Topic: How vaccines cause autism. (Read 4032 times)

DO YOU BLINDLY BELIEVE WHAT THE US GOVERNMENT SAYS?   Really?  Why would someone purchase a domain and hosting for this?

  WMDs in Iraq,  Lost IRS hard drives and backups.  Benghazi, was a video protest, not weapons for Al qaeda.  PND Pharma advertisements, with negative side effects, up to and including death($Millions today=tomorrows lawsuit).  A few Highlights.  The known list is filling books as you read this.

Lies pour from the US govt, and big pharma, as from an upended bucket, incapable of holding an ounce of truth.  Their credibility, long ago, sacrificed for kickbacks, profits, and/or political agendas.  While the media reads us the govt. scripted lies, to keep the sheep moving in the desired directions.  It is long passed the point, that any words they utter, are assumed paid for at some level.

Whether I agree with the point, your credibility, and supposed target audience are instantly lost on the first post.  If someone goes to this much effort tricking people, to shove a GIANT F-BOMB in everyone's face?  Two of the possibilities, it's being paid for, or he's just a committed, trolling cheerleader, whipping up the like minded choir.  The writer's goal was definitely not, winning over the hearts and minds.  This seems like an odd place, and lot of effort and money just tell a certain group FU.

What does drugs or autism have to do with anything crypto? (curecoin excluded)  And why did it need the time and expense of a whole domain and website?  Couldn't the GIANT F-BOMB, have been typed in the first or second post of this, BITCOIN forum?  Is Bluefirecorp a (pharmcorp shill?) or possibly distributing malware by fooling people to click with a socially sensitive subject?  If you clicked this tricky tricksters link?  Now might be one of those good times to scan your PC, and check your Bitcorns!  I sure am.

This way off topic Bitcoin Forum, and linked website, appear to be just an elaborate troll.  Created to merely insult, and degrade, people that don't march lockstep with creator's, government issued, Big Pharma, Jack Boots. sieg heil, mein freund sieg heil


DISCLAIMER: My family will continue to have all of their vaccinations, until real evidence comes out. 

Bullshit revisionist history. It was well known that Wakefield's study was deeply flawed many years ago, yet McCarthy was spouting dangerous bullshit
as recently as 2010! I don't care what her hair colour is, or her breast size. I do care that she has caused the death of many chldren, as well as blindness, deafness and brain damage.

Here are a few quotes it took me all of two minutes to find:

“Yes, a wave of 12 children with measles in San Diego is a troubling thing. But, there are more than 20,000 children in San Diego with autism! 20,000 vs. 12?”
Huffington Post, April 28, 2010

“Us moms aren’t treating autism, we are treating a vaccine injury. And when you treat the vaccine injury, the autism goes away, minimizes or disappears.”
Fox News,  September 9, 2008

“Almost all kids get — injected toxins — very early in life, and our own government clearly acknowledges vaccines cause brain damage in certain vulnerable kids.”
Via Huffington Post, March 9, 2010
           
“What number does it have to be for everyone to start listening to what the mothers of children who have autism have been saying for years, which is … We vaccinated our baby and SOMETHING happened. SOMETHING happened. Why won’t anyone believe us?”
Excerpt from McCarthy’s “Mother Warriors” / Via Oprah.com

That's how it is for me, at least. I don't know anyone else on the spectrum, though.

Not necessarily. There's a whole spectrum of function.

Hilter was pretty clever. He wrote a book ya know. He did fail art school, but that's another story completely.

what are you talking about?

she was smarter than Einstein, *and* Hitler

Being autistic really gives you a lot of time to think about everything without getting bored.

Most flu vaccines still contain mercury... here is a list, just scroll down to thimerosal:

http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/components-Excipients.htm

Example:
https://www.gsksource.com/gskprm/htdocs/documents/FLULAVAL.PDF

Vaccines are just another Big pHarma product, amazing how some people blindly trust these guys...

