Topic: How to level playing field in mining> (Read 329 times)

Introducing some sort of handicap/Penalty for ASICs could be one way to go. But i dont a way of implementing it since the ASICs have almost all the voting power due to high hashrate.
I like your idea, if you make a go of it i would definetly check it out.

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its an idea but doing it in a way that isn't centralized is difficult to implement.

hell even with centralization its near impossible to reliably implement.

this is the fake generation, keep trying.

IP addresses can change, and too many people would be hobby miners, negating any potential benefit for actual GPU miners.  It's a neat idea but I think the best way is to keep ASICs away from coins by changing algos, assuming that is what the developer wants.

Well  if it is a gpu rig  and the os has a unique  number

the mobo has a unique serial number


and the cpu has a unique serial number

link the three as a set.  and you have a unique rig .   



and I am not looking to exclude asics if you want to use them  buy the super size  os with less restrictions but more costly.

Variations on this have to work and not exclude any one.  but hinder big ass mining with large asic rigs.

The  os  could be a 512 bit encrypted code  different for each one

The server on the pool reads it and knows it is a small rig or a big rig.

Asics will work  but at a higher cost due to the big size os .

and the os is restricted by size.  There must be identifier that is anonymous and unqiue.

that would be proof of identity.. which isnt alltogether a bad thing..

but individuality is enough.

Know Your Customer like a lot of the exchanges are doing?  => Proof of Individuality ...  /sarcasm

ethos is great but what we really need is proof of individuality.

ip address is not the answer.

  This method favors smaller gear but allows bigger gear.


Forks are exclusionary in principle

but we don't need every coin to do my way just some.

Remember every good fork  making a good solid money making coin = an algo for asic builders to crack then  mine on the sneak  then sell tons of asics and gut the coin.

So even great fork action is not enough.

But I certainly would buy an os  that lets me mine  a six card gpu rig at a profit.
With real protection against asics and forks as a backup method.


I think ip  is not needed maybe just an id for the os a unique number for each os.

ethos has that.

I like the intent.  Penalizing rarely works, or rather, is rarely accepted by the populace.  Incentivizing usually works better.  For example, I knew a landlord that made the rent due on the 10th of each month, but if you paid by the 1st, he gave you a discount! Yay, discount!  Which was the same as charging normal rent on the 1st and charging a late fee by the 10th ...

I'm not very creative, so i don't have any better ideas.

It would be difficult to prevent abuse of the system.  Abuse of any system, really ...

Most residential internet (at least Comcast/Xfinity) does not have a static IP address.  It may be available at an additional fee, not 100% since I've never tried to get a static IP.

Sorry but it's not really a comprehensive solution and it seems complicated.  More stuff to buy (a separate OS...) more stuff to learn about and deal with (separate OS...)

It is doable... but I don't think everyone would be onboard and it would be like putting out a fire with a squirt gun.

I don't see abandoning forks so quickly.  A high quality fork or a high quality resistance algorithm should endure without so many forks being required.  And this way, it's more transparent to miners and everyone else as opposed to some niche OS that turns into the Microsoft of the mining world.

So that's where I stand... The challenge remains with the smart guys developing algorithms.  Their job isn't over... yet.

what do you think level the playing field means?  It means making financial handicaps  against asic and fpga  to encourage a broadbase of mining.

If you looked at my math  you would see  that  asics would not be fully pushed down to gpu levels  and that asics would still  be somewhat better.


Take the z9  300 watts 10000 sols cost 2.5k for the June one  33 sols a watt

take a 2.5k 1080ti rig  about 2000 sols at 500 watts  or 4 sols a watt

So the z9 is  8x better  my numbers  would make the diff for the asic 2x or 3x  which means the asic is better  but not that much better.

Actually   the diff increase could slide  but the idea is to keep mining diverse.

Since the al-gore-rythm would allow an asic you don't worry about getting forked into a brick  the price you pay to not brick  is less efficiency.

I am looking create a handicap concept.

