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legendary
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August 21, 2021, 03:28:57 PM
#45
I am a day old in this forum and am understanding some ways in which one can get rewarded and one of such is gambling, but again, one needs to understand the risk involved.
As the others already said gambling isn't a way for you to get rewarded if you insist treat gambling with such a mindset or treat it as a source of income (in the worst case) I believe sooner or later it would suffer your life. Gambling isn't the way to making money instead of one of the ways to entertain ourselves from our routines, in case you are planning to build up your own wealth it would be wise to avoid gambling as much as possible.

OP should read all the pieces of advise here. indeed, gambling is not to be treated as a potential source of income, because it is not. but to have a lil enjoyment in your life, you can. start playing small. look around in this section esp the gambling board . there are popular casinos you can try. read their trust, and you will have idea how they are doing in their business. don't go all in. read the ToS, if they require KYC or not before withdrawal. you may be surprised by some of the requirements - wagering, etc. playing and losing money is easy here, but winning is not.
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August 21, 2021, 03:20:47 PM
#44
I am a day old in this forum and am understanding some ways in which one can get rewarded and one of such is gambling, but again, one needs to understand the risk involved.

What are your guides from your personal experience of gambling?

There's a lot of ways to play gambling at your comfort zones, and based on my experience with several situations we've been played though our emotions.
Being too excited to win, was exactly the most reasons why a gambler tend to lose. All the good and negative sides will prevail, and as a newbie you should be aware that win and loss situation is always part of entertainment that you get from gambling.
sr. member
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August 21, 2021, 02:51:10 PM
#43
I am a day old in this forum and am understanding some ways in which one can get rewarded and one of such is gambling, but again, one needs to understand the risk involved.
As the others already said gambling isn't a way for you to get rewarded if you insist treat gambling with such a mindset or treat it as a source of income (in the worst case) I believe sooner or later it would suffer your life. Gambling isn't the way to making money instead of one of the ways to entertain ourselves from our routines, in case you are planning to build up your own wealth it would be wise to avoid gambling as much as possible.
sr. member
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August 21, 2021, 02:23:11 PM
#42
Simply just put aside the money you want to gamble in a month. You know the risk that not every time you will win and if you happen to lose that money which you have kept aside in gambling then you should just be fine and not be regretting about it. If that's fits you then you are set to have some fun in gambling. Having fun is equally important too.


It is not advisable to play gambling that way unless if one would be willing to risk just for the sake of entertainment. In the long run if you do it that way I'm sure there's more losses than winning if you make a put a list of your gambling activity. Not everyone who plays gambling will win big because most of the time luck is not always on your favor.

A small gambling experience would be enough for someone to know that either online or traditional gambling is not really for getting a profit/reward. It's better to seek some work to earn money than to gamble because a lot of people suffered from losses.
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August 21, 2021, 02:18:42 PM
#41
I am a day old in this forum and am understanding some ways in which one can get rewarded and one of such is gambling, but again, one needs to understand the risk involved.

What are your guides from your personal experience of gambling?
You can gamble even if you are a newbie here in the forum because this is not related to any gambling site though this forum has become a place to introduce a new project. Personally, you still have to learn things more about gambling and understand its risk because in gambling you don’t always make money, losing are more possible to happen than to make money so don’t expect too much in gambling and there’s no reward in gambling not unless you spend money first.
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August 21, 2021, 02:11:44 PM
#40
...What are your guides from your personal experience of gambling?
- Understand how a particular game or sports are played and all the rules if you plan to go down this path.
- Make sure you read the important part of the gambling platform's Terms and conditions like the restrictions.
- Don't treat it as your main livelihood.

Gambling is not a way for you to get rewarded.
i think the word reward can be in any form and not only by money .
In gambling you can get rewarded with happiness  happiness that you get on simple things related on the gambling activity that you do .


Come on Sonofgeneral is obviously talking about money in his post when he said reward since he's also asking about the risks and that's what GamblingBro is responding to.
well, there are still some people who gamble as a way of earning a passive income and again if your sole purpose is to gain profits, then I will say you should gain skills that will guide you're winning the games.
legendary
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August 21, 2021, 02:01:54 PM
#39
The risks in gambling are many, what I recommend is that you can establish how much you are willing to lose, it is the first thing you should do, I do not recommend playing with 100% of the balance because if you do not have experience, it is most likely that you will lose it. In my experience, it is always good to allocate little money to understand some games, you can take risks with poker, black Jack and others that are even easier such as DICE, or Coinflip, this depending on the platform where you are.

