Topic: How to fuck up your packages (free) (Read 2979 times)
The problem with USPS is they aren't a real business so normal profit and loss doesn't motivate them. The cheapest way to get tracking that I recall is to get a very small package and add tracking to regular parcel post. Might even work with media mail. It still comes out cheaper then priority. And yes it's stupid because you have to intentionaly have it be thicker then a letter.
Thanks. If USPS refunds the recipient, then I won't have to reimburse in next month's check to him, and I'll refund your BTC.
https://paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_ship-now has shown First-Class Mail Parcel for months, but still no Letter.
Speaking of which, if the label qualified it for First Class Parcel, then why did USPS upgrade it all the way to Priority for only 1 oz (I've shipped FCM Parcels before via the above link; they're nowhere near $5.14 for 1 oz)? Because they're scamming bastards on multiple levels.
https://paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_ship-now has shown First-Class Mail Parcel for months, but still no Letter.
Speaking of which, if the label qualified it for First Class Parcel, then why did USPS upgrade it all the way to Priority for only 1 oz (I've shipped FCM Parcels before via the above link; they're nowhere near $5.14 for 1 oz)? Because they're scamming bastards on multiple levels.
An letter isn't a parcel. The lowest class of mail for an letter which has tracking is Priority Mail. Ironically if your letter had been >3/4" thick it would be too thick to be a letter and would be considered a parcel.
The simpler answer is tyring to figure out USPS is a good way to get a headache. They love asinine rules.
IIRC, I've shipped flexible paper <3/4" thick in small security envelopes with FC Parcel PP ship labels taped around them. No complaints from customers that they were upgraded to Priority. Asinine rules and apparently arbitrary/capricious enforcement.
Seems that the only reason they don't restrict all postage purchasing/packaging to directly from/in front of postal clerks, is so reasonably intelligent people get fucked by doing things "wrong".
Thanks. If USPS refunds the recipient, then I won't have to reimburse in next month's check to him, and I'll refund your BTC.
https://paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_ship-now has shown First-Class Mail Parcel for months, but still no Letter.
Speaking of which, if the label qualified it for First Class Parcel, then why did USPS upgrade it all the way to Priority for only 1 oz (I've shipped FCM Parcels before via the above link; they're nowhere near $5.14 for 1 oz)? Because they're scamming bastards on multiple levels.
https://paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_ship-now has shown First-Class Mail Parcel for months, but still no Letter.
Speaking of which, if the label qualified it for First Class Parcel, then why did USPS upgrade it all the way to Priority for only 1 oz (I've shipped FCM Parcels before via the above link; they're nowhere near $5.14 for 1 oz)? Because they're scamming bastards on multiple levels.
An letter isn't a parcel. The lowest class of mail for an letter which has tracking is Priority Mail. Ironically if your letter had been >3/4" thick it would be too thick to be a letter and would be considered a parcel.
The simpler answer is tyring to figure out USPS is a good way to get a headache. They love asinine rules.
Thanks. If USPS refunds the recipient, then I won't have to reimburse in next month's check to him, and I'll refund your BTC.
https://paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_ship-now has shown First-Class Mail Parcel for months, but still no Letter.
Speaking of which, if the label qualified it for First Class Parcel at the absolute minimum, then why did USPS upgrade it all the way to Priority for only 1 oz (I've shipped FCM Parcels before via PP ship; they're nowhere near $5.14 for 1 oz)? Because they're scamming bastards on multiple levels.
https://paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_ship-now has shown First-Class Mail Parcel for months, but still no Letter.
Speaking of which, if the label qualified it for First Class Parcel at the absolute minimum, then why did USPS upgrade it all the way to Priority for only 1 oz (I've shipped FCM Parcels before via PP ship; they're nowhere near $5.14 for 1 oz)? Because they're scamming bastards on multiple levels.
Actually I had already seen that label in my perusing the USPS store and researched it the best I personally could both before and after he brought it up. Didn't just take him at his word. Couldn't find shit at all, still feel like a moron, unable to cope with the genius-level USPS labyrinth. Ordered the pack of labels along with some other "free" supplies at the time. Maybe my recipients will get surprise fucked over them too, and I should enclose some condoms for them!
Waiting to see your negrating on
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=33781
I asked him about it and he said he sent a First Class letter (I'm guessing a FOIA request related to Bitcoin) to the FBI with this label. I guess he'll be facing a federal charge or reimbursement demand letter soon? Or does USPS waive their unwanted service upgrade overcharging when government is the recipient?
I'm not sure why I should get a negrate... I didn't try and mislead anyone? I'm sorry that what I said didn't work for you. Waiting to see your negrating on
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=33781
I asked him about it and he said he sent a First Class letter (I'm guessing a FOIA request related to Bitcoin) to the FBI with this label. I guess he'll be facing a federal charge or reimbursement demand letter soon? Or does USPS waive their unwanted service upgrade overcharging when government is the recipient?
