My trust was adjusted after 5 months, thanks to Hillariousandco for that. I sent him an appeal for karma removal one time each month. I tried to be helpful on the forum and help to fight with spam as other high members suggested in my reputation thread. I have reported more as 1115 spam posts and other forum abuse like scam, plagiarism, bots, ref. link, off top, etc. with 100% of accuracy. Answered a lot of newbie questions and finally got positive trust for that (first time in my 6 years on this forum).
I thought I will share this information before I will close this topic to let others know how this case ended and what can you do in such a situation. I have searched for such a topic with answers but I haven't found any when was needed and had to learn from my mistakes.
So here is what I learned from this lesson and mistakes I have done.
1. If you got red trust wait few days before posting to your tagger if he was not so kind to inform you about this.
2. Read twice what you have written before sending your PM because this is your only chance every next PM sent in next 7 days will be seen as spam and you will be ignored.
3. Think twice before opening your reputation thread.
4. Are you not guilty or made a mistake, ok then, go and open your thread if there is no other way around but remember you can get even more red paint.
5. Be calm and polite, they will bring hell on you, don't fight them, try to defend yourself wisely and explain everything calmly even few times.
6. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
I wish you luck with your reputation threads dear Bitcointalkers.
Topic: How to remove negative trust? (from Hilariousandco) (Read 1325 times)
What do you expect to this man? ...
Thank you very much for your comment in my reputation thread, but please hold to the topic which is my negative reputation. If you want to discuss with The Pharmacist your trust please create your own topic and he will respond for sure.
Like I said before and will repeat one more time. The Pharmacist is an asset to this forum and even after he tagged me I was still supporting him because I believed that I'll be able to talk and explain myself. I was right and my reputation is adjusted so maybe you are doing something wrong or your approach to explaining your case isn't good. I don't know.
One more thing. You said that everybody has an alt on BTT. Again, not true because I have no alt and I don't need it. If you don't want to abuse the system, there is no need for an alt if you are a regular member. If you are a mod or running any sort of promotion or campaign then there is a possibility that these members could create an alt and there is nothing wrong with that.
I agree i did something wrong with my alts,but if you are going to give me one more chance,i would prove myself to you.
You're not going to prove anything here. The only thing you'll do, which is what all spammers do, is to learn how not to get caught. If I remove my trust on your accounts, what's going to happen? You'll put them right back into bounties and resume spamming again. And if you're not going to do that, what's the point of you asking me to remove my trust?So, no. It's not going to happen. Nobody here wants the consequences of their actions--they just want the rewards, and they want to continue doing whatever it was that got them in trouble in the first place.
Look at what you're doing here: You're using all of your alts to post these cries for mercy, and you're sending me PMs on top of that. There's nothing but trouble for the forum if I were to give you a second chance. I'm also done discussing this with you.
What do you expect to this man? he aint got balls to admit that he doesnt deserved to be DT member,i got red trust for having alt accounts which participated different bounties,he is doing things the way he wants.I hope this idiot is going to be removed in the DT members as soon as possible as he is going to be like LAUDA,having their own rules,
tell me if he doesnt have any alt acconts here?
I found your alt accounts because you used them to make posts consecutively in the same thread, and they were all shitposts. That makes you a spammer, and such behavior is directly toxic to the forum as a whole. What you were engaging in makes it a lot harder to find good posts, because you have to look at and decide to skip over your posts, and that uses up valuable eyeball time and attention span. You did this so you could profit, and you couldn't care less if what you wrote made any sense, much less contributed anything useful (which it absolutely didn't).tell me if he doesnt have any alt acconts here?
You can keep bitching about your feedback, but it's clear you don't--and will never--agree with my arguments. I would suggest, however, that you take a look at how much support you're getting here and maybe consider whether the community agrees with my assessment of you. It's hard to take a honest and critical look at yourself, but sometimes it can be therapeutic.
What do you expect to this man? he aint got balls to admit that he doesnt deserved to be DT member,i got red trust for having alt accounts which participated different bounties,he is doing things the way he wants.I hope this idiot is going to be removed in the DT members as soon as possible as he is going to be like LAUDA,having their own rules,
tell me if he doesnt have any alt acconts here?
I found your alt accounts because you used them to make posts consecutively in the same thread, and they were all shitposts. That makes you a spammer, and such behavior is directly toxic to the forum as a whole. What you were engaging in makes it a lot harder to find good posts, because you have to look at and decide to skip over your posts, and that uses up valuable eyeball time and attention span. You did this so you could profit, and you couldn't care less if what you wrote made any sense, much less contributed anything useful (which it absolutely didn't).tell me if he doesnt have any alt acconts here?
You can keep bitching about your feedback, but it's clear you don't--and will never--agree with my arguments. I would suggest, however, that you take a look at how much support you're getting here and maybe consider whether the community agrees with my assessment of you. It's hard to take a honest and critical look at yourself, but sometimes it can be therapeutic.
What do you expect to this man? he aint got balls to admit that he doesnt deserved to be DT member,i got red trust for having alt accounts which participated different bounties,he is doing things the way he wants.I hope this idiot is going to be removed in the DT members as soon as possible as he is going to be like LAUDA,having their own rules,
tell me if he doesnt have any alt acconts here?
tell me if he doesnt have any alt acconts here?
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snip.Edit: I'm taking pity on you and removing my feedback, but you have to realize what the rule is about quoting posts and not to be sloppy. Part of me thinks you made an honest mistake because of the way you prefaced your 'plagiarism'.
That is why after 110 days I wrote another post in my reputation thread and was tagged for "winning" by The Pharmacist.
No. It's "whining". You really have a problem with quoting things.I just try to explain what happened. If you know any different and better way to do it please tell me and I will do it.
Edit: I'm taking pity on you and removing my feedback, but you have to realize what the rule is about quoting posts and not to be sloppy. Part of me thinks you made an honest mistake because of the way you prefaced your 'plagiarism'.
... "winning" ...
No. It's "whining". You really have a problem with quoting things.Could you please be so kind and comment on the conclusions drawn by me and answer the questions asked in this post?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.35156504
That is why after 110 days I wrote another post in my reputation thread and was tagged for "winning" by The Pharmacist.