It's the only industry that has a special court to pay out for vaccine injuries, cant sue these companies for damage
they are immune.  No other industry has this, not even Big Oil.   
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_court

The vaccine schedule in the US in nuts, when I was growing up, there were only about 10 or so vaccines before the age of 12, now it's ballooned to around 50-60! 
 

She's mis-quoted a lot.

She was never "anti-vaccine" but wants improvements in them.

And some of the things she has said are very logical.

e.g. she said that given a choice of Measles or Autism she'd take Measles anyday.

She's blasted for that, but think about it -

There is no cure for autism. The vast majority of people who get the Measles however get better.

I have an autistic brother and an autistic cousin. There are many types of autism, it's kind of a catch-all for several disorders that have some similar traits.

It's suspected I'm aspie but I've never officially been diagnosed, aspie may not be so bad - but what my brother has, he'll never be a functioning member of society. Most people get the Measles are.

Jenny McCarthy wants safer vaccines, she wants parents to have the option of giving them one at a time to see if there are reactions rather than all at once as is common now, etc.

Yes, she did link autism to vaccines but at the time, there was a peer reviewed paper backing that up. Even then she didn't want them abolished, she wanted them made safer.

But she's blonde and has money so she's a target that many people love to hate without looking at what she actually said in the context she said it.

It's called confirmation bias. You want her to be a nutcase so you can hate upon her, so all you care about is sound-bites whether or not there is context with them. And that is less intelligent than a blonde with boobs, that's willful ignorance.

What are you talking about...??

Yeah.
Great boobs dosent always mean great mind

Jenny McCarthy from MTV fame is who it was in case anyone was wondering.

I've got autism. I wouldn't want to have it cured. Enjoy me being more intelligent than you bitches!

It's not an easy dumb-ass indicator.

There was a peer reviewed scientific paper that made the claim.

The paper turned out to be a fraud, but it got past peer review before it was discovered the data was fraudulent.

They believe there is a link because a scientist lied to them. That's not being a dumbass.

btw it wasn't Jenna Jameson - so you don't know your facts and can't look them up?

Dumbass.

vaccines cause autism bc the poor child is like "why are you injecting me with something"

and it affects their emotional palate, because they start beliving pills and injections are the cure for curing the sick (the people giving the shots, not the people themselves)

The single party that started this rumor allegedly planned to release a new measles (i think) vaccine that magically doesn't cause autism according to them.

People

However, mercury itself does not cause autism, although it may cause minimata syndrome. How do you explain this?

In many country there is still mercury...

There is no mercury in vaccines nowadays.

I always believe that the mercury in the vaccines is what causes autism..

http://social.eyeforpharma.com/market-access/indian-court-shows-concern-over-clinical-trial-practices

Yes, they will cheat. They're driven by greed. Not by a desire to cure the world. I trust them as much as a 0 post newbie asking for a loan without collateral.

Heavy regulation makes me trust vaccinations enough, but I'm sure sooner or later there will be a goof up. Either intentional or accidental.

Not sure if this has been posted already or not:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3ARhMPVu-A

I saw this video long ago when I was interested (too much) in all the sick things going on in this world.

Keep spreading the word!

Well are you sure big pharma will try to "cheat"? Aren't they the ones being sued if their vaccines cause harmful side effects?

Humans make mistakes and vaccins. Sometimes both at the same time. While there are many checks, something like that could happen anytime in the future. It has been proven before that big pharma will try to "cheat" clinical trials to reduce their cost and maximize their profit...

While I agree it is less likely today, since (I assume) no government will rush a poorly tested vaccination like back then.

Yeah, I apologize. You are correct on that. "The strain itself killed one person and hospitalized 13.[citation needed] However, side-effects from the vaccine are thought to have caused five hundred cases of Guillain–Barré syndrome and 25 deaths.[3]". Do you think vaccines are still that bad though? I think all the improvements in technology would have not caused 25 deaths from vaccines today.

I've been hearing about that for years. None of it is true..

It doesn't take much googling to find sources about that incident.