Of 100% of your balance, I recommend that you allocate only 2% to learn and 8% to risk it, and that the earnings per day are few but constant, it does not matter that you earn little, the idea is to add.
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August 21, 2021, 01:50:37 PM
#38
What are your guides from your personal experience of gambling?

Guides that I used since I was newbie till now:
  • Find information which gambling site is reputable
  • Only play games I'm familiar with
  • Bankroll management: spend spare money only
  • Emotion management: avoid greediness, not gamble when I'm not in a good mood
  • Time management: knowing when to start and when to stop
you give complete advice to OP...

I also suggest knowing when to stop because gambling has a great curious effect to keep winning. other than that, only playing games that are understood is highly recommended because many newbies also lose because they try games that they are not good at.
hero member
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August 21, 2021, 01:22:32 PM
#37
What are your guides from your personal experience of gambling?

Guides that I used since I was newbie till now:
  • Find information which gambling site is reputable
  • Only play games I'm familiar with
  • Bankroll management: spend spare money only
  • Emotion management: avoid greediness, not gamble when I'm not in a good mood
  • Time management: knowing when to start and when to stop
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August 21, 2021, 12:25:15 PM
#36
Online gambling will indeed make people curious for those who have not tried it and finally there is a desire to try it without knowing that those who have been involved will get more wins or losses.
and but it all depends on the goal of the OP who wants to start playing gambling with the aim of having fun or making money, and if the goal is to have fun maybe you will feel happy while playing and enjoying the game and besides that you will also limit time, and also your betting capital.
And if your goal is to make money, it is very wrong because as long as you play without realizing it, you will lose a lot of money and when you realize it and make you poor, it is too late.

You should consider all the advice given to you and think further about the risks that you will face because gambling is not the best solution to earn money or income.
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August 21, 2021, 12:19:23 PM
#35
Simply just put aside the money you want to gamble in a month. You know the risk that not every time you will win and if you happen to lose that money which you have kept aside in gambling then you should just be fine and not be regretting about it. If that's fits you then you are set to have some fun in gambling. Having fun is equally important too.

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August 21, 2021, 12:13:35 PM
#34
I am a day old in this forum and am understanding some ways in which one can get rewarded and one of such is gambling, but again, one needs to understand the risk involved.

What are your guides from your personal experience of gambling?

Okay so let's talk about why you wanna gamble?
For fun ?
That is something that might be okay for the time being until and unless you are getting addicted to it. I do think you should not just go online and try out things on your own, rather you can try and gamble on safe websites, most of them are involved on the forum and as you can see they do have their own campaigns.
Gambling with a website with strong customer support provides a sense of security too.
At the same time you have to see which currency you are going to use ? BTC ? ETH? ETH will have lower fee and charges and therefore you can very easily send/recieve through that. So be careful and everything else you will learn along the way, do not get addicted.
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August 21, 2021, 12:11:29 PM
#33
- Understand how a particular game or sports are played and all the rules if you plan to go down this path.
- Make sure you read the important part of the gambling platform's Terms and conditions like the restrictions.
- Don't treat it as your main livelihood.
Also doing a research about the team if it's a sportsbook. Betting whta you want will work too but the chance of winning different if you make a research. The third one you mentioned is also important to remember as gambling is not a chance to earn money big time or normal profit. When it comes to gamblin, the platform always win.
sr. member
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August 21, 2021, 11:17:34 AM
#32
...What are your guides from your personal experience of gambling?
- Understand how a particular game or sports are played and all the rules if you plan to go down this path.
- Make sure you read the important part of the gambling platform's Terms and conditions like the restrictions.
- Don't treat it as your main livelihood.

Gambling is not a way for you to get rewarded.
i think the word reward can be in any form and not only by money .
In gambling you can get rewarded with happiness  happiness that you get on simple things related on the gambling activity that you do .


Come on Sonofgeneral is obviously talking about money in his post when he said reward since he's also asking about the risks and that's what GamblingBro is responding to.
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August 21, 2021, 11:16:38 AM
#31
Everyone in this world might be having basic knowledge about gambling, when it comes to crypto gambling then you will have more convenience and privacy compared to the traditional fiat casinos.