No. It's "whining". You really have a problem with quoting things. @OP, could you start reporting garbage posts in Bitcoin discussion? start it now and report at least 200 garbage posts accurately. help them first to show that you deserve to be helped by them.
I already did and wrote about this when 90 days passed from red trust in PM to Hillariousandco, asking him to reconsider his decision and answer to my post. But I never got any message or reply to my thread.
That is why after 100 days I wrote another post in my reputation thread and was tagged for "whining" by The Pharmacist.
I don't think this is winning. I just try to explain myself. I have done all I can to avoid public debate. I wrote about this in my first post and few others. But when there is no reaction at all I post in my thread like any other forum user with negative reputation thread. I haven't seen anybody tagged for this.
I haven't found 100 spammers but I found 14 with 85% accuracy. Not only spammers but plagiarism, merit abuse, account farming, etc. All this in 2 months. I thought maybe this would be helpful to recover my trust. I'll search further maybe one day I find 100 abusers.
Thank you for advice.
UPDATE 29.04.2018
I was able in 2 days to find 270 abusers with an accuracy of 99%. I found all kind of forum rules abuse: spam, scam, spam bots, account farming, merit trading, off topic, ref. links, wrong forum section, etc.
Thanks one more time Digaran for this advise!!!
I'm giving you negative trust because you copy-pasted content. This is and should be bannable.
There are no rules about merit trading though a lot of people do find it unacceptable. However, that's now what I'm here to discuss. If you want to talk about refuting the plagiarized post then you can do so.
If you want to justify the post while at the same time reasoning why you would delete it, that would be well-appreciated.
There are no rules about merit trading though a lot of people do find it unacceptable. However, that's now what I'm here to discuss. If you want to talk about refuting the plagiarized post then you can do so.
If you want to justify the post while at the same time reasoning why you would delete it, that would be well-appreciated.
I used quotation in begin when I created my post but when started to delete unneeded text inside quotes my post looks bad and my answer was inside the quotation. I didn't know what to do and after few attempts added "when in hurry" and told in my original post that "this answer is to find few posts above mine". I thought it would be enough because these answers were two or three posts before mine but on sooner page. Anyways, after users remind me that this could be forum rules abuse (next post after mine), after a discussion about what happened, I apologized and added an announcement in my post that I used content from other users and put their usernames. I did it few minutes after my original post and a few hours later I got red trust for "copy content from other users without proper attribution".
Finally, I deleted this post after few weeks because I thought this help to remove red trust. Luckily members quoted me few times during discussion and all is to find using links I'll provide or link which Hilariousandco refers to and posts after that. We have a discussion about this situation just after it happened and everything, what I'm now repeating here is true and to find in this posts.
Today, I know all about deleting posts, changing quote size, use strings or dots and snips but sooner, I didn't know too much about this because always quoted all text without deleting anything. This is easy to check, just look at my previous posts, before red trust.
I haven't plagiarized anybody (I think). I didn't do it on purpose only made a mistake by quotation and 5 minutes later fixed it.
Here links to posts where you can see that I have added an announcement to my post before Hilariousandco tagged me.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.29079837 - random user post which proves that this issue was resolved
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.29075734 - my original post
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.29076243 - My last post where I am talking about an added announcement.
For better overview just read 20 posts after my with missing quote. You will have clear few of what happened.
If you want to know the story with my avatar and merits. Here is my explanation.
Avatar was copied from a legendary member Jeremycoin. He was very active in merits thread, where Hillariousandco tagged me. I thought this is a great way to let people know about merits and that I'll reward them for quality content. If a legendary member uses an avatar like this, I was sure this isn't a rules violation, especially together with my merit policy. The merit system was introduced few days sooner and there wasn't clear rules or restrictions. Jeremycoin was using this avatar a few days longer, with no merits policy at all, even after I pointed this out in my thread and in the PM to Hilariousandco. I don't see red trust given to him.
"Merits 4 smerits" says avatar but my merits policy in a signature and the private text says: "only for high-quality content, no merits in return, spam is not good". If avatar would be bigger I'll put all text inside but was too small and that's why I added a merits policy which I see in few high-rank users profiles. I wore this merit policy for 2 months.
Thank you Actmyname for the opportunity to defend and that you want to hear it.
@OP, could you start reporting garbage posts in Bitcoin discussion? start it now and report at least 200 garbage posts accurately. help them first to show that you deserve to be helped by them.
I'm giving you negative trust because you copy-pasted content. This is and should be bannable.
There are no rules about merit trading though a lot of people do find it unacceptable. However, that's now what I'm here to discuss. If you want to talk about refuting the plagiarized post then you can do so.
If you want to justify the post while at the same time reasoning why you would delete it, that would be well-appreciated.
There are no rules about merit trading though a lot of people do find it unacceptable. However, that's now what I'm here to discuss. If you want to talk about refuting the plagiarized post then you can do so.
If you want to justify the post while at the same time reasoning why you would delete it, that would be well-appreciated.
I just snipped this quote because like I said before I don't expect that anybody will support me. I'm prepared to hear more insults and epithets because that's how some high-rank members behave in this forum.
Like I said 100 times before I never traded merits and that was not my intention. That is why I try to defend myself here. But this is impossible to win because I don't have an army of alts to vouch for me.
I see from your post that you didn't even bother to read this thread.
That isn't the first time that DT members are wrong. Yesterday I posted in a thread to support member painted red who tried to defend himself and just like in this reputation thread, members insulted him, called names, etc. but finally he won his trust back. Nobody said sorry to him. From the very beginning, I'm polite and friendly in my topics. Never insulted anybody so stop with calling names.
Funny that you will be tagged for so-called by some high-rank members "whining". Which is nothing more as an attempt to defend yourself or explain the situation. They don't answer for months and if you post your story they will tell that you are "childish and whining". If my questions were answered I would stop this thread immediately.
I haven't seen whining in forum rules, so why red trust?
Thank you for sharing your point of view.
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I logged today to check what's new on BTT to find that I have even more negative trust.
I see that The Pharmacist tagged me for: "This user is childish and dishonest, as evidenced by his written thoughts on merit and his posts whining about negative feedback left by hilarious. Not to be trusted on bitcointalk". Which is totally not true and fabricated.