• http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/swine-flu-vaccine-fearmongering/
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_swine_flu_outbreak

Could you at least cite something man? I have a hard time believing those numbers.

In the 1976 in the USA was epidemic of swine flu. ONE person died because of that. After this incident government ordered vaccinate for people. From the side effect of this vaccine 30 people died and 500 got ill for Guillain - Barre syndrome. Now tell me that vaccine is always good.

LOL I let out the same sigh and prepared for a long night of eradicating stupidity... till I read your post and then read the op link.

I was about to sigh when I read the title of this thread. Good post OP. I like that website lol.

TLDR, but in France, there is some problems (autism, Parkinson, Alzheimer...) with vaccines because of some mercury or alumin­ium used to do vaccines.
We're the country of Louis Pasteur, renowned for his discoveries of the principles of vaccination, but even here we realize vaccines aren't made in the better way wit the better components...

Sure a vaccine can save lives and eradicate disease  and are very useful for this, however

What else can they do?


The programs in Africa and elsewhere are masked as philanthropy and providing health services for poor Africans. In reality they involve involuntary population sterilization via vaccination and other medicines that make women of child-bearing age infertile. …

http://foodfreedomgroup.com/2012/10/10/is-the-cdcs-mandated-vaccine-schedule-a-health-disguised-compulsory-sterilization-program-by-william-davies/


The picture becomes clearer when we learn that our Rockefeller-friend John D. the Third back in the 1950's also began advocating that all vaccines should have added Mercury. That served a tripple purpose: Mercury works as a preservative. It can help the chemical industry get rid of a highly toxic waste product (just like Fluoride in toothpaste did). And, most important, the Mercury is absorbed in our body, is not automatically excreted and has various toxic effects.

http://rense.com/general79/vaxcc.htm


Microsoft founder Bill Gates told a recent TED conference, an organization which is sponsored by one of the largest toxic waste polluters on the planet, that vaccines need to be used to reduce world population figures in order to solve global warming and lower CO2 emissions.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/bill-gates-use-vaccines-to-lower-population.html


"Using WHO-recommended technologies like Gas Chromatography (GC) and Radio-Immuno assay, Dr. Kaita, upon analysis, found evidence of serious contamination. "Some of the things we discovered in the vaccines are harmful, toxic; some have direct effects on the human reproductive system,"

http://www.axiomatica.org/revealing-the-matrix/eugenicsdepopulation/1037-vaccines-as-depopulation-tools


 Recombinant birth control vaccine
United States Patent 5733553

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5733553.html


edit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB0FOjzvjiA

There's a vaccine against autism?

This is scam, vaccines saved milions of lifes

I dont get the vaccines for autism.

I did click it. However there have been some anti-vaxxers posting in here and I reckoned I might as well link to the consequences of their choice.
It was not aimed at you in particular

I wish everyone just clicked the link. It'd make this thread a lot better. 

Well done, anti-vaxxers:

http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/measles-outbreak-traced-back-single-unvaccinated-child 

Try Social Darwinism. I agree with Lethn if the larger part of a societ group decide to do something that will significantly disrupt that group, then it may fail.

Side note, Lethn: They're not neo-cons, just hippy liberals with an anti-authoritarian streak and lacking the gun obsession that many other liberals have

Where's the part where anyone said, "Die, fool!"? You don't have children so when you die you won't be passing on your own interesting brand of anti-vax nonsense. No one wants you to die, but that tragedy *will* have a silver lining. That's all!

You seem to have very poor debating skills

Right. They are so far beyond better than nothing at all that the people who ignore the evidence likely have some legitimate mental issues that they should look in to.

wait what? How does that prove Darwinian evolution?

Do you even have the slightest idea about scientific evidence? I guess not.

They are the best we got and they are far better than none at all

The ones used today either have side effects so minor they're not worth concern or the chance of a major side effect is so low that it's not even worth considering, so why not use our current vaccines?

If there would be zero side effects and it is proved believable, of course, why not.

Because the children who don't get their vaccines can bring back diseases that were virtually eradicated and not every child is old enough to have the full course of standard vaccines yet.

