How to achieve wallet privacy - without Tornado Cash

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Quote from: Aztecanaxa on October 23, 2022, 12:31:31 PM

I want to have my funds on another than my current address for privacy reasons.

I could transfer my cryptos to Binance and use "Binance Pay" (their internal C2C service) to send them to a second Binance account.
But I'm not sure, if the senders address would be visible on Etherscan or not.

Does anybody know it?

Or do you know another way to transfer funds to a fresh wallet address without being traceable or linked to the old wallet address?
I don't want to use Tornado cash or something that could lead to blacklisted wallet address...

I still not understand what do you want to know actually. But i guess you want a wallet where you can transfer your crypto like internal transaction and here no one can track your transaction.
you are using crypto which is backed by blockchain so no one can hide there transaction in any way. you can just use binance or other exchange like this where they have pay facilities. there you can transfer any token or coins by pay id without any fees and blockchain transactions.

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Quote from: Aztecanaxa on October 25, 2022, 12:08:19 PM

I've had bad experience with CEX's that held my funds and requested too many documents about the source of funds...
The thing is, I don't want to use a service, that might lead to a blacklisted wallet in future.

I've seen ppl mention Bisq here a lot. But I can imagine that there are a lot of blacklisted wallets trying to wash their coins, so not sure if that's a good idea...
Maybe I'm wrong, because I don't know Bisq and never been using it...

If your source of funds is genuine I don't see why you should be worried and not want to provide the right documents. I doubt your funds is as big as those institutions who have large sum in exchange and can move them anytime because of transparency.
I don't think you have too many options than to either what is suggested above, use one of the mixers suggested above or use privacy coins.

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Quote from: Aztecanaxa on October 25, 2022, 12:08:19 PM

I've had bad experience with CEX's that held my funds and requested too many documents about the source of funds...
The thing is, I don't want to use a service, that might lead to a blacklisted wallet in future.

I've seen ppl mention Bisq here a lot. But I can imagine that there are a lot of blacklisted wallets trying to wash their coins, so not sure if that's a good idea...
Maybe I'm wrong, because I don't know Bisq and never been using it...

Wut? if you're worried for use a privacy oriented exchange because of money laundering, you must not ask a way to achieve 100% complete privacy then because you can't expect every users are using Bisq for good purpose. As long as you're use it for good purpose, what are you worried for?

You have to choice, either use centralized exchanges who ask your documents which make you uncomfortable or use decentralized exchanges who doesn't ask your documents, but you could receive dirty coins.

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I've had bad experience with CEX's that held my funds and requested too many documents about the source of funds...
The thing is, I don't want to use a service, that might lead to a blacklisted wallet in future.

I've seen ppl mention Bisq here a lot. But I can imagine that there are a lot of blacklisted wallets trying to wash their coins, so not sure if that's a good idea...
Maybe I'm wrong, because I don't know Bisq and never been using it...

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Quote from: dansus021 on October 24, 2022, 09:28:55 PM

well its kinda hard if you have bitcoin just send them into mixing app like chipmixer or wasabiwallet

Chipmixer or wasabiwallet is similar like Tonardo Cash, a centralized mixing service. Although both of them still survive and hasn't been shutdown by U.S., but that's the part where @OP is doesn't want to face in the future. Also centralized mixing service will leave a trace of "big amount circulation" which make blockchain analysis is easier to trace his wallet address. That's why I recommend Monero since it doesn't leave any trace if you use Bisq.

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well its kinda hard if you have bitcoin just send them into mixing app like chipmixer or wasabiwallet

or buy privacy coin like monero and then exchange it again to original coin in peer 2 peer exchange or OTC exchange

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Quote from: Aztecanaxa on October 23, 2022, 12:31:31 PM

But I'm not sure, if the senders address would be visible on Etherscan or not.

The Blockchain link may seem to be broken but there will still be a link of internal transfers between your Binance accounts. So that is no privacy at all
You could alternatively use p2p exchanges that don't need any single KYC document. Bisq is one of them
Many more exchanges listed in this site - https://kycnot.me

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Since you are transferring to the binance and sender will be visible in etherscan but since you have intention to move your money to the a fresh wallet that can't be traced and then you can try to use binance and then convert it into the monero and withdraw your money without anyone who able to trace your money. You can also use the fresh wallet. The questions what tokens you will be used to store your money in your fresh wallet?

