative that can help to the other.

quality comes in all shapes and sizes. It could be a translation to your local board, a study you interpreted, a question you asked to educate yourself, reporting scams or some help to new people on the forum. All of that is considered quality posting. engage in thoughtful discussions and always ask yourself, will this post benefit the crypto ecosystem in any way.

Indeed. IMO the best "strategy" is to post whenever and whatever you want, to be yourself and not try to always please others in order to get some merits. Sooner or later, the merits will come, while your journey in here will remain authentic. Don't be a robot!

You don't get merit for quality posts, you get merit for posts that other people like or respect. Quality posts are not the only kind of posts that falls within this category, it could also be a funny post or a simple opinion post. However, I would advice you from making posts for baiting merits, people can easily see through it.

Your right because it's obvious it's does no matter how ambiguous is the composition or paragraph, what is necessary is how meaningful is the work and how the words are arranged via sentence, making a quality post is not only based on creations of topic alone, but ability to respond very reasonably to a comment, but in this community many people values a long articles, thinking that such kind or method of post is worthy to be reward with a Merit.
Thanks for putting this insights to people who always values long post when creating a topic.

In the years I have been reading and posting in this forum I have witnessed arguments between newbies and legendaries where the formers' messages had sense while the latter's not.

It is logical that people who post here on a daily basis know each other, so when they read a thread they focus on the Heroes and Legendaries they know well, but in fact it does not always do justice to the good content some newbies are able to share but goes unnoticed. At least they show some common sense that some well known veterans here don't. Anyway, thanks god, this is not the general rule.

Have yet to see a subforum dedicated for that. Would be fun to discuss about raytracing and 600 FPS on RGB monitors :p

Sometime the best post comes from the natural perspective or idea of someone. Yes researched can help om improving post or circulatr some new ideas or topic. But there some poster here that impart their own idea and from there we can also see that the post has certain degree of quality. Sometime humorous post is also good and bombarded by merits.

There are different ways on how merit sender appreciate such post. Sometime thr uniqueness of one answer can also deemed it deserving for such a merit.

The most important thing before you will start posting here in the forum is to know the rules or guidelines in the forum and newbies should aware of those rules to avoid dealing with a mistake that is a possible bannable offense and there's no second chance like copy-pasting or plagiarism.

This forum has free of speech, it is a community in which you can express your opinion and the thought, you can agree or disagree in any statement that you encounter based on your perceptions and the reason why you disagree or agree, or adding a new idea that much better as long as you always didn't get an off-topic answer.

Don't become someone else instead just be yourself and post in a discussions that you know of. If you didn't know that topic then don't reply.

There are some threads made by newbies asking questions and a forum user already gave an answer but there are still other forum users who still answer the same questions. This happens when the first answer is not complete or some are additional to the previous answer.

Of course, even someone didn't know anything, at least he/she can obey the rules in this forum. It is also a positive contribution. Other things that everyone can do are reporting spam posts, merit abuse, plagiarism, or bounty cheaters. Someone doesn't need to be a crypto expert to do those things. Just report in a proper way once finding them out.

Everyone has something they can contribute to the forums even if you aren't a Crypto expert. For newbs, it's best to focus on areas of the forum that you already have interests and knowledge about whether off topic, politics, society, gaming, etc.

The first step in getting merits is evolving your post trend into quality posts. Now that you are done with this step, the next step would likely be creating topics/replies that gets the attention of users. Remember, merit is subjective but once you are consistent with your quality posts, then you would be able to receive merits in the near future.

As what some people have mentioned, getting merits is not about having quality posts. Rather, it is about creating topics that engage forum members to your thread. With such an interesting topic, most members would likely merit your thread.

Your right because in the community no questions is meant for a particular user or rank to be answered, when you have a solution to any answer you have to portray your own points of view because it might be the solution of the problem, newbies mindset always think that any question dropped by Senior members, Hero members and Legendary members are specifically meant for a users of the same hierarchy to be answer, it's absolutely wrong from my perspective because one of the major reasons this community come in existence is because of interaction, discussion from different user's.

There will be always a way to rank up.
Actually, not all newbies are shitposters. Some of them are good, having the willingness to learn at first about this forum, trying not to spam posts, and also receiving what other members here suggested or advised. This is a very good example for newbies here.
I really appreciated you.
Everyone here was a newbie and we are all trying to be better and better, in discussing, giving advice, giving opinions, informing something, and many other actions in this forum.