What if there was a vaccine that was 100% proven to cause zero side effects, not even one in a million chance of mild symptoms. Would you take that/give if to your children or are you just being obtuse for the sake of it?

I have no problem with you wanting to go and die because of being anti-vaccine, just like I have no problem with intolerant assholes who want to be anti-gay all by themselves, that's their choice, what I do object to is how you scream so much about it and try to force this kind of bullshit on everyone else and convince them it's the truth.

Okay, take your drugs and let me die without them.
Everybody is happy this way

you halfwit, vaccines ARE the treatment, this is why so many in the world think Americans are stupid and I'm from the UK where we have this:



This is as stupid as when there are populations that get wiped out by aids etc. because they're so religious they refuse to wear a fucking condom, on a fairly ironic note though, they're proving Darwin's theory of evolution by doing this, since when did these forums get infested by so many neo-cons?

If they give their children vaccines, what does it matter to them do I give it to my children?
Don't their kids already have immunity so my kids aren't going to infect them.

Most of those diseases can be treated, and most of death caused by them happens at developing countries, why don't we just make hospitals into them? (Oh, yeah, it is too expensive and they don't have money to pay for treatments)

If it seems harsh at least consider it from the point of view of someone who has children who are potentially in danger of losing their lives because of people like you who ignore scientific evidence and decide to make up their own minds based upon their own feelings.

Not that I'm saying I think you should die. But anti-vaxers impose a legitimate threat upon the lives of children everywhere and thus it's not surprising that people can make an argument that they shouldn't be allowed to continue to put others in danger.

I don't like vaccines, so I should die? Seems legit.
You guys have very strong argumentation skills 

Whatever.  You can't argue with stubborn.  I have diabetics who tell me that they feel better when their blood sugar is at 400 as opposed to 100 so they don't take the metformin which I prescribe 3 times.

My wife saw a case of measles here in Southern California 3 months ago - yeah not a good sign.  I see TB every month here - and it was pretty much gone 3 decades ago.

Do some homework and look at the sources.

I'm not convinced either way, to be honest.

Some people simply should not breed.

Ah, PTL. At least your branch of idiocy will end with you.

OK.

Maybe you will end up getting a Darwin Award!

Is this a real thing? And i thought you could trust today's medic system  . I hate doctors so much , they told vaccines were good for you. I'll never take vaccines again, and i'm gonna tell all my friends and family to not get vaccines!!!!

I believe they don't cause autism. It's actually sad how many people believe that . There is NO actual scientific facts that prove that vaccines cause autism.

Vaccines do cause autism, Jenny McCarthy said so.

I mean, who can dispute these facts: http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Anti-Vaccine_Body_Count/Home.html

 

Those serious side effects are allergic reactions and occur in less than 1% of vaccinations.

Would your rather eradicate horrific, fatal diseases? Or worry about an adverse effect that occurs one in a million.

The argument against big drug companies and pushing drugs for profit is irrelevant in relation vaccines. In certain pharmaceutical markets, yes, but not vaccines. A drug company may give a doctor incentives to push a certain drug but that doesn't relate to MMR, tetanus, hep, hpv shots or anything else your baby would get when born.

I haven't took paracetamol in more than three years and if I even ever have took antibiotics, I was so young I can't remember it anymore (under 7 or so).

The vaccine you guys are referring to is called "Pandemrix", it has been discontinued by GSK.

Most vaccines have side effects, some more serious than others. You just have to balance the benefits and the probability/gravity of the side effects yourself. I would give my children vaccines for serious illnesses and never for flu.

If people are so worried about vaccine side effects, what about antibiotics or common paracetamol? They have side effects too, where do you draw the line?

Yeah, I agree that if there were any evidence of serious side effects that the offending vaccines would be taken out of use. I'm just saying that the known side effects are not harmful enough to cause doctors to want to discontinue their use. What I was trying to say is that if they are being used in medicine that means that the evidence is there that they don't cause serious harm. But like any medicine, may have some undesirable side effects.