Also, fwiw, I've also used this on letters to other people (other than the FOIA request), and they've never notified me that they were charged.
I'll pay you back whatever you got charged (in BTC), if you PM me...
EDIT: Sent to your OTC address. https://blockchain.info/tx/03ec5801f847966d0b2987a3f176e43b666b189ee3890f0098071810c3aeb09e
So this is practically fucking rocket surgery then. First I've seen of DMM100.
https://store.usps.com/store/browse/productDetailSingleSku.jsp?categoryNavIds=catGetMailingShippingSupplies%3asubcatMSS_MSS_Labels&categoryNav=false&navAction=push&navCount=0&productId=P_LABEL400&categoryId=subcatMSS_MSS_Labels
is where I ordered them from, where there is...
No reference to DMM100
No reference to them only being for specific mail items
No disclaimer that they can't be used for specific mail items
No link to a page that references DMM100
FUCK ALL.
You must have a much higher IQ than me DAT, because all this makes me feel like the BIGGEST FUCKING MORON IN BITCOINDOM. USPS SHOULD NOT REQUIRE A GENIUS LEVEL IQ TO NAVIGATE.
https://store.usps.com/store/browse/productDetailSingleSku.jsp?categoryNavIds=catGetMailingShippingSupplies%3asubcatMSS_MSS_Labels&categoryNav=false&navAction=push&navCount=0&productId=P_LABEL400&categoryId=subcatMSS_MSS_Labels
is where I ordered them from, where there is...
No reference to DMM100
No reference to them only being for specific mail items
No disclaimer that they can't be used for specific mail items
No link to a page that references DMM100
FUCK ALL.
You must have a much higher IQ than me DAT, because all this makes me feel like the BIGGEST FUCKING MORON IN BITCOINDOM. USPS SHOULD NOT REQUIRE A GENIUS LEVEL IQ TO NAVIGATE.
I just quoted the source to avoid any lame rebutals but I don't think you a moron you just trusted the OP and he made crap up and you got stung.
a) if you went to the post office they wouldn't allow you to track first class stamp
b) if you used the website you can add tracking to first class letter
c) if you use software like stamps.com there is no option to add tracking to frirst class letter
d) nowhere anywhere on USPS website does it say you can add tracking to first class letter.
The truth is you probably never would have tried sticking a random tracking label on a first class letter expecting it to be free had the OP not mislead you.
I can make a label and show you, if you want. Also, I didn't mean to mislead anyone... I was just saying that it worked for me.
Actually I had already seen that label in my perusing the USPS store and researched it the best I personally could both before and after he brought it up. Didn't just take him at his word. Couldn't find shit at all, still feel like a moron, unable to cope with the genius-level USPS labyrinth. Ordered the pack of labels along with some other "free" supplies at the time. Maybe my recipients will get surprise fucked over them too, and I should enclose some condoms for them!
Waiting to see your negrating on
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=33781
I asked him about it and he said he sent a First Class letter (I'm guessing a FOIA request related to Bitcoin) to the FBI with this label. I guess he'll be facing a federal charge or reimbursement demand letter soon? Or does USPS waive their unwanted service upgrade overcharging when government is the recipient?
Waiting to see your negrating on
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=33781
I asked him about it and he said he sent a First Class letter (I'm guessing a FOIA request related to Bitcoin) to the FBI with this label. I guess he'll be facing a federal charge or reimbursement demand letter soon? Or does USPS waive their unwanted service upgrade overcharging when government is the recipient?
So this is practically fucking rocket surgery then. First I've seen of DMM100.
https://store.usps.com/store/browse/productDetailSingleSku.jsp?categoryNavIds=catGetMailingShippingSupplies%3asubcatMSS_MSS_Labels&categoryNav=false&navAction=push&navCount=0&productId=P_LABEL400&categoryId=subcatMSS_MSS_Labels
is where I ordered them from, where there is...
No reference to DMM100
No reference to them only being for specific mail items
No disclaimer that they can't be used for specific mail items
No link to a page that references DMM100
FUCK ALL.
You must have a much higher IQ than me DAT, because all this makes me feel like the BIGGEST FUCKING MORON IN BITCOINDOM. USPS SHOULD NOT REQUIRE A GENIUS LEVEL IQ TO NAVIGATE.
https://store.usps.com/store/browse/productDetailSingleSku.jsp?categoryNavIds=catGetMailingShippingSupplies%3asubcatMSS_MSS_Labels&categoryNav=false&navAction=push&navCount=0&productId=P_LABEL400&categoryId=subcatMSS_MSS_Labels
is where I ordered them from, where there is...
No reference to DMM100
No reference to them only being for specific mail items
No disclaimer that they can't be used for specific mail items
No link to a page that references DMM100
FUCK ALL.