I see that The Pharmacist tagged me for: "This user is childish and dishonest, as evidenced by his written thoughts on merit and his posts whining about negative feedback left by hilarious. Not to be trusted on bitcointalk". Which is totally not true and fabricated.
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Funny since I'm a very trustworthy person and I thought that negative trust is for scammers and thieves.
Not being a thief does not mean that you are "trustworthy". 
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Only one post, one mistake and my senior member account, I've worked for so long and hard, now is totally worthless and pointless to continue. I've never stolen, cheated or did something bad in my entire life but here I am untrusted, childish, dishonest, shitposter and should be banned.
If you are a cry-baby who cant control their tears on getting negged on a forum, you need a "human" brain implanted in your empty cranial cavity from the nearest hospital.Quote
Why? Because I dare to defend myself?
One post I was not concentrating on and a silly mistake with avatar despite I have added a merit rule to my signature and never traded or got one merit in exchange from somebody. Who never makes mistakes?
Because you are nagging people thinking of your benefits only. Merit trading is not allowed.One post I was not concentrating on and a silly mistake with avatar despite I have added a merit rule to my signature and never traded or got one merit in exchange from somebody. Who never makes mistakes?
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The Pharmacist act like all I do is spamming, when I actually make good quality posts and I got even few merits lately despite my red trust. Few high-rank members evaluated my posts and they told me that I am writing a good quality content and advised me to open more topics to get merits faster. Nobody told me that I am a spammer or shitposter but now I am tagged for shitposting. Not true, just not true.
Spamming has nothing to do with trading merits. Snipping the rest of the post because its irrelevant. Go have a breath of fresh air from outside which you have been missing for "5 years" while on this forum. It will help you clear your mind.
I find OP to be extremely shady, untrustworthy, immature, and to top it all off, he's a shitposter. I've added trust accordingly.
Because he's guilty of what hilariousandco left him feedback for, and obviously so, his continued whining is indicative that he isn't honest and won't learn from "mistakes". He should be banned. Negative feedback only is a gift horse.
Because he's guilty of what hilariousandco left him feedback for, and obviously so, his continued whining is indicative that he isn't honest and won't learn from "mistakes". He should be banned. Negative feedback only is a gift horse.
I logged today to check what's new on BTT to find that I have even more negative trust.
I see that The Pharmacist tagged me for: "This user is childish and dishonest, as evidenced by his written thoughts on merit and his posts whining about negative feedback left by hilarious. Not to be trusted on bitcointalk". Which is totally not true.
Funny since I'm a very trustworthy person and I thought that negative trust is for scammers and thieves.
I found nothing in forum rules about negative trust for "whining" and I posted my thread because Hillariousandco never responded to my messages. Finally, he posted in my thread after months of waiting and I replied to defend myself. Posted my proofs because Hillariousandco said that I added an announcement after he tagged me and that isn't true. I added an announcement few minutes after my original post, stated that part of the content isn't properly quoted and added usernames of members involved.
After that, I haven't heard anything from Hillariousandco for 40 days and still, until today there is no response. I don't see anything inappropriate in my actions. I think if somebody gives you negative trust and you show evidence of your innocence or try to explain the matter, he should answer it. Especially when I waited calmly for so long. For me, it's hiding the head in the sand and not taking responsibility for actions. You can't demand that I'll not defend myself. For sure this isn't "whining" only normal reaction to surprising accusations.
My thread is open why The Pharmacist didn't share his opinion about my behavior here to give me some chance to change? Why red paint? I already been punished once!!! Like I said before in my posts when I was defending The Pharmacist on the forum that I like to read his point of view because sometimes his words influenced and were able to change my point of view. Why not this time?
Only one post, one mistake and my senior member account, I worked for so long and hard, now is totally worthless and pointless to continue. I've never stolen, cheated or did something bad in my entire life but here I'm "untrusted, childish, dishonest, shitposter and should be banned".
Why? Because I dare to defend myself?
One post I wasn't concentrating on and a silly mistake with avatar despite I added a merit policy to my signature and never traded or got one merit in exchange from somebody. Who never makes mistakes?
The Pharmacist said that I'm shitposter and spammer when I actually make good quality posts and got even few merits lately despite my red trust. Few high-rank members evaluated my posts and they told me that I'm writing a good quality content and advised me to open more topics to get merits faster. Nobody told me that I'm a spammer or shitposter before because this isn't true, just not true.
In this post, member shares his opinion about my posts.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.34770397
...The Pharmacist is a serious and honest member. I think he will take your case into consideration if you provide hard proofs...
In this post below, shared my story and The Pharmacist didn't paint me red back then because I was defending him in a topic: "Trust Spammer and Abuser "The Pharmist" Back on business". After few days he just forgets about this and tagged me, I think.
Why haven't you tagged me back then The Pharmacist? You answered to this post and not stated a word that I'm "whining, childish, dishonest, not to be trusted or shitposter". Why I can't be trusted now? What changed?
This is a long post but I want you to see these Bitcointalk members.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.34782558
Quote from: wwzsocki
I see your answer BTCforJoe and I can't stop myself to share a different story with you.
Mistakes happen on this forum and not all DT trust members are so polite and willing to discuss their choices.
I was tagged by Hillariousandco more as 100 days ago for "Trading merit with those who leave him points as advertised via his avatar. Also copied content without proper attribution". My case is not resolved until today and Hillariousandco doesn't answer to my innocents' proofs from one month in my negative trust thread. Of course, I haven't traded or given in exchange even one merit and I have added an announcement to my post about missing quotation before Hillariousandco tagged me not after as he says.
As you see BTCforJoe you were lucky to be tagged by another member because I have written like you 4 PM's in 2 weeks to Hillariousandco. I was always very polite using words thank you, please, sorry and never got any reply. After that, I opened my reputation thread to prove that I am innocent.
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...My situation is similar. I was tagged for an avatar I have copied from legendary member Jeremycoin and he was not tagged red despite I have written about this to Hillariousandco next day after it happened and I have posted about this in my reputation thread. This member used this avatar for a few days more and like I said before nobody tagged him. When I asked about this everybody seems to not see this question or just ignore it.