Choosing the right gambling site is very important because there wre lot of fake and scam gambling sites are there.
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August 21, 2021, 10:56:58 AM
#30
I will advise you to stay away from gambling, as it can ruin your life if you become a gambling addict. What I normally do is play gambling games in my free time and just for fun and not to get rewarded. Gambling can be highly addictive, and at that one, most do not get carried away by the quest to make a few profits.
legendary
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August 21, 2021, 10:22:49 AM
#29
I guess you are having a misconception about gambling. There's no easy money in gambling it's all about risk if your goal is just to earn money in gambling and make this is a money generator I guess it's better to stop. Gambling is full of risk, not all the time it's a winning day mostly the deduction of your assets. My advice is just to gamble for fun if you win great you enjoy with additional profit, don't get hype because you see a lot of winners in gamble and watching too many movies most of the protagonists win their game. Always set limitation when you gamble.
legendary
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August 21, 2021, 10:17:20 AM
#28
I am a day old in this forum and am understanding some ways in which one can get rewarded and one of such is gambling, but again, one needs to understand the risk involved.

What are your guides from your personal experience of gambling?

I think you are a troll or joke badly, but just in case, I will repeat what all gamblers know: gambling is not a way to make money, but entertainment, while gambling you will spend money, not earn it. Therefore, if you consider gambling as a way to make money, just pass by.
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August 21, 2021, 10:12:50 AM
#27
I am a day old in this forum and am understanding some ways in which one can get rewarded and one of such is gambling, but again, one needs to understand the risk involved.

What are your guides from your personal experience of gambling?

If you are thinking gambling would yield you good profits then you are completely mistaken.
Most of the people who gamble often lose money rather than making money.
Yes, there are people who do make money but consistent profits in gambling is like a myth.

To get started with gambling I would recommend you choosing a good gambling website.
You can read reviews on btcgosu.com and decide for yourself which website to register in.
Start with small amounts that you can afford to lose. Don't bet with high amounts for at least a month.
Get a good grasp of what gambling acutally is and then build a strategy on how to proceed.
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August 21, 2021, 10:00:36 AM
#26
Gambling is not a way for you to get rewarded.
i think the word reward can be in any form and not only by money .
In gambling you can get rewarded with happiness  happiness that you get on simple things related on the gambling activity that you do .

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If you are looking for the possibility to earn money, then stay away from gambling.
if it's only a possibility then why not ?
Because wins can occur too in gambling if one is lucky but if it's the other way around then thats the time to discourage someone to play gambling .
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August 21, 2021, 09:59:03 AM
#25
You have seen enough views from fellow forum users on the effect of choosing gambling as a career part or a means of making income. Stick to what you already know about gambling and risk what you can afford to lose. Don't go about chasing your losses because it will only drain you the more. Watch that you control your gambling appetite and stay deciplined with your  funds because gambling has no guaranteed formula or technique it only comes with luck sometimes.
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August 21, 2021, 09:56:10 AM
#24
I am a day old in this forum and am understanding some ways in which one can get rewarded and one of such is gambling, but again, one needs to understand the risk involved.

What are your guides from your personal experience of gambling?
if you've never gambled at all it's better you never try it
because gambling can be a double-edged knife (destroy your life in no time or make you rich in no time)

btw, my advice is you don't gamble with greed, stop after losing or winning, don't get involved with debt in gambling
Many newbies destroy their lives because they gamble with greed and get into debt for or when gambling

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August 21, 2021, 09:44:23 AM
#23
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the only decent guide/advice you'll get in gambling are don't gamble what you can afford to lose, don't chase your losses, gamble moderately, discipline yourself, properly manage your funds, do not treat it as a way to earn profits. if you want to understand the risk there are a lot of articles on the internet about what can happen to someone when they started gambling.

Yes, these are definitely right. And among the most important thing is to check and select a credible and legit gambling site. Beware of the new gambling sites, and to those that does not have an established reputation because it is too risky to play with those sites. So, do your research and do not be decisive.
legendary
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August 21, 2021, 09:40:16 AM
#22
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the only decent guide/advice you'll get in gambling are don't gamble what you can afford to lose, don't chase your losses, gamble moderately, discipline yourself, properly manage your funds, do not treat it as a way to earn profits. if you want to understand the risk there are a lot of articles on the internet about what can happen to someone when they started gambling.
legendary
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August 21, 2021, 09:30:28 AM
#21
I am a day old in this forum and am understanding some ways in which one can get rewarded and one of such is gambling, but again, one needs to understand the risk involved.

What are your guides from your personal experience of gambling?
Guides? Don't think about gambling as your milking cow. It's supposed to be a way to make the game more exciting.

Questions: What games do you prefer? Sports gambling? Esports? Dice? Poker? You should be more specific if you want some tips or we could also direct you to some threads that was created a long time ago but still running with different members sharing their every bets.
You could also try the gambling platforms threads for there are tipsters there that includes analysis of a game. Like a shortcut instead of researching everything in the internet one by one.
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August 21, 2021, 09:19:56 AM
#20
I am a day old in this forum and am understanding some ways in which one can get rewarded and one of such is gambling, but again, one needs to understand the risk involved.