You must have a much higher IQ than me DAT, because all this makes me feel like the BIGGEST FUCKING MORON IN BITCOINDOM. USPS SHOULD NOT REQUIRE A GENIUS LEVEL IQ TO NAVIGATE.
I just quoted the source to avoid any lame rebutals but I don't think you a moron you just trusted the OP and he made crap up and you got stung.
a) if you went to the post office they wouldn't allow you to track first class stamp
b) if you used the website you can add tracking to first class letter
c) if you use software like stamps.com there is no option to add tracking to frirst class letter
d) nowhere anywhere on USPS website does it say you can add tracking to first class letter.
The truth is you probably never would have tried sticking a random tracking label on a first class letter expecting it to be free had the OP not mislead you.
Exactly.
They should ship exactly ZERO packs of tracking labels and recycle their current stock out of existence, because other than First Class stamps for letters, and the idiots still using more-expensive-than-retail postage meters, everyone else prints all-in-one postage/address/tracking labels for their packages at below- or at-retail rates, depending on the type. No need for these bullshit surprise tracking labels, except to trap anyone with sub-genius IQs. As I recall DAT's deeply technical crypto posts, there's no way he's on our lower level.
Where does USPS get off taking a 1 oz envelope with First Class stamps and upgrading it to Priority Mail? Just leave it in my goddamn mailbox until I figure out that I need to ask "why?"!
They should ship exactly ZERO packs of tracking labels and recycle their current stock out of existence, because other than First Class stamps for letters, and the idiots still using more-expensive-than-retail postage meters, everyone else prints all-in-one postage/address/tracking labels for their packages at below- or at-retail rates, depending on the type. No need for these bullshit surprise tracking labels, except to trap anyone with sub-genius IQs. As I recall DAT's deeply technical crypto posts, there's no way he's on our lower level.
Where does USPS get off taking a 1 oz envelope with First Class stamps and upgrading it to Priority Mail? Just leave it in my goddamn mailbox until I figure out that I need to ask "why?"!
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USPS SHOULD NOT REQUIRE A GENIUS LEVEL IQ TO NAVIGATE.
Don't stress. Read that again and laugh a bit. Of course USPS is a bankrupt fucked up maze of shit. In the modern world of the internet and printers they still ship you packs of tracking labels. Oh and max 4 packs per order. Not 3 or 5 but only 4 packs. USPS SHOULD NOT REQUIRE A GENIUS LEVEL IQ TO NAVIGATE.
So this is practically fucking rocket surgery then. First I've seen of DMM100.
https://store.usps.com/store/browse/productDetailSingleSku.jsp?categoryNavIds=catGetMailingShippingSupplies%3asubcatMSS_MSS_Labels&categoryNav=false&navAction=push&navCount=0&productId=P_LABEL400&categoryId=subcatMSS_MSS_Labels
is where I ordered them from, where there is...
No reference to DMM100
No reference to them only being for specific mail items
No disclaimer that they can't be used for specific mail items
No link to a page that references DMM100
FUCK ALL.
You must have a much higher IQ than me DAT, because all this makes me feel like the BIGGEST FUCKING MORON IN BITCOINDOM. USPS SHOULD NOT REQUIRE A GENIUS LEVEL IQ TO NAVIGATE.
https://store.usps.com/store/browse/productDetailSingleSku.jsp?categoryNavIds=catGetMailingShippingSupplies%3asubcatMSS_MSS_Labels&categoryNav=false&navAction=push&navCount=0&productId=P_LABEL400&categoryId=subcatMSS_MSS_Labels
is where I ordered them from, where there is...
No reference to DMM100
No reference to them only being for specific mail items
No disclaimer that they can't be used for specific mail items
No link to a page that references DMM100
FUCK ALL.
You must have a much higher IQ than me DAT, because all this makes me feel like the BIGGEST FUCKING MORON IN BITCOINDOM. USPS SHOULD NOT REQUIRE A GENIUS LEVEL IQ TO NAVIGATE.
Label 400 is a generic tracking label it can be used for first class packages, or priority mail, or any service where paid tracking is added. Just because USPS also has specific service labels doesn't mean the 400 isn't used for those purposes as well.
THERE IS NO FREE TRACKING FOR FIRST CLASS MAIL PACKAGES IF SHIPPED RETAIL.
THERE IS NO TRACKING AT ALL (FREE OR PAID) FOR FIRST CLASS LETTERS.
Therefore if you have a tracking label on an envelope it it can not be first class mail. You mailed a priority mail letter with insufficient postage because you believed the nonsense in the OP.
http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm100/extra-services.htm
THERE IS NO FREE TRACKING FOR FIRST CLASS MAIL PACKAGES IF SHIPPED RETAIL.
THERE IS NO TRACKING AT ALL (FREE OR PAID) FOR FIRST CLASS LETTERS.