Even added a merit policy (Merits only for quality content, no merits in exchange, spam is not good) to my signature and avatar and worn it for about 2 months. Nothing helps I am still tagged. If this was such a crime why to punish only me?
I am on this forum 5 years frequently. Never rushed to achieve higher rank, never spammed (my first posts are not so good but I learned how to post quality content), never did anything wrong, never insult anybody or used offensive language (I know this is not in forum rules and is allowed but I'm proud of this), never got warning, etc.
I don't think I'm guilty. I don't fill guilty and I can do nothing. This is killing me every day because in my reputation thread high-rank users advised me: "you have to move on", "don't worry red trust is not the end of the world", "nobody looks on red trust". This all is not true. I was rejected several times for various projects and promotions on the forum because of red trust. I was involved in a discussion and member told me: " do something with your red trust first and then come back to talk here". It was humiliating for me and I have to admit that I'm ashamed when I post. I try to even avoid these subforums where you can see trust because I noticed that people do not treat you seriously with a red trust and you can forget about merits completely.
I have to add that I have seen The Pharmacist around the forum and I think that he is an asset with no doubt. Didn't know about his problems and that he is not in DT anymore. I think his posts are very valuable and high quality. I like to read his point of few because sometimes his words influenced the change of viewpoint by me. From what I saw lately, his judgments were accurate, I agree with them.
Answer from The Pharmacist:Mistakes happen on this forum and not all DT trust members are so polite and willing to discuss their choices.
I was tagged by Hillariousandco more as 100 days ago for "Trading merit with those who leave him points as advertised via his avatar. Also copied content without proper attribution". My case is not resolved until today and Hillariousandco doesn't answer to my innocents' proofs from one month in my negative trust thread. Of course, I haven't traded or given in exchange even one merit and I have added an announcement to my post about missing quotation before Hillariousandco tagged me not after as he says.
As you see BTCforJoe you were lucky to be tagged by another member because I have written like you 4 PM's in 2 weeks to Hillariousandco. I was always very polite using words thank you, please, sorry and never got any reply. After that, I opened my reputation thread to prove that I am innocent.
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...My situation is similar. I was tagged for an avatar I have copied from legendary member Jeremycoin and he was not tagged red despite I have written about this to Hillariousandco next day after it happened and I have posted about this in my reputation thread. This member used this avatar for a few days more and like I said before nobody tagged him. When I asked about this everybody seems to not see this question or just ignore it.
Even added a merit policy (Merits only for quality content, no merits in exchange, spam is not good) to my signature and avatar and worn it for about 2 months. Nothing helps I am still tagged. If this was such a crime why to punish only me?
I am on this forum 5 years frequently. Never rushed to achieve higher rank, never spammed (my first posts are not so good but I learned how to post quality content), never did anything wrong, never insult anybody or used offensive language (I know this is not in forum rules and is allowed but I'm proud of this), never got warning, etc.
I don't think I'm guilty. I don't fill guilty and I can do nothing. This is killing me every day because in my reputation thread high-rank users advised me: "you have to move on", "don't worry red trust is not the end of the world", "nobody looks on red trust". This all is not true. I was rejected several times for various projects and promotions on the forum because of red trust. I was involved in a discussion and member told me: " do something with your red trust first and then come back to talk here". It was humiliating for me and I have to admit that I'm ashamed when I post. I try to even avoid these subforums where you can see trust because I noticed that people do not treat you seriously with a red trust and you can forget about merits completely.
I have to add that I have seen The Pharmacist around the forum and I think that he is an asset with no doubt. Didn't know about his problems and that he is not in DT anymore. I think his posts are very valuable and high quality. I like to read his point of few because sometimes his words influenced the change of viewpoint by me. From what I saw lately, his judgments were accurate, I agree with them.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.34783868
Quote from: wwzsocki on April 15, 2018, 07:52:04 PM
"....Didn't know about his problems and that he is not in DT anymore...."
The Pharmacist:
"I didn't know that either. Wouldn't surprise me, though. The politics on bitcointalk are crazy, but I'd be interested to know who excluded me".
In trust comments, The Pharmacist left this: "...as evidenced by his written thoughts on merit and his posts whining about negative feedback left by hilarious...".I can't share my thoughts on merits because I can be and literally am tagged for this, despite I changed my opinion about merits and posted in favor of system lately.
The Pharmacist can say "...The politics on bitcointalk are crazy..." and this is ok? I can't share my thoughts but when DT member shares his negative thoughts about Bitcointalk everything is ok. These written thoughts aren't an evidence? No red trust for this?
Good luck to you all and stay away from d2 members they will nail you for whatever reason they want because someone decided to give them that power. One person can mess your entire career here.
I find OP to be extremely shady, untrustworthy, immature, and to top it all off, he's a shitposter. I've added trust accordingly.
Because he's guilty of what hilariousandco left him feedback for, and obviously so, his continued whining is indicative that he isn't honest and won't learn from "mistakes". He should be banned. Negative feedback only is a gift horse.
Because he's guilty of what hilariousandco left him feedback for, and obviously so, his continued whining is indicative that he isn't honest and won't learn from "mistakes". He should be banned. Negative feedback only is a gift horse.
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I'm not sure how that could be misinterpreted. It was literally an advert to try trade merits. Stop trying to squirm out of taking responsibility for what you were attempting to do which was to exchange merits. And then there's the copy and pasting which you admitted to and you adding attribution once caught doesn't magically make it ok. Hilariousandco I have added an announcement about missed quotation before you tagged me, not after as you say.
This is very easy to prove and check. Just look at this thread you refer to. There are time stamps by each post and like I said hundred times before missed quotation was resolved just after it happened. User reminds me of that in next post (after mine without quote) and we have a conversation about missed quotation few next posts long. Finally, I have apologized and added an announcement in my post that I used other users content and pasted their usernames before you tagged me.
Here links to posts where you can see that I have added an announcement to my post before Hilariousandco tagged me.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.29079837 - post about added announcement 15 minutes after the original post
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.29076243 - random user post which proves that this issue was resolved
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.29075734 - my original post
I have said this before but I will repeat to defend myself.