What are your guides from your personal experience of gambling?
First rule of gambling, don't gamble if you can't afford to lose your money. You don't gamble to earn, you gamble to have fun. And yes, there are risks involved and the risks are very high. The more you keep on gambling, the higher the chance of losing everything. Just remember, in the long run, it is the house that will always win due to the house edge. There are no strategies or "tricks" that can help you beat the house. Made some profit? Take it and leave.
You should start thinking of gambling as a paid source of entertainment. Those profit are just extra money that you can use to have more fun.
legendary
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August 21, 2021, 09:04:09 AM
#19
Everyone in this thread is prolly down in the long term of their betting 'careers'. That is why gambling websites exist because they know no matter what happens they will always profit. It is probably one of the easiest ways to make money in business and there are many victims that lose a lot of money. I would take the advice above and only bet on things if you are going to watch them and betting on them gives you more satisfaction from watching otherwise do not because you will not profit.
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August 21, 2021, 09:02:24 AM
#18
I am a day old in this forum and am understanding some ways in which one can get rewarded and one of such is gambling, but again, one needs to understand the risk involved.

I'm sorry but you have the wrong mindset as a newbie gambler. The only way you will be rewarded is that if you always win, but that is not the case 99% of the time.

What are your guides from your personal experience of gambling?

There is no guide because you will only need money and then gamble. But remember, the risk is very high and chances are you might get addicted to it. So you have to think hard before involving yourself in gambling.
sr. member
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August 21, 2021, 08:49:01 AM
#17
I am a day old in this forum and am understanding some ways in which one can get rewarded and one of such is gambling, but again, one needs to understand the risk involved.

What are your guides from your personal experience of gambling?

What do you mean by the risk involved in Gambling ? Gambling is 100% risky and there is no other thing in the world which is more risky than gambling. So if you are willing to earn money by gambling, think again. You will end up losing money.

Try to earn money from a better way and only then you can risk some of your earned profit in gambling.
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August 21, 2021, 08:33:10 AM
#16
If the result will risk your money, then that is not worth doing. You do not have to play gambling to make money but you can do other things and I am sure you can find it by searching not just in this forum but you can use the other websites to make money.

Do not use gambling to make money, as you can see that many people already lose their money. If you just want to know about gambling and do not have a high intensity in making money from gambling, you're good to go.
sr. member
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August 21, 2021, 08:15:40 AM
#15
Actually, it's easy to learn how to gamble, the hardest part is to stay disciplined as some gamblers lose control in gambling that resulted in them losing more than they can afford to lose. it's okay to aim for profit as that's really the main purpose why we are gambling, however, we have to put in mind that gambling is not for everyone if we go with the same purpose, so evaluate yourself, start small so you'll know if you can be profitable or not.
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August 21, 2021, 08:14:44 AM
#14
Someday you win & someday you lose.
If you are planning to make money from gambling, keep it in mind that you can lose too and to chase the loss, you will certainly be a gambling addicted; someday you will discover yourself bankrupted. Yesterday, I had shared how and why I got involved with gambling. I'm sharing link to that post- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57743491
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August 21, 2021, 08:03:40 AM
#13
I am a day old in this forum and am understanding some ways in which one can get rewarded and one of such is gambling, but again, one needs to understand the risk involved.

What are your guides from your personal experience of gambling?
Guides?? No need to share for you.
Our advice?? Don't start gambling.

There are many ways for a person to get rewarded and gambling is one of them but most of us will not recommend it since you asked here yeah Cheesy. You already know the risk involved in gambling then why are you trying to gamble then?? You might find guides here or in the youtube but in the end, its the luck that will dictate your outcome when you gamble. You lucky = you win and vice versa.

Personal experience?? Some might say the positive things that happen in their gambling journey but most of us suffered a loss when we gambled so don't read or ask it but it is still ok I think so that you know what can you feel too when you try it Smiley.
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August 21, 2021, 08:00:13 AM
#12
You should keep in mind that gambling wouldn't reward you all the time and it has a huge risk as well so you better play and gamble for entertainment purposes only. If you'll see it as a source of income then that's a wrong mindset. Also, you should only risk the funds that you could afford to lose. Know the consequences of too much gambling so you'll know how to avoid it.
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August 21, 2021, 07:41:11 AM
#11
If you think of a reward, please don't start in gambling, unless you are good with affiliate marketing and you can use your referral to promote the site, that way, there's no risk on your part and you will make money based on the number of sign-ups you will get and of course, they also need to gamble.