I used to bowl  a lot  we had handicap rules  that made  a team of say 4 guys that bowled 200 each spot points  to a team of 4 guys that bowled  150 each.

so 800 vs 600  the low bowlers would be crushed.  the league I was in used 80% handicap  so the 200  better was  x 80%   or 160 point  added to the lessor bowlers    so the better bowlers did get some of the benefit of being better.

in my idea asics get some of the benefit of being better
asics also don't get bricked by forks
but gpus even cpus  still can mine somewhat.

Look for me I have an unbeatable power deal up to 20k-watts  I will always earn money  unless the gear breaks.

But to want to kill off millions of small gpu miners is moron stupid.

and to say the  gpu guy or cpu guy should buy an asic is not reasonable as many can not access them.

There simply has to be a way of creating a flatter system.


But why?

Here is why ?   the bowling alleys will not be filled with leagues  without handicapped concepts for play.   There are only so many 200 average  bowlers.

Same for mining  there are only so many of us that can swing a power deal  with no worries about sound or equipment delivery.

My idea  does not need to be for all coins.  Just some.
There are no handicap bowling leagues  with all bowlers averaging 200 plus.

You could have unrestricted coins btc ltc whatever.




tie the  ip may not be needed.

a blankCoinOs that mines blank coin

give it an identifier.

give it levels

level1             0 -     4000 sols
level2       4000 -    10000 sols
level3     10000 -    50000 sols
level4     50000 -  250000 sols
level5    250000 - 1000000 sols


you only need 10 coins and algos  like this   it would kind of keep gpus only on them  but it would keep gpus.
level6  1000000 sols and up

My residential IP changes all the time. The number changes every few days. So it is difficult to tie an IP.

I do not like ASICs, but....if you do it this way, why would anyone buy anything but the weakest miner. Buying a 3K$ ASIC to mine at basically the same dificulty as a hobby miner makes no sense.

Well  lets say  a guy has  a z9 it does  10000 sols and pays a slight penalty since it is in the small miner since. 

 So he figures a way to drop to 3x 3333 miners  he still needs 3 ips and 3 mining permits/os

So even though  he gets his 300 watts and 10000 sols he pays more.

the  mining/os fees  can all be rolled into  bonus "uncle" blocks .

I am not looking to kill off  asics or fpga's  I am looking to lower  the financial incentive to pick them over gpus.


Look you built moonlanders  with 1 chip.

So zecSticks with 1 chip  become desirable in my example as they  stay under that  sol cap.   

Looks good in theory, but this would be nearly impossible to implement since it would need to be done at the blockchain's protocol level. Difficultly is encoded in each block...to have difficulty "assigned" to each miner would not really be possible without some sort of centralized system managing it. Even if it was somehow managed decentralized via a sort of "smart contract" system on top of the protocol layer I could still see ways people could easily abuse this.

What is the point of bringing ip into the mix, Os license serial is uniq already and should be enough or am i missing something ?

At first glance I would say that there will be a lot of hobby miners 

Not saying we should  but  how to do it.


Yeah fork fork fork fork = pita

How about  ideas and proposals ?

My newest idea is sell an OS  with a license tied to your ip.

So lets say my ip is

01.234.567.89

I buy an os  that allows me to mine  zec  and or other alogs      Something like ethos  does.   It is unique has its own number  say 123456789

So they are paired     01.234.567.89   with  123456789

And if I am doing  zec

under         4000  sols =  hobby     miner so diff is      x
4000   to   10000 sols = small     miner  so diff is   1.5x
10000 to   50000 sols = medium miner  so diff is   3.0x
50000 to 250000 sols = large      miner so diff  is   9.0x
over       250,000 sols = unlimited miner so diff is 20.0x


It  makes the attraction to  asic's less  since they have a higher difficulty.
No forks

gpus stay in the game

hobby mining is not lost.


Feel free to poke a hole at it but  it seems like it could work.

Any insult to anyone I will delete.

So  to asic only  or gpu only  people  please  be polite.  As for FPGA  proponents also be polite.