I used quotation in begin but when started to delete unneeded text my post looks bad and there where no way to see my answer outside quotation. That is why, I added "when in hurry" and told in my original post that this, not quoted text is to find few answers above mine. I thought it will be enough. Anyways, after users remind me that this could be forum rules abuse, I apologized and added an announcement in my post that I used content from other users and put their usernames. I have done that few minutes after my original post and a few hours later I got red trust for "copy content from other users without proper attribution".
Finally, I have deleted this post but members quoted me few times during discussion and all is to find using links above or link Hilariousandco refer to and posts after that. We have the discussion about this situation just after this happened and everything, I am now repeating here is true and to find in this posts. Today, I know all about deleting posts, changing quote size, use strings or dots but sooner, I didn't know too much about this because always quoted hall text without deleting anything. This is easy to check, just look at my previous posts. I didn't know that this lack of knowledge will bring me red trust one day.
I haven't plagiarized anybody just made a mistake by quotation and 5 minutes later fixed it.
Avatar was copied from a legendary member Jeremycoin. He was very active in merits thread, where you tagged me. I thought this is a great way to let people know about merits and that I will reward them for quality content. If a legendary member uses an avatar like this, I was sure this is no rules violation, especially together with my merit policy. The merit system was introduced few days sooner and there was no clear rules or restrictions. Jeremycoin was using this avatar a few days more, with no merits policy at all, even after I pointed this out in my thread and in the PM to Hilariousandco. I don't see red trust given to him.
"Merits 4 smerits" says avatar but my merits policy says: only for high-quality content, no merits in return. If avatar would be bigger I will put all text inside him but was too small and that is why I have added a merits policy which I have seen in few high-rank users profiles.
Would you be so kind Hilariousandco and answer to this post this is already the 3rd month passed away. 40 days from last answer in this thread..
I was few times rejected and restricted from activities on the forum because of this negative trust, especially missed quotation was the main reason.
I will be glad to hear your opinions Bitcointalk members.
This was not what I meant and even if I made a mistake I don't deserve red trust only a warning.
No man, you got it all wrong. Negative trust is not for you, it is warning to other forum members that you are doing something shady.
Avatar was online for few hours. I have copied from legendary member Jeremycoin. He was using it until yesterday. No red trust is given to him even after I have pointed this out.
So you are guilty of what Hilariousandco tagged you for. Who did Jeremycoin copy the avatar from? I didn't get to see it.
It's not the end of the world. You can still make a good reputation here for yourself and eventually someone will trust you into a signature campaign.
Why not send Hilariousandco a PM in a year or so? He might reconsider.
Hi Vod,
Thanks for another comment in my thread.
I am not guilty and I don't know why Hilariousandco interpreted my avatar as an advert to trade merits.
Avatar says I will give "merits 4 smerits".
I'm not sure how that could be misinterpreted. It was literally an advert to try trade merits. Stop trying to squirm out of taking responsibility for what you were attempting to do which was to exchange merits. And then there's the copy and pasting which you admitted to and you adding attribution once caught doesn't magically make it ok.
Once again I haven't traded merits or wanted to give in exchange. Missed quotation issue was resolved before Hilariousandco tagged me.[/b]
The second part of your trust states " Also copied content without proper attribution." which you admit to doing. :/
Oh well, you can fight with him or you can move on - your choice.
Avatar was online for few hours. I have copied from legendary member Jeremycoin. He was using it until yesterday. No red trust is given to him even after I have pointed this out.
So you are guilty of what Hilariousandco tagged you for. Who did Jeremycoin copy the avatar from? I didn't get to see it.
It's not the end of the world. You can still make a good reputation here for yourself and eventually someone will trust you into a signature campaign.
Why not send Hilariousandco a PM in a year or so? He might reconsider.
Hi Vod,
Thanks for another comment in my thread.
I am not guilty and I don't know why Hilariousandco interpreted my avatar as an advert to trade merits. This was not what I meant and even if I made a mistake I don't deserve red trust only a warning.
Remember Vod that merits were only a few days old and there were no clear rules how to use them. That is why I was in merits thread to learn about them and where I saw Jermycoin avatar. I thought that this will be a great way to use my avatar to let people know that I will reward them for quality posts. Avatar was too small to put inside him my merit policy that is why I have added such a policy to my personal text and signature next day. I think Jermycoin means this same even without merit policy.
I don't know why Hilariousandco interpreted this differently as an advert for merit trading. Giving me no chance to explain myself with a warning only tagged me with red trust despite 5 and half years of my contribution to Bitcointalk forum without one problem. I think I deserved a second chance in such a situation.
Once again I haven't traded merits or wanted to give in exchange. Missed quotation issue was resolved before Hilariousandco tagged me.
Avatar was online for few hours. I have copied from legendary member Jeremycoin. He was using it until yesterday. No red trust is given to him even after I have pointed this out.
So you are guilty of what Hilariousandco tagged you for. Who did Jeremycoin copy the avatar from? I didn't get to see it.
It's not the end of the world. You can still make a good reputation here for yourself and eventually someone will trust you into a signature campaign.
Why not send Hilariousandco a PM in a year or so? He might reconsider.
More than a month passed and I still have red trust despite all I have done to explain myself.
Hilariousandco answered in my thread but his answer looks like he even doesn't bother to read thru this topic and my countless explanations.
From the beginning, I am very polite and calm. But inside I have really burning desire to shout: "What the F... is wrong with this forum?".
Like I said before: I have never traded merits or wanted too, missed quotation problem was resolved before Hilariousandco tagged me.
Hilariousandco answered in my thread but his answer looks like he even doesn't bother to read thru this topic and my countless explanations.
From the beginning, I am very polite and calm. But inside I have really burning desire to shout: "What the F... is wrong with this forum?".
Like I said before: I have never traded merits or wanted too, missed quotation problem was resolved before Hilariousandco tagged me.
This is a great idea and should be implemented in BTT because works perfectly against reputation system abuse.
Where's the abuse? You were advertising/soliciting to trade merit via your avatar and you plagiarised other people's posts. You're lucky you're not permabanned.
First. Thank you that you answered my thread and sorry that I bothered you with 6 messages in 5 days in a row.
