How to best set up land property rights post-21st century government?

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Quote from: brettwood239892 on September 01, 2021, 08:36:45 PM

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How does everyone think about land property rights in the future? Is it just going to be projection of force to defend land?

I'm toying with idea of decentralized property right system but curious to hear others' thoughts.

You are talking about the land, soon we are going to pay for our breath as well and already there are some companies started producing it and marketing as pure oxygen where the air pollution is high at the moment.

About OP, as long as we are living under the government we can't attain the decentralized rights either we have to obey or oppose.

Yes but how much longer are we going to be living under the current type of government system? As a thought exercise, how will land property rights be enforced post hyperbitcoinization / US gov collapse?

Maybe until the humans exist here because without such system of rules and governments it is not possible to lead a peaceful life so that we have to accept and adapt.

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Quote from: brettwood239892 on September 01, 2021, 08:36:45 PM

Yes but how much longer are we going to be living under the current type of government system? As a thought exercise, how will land property rights be enforced post hyperbitcoinization / US gov collapse?

Take your pick from any of the hundreds if not thousands of sci-fi/fantasy stories written about things along those lines. Hell I have a collection of stories from the 1920's that do a fair job of it. Wanna go pretty far out there, the movie Metropolis is a good place to start. Looking at the societal portions of it, the book Stranger in a Strange Land is another.

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Quote from: semobo on August 25, 2021, 09:26:52 AM

Quote from: brettwood239892 on August 19, 2021, 10:02:54 AM

How does everyone think about land property rights in the future? Is it just going to be projection of force to defend land?

I'm toying with idea of decentralized property right system but curious to hear others' thoughts.

You are talking about the land, soon we are going to pay for our breath as well and already there are some companies started producing it and marketing as pure oxygen where the air pollution is high at the moment.

About OP, as long as we are living under the government we can't attain the decentralized rights either we have to obey or oppose.

Yes but how much longer are we going to be living under the current type of government system? As a thought exercise, how will land property rights be enforced post hyperbitcoinization / US gov collapse?

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Quote from: Xinarae* on August 26, 2021, 12:07:23 AM

There is a lot of opposition among the people regarding land property no one will be able to enjoy if they are registered. The Government may if it so desires or deems it necessary to attach any sub registrar's office under the registrar to any registrar's office and to exercise all the powers and responsibilities of the registrar in addition to its own powers and duties. Can delegate the power to do giving such power shall not give any sub registrar the right to hear any application brought against any of his own orders.

What in the hell does that mishmash of a word salad even mean? Huh

Hopefully it started out as a coherent statement in a different language and got very badly munged by a translator....

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There is a lot of opposition among the people regarding land property no one will be able to enjoy if they are registered. The Government may if it so desires or deems it necessary to attach any sub registrar's office under the registrar to any registrar's office and to exercise all the powers and responsibilities of the registrar in addition to its own powers and duties. Can delegate the power to do giving such power shall not give any sub registrar the right to hear any application brought against any of his own orders.

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In the US, find land that was originally patented. This has to do with the Federal Government assigning the land to somebody so that it is his own, private property. It's not real estate any longer.

Then, bring the patent up to date in your own name using an abstract, like the title insurance companies do, but without a title insurance company listed on the abstract.

This makes the land yours for real, so that the mortgage doesn't have any effect if you stop paying. Of course, you will have to fight it in court if you go this direction.

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Quote from: brettwood239892 on August 19, 2021, 10:02:54 AM

How does everyone think about land property rights in the future? Is it just going to be projection of force to defend land?

I'm toying with idea of decentralized property right system but curious to hear others' thoughts.

You are talking about the land, soon we are going to pay for our breath as well and already there are some companies started producing it and marketing as pure oxygen where the air pollution is high at the moment.

About OP, as long as we are living under the government we can't attain the decentralized rights either we have to obey or oppose.

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In simple terms without tedious walls of text. Any private property that requires it to be registered is no longer private property at the point of registration in the sense it is wholly or independently no subject to any third party/parties. At the point of registration it becomes subject to the terms and conditions or laws the of process or system it is registered to and certain or all rights to such private property cease when those terms and conditions are breached.

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Quote from: NotFuzzyWarm on August 24, 2021, 03:50:46 PM

Quote from: brettwood239892 on August 24, 2021, 03:25:04 PM

But what happens after Caesar's govt collapses?