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Since you're against of using centralized mixing service, you can try to use Bisq and then convert your Bitcoin to Monero. Monero is a privacy coins, your transactions will be private and there's no way to trace your transactions. Even though there's few centralized exchanges already delisted this coins, but Bisq aka decentralized exchanges wouldn't delist this coin.

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First you must use a non custodial wallet for receiving, storing and sending your coins.
Second you must use Tor connection when you broadcast your transactions.
Third you should never reuse your address for different transactions. Use changed addresses.
Lastly don't share your public address publicly if you don't have to do it.

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Quote from: Aztecanaxa on October 23, 2022, 12:31:31 PM

Does anybody know it?

For me i will say this is just very simple. Tornado cash is trading in about 5 different exchange if am not mistaken, and Binance has the highest trading volume, since you want to make your wallet anonymous without anyone know who sent and where the token is coming from.
All you have to do is create a separate wallet which you have not use before, since your coin is a private wallet, move the Torn token to Binance and trade it to USDT or any stable coin which is you prefer. you can then create an account with MEXC after email verification you can move your fund from Binance to MEXC using the Tron blockchain since its cheaper. you can then re-purchase your Tornado using your USDT you sent from Binance, then you can apply for withdrawal into your private wallet. which the record on the blockchain will only show a transaction from MEXC into your new wallet, their will be no other trace to the old wallet where the fund is coming from.
I choose MEXC because you can withdraw little amounts without undergoing through the KYC process.

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Quote from: Aztecanaxa on October 23, 2022, 12:31:31 PM

I want to have my funds on another than my current address for privacy reasons.

I could transfer my cryptos to Binance and use "Binance Pay" (their internal C2C service) to send them to a second Binance account.
But I'm not sure, if the senders address would be visible on Etherscan or not.

Does anybody know it?

Or do you know another way to transfer funds to a fresh wallet address without being traceable or linked to the old wallet address?
I don't want to use Tornado cash or something that could lead to blacklisted wallet address...

Exchanges by their nature are not private at all. Their reason for being is also their greatest flaw. They can only maintain privacy until they draw too much attention for what ever flavor of reason. Any gov can just threaten the exchange with jail/violence/heavy tax and they will just roll and pass along the info you thought was private right to the people that prob dont have your best interest at heart.

Its harder to threaten in first world countries but still happens usually by law-fare and regulations so technically legal but ethically/morally not so much.

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Quote from: Aztecanaxa on October 23, 2022, 12:31:31 PM

I want to have my funds on another than my current address for privacy reasons.

I could transfer my cryptos to Binance and use "Binance Pay" (their internal C2C service) to send them to a second Binance account.
But I'm not sure, if the senders address would be visible on Etherscan or not.

I haven't used this feature of theirs so, let's wait for someone to confirm it if it doesn't show the senders address. But usually, with internal transfers, since the transaction is happening off chain and Binance pay doesn't requires its users for fees since it's free. I don't think that it will make your address appear from someone since the transaction is internal. Because it will just use an internal transaction number that won't require its appearance on the actual network of the coin that you'll send to the receiver.

Quote from: Aztecanaxa on October 23, 2022, 12:31:31 PM

Or do you know another way to transfer funds to a fresh wallet address without being traceable or linked to the old wallet address?
I don't want to use Tornado cash or something that could lead to blacklisted wallet address...

Privacy coins I guess are the best choice.

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I want to have my funds on another than my current address for privacy reasons.

I could transfer my cryptos to Binance and use "Binance Pay" (their internal C2C service) to send them to a second Binance account.
But I'm not sure, if the senders address would be visible on Etherscan or not.

Does anybody know it?

Or do you know another way to transfer funds to a fresh wallet address without being traceable or linked to the old wallet address?
I don't want to use Tornado cash or something that could lead to blacklisted wallet address...

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