Therefore if you have a tracking label on an envelope it it can not be first class mail. You mailed a priority mail letter with insufficient postage because you believed the nonsense in the OP.
http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm100/extra-services.htm
Quote
Extra [as in you past extra] Service:
...
First-Class Mail
...
USPS Tracking*
...
* For packages only.
...
First-Class Mail
...
USPS Tracking*
...
* For packages only.
Used USPS Label 400. Recipient was charged $5.14 to receive 1 oz First Class letter regular envelope, no extra services. Nowhere was a fee listed for "tracking". Fucking scammers at that PO.
You are mad because you tried to rip off the USPS and get caught?
You used a tracking label only valid on First Class PACKAGES and Priority Mail letters. The made recipient pay the difference for Priority Mail w/ free tracking.
No, Label 400 is NOT for First Class PACKAGES and Priority Mail letters.
http://about.usps.com/postal-bulletin/2013/pb22357/html/updt_002.htm
First Class Package tracking is Label 001, NOT 400.
Priority Mail tracking is Label 055, NOT 400.
Was it a weight issue or thickness issue?
As I said it was 1 oz.
It was as flexible/thick as any plain paper envelope with a single sheet of copy paper inside.
Used USPS Label 400. Recipient was charged $5.14 to receive 1 oz First Class letter regular envelope, no extra services. Nowhere was a fee listed for "tracking". Fucking scammers at that PO.
Was it a weight issue or thickness issue? Used USPS Label 400. Recipient was charged $5.14 to receive 1 oz First Class letter regular envelope, no extra services. Nowhere was a fee listed for "tracking". Fucking scammers at that PO.
You are mad because you tried to rip off the USPS and get caught?
You used a tracking label only valid on First Class PACKAGES and Priority Mail letters. The made recipient pay the difference for Priority Mail w/ free tracking.
Used USPS Label 400. Recipient was charged $5.14 to receive 1 oz First Class letter regular envelope, no extra services. Nowhere was a fee listed for "tracking". Fucking scammers at that PO.
No rule against mailing currency.
Just very very stupid to do.Up to $25k for insured Registered Mail, as long as you have sufficient evidence of value determined by your local postmaster at time of mailing.
But back to OP, I think these are free because they shoot through the letter scanning machines, and it's trivial to have a barcode scan on them. With packages, they have to be repositioned due to their irregularity.
No rule against mailing currency.
Just very very stupid to do.Up to $25k for insured Registered Mail, as long as you have sufficient evidence of value determined by your local postmaster at time of mailing.
But back to OP, I think these are free because they shoot through the letter scanning machines, and it's trivial to have a barcode scan on them. With packages, they have to be repositioned due to their irregularity.
No rule against mailing currency.
Just very very stupid to do.No rule against mailing currency.
Hah, you posted just as I woke up.Anyways, I've been using it for regular letters that I don't really want to pay for priority for. I had no idea SR vendors used these.
No rule against mailing currency.
Just very very stupid to do.
Isn't there some rule against mailing currency or is it just liquids? Anyways GJ OP this is useful for sellers of small items that still want tracking but it's not worth is to spend $5 on priority.
Well, if you buy a lot of BTC from people for cash in the mail (or vice versa, with tamper-evident paper wallets), I guess these could come in handy... I guess I don't have a good imagination for what else legal that could go in a FC envelope.
After you order 200 labels, watch out for FBI agents parked outside your house 
That's the way SR vendors used to track their packages.
Usage of these (Label 400): http://about.usps.com/postal-bulletin/2013/pb22357/html/updt_002.htm
I'd have to double check with USPS but I think if it's anything except First Class letter, you have to add extra postage to cover the tracking fee for using stamps or a postage meter, rather than buying postage online (where the non-signature tracking fee is usually free, but so is the tracking # and barcode generated on the spot and appended to the postage/address label).
I'd have to double check with USPS but I think if it's anything except First Class letter, you have to add extra postage to cover the tracking fee for using stamps or a postage meter, rather than buying postage online (where the non-signature tracking fee is usually free, but so is the tracking # and barcode generated on the spot and appended to the postage/address label).
1. Order tracking labels at https://store.usps.com/store/browse/productDetailSingleSku.jsp?productId=P_LABEL400&categoryId=subcatMSS_PriorityMail (No cost; takes a week or two to come; you can order up to 4 packs of 50 at once)
2. Fill out letter as you normally would
3. Put tracking label as shown here: http://grab.by/r9jy
4. Within a few hours of being picked up, you should be able to track it at usps.com
Here's how it looked when I tried it out: http://grab.by/r9jO (this package will be delivered tomorrow).
If you got some use out of this, feel free to donate to 17QAPwXnqXX771j2CB7y2ahuoX76X4aipv.
^^Don't use this. I was wrong.
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