Avatar together with my merits policy is no rules violation I think and I never wanted or traded them. "I will give Merit 4 Merits only for quality content. Spam is not good". Merits are something new and time is needed to learn about this system. That is why I was in a thread about merits, talked about the system when you tagged me.
This could be plagiarism if I have used somebody content and not quoted or stated in my post that I did it but I have added such an announcement in my post just after user reminds of a missed quote in next post after mine. We have a long discussion about this situation in posts after referred one. From this discussion, you can clearly see that this was resolved just after it happens and nobody was harmed. I said thank you, apologized and added announcement that I used content from other users and exactly from who.
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This is a great idea and should be implemented in BTT because works perfectly against reputation system abuse.
Where's the abuse? You were advertising/soliciting to trade merit via your avatar and you plagiarised other people's posts. You're lucky you're not permabanned.
As I think you should keep doing constructive post in the forums and helps other.. Just give your best for the forum. And after one month waiting you can request one more time to hilariousandco to reconsider on your situation, maybe then he can do something for you. Only two things you can do first patience and keep doing quality post for the forum..
I wish you can find your trust... Best of luck....
I wish you can find your trust... Best of luck....
Thank you for this words. You are one of very few who answered in my thread and try to help and not to judge. I really appreciate this. Of course, I have to move forward and I will do my best for the forum as always.
I am a user of another cryptocurrencies forum Altcoinstalks.com. When this all started I check there how they resolve such problems. They have karma points which are like reputation on BTT and if somebody gets tagged he can ask a special judge in a special thread to reconsider his case. The verdict is binding and final. Judge is not involved in karma issuing and is impartial and honest.
This is a great idea and should be implemented in BTT because works perfectly against reputation system abuse.
As I think you should keep doing constructive post in the forums and helps other.. Just give your best for the forum. And after one month waiting you can request one more time to hilariousandco to reconsider on your situation, maybe then he can do something for you. Only two things you can do first patience and keep doing quality post for the forum..
I wish you can find your trust... Best of luck....
I wish you can find your trust... Best of luck....
Users should know what to do next after receiving negative trust. This will save a lot of confusion and time.
Useless. Users don't even bother reading the rules to avoid getting negative trust. What makes you think they'll read the rules after they get it?
Believe me, they will read it, especially after negative trust. Nobody read rules when signing up or when everything is ok. People read rules and search for help when in trouble.
I read the rules when I signed up. I specifically did not post or even visit several boards of this forum before I was competent enough to comment there or have enough wits to discuss. There are still boards in this forum where I dont tread on simply because Im not confident to post there or dont have enough knowledge to post.
We say patience is a virtue. Lacking patience will only make the situation harder for you. But like most humans who dont have patience you can try mkaing an new account and continue everything like it never happened. But dont worry if you try to abuse any campaigns we will find you.
What can I do more to recover my trust?
After at least a couple months have passed.....
I hope met couple months you mean two
Users should know what to do next after receiving negative trust. This will save a lot of confusion and time.
Useless. Users don't even bother reading the rules to avoid getting negative trust. What makes you think they'll read the rules after they get it?
Believe me, they will read it, especially after negative trust. Nobody read rules when signing up or when everything is ok. People read rules and search for help when in trouble.
Users should know what to do next after receiving negative trust. This will save a lot of confusion and time.
Useless. Users don't even bother reading the rules to avoid getting negative trust. What makes you think they'll read the rules after they get it?
I have not scammed anybody or did something similar. Why can I not be trusted? Why trade with extreme caution?
*You can't be trusted by Hilariousandco and everybody who follows his trust list - FTFY (not exactly but that's how it works ,you're free to trade with people using an escrow anyway)What can I do more to recover my trust?
1.Get hilariousandco removed from the trust-list by requesting to the person that added them to the list.2.Like said over 100 times ,wait for the day hilariousandco responds.
Pretty sure you don't want to go with the 1st option and second options just isn't working out for you.
Thank you for this information I didn't know about option 1. I don't think I will be ever capable to do this and just don't want to. I believe that everybody can adjust their judgments if there are enough reasons for this.
The second option will be much easier to follow if I know how long I have to wait.
There is a legendary user Actmyname and he fights spam and bad behavior like Hilariuosandco on the forum. I like his profile page where you can read: "IF YOU HAVE RED TRUST: DO NOT MESSAGE ME IMMEDIATELY. WAIT AT LEAST 72 HOURS OR THE PM WILL BE IGNORED." If a statement like this is added to Hilariousandco profile I will never bother him and wait calmly.
Users should know what to do next after receiving negative trust. This will save a lot of confusion and time.
What can I do more to recover my trust?
First, it is very unlikely your negative trust will be removed now. Your actions caused you to get negative trust, and your words say you won't do it again.
Actions speak louder than words!
What you need to do is ignore the trust, and continue in the forum as a helpful contributing member. You may not be able to join a signature campaign, but that doesn't stop you from discussing and contributing.
After at least a couple months have passed, try PMing Hilariousandco and asking him for a second chance.
He didn't become a senior mod on this forum by being unreasonable. Good luck!
Once again thank you for your answers I really appreciate it.
I will try to be active as before but believe me I am filling like a criminal now.
I'm disappointed that other user used this avatar few days longer and nobody tagged him even after I have pointed this out in PM and this thread. I thought we have the same rules for everyone here on Bitcointalk.
Still, I think that warning will be enough in mine case. Especially when nobody was harmed. I don't want to teach high-rank members or moderators but I have to say that they should take into consideration many factors before issuing negative trust.
This is easy to destroy an account for which I have worked for five years with no problems or warnings.
I have not scammed anybody or did something similar. Why can I not be trusted? Why trade with extreme caution?
*You can't be trusted by Hilariousandco and everybody who follows his trust list - FTFY (not exactly but that's how it works ,you're free to trade with people using an escrow anyway)What can I do more to recover my trust?
1.Get hilariousandco removed from the trust-list by requesting to the person that added them to the list.2.Like said over 100 times ,wait for the day hilariousandco responds.
Pretty sure you don't want to go with the 1st option and second options just isn't working out for you.
What can I do more to recover my trust?
First, it is very unlikely your negative trust will be removed now. Your actions caused you to get negative trust, and your words say you won't do it again.