Those doctors who want to help, haven't made those vaccines.
Big drug companies make them and they wan't money.
And this is for other drugs too, not just vaccines. Have you read those side effect warnings in them?

Well that's where I disagree, if there were definitive proof that these vaccines did serious harm to children then by all means I'd be fighting it as well, but really this is just a case of paranoid delusion, if it really were the case that vaccines caused this many problems then doctors would be up in arms, because you know, there are people who choose to become doctors to help people, that's why you can trust them more than say a politician.

If a vaccine is used in modern medicine then whatever side effects are there outweigh the dangers of not being vaccinated. Children die because of people like you. You should seriously consider what your willing to do in the name of 'fighting the system'.

I'm sure vaccines make more good than bad, that's why we take them , i might be wrong, but if we didn't get vaccines for major diseases, than most of the living people would not be living anymore. If you want to risk, go ahead, keep beeing without vaccines.

Why I am wrong?
H1N1 vaccine caused narcolepsy, even doctors admitted it.
And I'm sure other vaccines will have other side effects too, they sell them for money.

You're wrong and are going to cause people to die.


Dude, that's like a whole $7 a year! What a total waste of money man!

What is it, like $7 dollars or something to register a domain and a buck a month to host it?

Who the fuck spends that much on a domain name just to troll people? LOL .... Oh wait, that's exactly the sort of thing I'd do if I had the money.

Maybe it's a correlation thing. Most kids with Autism Spectrum Disorder are diagnosed at around the same time that they're getting a lot of vaccines. I would just say, be aware of actually what goes into vaccines because it isn't just a weakened version of the virus. For instance, you may wish to look at this list of some common ingredients of vaccines: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/vaccine-decision/ingredients.html Which is basically, if your kid is allergic to eggs or might have a bad reaction to formaldehyde or the preservative, you might want to ask your doctor what kind of alternatives there are.

Don't engage someone who refers to vaccines as poison. You aren't going to win.

I don't have kids. I wouldn't give them shots if I would have.

You're crazy. You can't actually be serious can you?

I assume you were immunized as a child. But are you saying that if you had kids(do you?) you wouldn't get them their shots?

Can you fuckers go on an island and fuck yourselves over instead of everyone else. 

I think they do cause autism.
And even if they don't, they are poison anyway, so I'm not going to take them.

Funny.

The first couple of times I clicked the link, it wouldn't work.

Nice catch!

Comedy gold.

I'll admit I was just as obstinate reading this. Why should I click the damn link if I already know the answer?



I'll use it myself.

This is actually hilarious,

that guy prefers writing a whole book about his point without even taking the time to click one link

Everything in medicine has risks and benefits.  You do a screening colonoscopy and you can perforate a colon and die.  You get a vaccine and can go into anaphylaxis and die.  You get prepped for getting your blood drawn and even before a needle pokes you the phlebotomist's latex gloves give you anaphylaxis and kill you.

If there was a some concrete evidence showing causation I would be worried.

The people who don't take it are selfish pigs enjoying the benefits of herd immunity.  I say we spray them all with measles salve.

If you'd click the link you'd see that. There, saved you a click.

I love people who think there is any association between vaccines and autism. Easy dumbass indicator. Although i feel badly that their offspring were born to such a retard. Coincidence that incidences of measles, mumps, and rubella have gone up ten fold since senior expert and local porn star Jenna Jameson stated that vaccines gaves her kid autism? she spouts her vile and uneducated opinion all over The View. The sad part is people listen.

Along the lines of people who deny evolution. No hope for them.

Yep. It's actually just as well-founded as yours. Click the damned link.

Click the link rather than just assuming things, eh?

I know a lot of people in my country's health system and a talked with a few about the anti-vax movement and they never heard of such a thing, I believe that phenomenon is only relevant in USA and UK, but it will probably spread through the Internet.

There seems to be a slight split of opinions on vaccinations. Here's a link that everyone should visit to learn all about the topic:

http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/