Then all bets on the idea of enforceable property rights are off. For that matter - any sort of rights. As in the past it simply becomes a matter of who is better armed and is the better shot. Ya know, "Might makes Right".

Agreed but what if the tyrants seize victory at the jaws of anarchical realignment? If that is the case then, we'll have no property either way as the elites will own it all while we live in coffin tube apartments under their absolute surveillance and control. The question is are you willing to give up what you have now if we continue down this path? I'd rather have the anarchy than be under some other asshole that wants to control the collective. Let there be new warlords that control fewer pieces of territory rather than a set of overloads that look down upon us all while we beg for scraps.

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Quote from: brettwood239892 on August 24, 2021, 03:25:04 PM

But what happens after Caesar's govt collapses?

Then all bets on the idea of enforceable property rights are off. For that matter - any sort of rights. As in the past it simply becomes a matter of who is better armed and is the better shot. Ya know, "Might makes Right".

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But what happens after Caesar's govt collapses?

NotFuzzyWarm

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That IS how the law works in the US. No scorn involved just a bit of bewilderment leading to theorizing as to why a person could come up with the question you asked. The result of non-payment of taxes is pretty straightforward no matter where you live.

After usually 2-4 years of non payment of property taxes and many attempts by the government(s) to work with you in resolving the situation, the property is seized by local or state government and put up for auction. Starting price is amount of the taxes due. Once sold, if you are still there you will be evicted. If you forcibly resist eviction the police will respond in kind and either way - you lose.

Is not slavery, it is just paying onto Caeser what is due and the price of living here. If one does not like it - well, no one likes it - make that, is not willing to pay, then find some country that has different laws and move there.

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You won't have the right to own ANY private property if the globalists have their way:

Welcome To 2030: I Own Nothing, Have No Privacy And Life Has Never Been Better
https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/2016/11/10/shopping-i-cant-really-remember-what-that-is-or-how-differently-well-live-in-2030/?sh=6eb570551735

Predictive programming and gaslighting like this article:

Why Haven't We Cured the Common Cold Yet?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-havent-we-cured-the-common-cold-yet/

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Quote from: brettwood239892 on August 19, 2021, 10:02:54 AM

How does everyone think about land property rights in the future? Is it just going to be projection of force to defend land?

I'm toying with idea of decentralized property right system but curious to hear others' thoughts.

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you toy with it in the digital world, secured by decentralization, blockchain and cryptography.

guns, army and money rule the real property world.

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Quote from: NotFuzzyWarm on August 22, 2021, 08:21:30 PM

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How can they force you to pay property tax? I mean, even if it is a good idea to pay for a street out front, or a sidewalk, how can they force you to pay? It's your property, isn't it?

You obviously do not live on this planet or are a sheltered kid still living with their parent(s).....
Or worse, are one of the idiots that think they are a 'Sovereign Citizen' who in their mind are answerable to no one but themselves.

In every country that I am aware of that has property tax systems, if you do not pay your property tax then eventually the government will take legal possession of your property and sell it in a tax auction. You will then be evicted - by force if needed.

That's how.

Thanks. I was really looking for an explanation of how the law works in the US. Not the scorn of someone who enjoys being a slave.

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How can they force you to pay property tax? I mean, even if it is a good idea to pay for a street out front, or a sidewalk, how can they force you to pay? It's your property, isn't it?

You obviously do not live on this planet or are a sheltered kid still living with their parent(s).....
Or worse, are one of the idiots that think they are a 'Sovereign Citizen' who in their mind are answerable to no one but themselves.

In every country that I am aware of that has property tax systems, if you do not pay your property tax then eventually the government will take legal possession of your property and sell it in a tax auction. You will then be evicted - by force if needed.

That's how.

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Let's say you buy some land... maybe a house. Let's say that you pay it off so it's completely yours. How can they force you to pay property tax? I mean, even if it is a good idea to pay for a street out front, or a sidewalk, how can they force you to pay? It's your property, isn't it? Does this mean that they can force you to pay tax on the hat on your head and the comb in your pocket? I mean, what if you never use their street or their sidewalk. Why should you pay?

But skip the should or shouldn't, or the moral/ethical obligation, for a moment. Where is the law that gives them the right to take some money from you in the form of property taxes? I mean, if they can do this, aren't you really their slave? Tomorrow it might be 100% taxation, like it all belongs to them.

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How does everyone think about land property rights in the future? Is it just going to be projection of force to defend land?

I'm toying with idea of decentralized property right system but curious to hear others' thoughts.

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