Actions speak louder than words!
What you need to do is ignore the trust, and continue in the forum as a helpful contributing member. You may not be able to join a signature campaign, but that doesn't stop you from discussing and contributing.
After at least a couple months have passed, try PMing Hilariousandco and asking him for a second chance.
He didn't become a senior mod on this forum by being unreasonable. Good luck!
Avatar to which Hilariousandco refers was copied from Legendary member and he was using him for few days longer even if I have pointed this out.
So you admit you were asking for merit in your avatar description? Then why are you complaining?
Be happy you didn't get tagged for copy and pasting another user's work. :/
Thank you Vod for your answer. From other threads, I see that you are an honest and impartial person.
Thread maybe looks like complaining but this was never my intention. I only wanted to explain what happened and ask what next because I was left with no answer at all.
I was tagged for: "Trading merit with those who leave him points as advertised via his avatar. Also copied content without proper attribution.
I have never traded merits and this was not my intention, "proper attribution" was resolved just after it happened. I even didn't know that new avatar is visible because I had problems with download. Please read posts above where I explained this.
We where discussing merits and I copied some text. User reminds me in next post that this is plagiarism and rule violation. So I apologized, said thanks and added announcement. Please read 5 posts before and after referred one. You will see what happened and how was resolved. If I would do nothing after user reminds me of my mistake and after some time I was tagged then I would say nothing.
I have added an announcement in my post (like I said before just after this happened). Merits policy in my personal text and signature after I was tagged. To recover my trust back to zero I have removed avatar and post.
I have not scammed anybody or did something similar. Why can I not be trusted? Why trade with extreme caution?
What can I do more to recover my trust?
Avatar to which Hilariousandco refers was copied from Legendary member and he was using him for few days longer even if I have pointed this out.
So you admit you were asking for merit in your avatar description? Then why are you complaining?
Be happy you didn't get tagged for copy and pasting another user's work. :/
I want to update that there is still no answer to my PM from Hilariousandco and as you see he didn't respond here as well.
I don't understand this at all. If a moderator gives negative trust all I can do is to contact him to defend myself or open a thread like this if there is no response.
Anyways my case is not resolved and I am filling really bad right now. I am on Bitcointalk for 5 years using only one account because in my stupidy I have never opened an alt account because I was hoping that something like this never happens to me. I specifically avoided quarrels or insults when posting (and sometimes I had a terrible desire for it) that someone from vengeance would not lower my reputation.
I have proved in above posts that I have never traded merits and that was never my intention. Avatar to which Hilariousandco refers was copied from Legendary member and he was using him for few days longer even if I have pointed this out. Nobody gives him red trust for that. So there are some members with privileges here. Merits are something new and there should be warnings issued especially in beginning. Like you see missed quotation was resolved just after this happens so this accusation is just pointless. If you look into my older posts you will see that I have no problem with quoting people. I have more posts with quotation than without.
I want to ask what missed quote has to do with my trust? I can't be trusted because of that? Who have I scammed?
I don't know what I can do more. Like I said before there should be a JUDGE who will take a second look in cases like this.
Hilariuosandco is that really so hard to answer my PM's or here in this thread?
I don't understand this at all. If a moderator gives negative trust all I can do is to contact him to defend myself or open a thread like this if there is no response.
Anyways my case is not resolved and I am filling really bad right now. I am on Bitcointalk for 5 years using only one account because in my stupidy I have never opened an alt account because I was hoping that something like this never happens to me. I specifically avoided quarrels or insults when posting (and sometimes I had a terrible desire for it) that someone from vengeance would not lower my reputation.
I have proved in above posts that I have never traded merits and that was never my intention. Avatar to which Hilariousandco refers was copied from Legendary member and he was using him for few days longer even if I have pointed this out. Nobody gives him red trust for that. So there are some members with privileges here. Merits are something new and there should be warnings issued especially in beginning. Like you see missed quotation was resolved just after this happens so this accusation is just pointless. If you look into my older posts you will see that I have no problem with quoting people. I have more posts with quotation than without.
I want to ask what missed quote has to do with my trust? I can't be trusted because of that? Who have I scammed?
I don't know what I can do more. Like I said before there should be a JUDGE who will take a second look in cases like this.
Hilariuosandco is that really so hard to answer my PM's or here in this thread?
I even asked an off-topic question in a thread where Hilariousandco was active (I apologized of course and said that will be deleted), how long is an average wait time for an answer, but he never answered and deleted post immediately.
So let me get this right,after you sent several PMs to the user, and didn't get an answer, you decided to follow them around the forum, spamming your questions in threads they post in?
And at no point did you realize that your actions were only going to make things worse?
Patience is a virtue.
You are right that patience is a virtue and I should wait more time. I am happy to see this answers because when I was searching for help in old threads some high-rank users advised sending PM's because sooner messages could be not read and deleted because of "pletoria" (quote) of things. Of course, my PM's where always in a very polite tone and with a subject that says everything. It was obvious about what is my message just after reading the topic. I did it on purpose to save Hilariousandco time.
Before I have asked an off-topic question I apologized and said that I will delete this post immediately. Now I know this is not best behavior but when you are confused and there are more questions than answers you can make a mistake, especially under pressure.
There is a legendary user Actmyname I found today after reading a post about negative trust. He fights spam and bad behavior like Hilariuosandco on the forum. I like his profile page where you can read: "IF YOU HAVE RED TRUST: DO NOT MESSAGE ME IMMEDIATELY. WAIT AT LEAST 72 HOURS OR THE PM WILL BE IGNORED." If a statement like this is added to Hilariousandco profile I will never bother him and wait calmly. Users should know what they can do next after receiving negative trust. This will save a lot of confusion and time.
I only say that I never traded merits with nobody and this was never my intention. Added an announcement in post that I missed quotation and from who, just after this happened. Read few next posts after referred one. Avatar was online for few hours. I have copied from legendary member Jeremycoin. He was using it until yesterday. No red trust is given to him even after I have pointed this out.
What did the avatar say?
Also, your post is a bit confusing. You seem to realize you did something wrong because you turned another member in. So why the complaint?