However, sadly, not all newbies concern with these simple things.
And many of them only ost a thread or replies by saying something very common, one-liner, and also not willing to learn at first.

It is not really easy to define "quality". But at least fulfill the standard or follow the rules in this forum, also make a valuable post. It means your post must be constructive enough, on topic, and add value to the discussion. Don't create nonsense comments or spammy comments, just avoid commenting if you don't really understand the topic. I still remember once I am a newbie, I don't comment on any topic, just consider commenting on the topic that I believe I have enough knowledge about it.

No one can attain optimum knowledge in a thing or about a fact or phenomenon in the world. We are all in the constant sequence of disputing and agreeing. As such, knowledge is updated everyday with each new development in a niche. So, there is no way a legendary might not learn a thing or two from your minor contributions which I disagree to be minor so long as it solves a problem. The world's most concern is solving problems.  Though, the problems that exists are of different categories and your appreciated as such when you solve any. In essence,  what I'm trying to say is that, you  don't get discouraged in trying to pass down your thoughts or feelings about a thing. It could be what raises research questions for the next advancement in that field.
Again, quality posting can be as quality as how you make of it and how its being appreciated by the next user. Its just how it is.

You always have to research to create a good quality post. Discover something new that is not already in the forum. You present your research here. It seems to be useful to the members of the forum. Get it. So keep researching as much as you can. Qualification will come one day.So go ahead as much as you can. There are thousands of legends in the forum to help.

If someone is here for his needs, for solving problems, for hanging out with the same minded people, I think they don't even need to think about the quality. Their post will be high quality because they are here for the purpose of learning, sharing views but if someone is here solely earning purpose, they have to think over and over to make quality post.

This is a post that is more appreciated in this post, I think other people know how to answer this discussion posted by a low account for me, it doesn't matter if it's informative and even tends to be quality about discussions in your post history, so don't be surprised if a newbie account Those who are serious about sharing informative posts will be more appreciated and even merited as one of the things given to them.
Other large, high-ranking accounts will appreciate this more than just wanting to maximize posts while being spam, and you don't need to doubt it all starts with asking those who know better, and discussions are healthier.

I noticed a lot of newbies overthink what quality post is. as long as it is constructive, helpful, informative, and contributes to the discussion members will consider it as a quality post. just share the information that you can share with anyone that asks it or need it. and if you yourself are needing of certain information don't be afraid to ask. members will be here to answer you.

You just registered yourself 32 days ago on this reputed discussion forum and see now you have 24 merits with you just because you promoted a healthy discussion like alternate to merit system and making efforts to conduct btc survey through qualitative questionnaire and asking some relevant and good questions which is just required to rank up and get merits.There are lot of members on the forum who just do spam posting in order to fulfill signature campaign requirements and have zero or say 2-3 merits only from long time which is the wrong part.You just share technical and non technical information provided it is useful and relevant and just be good and effective tool of this forum just that.This is the way you provides quality here and in return get ranked up so as you.

My definition of quality differs from yours. And you don't have to teach legendary members stuff, you first have to teach yourself. Ask questions, answer others when you have the necessary knowledge to do so and you'll be on the right path. As mk4 said above, it's not necessary to educate others. When an interest is seen in your own attempt to educate yourself, some might reward you.

Just be yourself. Participate in threads and you'll be fine. If you care aboht earning lots of merits, you might find yourself stuck in an endless loop of no rewards.

Bookmark those notable threads you see as well.
There are number of members asking something that was already asked and solved before.
Before you ask or suggest a certain thing, use the search function here in the forum or just use Google with the tag of "site:bitcointalk.org".

Technical knowledge about Bitcoin is part of this forum, but that doesn't mean you are obliged to learn it.
Just like what bitmover said, you don't need to be tech-savvy about Bitcoin to use this forum.

32 days after my first post I was personally meritless, although since I boarded the boat just before the Merit System was introduced, 31 days effectively under the Merit System I received my first Merit.
 
It wasn’t for a long topic on something I’d looked-up on the internet, not a ground-breaking idea, nor for helping anyone out, nor anything technical, but rather for an exaggerated exemplification of the potential effects of volatility on bitcoin prices at a retail store. Simple debate and opinion (with a spice of wit and humour).