Enjoy gambling as it's intended for entertainment, if you have a job, you are good to go but if you go gambling as your source of income, then always think twice as you are in the wrong journey.
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August 21, 2021, 07:35:02 AM
#10
I am a day old in this forum and am understanding some ways in which one can get rewarded and one of such is gambling, but again, one needs to understand the risk involved.

What are your guides from your personal experience of gambling?

My advice would be to not immediately start gambling with real money but to start with a free trial account with virtual cash. That way you can try out the different games that are available on different platforms to find the game that you are enjoying the most. And of course you can also see how much money you would have lost or won with your gambling. Another advice would be to only gamble if you are enjoying it and not because you want to live from your gambling winnings because this works out only for a small per percentage of all gamblers.
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August 21, 2021, 07:25:29 AM
#9
I am a day old in this forum and am understanding some ways in which one can get rewarded and one of such is gambling, but again, one needs to understand the risk involved.

What are your guides from your personal experience of gambling?

My advice to you and to all newbies is to only play with money that you can afford to lose and don't think that you can win against the gambling site there is a house edge where the circumstances favor them to win.

Have fun enjoy the game while it last, not only because you win in your first round of gambling that does not mean that you are lucky in gambling, there's no such thing as a god of gamblers, you can only see that in movies.
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August 21, 2021, 07:19:40 AM
#8
I suggest you listen to what other forum members say. Gambling isn’t a source of income, it’s an entertainment, which can quickly become a rather expensive entertainment. There’s nothing bad about it, if you consider it as a way of having fun, like going to the clubs, travelling, etc. But please don’t think you can be in profit after gambling. Even skill based games result in loss initially, it take time to learn and advance to the level, where you can actually win with it.

If you are already financially unstable - bad choice.
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August 21, 2021, 06:56:10 AM
#7
I am a day old in this forum and am understanding some ways in which one can get rewarded and one of such is gambling, but again, one needs to understand the risk involved.

What are your guides from your personal experience of gambling?
Why do you want to gamble?. Can you risk an amount of money for gambling?. If you can't do that or afraid to do that then you shouldn't gamble. If you are looking to earn money by gambling is not a great choice. Based on the quote above, you want to get rewarded then better hone your skills and do a service in this forum then you will bw rewarded. Check the service board and see what kind of service you can offer.
legendary
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August 21, 2021, 06:34:39 AM
#6
Gambling is not a way for you to get rewarded.
If you are looking for the possibility to earn money, then stay away from gambling.
If you are looking for a way to have fun and ready to spend some budget on the entertainment, then welcome Wink

I have been active in the gambling field for several years and I can only agree with @GamblingBro. Gambling is a highly speculative thing, in which the vast majority lose money instead of winning. You should rather concentrate on other ways to earn money safely. Gambling is not one of them.


Exactly! Gambling is entertainment... it's something you spend money on and not something where you look how to earn! Yes, gambling sessions can be profitable, but not all of them, sometimes it's more losing than winning... but that's gambling, ups and downs are pretty normal!
Gambling is a way to have fun, people should never risk more than they can afford to lose! In a case of some nice win even better, but it's gambling and chances of losing your bankroll are high!
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August 21, 2021, 06:31:34 AM
#5
You should seek reward from profitable adventure and not gambling because if you try hoping on making huge returns you would only hurt your emotions. Gambling is a fun adventure that only requires your spare fiat, token or coin and it should be an amount you can afford to lose it's not a get rich scheme that is why no strategy can guarantee a consistent winning
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August 21, 2021, 06:02:35 AM
#4
Gambling is not a way for you to get rewarded.
If you are looking for the possibility to earn money, then stay away from gambling.
If you are looking for a way to have fun and ready to spend some budget on the entertainment, then welcome Wink

I have been active in the gambling field for several years and I can only agree with @GamblingBro. Gambling is a highly speculative thing, in which the vast majority lose money instead of winning. You should rather concentrate on other ways to earn money safely. Gambling is not one of them.
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August 21, 2021, 05:58:05 AM
#3
My advice is: Don't. So I would take GamblingBro advice's above. Gamble for a bit of fun but not to make money. There are far better and easier ways to make money both here, online and offline. Gambling to make money is just asking for trouble.
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August 21, 2021, 05:13:28 AM
#2
Gambling is not a way for you to get rewarded.
If you are looking for the possibility to earn money, then stay away from gambling.
If you are looking for a way to have fun and ready to spend some budget on the entertainment, then welcome Wink
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August 21, 2021, 04:44:07 AM
#1
I am a day old in this forum and am understanding some ways in which one can get rewarded and one of such is gambling, but again, one needs to understand the risk involved.

What are your guides from your personal experience of gambling?
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