Avatar says I will give "merits 4 smerits". Avatar is too small to add that I will do that only for quality content. That is why I have added later merits policy like other users. I have to add that I saw this avatar in Legendary member profile https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jeremycoin-397611 that 's why I have copied it. Later I have pointed this out to Hilariousandco in my PM. I have seen this user used this avatar 3 days longer and there is no red trust given to him. There was more confusion with this avatar because I have problems to download him. Even if I have downloaded and seen new avatar on download page after refresh I have seen my old Envion avatar or no avatar at all in my account summary. I tried few times and finally left this because I had to go to work. Next day after login I saw negative trust and new avatar. I had such a problem with avatar before. There are proofs in my old posts because I was looking for help with this issue and talked with users about it. I can dig them out if needed.
I have used parts of posts from 2 users to help answer another user question without proper quotation. I have quoted them at the start (I think everybody uses quote because is fast and easier as copy and pasting) but after I deleted some parts, post was not readable and looks bad with my answer between quotations. So I did it without quotation and added that this answer is to find few posts above mine. Anyways, user reminds me that this is rules violation (in next post after mine) so I said "thank you for reminding me" apologized and added announcement ("To provide this answer I used content from other users ( added their usernames ) without proper quotation") into my post. Here is a link to post where you can clearly see that missed quotation issue was resolved just after it happens. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.29079837 . So why I got red trust for a mistake which was already resolved. This happened two hours before I have changed avatar. Later I deleted this post if this violates rules.
I only say that I never traded merits with nobody and this was never my intention. Added an announcement in post that I missed quotation and from who, just after this happened. Read few next posts after referred one. Avatar was online for few hours. I have copied from legendary member Jeremycoin. He was using it until yesterday. No red trust is given to him even after I have pointed this out.
What did the avatar say?
Also, your post is a bit confusing. You seem to realize you did something wrong because you turned another member in. So why the complaint?
I even asked an off-topic question in a thread where Hilariousandco was active (I apologized of course and said that will be deleted), how long is an average wait time for an answer, but he never answered and deleted post immediately.
So let me get this right,after you sent several PMs to the user, and didn't get an answer, you decided to follow them around the forum, spamming your questions in threads they post in?
And at no point did you realize that your actions were only going to make things worse?
Patience is a virtue.
I was searching today few hours in forum threads for help. I thought that there is somebody dealing with trust problems. I don't know moderator or a thread where you can add your case for consideration but I found nothing only more questions.
There ain't such authority which deals with trust problems except the person who gave you the negative trust and the one who added that person to the Default Trust.That is why I am here to ask more experienced users what can I do more?
Wait for hilariousandco to respond and see what they have to say.No one controls when they would respond ,from my experience ,bothering them with multiple PM's and off-topic seeking attention doesn't help.Quote
I don't want to argue if Hilariousandco was right or not because this will bring nothing good.
That is what determines if the trust given to you is valid or should hilariousandco revise it based on the community feedback.Personally,I don't think they should. What can I do now? How to get my trust back?
Only hilariousandco can remove it.From few days I keep sending PM's to Hilariousandco but he is not responding. From what I see on the forum this happens sometimes that moderators don't answer PM's about negative trust.
If you bothered me with multiple PMs, I wouldn't respond to you either. I will not send anymore but I was very polite and considerate in my PM's.
I even asked an off-topic question in a thread where Hilariousandco was active (I apologized of course and said that will be deleted), how long is an average wait time for an answer, but he never answered and deleted post immediately.
I was searching today few hours in forum threads for help. I thought that there is somebody dealing with trust problems. I don't know moderator or a thread where you can add your case for consideration but I found nothing only more questions.
That is why I am here to ask more experienced users what can I do more?
Anyways, Thank you for the answer.
What can I do now? How to get my trust back?
Only hilariousandco can remove it.
What can I do now? How to get my trust back?
Only hilariousandco can remove it.From few days I keep sending PM's to Hilariousandco but he is not responding. From what I see on the forum this happens sometimes that moderators don't answer PM's about negative trust.
If you bothered me with multiple PMs, I wouldn't respond to you either.
Hello, fellow Bitcointalkers.
A few days ago I got negative trust. What can I do now?
I got negative trust for "Trading merit with those who leave him points as advertised via his avatar. Also copied content without proper attribution."
I don't want to argue if Hilariousandco was right or not because this will bring nothing good.
I only say that I never traded merits with nobody and this was never my intention. Added an announcement in a post that I missed quotation and from who, just after this happened. Read few next posts after referred one for proof. Avatar was online for few hours. I copied from legendary member Jeremycoin. He was using it until yesterday. No red trust is given to him even after I pointed this out. Added merit policy to my signature and avatar: " meirts only for quality content, no merits in return, spam isn't good".
Anyways I deleted this post and avatar if this violates rules and added merits policy to my signature and personal text.
From few days I keep sending PM's to Hilariousandco but he isn't responding. From what I see on the forum this happens sometimes that moderators don't answer PM's about negative trust.
I feel like a criminal with red trust. I really am. I think nobody will take me seriously. I personally always look to trust after reading a post. I'm using Bitcointalk for almost 5 years with one account and never done anything wrong.
What can I do now? How to get my trust back?
A few days ago I got negative trust. What can I do now?
I got negative trust for "Trading merit with those who leave him points as advertised via his avatar. Also copied content without proper attribution."
I don't want to argue if Hilariousandco was right or not because this will bring nothing good.
I only say that I never traded merits with nobody and this was never my intention. Added an announcement in a post that I missed quotation and from who, just after this happened. Read few next posts after referred one for proof. Avatar was online for few hours. I copied from legendary member Jeremycoin. He was using it until yesterday. No red trust is given to him even after I pointed this out. Added merit policy to my signature and avatar: " meirts only for quality content, no merits in return, spam isn't good".
Anyways I deleted this post and avatar if this violates rules and added merits policy to my signature and personal text.
From few days I keep sending PM's to Hilariousandco but he isn't responding. From what I see on the forum this happens sometimes that moderators don't answer PM's about negative trust.
I feel like a criminal with red trust. I really am. I think nobody will take me seriously. I personally always look to trust after reading a post. I'm using Bitcointalk for almost 5 years with one account and never done anything wrong.
What can I do now? How to get my trust back?
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