Quality is completely subjective and relative, both to the reader and the moment in time one reads it, alongside many other factors such as the degree of freshness (as opposed to reiteration), and the interest that it arouses to the reader.
If fact, rather than "quality", I’m more aligned with the idea that what is merited, in general terms, is "interest". Quality seems like a rather demanding term. One can create a, let’s say, quality topic on something for the nth time, but it may lack interest to the reader (or the reader who has been around long enough) due to the topic having been dealt with multiple times.

A question, an opinion, a witty comment, a versed position, some aid pointers, etc. All these may be of some interest to the reader, and that is what is being sought. If it is well expressed, in a comprehensible grammar, all the more it will have in favour. It does not require the "quality" label, but rather more the "interest" label. Out of those, as a side-effect, some will get merited, but others will not. It is not the objective to merit every single interesting post, but a fair share. That, in the long run, providing one makes a habit of making interesting posts, should result (again, as a side-effect) on the account ranking-up.

Of course you can, even if the posts you make and the information you want to post is already known by members who have been on the forum for a longer period than you, it is still a big plus that a newcomer is doing their own research and privy to information (in their "milk teeth" stage on the forum) that quite a lot of legendary members didn't know when they were newbies, thus it makes it a HQ post and a product of research which prolly will be appreciated by others.

Sometimes newbies can have a fresh perspective on a problem. Therefore, do not hesitate to answer the questions of the legendary participants, you should not butcher people. Any competent answer or topic created by a beginner will definitely be appreciated. The only thing is not to expect merit for your posts, which will flow like a river.
Step away from the idea of getting merit. Do not try to squeeze out of yourself what is not in you. Just be yourself. Sincere interest is always visible.

People think that creating "quality posts" always means that you need to be teaching or educating people through posts that consists of 3 paragraphs or more; which is definitely NOT the case.

Creating "quality posts" could also mean asking great non-generic questions and simply sparking great conversations.

If you can not answer questions, don't post.
If the question is already answered, don't post and repeat answer.

You don't have to post like that.

When you are here for learning, and dedicate your time to learn here and beyond the forum, your knowledge will grow. Start to reply to questions of other newbies and help them. In the progress, you will learn from senior members and increase your knowledge. Then, you will be able to help other senior members too.

There are very lengedary and respected forum members here who have very little technical knowledge about bitcoin.
This bitcointalk, not github.  You don't need to understand the technical aspects of bitcoin to use this forum.

There are many different boards here, local,  economics, marketplace, etc.

For example , you may be a business owner and want to know about bitcpin payment processors.  Or you are a trader who wants to understand what makes bitclkn valuable. Or you may just be a designer selling your work at services board.

Everyone is welcome as a member here . Everyone but spammers who just repeat useless stuff.

It is good that you have known you were wrong about having the opinion that this forum do favor the favored. Like me I asked questions when I started on this forum, I was not even expecting merit because I was only thinking it is just a question, but the question I asked was merited, if a newbie posts can be merited because of the question asked, that also prove it wrong that this forum is not only for the already ranked members. There are still many newbie accounts that become ranked up, I do check some of this accounts that ranked up that were newbies in 2020. Just do more of your researches especially about bitcoin, learn more and make quality post on this forum, you will increase in rank.

I signed up in this educative forum on 28th May, 2021(32days ago) I made my first post, on the course of replies to the post, I was advised by established members to always make quality posts if I wish to grow in the forum. Post that will solve problems or very informative posts, then I should adhere to the forum rules and regulations. I then asked myself "what does it take to make quality posts?". I understood that you must posses quality in order to offer quality. You cannot offer what you don't have.

Another question arose within me. "How can you be quality in a field you have little/no knowledge about, compared to others in the forum who are grounded"
Then questions like, how can a newbie make a post that solves a problem of a legend. This appeared to be impossible. What kind of information about cryptocurrency will a newbie of 2021 break that has not been heard decades ago. I was fast to conclude within me that the system was designed to favour the favoured. I became a bit discouraged. I decided to put up some posts, behold! same topic I raised has been discussed and concluded in the past. This further justified my fears.

However, in as much as some persons were not agreeing to my posts, some others were meriting same posts. This very act restored my hope, then @Quickseller merits came as a source of confidence to me, when I almost gave up. After receiving a few merits, I understood that same yardstick is not used to measure the quality of a newbies post and an established members post. Low ranking members are always advantaged. Especially when they sincerely show inclination to grow, members are always ready to support.

So, my fellow low ranking members, let's keep researching and making good posts, even if they are not good enough, your archangels will stumble on them and award you some merits. Not only merits, you will be very knowledgeable in cryptocurrency through this forum. Thank you all!